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* CryForTheDevil: The Archdemons. While we don't know much about the Old Gods and what their alignment was, since the Darkspawn are drawn to uncover them and infect them with the Taint, it's possible they're not so much evil as merely BrainwashedAndCrazy. Furthermore it's a telling sign of the physical toll that the corruption takes, when you learn that Urthemiel, the Archdemon of the Fifth Blight, was once known as "The Dragon of ''Beauty''".
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Seems like a weird justifying, natter-y point. So its ok to be autocratic because others are too?


** Of course, one thing Tevinter absolutely ''does'' demonstrate is that it is possible for mages to have a functional society without inevitably falling to demonic possession, and most of the aforementioned slavery and power abuse are the results of [[AristocratsAreEvil an all-powerful aristocratic ruling class]], who have been raised to believe that anyone not belonging to that aristocracy is entirely expendable. [[NotSoDifferent Just like Orlais.]]
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* LGBTFanbase: One of the most beloved video game series among the LGBT community thanks to having a wide variety of LGBT characters with different characteristics while generally avoiding [[BuryYourGays typical]] [[{{Gayngst}} gay]] [[NoBisexuals tropes]]. The fact that [[EveryoneIsBi all the love interests are bisexuals]] (barring a DLC party member) in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' has been applauded by the bisexual community as well as having gay, straight, and bisexual love interests and the series' first transgender character in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''.

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* LGBTFanbase: One of the most beloved video game series among the LGBT community thanks to having a wide variety of LGBT characters with different characteristics while generally avoiding [[BuryYourGays typical]] [[{{Gayngst}} gay]] [[NoBisexuals tropes]]. The fact that [[EveryoneIsBi all the love interests are bisexuals]] [[GenderEqualEnsemble and of equal gender numbers]] (barring a DLC party member) in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' has been applauded by the bisexual community as well as having gay, straight, and bisexual love interests and the series' first transgender character in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''.
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**Of course, one thing Tevinter absolutely ''does'' demonstrate is that it is possible for mages to have a functional society without inevitably falling to demonic possession, and most of the aforementioned slavery and power abuse are the results of [[AristocratsAreEvil an all-powerful aristocratic ruling class]], who have been raised to believe that anyone not belonging to that aristocracy is entirely expendable. [[NotSoDifferent Just like Orlais.]]
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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]]. However, some, on the other hand, point to this as a notable aversion of invoking the NobleSavage trope, mirroring the fact that many real life colonized groups often have had their own internal conflicts (and sometimes committed atrocities themselves), and this does not justify what ended up happening to them.

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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]]. However, some, on the other hand, point to this as a notable aversion of invoking the NobleSavage trope, mirroring the fact that many real life colonized groups often have had their own internal conflicts (and sometimes committed atrocities themselves), and this does not justify what ended up happening to them.
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* DieForOurShip: Bianca Davri got ''a lot'' of this since she is the main reason why Varric is not a romance option as well as the fact that most people think she treats him very poorly and borderline emotionally abusive.

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* DieForOurShip: Bianca Davri got ''a lot'' of this since she is the main reason why the wildly popular Varric is not a romance option for both Hawke and the Inquisitor as well as the fact that most people think she treats him very poorly and borderline emotionally abusive.
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* DieForOurShip: Bianca Davri got ''a lot'' of this since she is the main reason why Varric is not a romance option as well as the fact that most people think she treats him very poorly and borderline emotionally abusive.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]]. However, some, on the other hand, point to this as a notable aversion of invoking the NobleSavage trope, mirroring the fact that many real life colonized groups often have had their own internal conflicts, and this does not justify what ended up happening to them.

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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]]. However, some, on the other hand, point to this as a notable aversion of invoking the NobleSavage trope, mirroring the fact that many real life colonized groups often have had their own internal conflicts, conflicts (and sometimes committed atrocities themselves), and this does not justify what ended up happening to them.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]]. However, on the other hand, point to this as a notable aversion of some of the earlier unfortunate implications of invoking the NobleSavage trope, mirroring the fact that many real life groups had their own conflicts, unrelated to their oppressors.

