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18th Apr '16 2:15:42 PM AnneOfCleves
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* "Batti, batti" can come off as crass to modern listeners, with how it seems to make light of and even condone domestic violence. These days, it's usually played as though Zerlina is seducing Masetto. Sellars's 1990 modern production went the opposite direction, making it even more serious, as a commentary on how abuse victims often have no choice but to stay with abusers.

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* ** "Batti, batti" can come off as crass to modern listeners, with how it seems to make light of and even condone domestic violence. These days, it's usually played as though Zerlina is seducing Masetto. Sellars's 1990 modern production went the opposite direction, making it even more serious, as a commentary on how abuse victims often have no choice but to stay with abusers.
18th Apr '16 2:15:23 PM AnneOfCleves
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* "Batti, batti" can come off as crass to modern listeners, with how it seems to make light of and even condone domestic violence. These days, it's usually played as though Zerlina is seducing Masetto. Sellars's 1990 modern production went the opposite direction, making it even more serious, as a commentary on how abuse victims often have no choice but to stay with abusers.



** Mozart and Da Ponte's more moralistic intentions for the opera (as in the subtitle, ''Il dissolute punito'' - ''The Rake Punished'') were this for 19th-centry critics, hence the [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation Alternate Character Interpretations]]. These days, it's reversed: those interpretations come off as misogynistic and ComicallyMissingThePoint about Donna Anna, while the original intentions fit more with contemporary feminist understandings of the time period and what Giovanni's actions would due to these women.

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** Mozart and Da Ponte's more moralistic intentions for the opera (as in the subtitle, ''Il dissolute punito'' - ''The Rake Punished'') were this for 19th-centry critics, hence the [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation Alternate Character Interpretations]]. These days, it's reversed: those interpretations come off as misogynistic and ComicallyMissingThePoint CompletelyMissingThePoint about Donna Anna, while the original intentions fit more with contemporary feminist understandings of the time period and what Giovanni's actions would due to these women.
18th Apr '16 2:11:46 PM AnneOfCleves
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* ValuesDissonance: These days, Donna Elvira's one wild night of passion with Giovanni wouldn't ruin her chances at marriage. Generally speaking it is difficult for a modern audience to understand just how horrible Don Giovanni's behaviour is. In his time a "ruined" woman would be a social outcast with much difficulty in marrying or finding another way to support herself (and the possible child, as there is nothing that suggests Don Giovanni uses contraception). He is ruining these women's lives to satisfy his own lusts.

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These days, Donna Elvira's one wild night of passion with Giovanni wouldn't ruin her chances at marriage. Generally speaking it is difficult for a modern audience to understand just how horrible Don Giovanni's behaviour is. In his time a "ruined" woman would be a social outcast with much difficulty in marrying or finding another way to support herself (and the possible child, as there is nothing that suggests Don Giovanni uses contraception). He is ruining these women's lives to satisfy his own lusts.lusts.
** Mozart and Da Ponte's more moralistic intentions for the opera (as in the subtitle, ''Il dissolute punito'' - ''The Rake Punished'') were this for 19th-centry critics, hence the [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation Alternate Character Interpretations]]. These days, it's reversed: those interpretations come off as misogynistic and ComicallyMissingThePoint about Donna Anna, while the original intentions fit more with contemporary feminist understandings of the time period and what Giovanni's actions would due to these women.
18th Apr '16 2:08:33 PM AnneOfCleves
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* ValuesDissonance: These days, Elvira's one wild night of passion with Giovanni wouldn't ruin her chances at marriage. Generally speaking it is difficult for a modern audience to understand just how horrible Don Giovanni's behaviour is. In his time a "ruined" woman would be a social outcast with much difficulty in marrying or finding another way to support herself (and the possible child, there is nothing that suggests Don Giovanni uses contraception). He is ruining these women's lives.

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* ValuesDissonance: These days, Donna Elvira's one wild night of passion with Giovanni wouldn't ruin her chances at marriage. Generally speaking it is difficult for a modern audience to understand just how horrible Don Giovanni's behaviour is. In his time a "ruined" woman would be a social outcast with much difficulty in marrying or finding another way to support herself (and the possible child, as there is nothing that suggests Don Giovanni uses contraception). He is ruining these women's lives.lives to satisfy his own lusts.
18th Apr '16 2:06:43 PM AnneOfCleves
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* HilariousInHindsight: To those with more contemporary inclinations: if you just picture the titular character as [[WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}} Zapp Brannigan]], the play becomes much easier to swallow.

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* HilariousInHindsight: To those with more contemporary inclinations: if you just picture the titular character as [[WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}} Zapp Brannigan]], the play becomes much easier to swallow.funnier.
18th Apr '16 2:05:45 PM AnneOfCleves
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*** Peter Sellars took this one step further by adding pedophilic subtext in his infamous 1990 modern adaptation.

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*** Peter Sellars took this one step further by adding pedophilic ''pedophilic'' subtext in his infamous 1990 modern adaptation.
18th Apr '16 2:05:32 PM AnneOfCleves
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*** Peter Sellars took this one step further by adding pedophilic subtext in his infamous 1990 modern adaptation.
18th Apr '16 2:04:06 PM AnneOfCleves
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** The idea that Donna Anna is in love with Don Giovanni and was willingly seduced by him has been standard for so long that simply ''believing that she was raped/almost raped'' comes across as AlternateCharacterInterpretation.

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** The idea that Donna Anna is in love with Don Giovanni and was willingly seduced by him has been standard popular for so long that simply ''believing that she was raped/almost raped'' comes across as AlternateCharacterInterpretation.AlternateCharacterInterpretation (despite being closer to what we know of WordOfGod).
14th Aug '15 6:03:45 AM Sensemaker
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* ValuesDissonance: These days, Elvira's one wild night of passion with Giovanni wouldn't ruin her chances at marriage.

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* ValuesDissonance: These days, Elvira's one wild night of passion with Giovanni wouldn't ruin her chances at marriage. Generally speaking it is difficult for a modern audience to understand just how horrible Don Giovanni's behaviour is. In his time a "ruined" woman would be a social outcast with much difficulty in marrying or finding another way to support herself (and the possible child, there is nothing that suggests Don Giovanni uses contraception). He is ruining these women's lives.
24th Feb '15 11:13:10 PM tyrekecorrea
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* HilariousInHindsight: To those with more contemporary inclinations: if you just picture the titular character as [[WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}} Zapp Brannigan]], the play becomes much easier to swallow.
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