History YMMV / Daredevil

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* CompleteMonster :ComicBook/{{Daredevil}} has fought several abhorrent monsters, but a few have gone the extra mile.

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* CompleteMonster :ComicBook/{{Daredevil}} CompleteMonster: ComicBook/{{Daredevil}} has fought several abhorrent monsters, but a few have gone the extra mile.



* DorkAge: The title has arguably suffered through a few of these, but the tail end of the Silver Age is particularly hard to defend. The creators lost track of the original intent to make Daredevil DarkerAndEdgier than Spider-Man. Matt was the biggest quipster in the Marvel Universe behind Spidey, and the charmingly cute irreverence of a teenager felt grossly inappropriate coming from a grown man. The weakness of his rogue's gallery and the recurrence of absurd plots (like Matt's impersonation of his swingin' hep cat brother Mike to conceal his secret identity) also made it difficult to respect the book.

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* DorkAge: The title has arguably suffered through a few of these, but the tail end of the Silver Age is particularly hard to defend. The creators lost track of the original intent to make Daredevil DarkerAndEdgier than Spider-Man. Matt was the biggest quipster in the Marvel Universe behind Spidey, and the charmingly cute charmingly-cute irreverence of a teenager felt grossly inappropriate coming from a grown man. The weakness of his rogue's gallery and the recurrence of absurd plots (like Matt's impersonation of his swingin' hep cat brother Mike to conceal his secret identity) also made it difficult to respect the book.



* GrowingTheBeard: Under Creator/FrankMiller. After several years of authors trying to capture the spark Miller had, Brian Michael Bendis is seen as being behind the beard re-growing. Time will tell if Soule's run marks a third regrowth.

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* GrowingTheBeard: Under Creator/FrankMiller. After several years of authors trying to capture the spark Miller had, Brian Michael Bendis Creator/BrianMichaelBendis is seen as being behind the beard re-growing. Time will tell if Soule's run marks a third regrowth.



* JerkassWoobie: Kingpin, DependingOnTheWriter.
** Also Stilt Man who's such a ButtMonkey it's impossible to not pity him.

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* JerkassWoobie: JerkassWoobie:
** The
Kingpin, DependingOnTheWriter.
** Also Stilt Man Man, who's such a ButtMonkey it's impossible to not pity him.



** Typhoid is a manipulative, psychotic, and bloodthirsty on par with Wolverine. However, her other personalities only emerged as a coping mechanism for her horrible upbringing; and as a way to protect herself from the seemingly endless abuse. Furthermore, she cannot control the actions of her Typhoid, or Blood Mary, personas; and is often forced to take responsibility for them. More than a few times "Mary" has reemerged to find herself cover in blood, or forcibly institutionalized.
* MagnificentBastard: Under Mark Waid's pen, Matt himself slowly became one. For starters, he beats five of the most feared organizations in the Marvel Universe to get the Omegadrive, a device that has the location and names of everyone involved in the aforementioned organizations, providing enough evidence to take them down ''completely'', warning them that if any of them come after him or his family he'll take the info to SHIELD and wipe them off the face of the world. Neither can go after him without either facing this threat or making themselves a target to the other organization, their only solution is to work together, something none of them are capable of doing. When Black Spectre breaks rank and goes after it, he acts on his threat, utterly destroying them.

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** Typhoid is a manipulative, psychotic, and bloodthirsty on par with Wolverine. However, her other personalities only emerged as a coping mechanism for her horrible upbringing; and as a way to protect herself from the seemingly endless abuse. Furthermore, she cannot control the actions of her Typhoid, or Blood Mary, personas; and is often forced to take responsibility for them. More than a few times "Mary" has reemerged to find herself cover in blood, or forcibly institutionalized.
* MagnificentBastard: MagnificentBastard:
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Under Mark Waid's pen, Matt himself slowly became one. For starters, he beats five of the most feared organizations in the Marvel Universe to get the Omegadrive, a device that has the location and names of everyone involved in the aforementioned organizations, providing enough evidence to take them down ''completely'', warning them that if any of them come after him or his family he'll take the info to SHIELD and wipe them off the face of the world. Neither can go after him without either facing this threat or making themselves a target to the other organization, their only solution is to work together, something none of them are capable of doing. When Black Spectre breaks rank and goes after it, he acts on his threat, utterly destroying them.



* MemeticMutation: Matt's crappy life. It is very well known among the comicbook community that Matt has the crappiest life ever. '''Ever'''.