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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]]. However, some, on the other hand, point to this as a notable aversion of some of the earlier unfortunate implications of invoking the NobleSavage trope, mirroring the fact that many real life colonized groups often have had their own internal conflicts, unrelated and this does not justify what ended up happening to their oppressors.them.
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Source, and once again, the linked articles discuss this.


* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]]. However, on the other hand, point to this as a notable aversion of some of the earlier unfortunate implications of invoking the NobleSavage trope, mirroring the fact that many real life groups had their own conflicts, unrelated to their oppressors. Of course it certainly didn't help when Bioware revealed the entire religion of the elves was a great big lie and implied the humans had (mostly) the right of it.

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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]]. However, on the other hand, point to this as a notable aversion of some of the earlier unfortunate implications of invoking the NobleSavage trope, mirroring the fact that many real life groups had their own conflicts, unrelated to their oppressors. Of course it certainly didn't help when Bioware revealed the entire religion of the elves was a great big lie and implied the humans had (mostly) the right of it.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]]. However, on the other hand, point to this as a notable aversion of some of the earlier unfortunate implications of invoking the NobleSavage trope, mirroring the fact that many real life groups had their own conflicts, unrelated to their oppressors.

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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]]. However, on the other hand, point to this as a notable aversion of some of the earlier unfortunate implications of invoking the NobleSavage trope, mirroring the fact that many real life groups had their own conflicts, unrelated to their oppressors. Of course it certainly didn't help when Bioware revealed the entire religion of the elves was a great big lie and implied the humans had (mostly) the right of it.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]]. On one hand, some might point to this as a notable aversion of some of the earlier unfortunate implications of invoking the NobleSavage trope, mirroring the fact that many real life groups had their own conflicts, unrelated to their oppressors.

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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]]. On one However, on the other hand, some might point to this as a notable aversion of some of the earlier unfortunate implications of invoking the NobleSavage trope, mirroring the fact that many real life groups had their own conflicts, unrelated to their oppressors.
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This just seems like arguing on the page. Furthermore, this set of implications was already addressed in the actual links.


* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]]. On one hand, some might point to this as a notable aversion of some of the earlier unfortunate implications of invoking the NobleSavage trope, mirroring the fact that many real life groups had their own conflicts, unrelated to their oppressors. On the other hand, the narrative (especially ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'') explicitly stating that these conflicts make elves responsible for their own plight (either "equally at fault" like the case of [[spoiler:Red Crossing]], or "brought entirely on themselves" like [[spoiler:the Fall of Elvhenan]]) parallels real-world racist attitudes blaming oppressed groups for their own colonization and/or suppression.

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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]]. On one hand, some might point to this as a notable aversion of some of the earlier unfortunate implications of invoking the NobleSavage trope, mirroring the fact that many real life groups had their own conflicts, unrelated to their oppressors. On the other hand, the narrative (especially ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'') explicitly stating that these conflicts make elves responsible for their own plight (either "equally at fault" like the case of [[spoiler:Red Crossing]], or "brought entirely on themselves" like [[spoiler:the Fall of Elvhenan]]) parallels real-world racist attitudes blaming oppressed groups for their own colonization and/or suppression.
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* FandomRivalry: With fans of Creator/CDProjektRED's VideoGame/TheWitcher adaptations over the protagonist choice, tone, and sexual content mostly. This was mostly in early 2011, both ''Dragon Age 2'' and ''The Witcher 2'' coming out in the same period, though it has flared up occasionally between ''Dragon Age: Inquisition'' and ''The Witcher 3''.
* FriendlyFandoms: Anyone who doesn't fall into the above entry generally gets along with Witcher fans over the differences ''and'' similarities between the franchises. They may even like playing both.

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* FandomRivalry: With fans of Creator/CDProjektRED's VideoGame/TheWitcher adaptations ''VideoGame/TheWitcher'' adaptations, chiefly over the protagonist choice, tone, and sexual content mostly. content. This was mostly in early 2011, with both ''Dragon Age 2'' II'' and ''The Witcher 2'' coming out in the same period, though it has flared up occasionally between ''Dragon Age: Inquisition'' and ''The Witcher 3''.
* FriendlyFandoms: Anyone who doesn't fall into the above entry generally gets along with Witcher ''Witcher'' fans over the differences ''and'' similarities between the franchises. They may even like playing both.



