History YMMV / DragonAge

28th Apr '16 7:34:28 PM Give1Take2
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** Dalish haters also tend to paint them as ''all violently'' haughty, elitist, racist, genocidal elven supremacists who want to wipe out or enslave all humans ([[BoomerangBigot and city elves for being]] {{Race Traitor}}s) to spread the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Dalish Master Race]], even though the games have made it clear that most Dalish want just ''one'' nation of their own where they can live in peace away from humans, which is not unreasonable considering how [[EnslavedElves elves are treated in human nations]]. This also ignores how the level of friendliness to and acceptance of outsiders varies from clan to clan and individual to individual, just like people of every other Thedas nation or culture.



* WoobieSpecies: After the elves had their homeland invaded, were enslaved, freed, had their homeland invaded again, and now are either second class citizens or living in the forest, with uneasy relations with humans, it's hard not to pity the elves. Though their descendants certainly suffer greatly, it's heavily implied that the attacks on the Dales weren't unprovoked. The Inquisitor discovers some letters from those involved in the Attack on Red Crossing, which sparked the war against the Dales: [[spoiler:It was a tragic case of PoorCommunicationKills, fueled by years of growing hostility and distrust from both sides.]] Whether or not one feels the war was justified, most Thedas humans now consider the conflict another footnote in their history books, while the ''entire elven race'' (outside [[EnslavedElves Tevinter]]) is ''still'' being punished for it ''over 700 years later''.

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* WoobieSpecies: After the elves had their homeland invaded, were enslaved, freed, had their homeland invaded again, and now are either second class citizens or living in the forest, with uneasy relations with humans, it's hard not to pity the elves. Though their descendants certainly suffer greatly, it's heavily implied that the attacks on the Dales weren't unprovoked. The Inquisitor discovers some letters from those involved in the Attack on Red Crossing, which sparked the war against the Dales: [[spoiler:It was a tragic case of PoorCommunicationKills, fueled by years of growing hostility and distrust from both sides.]] Whether or not one feels the war was justified, most Thedas humans now consider the conflict just another footnote in their history books, long history, while the ''entire elven race'' (outside [[EnslavedElves Tevinter]]) is ''still'' being punished for it ''over 700 years later''.
22nd Apr '16 8:46:00 AM VeryMelon
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* ScrewYouElves: While Thedas elves are a largely enslaved and persecuted minority, many elven fans feel the portrayal of [[RacialRemnant the Dalish]] has gotten less sympathetic with each new installment. [[note]]VideoGame/{{Dragon Age Origins}}' Dalish Clan is wary and snippy of outsiders, but can become much more friendly to a Warden who takes time to help them. The Dalish in ''The Stolen Throne'' seem more savage and hostile to Maric and Loghain. Fenris from VideoGames/DragonAge2 gets quite a few ScrewYouElves in, and Merrill's Clan (also the Dalish Warden's Clan) is ret-conned into being [[AllTheOtherReindeer unreasonably]] ([[TooDumbToLive and suicidally]]) hostile to her. Briala from ''The Masked Empire'' comes across the ''cruelest'' Dalish clan to date; openly racist, xenophobic, and indifferent to the plight of city elves. (They also get a ''gruesome'' FamilyUnfriendlyDeath, [[HarmfulToMinors down to the last child]], which [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic the narrative]] [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality tries to pass off]] as "[[UnintentionallySympathetic they brought upon themselves]].") Finally, VideoGames/{{Dragon Age Inquisition}}'s Sera and Solas (the two only elven companions) are both BoomerangBigots, many elven side characters are critical of elven culture, and every discovery on elven history and lore seems to be just to [[{{Anvilicious}} hammer home]] how foolish and wrong modern elves (city and Dalish) are about [[IgnorantOfTheirOwnIgnorance their own history and culture]].[[/note]]
22nd Apr '16 8:40:33 AM VeryMelon
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** The Templars. They 're either [[KnightTemplar fanatics]] [[ChurchMilitant who]] mercilessly hunt down innocent mages or [[KnightInShiningArmor protectors]] of mages and non-mages alike. The conflict between the two factions plays a major role in the second and third games in the series.
13th Feb '16 4:21:12 PM MeiwakunaBoku
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* FandomBerserkButton: Drawing or using Mods to make a darker skinned character have lighter skin will without a doubt enrage many fans.
16th Jan '16 3:33:46 PM Forenperser
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* RonTheDeathEater: Many Mage supporters tend to paint the Chantry, and particularly the Templar Order, as the ultimate source of evil in Thedas. While it is outdated in some aspects and quite a few members like Sister Petrice or Ser Alrik ''are'' a bunch of horrible people, there are many decent people among them too and the conflict is much more [[GreyAndGrayMorality complex]] than just ''evil fanatics trying to oppress the innocent minority''.
15th Oct '15 4:28:33 PM Kimarous
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* FandomRivalry: With fans of Creator/CDProjektRED's VideoGame/TheWitcher adaptations over the protagonist choice, tone, and sexual content mostly. This was mostly in early in 2011, when ''Dragon Age 2'' and ''The Witcher 2'' both came out within the same time space of Early 2011.