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* MemeticMutation: MemeticMutation:
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Matt's crappy life. It is very well known well-known among the comicbook comic book community that Matt has the crappiest life ever. '''Ever'''.



* NightmareFuel: Believe it or not, the Spot, as rendered in the first issue of Waid's run by Paolo Rivera. When you see him the way Matt does, you see a creature with chunks bitten out of him.

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* NightmareFuel: NightmareFuel:
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Believe it or not, the Spot, as rendered in the first issue of Waid's run by Paolo Rivera. When you see him the way Matt does, you see a creature with chunks bitten out of him.



* TheWoobie: Matt's crappy life is memetic among comic fans. His mother abandoned him, his father was murdered by the mob, his life is a complete mess from his superheroics, he's had his identity exposed and his life destroyed by the Kingpin, the women he's loved always meet a brutal end if they don't betray him first, and if he ever does find happiness, it will almost certainly be taken away in the most vicious manner possible very quickly.

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* TheWoobie: TheWoobie:
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Matt's crappy life is memetic among comic fans. His mother abandoned him, his father was murdered by the mob, his life is a complete mess from his superheroics, he's had his identity exposed and his life destroyed by the Kingpin, the women he's loved always meet a brutal end if they don't betray him first, and if he ever does find happiness, it will almost certainly be taken away in the most vicious manner possible very quickly.



* CompleteMonster: [[ProfessionalKiller Bullseye]], like his comic book counterpart, is a swaggering PsychoForHire who prides himself on his unerring aim and his total lack of regard for human life. [[TheDragon Retained]] by [[BigBad Wilson "The Kingpin" Fisk]] as a troubleshooter, Bullseye is a mess of [[HairTriggerTemper barely contained violence]], who regularly murders in his off time. Over the course of the film he [[DisproportionateRetribution kills a man for insulting him]] in a bar, chokes an elderly woman to death for talking too much on a plane, murders another man in order to steal his motorcycle, and stabs one of Fisk's guards to death [[ImprobableWeaponUser with pencils]] after deciding he'd rather not go through security. That's in addition to killing Nikolas and Elektra Natchios (and two of their bodyguards) on Fisk's orders, and trying to hunt down an already wounded Daredevil for the heinous crime of making him miss. An arrogant braggart who loves showing off against weaker opponents, and who is reduced to a sniveling wreck when beaten, Bullseye is completely void of redeeming qualities.

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* CompleteMonster: [[ProfessionalKiller Bullseye]], like his comic book counterpart, is a swaggering PsychoForHire who prides himself on his unerring aim and his total lack of regard for human life. [[TheDragon Retained]] by [[BigBad Wilson "The Kingpin" Fisk]] as a troubleshooter, Bullseye is a mess of [[HairTriggerTemper barely contained violence]], who regularly murders in his off time. Over the course of the film he [[DisproportionateRetribution kills a man for insulting him]] in a bar, chokes an elderly woman to death for talking too much on a plane, murders another man in order to steal his motorcycle, and stabs one of Fisk's guards to death [[ImprobableWeaponUser with pencils]] after deciding he'd rather not go through security. That's in addition to killing Nikolas and Elektra Natchios (and two of their bodyguards) on Fisk's orders, and trying to hunt down an already wounded Daredevil for the heinous crime of making him miss. An arrogant braggart who loves showing off against weaker opponents, and who is reduced to a sniveling wreck when beaten, Bullseye is completely void devoid of redeeming qualities.



* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Fittingly for a film about a superhero with enhanced hearing, the music is hugely prominent in the film. The soundtrack is also arguably one of the best collections of NuMetal ever assembled.

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Fittingly for a film about a superhero with enhanced hearing, the music is hugely prominent in the film. The soundtrack is also arguably one of the best collections of NuMetal ever assembled.assembled:



* HarsherInHindsight: For years, a popular argument from the film's defenders was that knowing Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner met while making the film makes the romance between Matt and Elektra quite sweet to watch. Their nasty breakup means the movie doesn't even have that going for it anymore.



** [[{{FunnyAneurysmMoment}} They're divorcing now]], following multiple allegations of Affleck's cheating, gambling and other assorted problems.

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** [[{{FunnyAneurysmMoment}} HarsherInHindsight: They're divorcing now]], now, following multiple allegations of Affleck's cheating, gambling and other assorted problems.