* RonTheDeathEater: Many Mage supporters tend to paint the Chantry, and particularly the Templar Order, as the ultimate source of evil in Thedas. While it is outdated in some aspects and quite a few members like Sister Petrice or Ser Alrik ''are'' a bunch of horrible people, there are many decent people among them too and the conflict is much more [[GreyAndGrayMorality complex]] than just ''evil fanatics trying to oppress the innocent minority''.
** Dalish haters also tend to paint them all as ''violently'' haughty, elitist Dalish supremacists who want to wipe out or enslave all humans [[BoomerangBigot and city elves for being]] {{Race Traitor}}s, even though the games have shown many times that ''most'' Dalish just want ''one'' nation of their own where they can live in peace away from humans, which is not unreasonable considering how [[EnslavedElves elves are treated in human nations]]. This also ignores how most Dalish Clans shown don't even think twice about helping city elves in need[[note]]Keeper Marethari's Clan takes in both Pol the escaped city elf criminal in [=DAO=] and potentially Feynriel the half-elf apostate in [=DA2=]. Keeper Zathrien's Clan took in Layana the city elven mage and made her their First some time before [=DAO=]. Velanna's Clan actually kicked her out for being too hostile to humans and city elves in [=DAA=]. Keeper Hawen's Clan can send a Dalish ambassador to foster good relations with humans in [=DAI=], and Clan Lavellan, provided their quest chain is completed and they aren't killed off, willingly risk their own lives in a hostile human city to protect city elves that would have been scapegoated and purged for a human noble plot.[[/note]] Also, that the level of friendliness to and acceptance of outsiders varies from clan to clan and individual to individual, just like people of every other Thedas nation and culture.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Many Mage supporters tend to paint the Chantry, and particularly the Templar Order, as the ultimate source of evil in Thedas. While it is outdated in some aspects and quite a few members like Sister Petrice or Ser Alrik ''are'' a bunch of horrible people, there are many decent people among them too too, and the conflict is much more [[GreyAndGrayMorality complex]] than just ''evil fanatics trying to oppress the innocent minority''.
** Dalish haters also tend to paint them all as ''violently'' haughty, elitist Dalish supremacists who want to wipe out or enslave all humans [[BoomerangBigot and city elves for being]] {{Race Traitor}}s, even though the games have shown many times that ''most'' Dalish just want ''one'' nation of their own where they can live in peace away from humans, which is not unreasonable considering how [[EnslavedElves elves are treated in human nations]]. This also ignores how most Dalish Clans shown don't even think twice about helping city elves in need[[note]]Keeper Marethari's Clan takes in both Pol the escaped city elf criminal in [=DAO=] and potentially Feynriel the half-elf apostate in [=DA2=]. Keeper Zathrien's Clan took in Layana Lanaya the city elven mage and made her their First some time before [=DAO=]. Velanna's Clan actually kicked her out for being too hostile to humans and city elves in [=DAA=]. Keeper Hawen's Clan can send a Dalish ambassador to foster good relations with humans in [=DAI=], and Clan Lavellan, provided their quest chain is completed and they aren't killed off, willingly risk their own lives in a hostile human city to protect city elves that would have been scapegoated and purged for a human noble plot.[[/note]] Also, that the level of friendliness to and acceptance of outsiders varies from clan to clan and individual to individual, just like people of every other Thedas nation and culture.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]]. On the other hand, some might point to this as a notable aversion of some of the earlier unfortunate implications of invoking the NobleSavage trope, mirroring the fact that many real life groups had their own conflicts, unrelated to their oppressors. On the other hand, the narrative (especially ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'') explicitly stating that these conflicts make elves responsible for their own plight (either "equally at fault" like the case of [[spoiler:Red Crossing]], or "brought entirely on themselves" like [[spoiler:the Fall of Elvhenan]]) parallels real-world racist attitudes blaming oppressed groups for their own colonization and/or suppression.

