History YMMV / DragonAge

29th Sep '17 8:20:19 PM Give1Take2
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** Also the Dalish. Some respect their dedication to preserving their religion and culture, their refusal to bow to humans that would [[EnslavedElves convert and subjugate them like their city elf brethren]], and their commitment to [[FightingForAHomeland holding out for a homeland]]. Others see them as an overly haughty, elitist, CulturalPosturing WhiteDwarfStarlet race that cling too much to past glory, [[FantasticRacism are overly hostile and distrusting to all non-Dalish]] ([[BoomerangBigot including fellow elves]]), and feel they are largely responsible for their own plight since they continually alienate anyone that might help them.

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** Also the The Dalish. Some respect their dedication to preserving their religion and culture, their refusal to bow to humans that would [[EnslavedElves convert and subjugate them like their city elf brethren]], and their commitment to [[FightingForAHomeland holding out for a homeland]]. Others see them as an overly haughty, elitist, CulturalPosturing WhiteDwarfStarlet race that cling too much to past glory, [[FantasticRacism are overly hostile and distrusting to all non-Dalish]] ([[BoomerangBigot including fellow elves]]), and feel they are largely responsible for their own plight since they continually alienate anyone that might help them.



** Dalish haters also tend to paint them as '''all''' ''violently'' haughty, elitist, racist, genocidal elven supremacists who want to wipe out or enslave all humans ([[BoomerangBigot and city elves for being]] {{Race Traitor}}s) to spread the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Dalish Master Race]], even though the games have made it clear that most Dalish want just ''one'' nation of their own where they can live in peace away from humans, which is not unreasonable considering how [[EnslavedElves elves are treated in human nations]]. This also ignores how the level of friendliness to and acceptance of outsiders varies from clan to clan and individual to individual, just like people of every other Thedas nation or culture.

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** Dalish haters also tend to paint them all as '''all''' ''violently'' haughty, elitist, racist, genocidal elven elitist Dalish supremacists who want to wipe out or enslave all humans ([[BoomerangBigot [[BoomerangBigot and city elves for being]] {{Race Traitor}}s) to spread the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Dalish Master Race]], Traitor}}s, even though the games have made it clear shown many times that most ''most'' Dalish just want just ''one'' nation of their own where they can live in peace away from humans, which is not unreasonable considering how [[EnslavedElves elves are treated in human nations]]. This also ignores how most Dalish Clans shown don't even think twice about helping city elves in need[[note]]Keeper Marethari's Clan takes in both Pol the escaped city elf criminal in [=DAO=] and potentially Feynriel the half-elf apostate in [=DA2=]. Keeper Zathrien's Clan took in Layana the city elven mage and made her their First some time before [=DAO=]. Velanna's Clan actually kicked her out for being too hostile to humans and city elves in [=DAA=]. Keeper Hawen's Clan can send a Dalish ambassador to foster good relations with humans in [=DAI=], and Clan Lavellan, provided their quest chain is completed and they aren't killed off, willingly risk their own lives in a hostile human city to protect city elves that would have been scapegoated and purged for a human noble plot.[[/note]] Also, that the level of friendliness to and acceptance of outsiders varies from clan to clan and individual to individual, just like people of every other Thedas nation or and culture.
19th Sep '17 3:58:28 PM SorPepita
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* WoobieSpecies: After the elves had their homeland invaded, were enslaved, freed, had their homeland invaded again, and now are either second class citizens or living in the forest, with uneasy relations with humans, it's hard not to pity the elves. Though their descendants certainly suffer greatly, it's heavily implied that the attacks on the Dales weren't unprovoked. The Inquisitor discovers some letters from those involved in the Attack on Red Crossing, which sparked the war against the Dales: [[spoiler:It was a tragic case of PoorCommunicationKills, fueled by years of growing hostility and distrust from both sides.]] Whether or not one feels the war was justified, most Thedas humans now consider the conflict just another footnote in their long history, while the ''entire elven race'' (outside [[EnslavedElves Tevinter]]) is ''still'' being punished for it ''over 700 years later''.

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* WoobieSpecies: After the elves had their homeland invaded, were enslaved, freed, had their homeland invaded again, and now are either second class citizens or living in the forest, with uneasy relations with humans, it's hard not to pity the elves.them. Though their descendants certainly suffer greatly, it's heavily implied that the attacks on the Dales weren't unprovoked. The Inquisitor discovers some letters from those involved in the Attack attack on Red Crossing, which sparked the war against the Dales: [[spoiler:It was a tragic case of PoorCommunicationKills, fueled by years of growing hostility and distrust from both sides.]] Whether or not one feels the war was justified, most Thedas humans now consider the conflict just another footnote in their long history, while the ''entire elven race'' (outside [[EnslavedElves Tevinter]]) is ''still'' being punished for it ''over 700 years later''.
19th Sep '17 3:55:29 PM SorPepita
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* LGBTFanbase: One of the most beloved video game series among the LGBT community thanks to having a wide variety of LGBT characters with different characteristics while generally avoiding [[BuryYourGays typical]] [[{{Gayngst}} gay]] [[NoBisexuals tropes]]. The fact that [[EveryoneIsBi all the love interests are bisexuals]] (barring a DLC party member) in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' have been applauded by the bisexual community as well as having gay, straight, and bisexual love interests in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''.