** The psychopathic and cartoonish criminal that Matt faces down in the film's first act is named [[{{JoeQuesada}} Jose Quesada]]. At the time of the film's release, it was merely one of several {{ShoutOut}}s that referenced the names of creators who'd worked on Daredevil's comic book, but in hindsight, after the ''massive'' fan revolt against ''Editor'' Joe Quesada's ill-received "Civil War" and "Spider-Man: One More Day" storylines, many of the fans who who were left unamused by Quesada's antics tend to find this sequence hilarious. (The fact that Daredevil hunts him down definitely works as a Moment of Awesome for them as well).

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** The psychopathic and cartoonish criminal that Matt faces down in the film's first act is named [[{{JoeQuesada}} [[Creator/JoeQuesada Jose Quesada]]. At the time of the film's release, it was merely one of several {{ShoutOut}}s that referenced the names of creators who'd worked on Daredevil's comic book, but in hindsight, after the ''massive'' fan revolt against ''Editor'' Joe Quesada's ill-received "Civil War" "ComicBook/CivilWar" and "Spider-Man: One More Day" "ComicBook/OneMoreDay" storylines, many of the fans who who were left unamused by Quesada's antics tend to find this sequence hilarious. (The The fact that Daredevil hunts him down definitely works as a Moment of Awesome SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome for them as well).well.



** The film has often been mentioned on ''ThisVeryWiki'' as being similar to and a pioneer for Nolan's Batman films. (Look on this page under ''SeinfeldIsUnfunny''.) Given their adherence to a sense of realism about vigilantism. Maybe Zack Snyder is a troper.
** Creator/JonFavreau acting in a movie based from a Marvel Comic, years before he would go on to direct two ''Film/IronMan'' films and play Harold "Happy" Hogan in them.
** Early on, Bullseye jokingly states [[NotWearingTights ''I want a bloody costume.'']] Characters not visually resembling their comic book counterparts would become a prevalent complaint through Marvel's later films.

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** The film has often been mentioned on ''ThisVeryWiki'' as being similar to and a pioneer for Nolan's [[Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy Batman films.films]]. (Look on this page under ''SeinfeldIsUnfunny''.) Given their adherence to a sense of realism about vigilantism. Maybe vigilantism, maybe Zack Snyder is a troper.
** Creator/JonFavreau acting in a movie based from on a Marvel Comic, comic, years before he would go on to direct two ''Film/IronMan'' films and play Harold "Happy" Hogan in them.
the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse.
** Early on, Bullseye jokingly states [[NotWearingTights ''I "I want a bloody costume.'']] "]] Characters not visually resembling their comic book counterparts would become a prevalent complaint through Marvel's throughout later Marvel films.



* MoralEventHorizon
** Murdering Matt's father was already low, framing his former friend and having him killed made it worse, but the Kingpin crosses when he admits to Matt he had Bullseye kill Elektra simply because of his rule to kill off an entire family, or has he puts it "in the wrong family in the wrong time".
** Bullseye. Killing off an old lady and murdering Elektra's father, framing Daredevil in the process, was bad enough, but he crosses it further when he kills Elektra, all the while [[CurbStompBattle taking her down with few hits received]], mocking her by [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty hitting on her during the fight]] and [[ForcefulKiss kissing her]] [[TakeThatKiss to add insult to injury]] while gutting her. (Latter in Director's Cut.)
* {{Narm}}: A big complaint is that the acrobatics are hard to take seriously, thanks to the obvious special effects, the most cited being Daredevil somehow leaping off the top of a skyscraper, falling several floors, and landing on a window cleaner's platform... Somehow not breaking his legs in the process.

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* MoralEventHorizon
MoralEventHorizon:
** Murdering Matt's father was already low, and framing his former friend and having him killed made it worse, but the Kingpin crosses when he admits to Matt he had Bullseye kill Elektra simply because of his rule to kill off an entire family, or has as he puts it it: "in the wrong family in the wrong time".
** Bullseye. Killing Bullseye killing off an old lady and murdering Elektra's father, framing Daredevil in the process, was bad enough, but he crosses it further when he kills Elektra, all the while [[CurbStompBattle taking her down with few hits received]], mocking her by [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty hitting on her during the fight]] and [[ForcefulKiss kissing her]] [[TakeThatKiss to add insult to injury]] while gutting her. (Latter her (the latter is in Director's Cut.the DirectorsCut.)
* {{Narm}}: {{Narm}}:
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A big complaint is that the acrobatics are hard to take seriously, thanks to the obvious special effects, the most cited being Daredevil somehow leaping off the top of a skyscraper, falling several floors, and landing on a window cleaner's platform... Somehow somehow not breaking his legs in the process.



** The ''[[Music/{{Evanescence}} Bring Me To Life]]'' scene can be this to modern viewers due to the songs notorious use in ''numerous'' [[FanVid FanVids]] over the years since the movie came out.