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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]]. On the other one hand, some might point to this as a notable aversion of some of the earlier unfortunate implications of invoking the NobleSavage trope, mirroring the fact that many real life groups had their own conflicts, unrelated to their oppressors. On the other hand, the narrative (especially ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'') explicitly stating that these conflicts make elves responsible for their own plight (either "equally at fault" like the case of [[spoiler:Red Crossing]], or "brought entirely on themselves" like [[spoiler:the Fall of Elvhenan]]) parallels real-world racist attitudes blaming oppressed groups for their own colonization and/or suppression.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]]. On the other hand, some might point to this as a notable aversion of some of the earlier unfortunate implications of invoking the NobleSavage trope, mirroring the fact that many real life groups had their own conflicts, unrelated to their oppressors.

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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]]. On the other hand, some might point to this as a notable aversion of some of the earlier unfortunate implications of invoking the NobleSavage trope, mirroring the fact that many real life groups had their own conflicts, unrelated to their oppressors. On the other hand, the narrative (especially ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'') explicitly stating that these conflicts make elves responsible for their own plight (either "equally at fault" like the case of [[spoiler:Red Crossing]], or "brought entirely on themselves" like [[spoiler:the Fall of Elvhenan]]) parallels real-world racist attitudes blaming oppressed groups for their own colonization and/or suppression.

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* CompleteMonster: See Monster/DragonAge.
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Cleaning up misuse according to this TRS thread. Fandom Berserk Button is for objective factual errors that annoy fans.


* FandomBerserkButton: Drawing or using Mods to make a darker skinned character have lighter skin will without a doubt enrage many fans.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]].

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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]]. On the other hand, some might point to this as a notable aversion of some of the earlier unfortunate implications of invoking the NobleSavage trope, mirroring the fact that many real life groups had their own conflicts, unrelated to their oppressors.
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* LGBTFanbase: One of the most beloved video game series among the LGBT community thanks to having a wide variety of LGBT characters with different characteristics while generally avoiding [[BuryYourGays typical]] [[{{Gayngst}} gay]] [[NoBisexuals tropes]]. The fact that [[EveryoneIsBi all the love interests are bisexuals]] (barring a DLC party member) in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' has been applauded by the bisexual community as well as having gay, straight, and bisexual love interests in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''.

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* LGBTFanbase: One of the most beloved video game series among the LGBT community thanks to having a wide variety of LGBT characters with different characteristics while generally avoiding [[BuryYourGays typical]] [[{{Gayngst}} gay]] [[NoBisexuals tropes]]. The fact that [[EveryoneIsBi all the love interests are bisexuals]] (barring a DLC party member) in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' has been applauded by the bisexual community as well as having gay, straight, and bisexual love interests and the series' first transgender character in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''.''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''.
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** Also the Dalish. Some respect their dedication to preserving their religion and culture, their refusal to bow to humans that would [[EnslavedElves convert and subjugate them like their city elf brethren]], and their commitment to [[FightingForAHomeland holding out for a homeland]]. Others see them as an overly haughty, elitist, CulturalPosturing WhiteDwarfStarlet race that cling too much to past glory, [[FantasticRacism are overly hostile and distrusting to all non-Dalish]] ([[BoomerangBigot including fellow elves]]), and feel they are largely responsible for their own plight since they continually alienate anyone that might help them.

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** Also the The Dalish. Some respect their dedication to preserving their religion and culture, their refusal to bow to humans that would [[EnslavedElves convert and subjugate them like their city elf brethren]], and their commitment to [[FightingForAHomeland holding out for a homeland]]. Others see them as an overly haughty, elitist, CulturalPosturing WhiteDwarfStarlet race that cling too much to past glory, [[FantasticRacism are overly hostile and distrusting to all non-Dalish]] ([[BoomerangBigot including fellow elves]]), and feel they are largely responsible for their own plight since they continually alienate anyone that might help them.



** Dalish haters also tend to paint them as '''all''' ''violently'' haughty, elitist, racist, genocidal elven supremacists who want to wipe out or enslave all humans ([[BoomerangBigot and city elves for being]] {{Race Traitor}}s) to spread the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Dalish Master Race]], even though the games have made it clear that most Dalish want just ''one'' nation of their own where they can live in peace away from humans, which is not unreasonable considering how [[EnslavedElves elves are treated in human nations]]. This also ignores how the level of friendliness to and acceptance of outsiders varies from clan to clan and individual to individual, just like people of every other Thedas nation or culture.