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* LGBTFanbase: One of the most beloved video game series among the LGBT community thanks to having a wide variety of LGBT characters with different characteristics while generally avoiding [[BuryYourGays typical]] [[{{Gayngst}} gay]] [[NoBisexuals tropes]]. The fact that [[EveryoneIsBi all the love interests are bisexuals]] (barring a DLC party member) in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' have has been applauded by the bisexual community as well as having gay, straight, and bisexual love interests in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''.
19th Sep '17 3:54:22 PM SorPepita
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* FandomRivalry: With fans of Creator/CDProjektRED's VideoGame/TheWitcher adaptations over the protagonist choice, tone, and sexual content mostly. This was mostly in early in 2011, both ''Dragon Age 2'' and ''The Witcher 2'' coming out in the same period, though it has flared up occasionally between ''Dragon Age: Inquisition'' and ''The Witcher 3''.

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* FandomRivalry: With fans of Creator/CDProjektRED's VideoGame/TheWitcher adaptations over the protagonist choice, tone, and sexual content mostly. This was mostly in early in 2011, both ''Dragon Age 2'' and ''The Witcher 2'' coming out in the same period, though it has flared up occasionally between ''Dragon Age: Inquisition'' and ''The Witcher 3''.
17th Sep '17 11:48:10 AM SorPepita
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* MisaimedFandom: It's not uncommon to hear complaints in the fandom over [[OutOfFocus the reduced importance of the Grey Wardens]] in the sequels. This typically comes from those who hold [[FirstInstallmentWins the first game in the highest regard]] and feel that the Wardens should remain the focus of the series. They tend to ignore the fact that even going back to the first game, their only purpose is to fight the Darkspawn and the Blight, and as the franchise grew beyond this initial plot and Wardens were appropriately phased to the background.

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* MisaimedFandom: It's not uncommon to hear complaints in the fandom over [[OutOfFocus the reduced importance of the Grey Wardens]] in the sequels. This typically comes from those who hold [[FirstInstallmentWins the first game in the highest regard]] and feel that the Wardens should remain the focus of the series. They tend to ignore the fact that even going back to the first game, their only purpose is to fight the Darkspawn and the Blight, and as the franchise grew beyond this initial plot and Wardens were appropriately phased to the background.



* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations has left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]].

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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations has have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]].
18th Feb '17 8:02:21 PM RomanBowler
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* LGBTFanbase: One of the most beloved video game series among the LGBT community thanks to having a wide variety of LGBT characters with different characteristics while generally avoiding [[BuryYourGays typical]] [[Gaynst gay]] [[NoBisexuals tropes]]. The fact that [[EveryoneIsBi all the love interests are bisexuals]] (barring a DLC party member) in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' have been applauded by the bisexual community as well as having gay, straight, and bisexual love interests in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''.

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* LGBTFanbase: One of the most beloved video game series among the LGBT community thanks to having a wide variety of LGBT characters with different characteristics while generally avoiding [[BuryYourGays typical]] [[Gaynst [[{{Gayngst}} gay]] [[NoBisexuals tropes]]. The fact that [[EveryoneIsBi all the love interests are bisexuals]] (barring a DLC party member) in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' have been applauded by the bisexual community as well as having gay, straight, and bisexual love interests in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''.
18th Feb '17 8:00:17 PM RomanBowler
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LGBTFanbase: One of the most beloved video game series among the LGBT community thanks to having a wide variety of LGBT characters with different characteristics while generally avoiding [[BuryYourGays typical]] [[Gaynst gay]] [[NoBisexuals tropes]]. The fact that [[EveryoneIsBi all the love interests are bisexuals]] (barring a DLC party member) in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' have been applauded by the bisexual community as well as having gay, straight, and bisexual love interests in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''.

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* LGBTFanbase: One of the most beloved video game series among the LGBT community thanks to having a wide variety of LGBT characters with different characteristics while generally avoiding [[BuryYourGays typical]] [[Gaynst gay]] [[NoBisexuals tropes]]. The fact that [[EveryoneIsBi all the love interests are bisexuals]] (barring a DLC party member) in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' have been applauded by the bisexual community as well as having gay, straight, and bisexual love interests in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''.
18th Feb '17 7:59:41 PM RomanBowler
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LGBTFanbase: One of the most beloved video game series among the LGBT community thanks to having a wide variety of LGBT characters with different characteristics while generally avoiding [[BuryYourGays typical]] [[Gaynst gay]] [[NoBisexuals tropes]]. The fact that [[EveryoneIsBi all the love interests are bisexuals]] (barring a DLC party member) in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' have been applauded by the bisexual community as well as having gay, straight, and bisexual love interests in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''.
30th Dec '16 2:45:06 PM Give1Take2
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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations has left many fans feeling that the implications are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]].

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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations has left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]].
30th Dec '16 1:45:07 PM Give1Take2
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** Dalish haters also tend to paint them as ''all violently'' haughty, elitist, racist, genocidal elven supremacists who want to wipe out or enslave all humans ([[BoomerangBigot and city elves for being]] {{Race Traitor}}s) to spread the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Dalish Master Race]], even though the games have made it clear that most Dalish want just ''one'' nation of their own where they can live in peace away from humans, which is not unreasonable considering how [[EnslavedElves elves are treated in human nations]]. This also ignores how the level of friendliness to and acceptance of outsiders varies from clan to clan and individual to individual, just like people of every other Thedas nation or culture.

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** Dalish haters also tend to paint them as ''all violently'' '''all''' ''violently'' haughty, elitist, racist, genocidal elven supremacists who want to wipe out or enslave all humans ([[BoomerangBigot and city elves for being]] {{Race Traitor}}s) to spread the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Dalish Master Race]], even though the games have made it clear that most Dalish want just ''one'' nation of their own where they can live in peace away from humans, which is not unreasonable considering how [[EnslavedElves elves are treated in human nations]]. This also ignores how the level of friendliness to and acceptance of outsiders varies from clan to clan and individual to individual, just like people of every other Thedas nation or culture.


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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations has left many fans feeling that the implications are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]].
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