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** The ''[[Music/{{Evanescence}} "[[Music/{{Evanescence}} Bring Me To Life]]'' Life]]" scene can be this to modern viewers due to the songs notorious use in ''numerous'' [[FanVid FanVids]] {{FanVid}}s over the years since the movie came out.



** [[Creator/JonFavreau Foggy Nelson]] may eventually be slowly and safely forgotten that he was in this film as he will more remembered as [[Film/IronMan Happy Hogan]].
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Whatever the film's faults, it does do something rare for a comic book film in that, unlike Spider-Man and the X-Men, it can make you forget you're watching a comic book adaption. Some scenes feel like they're from a different film (in the best possible sense). It's only when Bullseye shows up it starts to slip (it's not easy to make a realistic film involving a man who can go on killing sprees with paper clips and peanuts). Since other films, most notably [[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga Christopher Nolan's Batman films]] and the eventual ''Series/{{Daredevil 2015}}'' Netflix series, have done this more successfully, Daredevil is unlikely to get credit for trying it first.

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** [[Creator/JonFavreau Foggy Nelson]] may eventually be slowly and safely forgotten that he was in this film as he will more remembered as [[Film/IronMan [[Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse Happy Hogan]].
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Whatever the film's faults, it does do something rare for a comic book film in that, unlike the Spider-Man and the X-Men, X-Men films, it can make you forget you're watching a comic book adaption.adaptation. Some scenes feel like they're from a different film (in the best possible sense). It's only when Bullseye shows up that it starts to slip (it's not easy to make a realistic film involving a man who can go on killing sprees with paper clips and peanuts). Since other films, most notably [[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga [[Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy Christopher Nolan's Batman films]] and the eventual ''Series/{{Daredevil 2015}}'' ''Series/Daredevil2015'' Netflix series, have done this more successfully, Daredevil is unlikely to get credit for trying it first.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: [[spoiler:Elektra thinking Daredevil killed her father could have been stretched out longer. She could've gone to Fisk to get his help, working for him in the process along with working with Bullseye, the man who killed her father. Instead, it's resolved within 10 minutes and gets killed]].

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: [[spoiler:Elektra thinking Daredevil killed her father could have been stretched out for longer. She could've gone to Fisk to get his help, working for him in the process along with working with Bullseye, the man who killed her father. Instead, it's resolved within 10 minutes and she gets killed]].



* VindicatedByHistory: Many fans and critics left cold by the theatrical cut were far more receptive to the Directors Cut which reinstated a lot of the classic elements of the comics (Matt's Catholic faith and his legal skills). It is now considered a decent film, and the 2008 Blu Ray release conspicuously lacks the theatrical cut of the film, with the director's cut in its place - and notably, nowhere on the case is it stated that it's the director's cut of the film.
* WTHCastingAgency: All-American Jennifer Garner as a Greek? Indian-American Erick Avari as her father? Hm? At least Micheal Clarke Duncan as the Kingpin makes sense: even if he's black, he's ''huge'' and [[ScaryBlackMan intimidating]], and that's what's important.

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* VindicatedByHistory: Many fans and critics left cold by the theatrical cut were far more receptive to the Directors Cut DirectorsCut which reinstated a lot of the classic elements of the comics (Matt's Catholic faith and his legal skills). It is now considered a decent film, and the 2008 Blu Ray Blu-Ray release conspicuously lacks the theatrical cut of the film, with the director's cut in its place - -- and notably, nowhere on the case is it stated that it's the director's cut of the film.
* WTHCastingAgency: WTHCastingAgency:
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All-American Jennifer Garner as a Greek? Indian-American Erick Avari as her father? Hm? Huh? At least Micheal Clarke Duncan as the Kingpin makes sense: even if he's black, he's ''huge'' and [[ScaryBlackMan intimidating]], and that's what's important.
30th Dec '16 8:24:24 PM Migaman55
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* CriticalDissonance: Waid's run was well received critically, but was met with a more mixed reception commercially, this showed as the run at times struggled to maintain higher sales than runs before him such as Bendis and was rarely on the Top 50.
30th Dec '16 8:22:33 PM Migaman55
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* Complete Monster :ComicBook/{{Daredevil}} has fought several abhorrent monsters, but a few have gone the extra mile.

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* Complete Monster CompleteMonster :ComicBook/{{Daredevil}} has fought several abhorrent monsters, but a few have gone the extra mile.



** The "dating Matt" joke, which states that any woman who dates Matt not called Black Widow or Typboid will meet a horrible fate.