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** Dalish haters also tend to paint them all as '''all''' ''violently'' haughty, elitist, racist, genocidal elven elitist Dalish supremacists who want to wipe out or enslave all humans ([[BoomerangBigot [[BoomerangBigot and city elves for being]] {{Race Traitor}}s) to spread the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Dalish Master Race]], Traitor}}s, even though the games have made it clear shown many times that most ''most'' Dalish just want just ''one'' nation of their own where they can live in peace away from humans, which is not unreasonable considering how [[EnslavedElves elves are treated in human nations]]. This also ignores how most Dalish Clans shown don't even think twice about helping city elves in need[[note]]Keeper Marethari's Clan takes in both Pol the escaped city elf criminal in [=DAO=] and potentially Feynriel the half-elf apostate in [=DA2=]. Keeper Zathrien's Clan took in Layana the city elven mage and made her their First some time before [=DAO=]. Velanna's Clan actually kicked her out for being too hostile to humans and city elves in [=DAA=]. Keeper Hawen's Clan can send a Dalish ambassador to foster good relations with humans in [=DAI=], and Clan Lavellan, provided their quest chain is completed and they aren't killed off, willingly risk their own lives in a hostile human city to protect city elves that would have been scapegoated and purged for a human noble plot.[[/note]] Also, that the level of friendliness to and acceptance of outsiders varies from clan to clan and individual to individual, just like people of every other Thedas nation or and culture.
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* WoobieSpecies: After the elves had their homeland invaded, were enslaved, freed, had their homeland invaded again, and now are either second class citizens or living in the forest, with uneasy relations with humans, it's hard not to pity the elves. Though their descendants certainly suffer greatly, it's heavily implied that the attacks on the Dales weren't unprovoked. The Inquisitor discovers some letters from those involved in the Attack on Red Crossing, which sparked the war against the Dales: [[spoiler:It was a tragic case of PoorCommunicationKills, fueled by years of growing hostility and distrust from both sides.]] Whether or not one feels the war was justified, most Thedas humans now consider the conflict just another footnote in their long history, while the ''entire elven race'' (outside [[EnslavedElves Tevinter]]) is ''still'' being punished for it ''over 700 years later''.

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* WoobieSpecies: After the elves had their homeland invaded, were enslaved, freed, had their homeland invaded again, and now are either second class citizens or living in the forest, with uneasy relations with humans, it's hard not to pity the elves.them. Though their descendants certainly suffer greatly, it's heavily implied that the attacks on the Dales weren't unprovoked. The Inquisitor discovers some letters from those involved in the Attack attack on Red Crossing, which sparked the war against the Dales: [[spoiler:It was a tragic case of PoorCommunicationKills, fueled by years of growing hostility and distrust from both sides.]] Whether or not one feels the war was justified, most Thedas humans now consider the conflict just another footnote in their long history, while the ''entire elven race'' (outside [[EnslavedElves Tevinter]]) is ''still'' being punished for it ''over 700 years later''.
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* LGBTFanbase: One of the most beloved video game series among the LGBT community thanks to having a wide variety of LGBT characters with different characteristics while generally avoiding [[BuryYourGays typical]] [[{{Gayngst}} gay]] [[NoBisexuals tropes]]. The fact that [[EveryoneIsBi all the love interests are bisexuals]] (barring a DLC party member) in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' have been applauded by the bisexual community as well as having gay, straight, and bisexual love interests in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''.

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* LGBTFanbase: One of the most beloved video game series among the LGBT community thanks to having a wide variety of LGBT characters with different characteristics while generally avoiding [[BuryYourGays typical]] [[{{Gayngst}} gay]] [[NoBisexuals tropes]]. The fact that [[EveryoneIsBi all the love interests are bisexuals]] (barring a DLC party member) in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' have has been applauded by the bisexual community as well as having gay, straight, and bisexual love interests in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''.
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* FandomRivalry: With fans of Creator/CDProjektRED's VideoGame/TheWitcher adaptations over the protagonist choice, tone, and sexual content mostly. This was mostly in early in 2011, both ''Dragon Age 2'' and ''The Witcher 2'' coming out in the same period, though it has flared up occasionally between ''Dragon Age: Inquisition'' and ''The Witcher 3''.