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* FandomRivalry: With fans of Creator/CDProjektRED's VideoGame/TheWitcher adaptations over the protagonist choice, tone, and sexual content mostly. This was mostly in early in 2011, when both ''Dragon Age 2'' and ''The Witcher 2'' both came coming out within in the same time space of Early 2011.period, though it has flared up occasionally between ''Dragon Age: Inquisition'' and ''The Witcher 3''.
29th Sep '15 10:31:46 AM VeryMelon
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* CreatorsPet: Some have accused BioWare of giving Elf Player Characters prefrential status, especially in ''Inquisition;'' they commonly have unique racial dialogue, Solas and Sera's romances tie in a lot to the PC's race (In fact, Solas can only be romanced by a female Elf), and the game has numerous options to acomodate for Elf players. Compare and contrast to the Dwarven PCs, who get next to no extra dialogue for their race, and little to no mention of it in the story.
23rd Sep '15 8:41:56 AM GoneRampant
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* CreatorsPet: Some have accused BioWare of giving Elf Player Characters prefrential status, especially in ''Inquisition;'' they commonly have unique racial dialogue, Solas and Sera's romances tie in a lot to the PC's race (In fact, Solas can only be romanced by a female Elf), and the game has numerous options to acomodate for Elf players. Compare and contrast to the Dwarven PCs, who get next to no extra dialogue for their race, and little to no mention of it in the story.
12th Sep '15 10:29:16 AM gunslingerofgilead
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** The Qunari as a whole. Are they the OnlySaneMan species of Dragon Age, a complex, flawed society that, [[GreyAndGrayMorality like most things in]] ''Dragon Age'', can't be defined as right or wrong, or pretentious, self-righteous murderers who deserve to all die? ''Inquisition'' has fanned the flames of this as new insight from Iron Bull downplays several of the negatives.[[note]]You don't get to choose your job, but the actual duties of that job are likely no different than it is for anyone in the same line of work in a different society, offering the chance for downtime. You don't know your blood relations, but you still have friends who're as close to you as a family. There are strict gender roles that keep men and women in their [[StayInTheKitchen respective kitchens]], but you can be declared [[{{Transgender}} Aqun-Athlok]] and allowed to assume a role opposite of your biological gender. You don't have sex for love, but it turns out that they do practice a form of sacred prostitution; free, no attachment sex whenever you want it with whatever gender you prefer in the sack, no more stigmatized than seeing a doctor, and it can get... kinky.[[/note]] Now that they've been cast as the primary villains of the ''Trespasser'' DLC for ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'', the debate is likely to reach its breaking point.

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** The Qunari as a whole. Are they the OnlySaneMan species of Dragon Age, a complex, flawed society that, [[GreyAndGrayMorality like most things in]] ''Dragon Age'', can't be defined as right or wrong, or pretentious, self-righteous murderers who deserve to all die? ''Inquisition'' has fanned the flames of this as new insight from Iron Bull downplays several of the negatives.[[note]]You don't get to choose your job, but the actual duties of that job are likely no different than it is for anyone in the same line of work in a different society, offering the chance for downtime. You don't know your blood relations, but you still have friends who're as close to you as a family. There are strict gender roles that keep men and women in their [[StayInTheKitchen respective kitchens]], but you can be declared [[{{Transgender}} Aqun-Athlok]] and allowed to assume a role opposite of your biological gender. You don't have sex for love, but it turns out that they do practice a form of sacred prostitution; free, no attachment sex whenever you want it with whatever gender you prefer in the sack, no more stigmatized than seeing a doctor, and it can get... kinky.[[/note]] Now that they've been cast as the primary villains of the The ''Trespasser'' DLC for ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'', of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'' cast the Qunari as the primary antagonists, and showed them doing some deeply disturbing and downright villainous things, and seems to indicate that Creator/{{BioWare}} intends them to be bad guys. All this has done is escalate the debate is likely to reach its breaking point.about the Qunari from the fandom's perspective, however.
3rd Sep '15 1:23:59 PM Forenperser
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** Same case about the Tevinter Empire. It is THE textbook example on 'Mages gone bad', with slavery, blood magic and power abuse on a regular basis, yet many people who are Pro Mage and Anti Templar uphold this as a ''positive'' example of Mages being able to govern themselves, which is totally backwards.
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