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* FandomRivalry: With fans of Creator/CDProjektRED's VideoGame/TheWitcher adaptations over the protagonist choice, tone, and sexual content mostly. This was mostly in early in 2011, both ''Dragon Age 2'' and ''The Witcher 2'' coming out in the same period, though it has flared up occasionally between ''Dragon Age: Inquisition'' and ''The Witcher 3''.
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* MisaimedFandom: It's not uncommon to hear complaints in the fandom over [[OutOfFocus the reduced importance of the Grey Wardens]] in the sequels. This typically comes from those who hold [[FirstInstallmentWins the first game in the highest regard]] and feel that the Wardens should remain the focus of the series. They tend to ignore the fact that even going back to the first game, their only purpose is to fight the Darkspawn and the Blight, and as the franchise grew beyond this initial plot and Wardens were appropriately phased to the background.

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* MisaimedFandom: It's not uncommon to hear complaints in the fandom over [[OutOfFocus the reduced importance of the Grey Wardens]] in the sequels. This typically comes from those who hold [[FirstInstallmentWins the first game in the highest regard]] and feel that the Wardens should remain the focus of the series. They tend to ignore the fact that even going back to the first game, their only purpose is to fight the Darkspawn and the Blight, and as the franchise grew beyond this initial plot and Wardens were appropriately phased to the background.



* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations has left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]].

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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations has have left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]].
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* LGBTFanbase: One of the most beloved video game series among the LGBT community thanks to having a wide variety of LGBT characters with different characteristics while generally avoiding [[BuryYourGays typical]] [[Gaynst gay]] [[NoBisexuals tropes]]. The fact that [[EveryoneIsBi all the love interests are bisexuals]] (barring a DLC party member) in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' have been applauded by the bisexual community as well as having gay, straight, and bisexual love interests in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''.

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* LGBTFanbase: One of the most beloved video game series among the LGBT community thanks to having a wide variety of LGBT characters with different characteristics while generally avoiding [[BuryYourGays typical]] [[Gaynst [[{{Gayngst}} gay]] [[NoBisexuals tropes]]. The fact that [[EveryoneIsBi all the love interests are bisexuals]] (barring a DLC party member) in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' have been applauded by the bisexual community as well as having gay, straight, and bisexual love interests in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''.
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LGBTFanbase: One of the most beloved video game series among the LGBT community thanks to having a wide variety of LGBT characters with different characteristics while generally avoiding [[BuryYourGays typical]] [[Gaynst gay]] [[NoBisexuals tropes]]. The fact that [[EveryoneIsBi all the love interests are bisexuals]] (barring a DLC party member) in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' have been applauded by the bisexual community as well as having gay, straight, and bisexual love interests in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''.

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* LGBTFanbase: One of the most beloved video game series among the LGBT community thanks to having a wide variety of LGBT characters with different characteristics while generally avoiding [[BuryYourGays typical]] [[Gaynst gay]] [[NoBisexuals tropes]]. The fact that [[EveryoneIsBi all the love interests are bisexuals]] (barring a DLC party member) in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' have been applauded by the bisexual community as well as having gay, straight, and bisexual love interests in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations has left many fans feeling that the implications are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]].

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* UnfortunateImplications: Given that [[WordOfGod Word of Gaider]] [[http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/page/17 has admitted that the elves were inspired by Medieval Jews]], and [[EnslavedElves the elves' history of oppression at the hands of humans]] has some [[{{Applicability}} real-world parallels]] to the history of Native Americans and other oppressed minorities, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'''s rather [[BrokenBase controversial]] revelations about elven history and human/elf relations has left many fans feeling that the implications for the entire franchise are [[http://faerunner.tumblr.com/post/150107961834/biowares-unfortunate-stumble-orientalist rather uncomfortable]], if not [[http://customhawke.tumblr.com/post/125484602754/jewish-elves outright disgusting]].

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