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** The "dating Matt" joke, which states that any woman who dates Matt not called Black Widow or Typboid Typhoid will meet a horrible fate.
30th Dec '16 8:15:40 PM Migaman55
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* Complete Monster ComicBook/{{Daredevil}} has fought several abhorrent monsters, but a few have gone the extra mile.

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\n* Complete ** Not to mention fans of Mark Waid's run may go down as the LighterAndSofter run of the series were disappointed to see a return to a DarkerAndEdgier tone, uprooting a relatively stable life for Matt in exchange for more tragedy and brooding
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30th Dec '16 8:12:39 PM Migaman55
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** Mark Waid's run may go down as the most controversial ''Daredevil'' run since Ann Nocenti- while it was well received critically and seen as a breath of fresh air for Matt, many longtime Daredevil fans ''loathed'' the changes Waid made- in particular Matt's more snarky, flippant attitude that suited the Flash more than Daredevil, Matt becoming a BoringInvincibleHero who was never really challenged throughout most of his run, the absolutely joke that was the Serpent Society, Matt's complete disregard for his secret identity, the Foggy subplot, and, most contentiously of all, ''the pimp suit'' Matt wore as a costume for much of the run after ditching his usual gear.
* CompleteMonster: ComicBook/{{Daredevil}} has fought several abhorrent monsters, but a few have gone the extra mile.

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** Mark Waid's run may go down as the most controversial ''Daredevil'' run since Ann Nocenti- while it was well received critically and seen as a breath of fresh air for Matt, many longtime Daredevil fans ''loathed'' the changes Waid made- in particular Matt's more snarky, flippant attitude that suited the Flash more than Daredevil, Matt becoming a BoringInvincibleHero who was never really challenged throughout most of his run, the absolutely joke that was the Serpent Society, Matt's complete disregard for his secret identity, the Foggy subplot, and, most contentiously of all, ''the pimp suit'' Matt wore as a costume for much of the run after ditching his usual gear.

* CompleteMonster: Complete Monster ComicBook/{{Daredevil}} has fought several abhorrent monsters, but a few have gone the extra mile.
23rd Dec '16 1:01:23 AM Rynnec
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** The ''[[Music/{{Evanescence}} Bring Me To Life]]'' scene can be this to modern viewers due to the songs notorious use in ''numerous'' [[FanVid FanVids]] over the years since the movie came out.
10th Dec '16 1:48:38 PM Bleepbot
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** Not to mention fans of the LighterAndSofter run of the series were disappointed to see a return to a DarkerAndEdgier tone, uprooting a relatively stable life for Matt in exchange for more tragedy and brooding.

** The addition of a sidekick for Daredevil was initially a controversial decision, but Blindspot has proven to be a surprisingly popular character.

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** Not to mention fans of Mark Waid's run may go down as the LighterAndSofter run of the series were disappointed to see a return to a DarkerAndEdgier tone, uprooting a relatively stable life for Matt in exchange for more tragedy and brooding.

** The addition of a sidekick for Daredevil was initially a
most controversial decision, but Blindspot has proven to be ''Daredevil'' run since Ann Nocenti- while it was well received critically and seen as a surprisingly popular character.breath of fresh air for Matt, many longtime Daredevil fans ''loathed'' the changes Waid made- in particular Matt's more snarky, flippant attitude that suited the Flash more than Daredevil, Matt becoming a BoringInvincibleHero who was never really challenged throughout most of his run, the absolutely joke that was the Serpent Society, Matt's complete disregard for his secret identity, the Foggy subplot, and, most contentiously of all, ''the pimp suit'' Matt wore as a costume for much of the run after ditching his usual gear.




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* CriticalDissonance: Waid's run was well received critically, but was met with a more mixed reception commercially, this showed as the run at times struggled to maintain higher sales than runs before him such as Bendis and was rarely on the Top 50.



** The "dating Matt" joke, which states that any woman who dates Matt not called Black Widow will meet a horrible fate.
* MyRealDaddy: Creator/FrankMiller more or less rebuilt Daredevil from the ground up, introducing most of the elements that readers associate with the character. Acclaimed runs like Creator/BrianMichaelBendis', Creator/EdBrubaker's all build on the foundation that Miller laid, rather than Creator/StanLee's original version.

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** The "dating Matt" joke, which states that any woman who dates Matt not called Black Widow or Typboid will meet a horrible fate.
* MyRealDaddy: Creator/FrankMiller more or less rebuilt Daredevil from the ground up, introducing most of the elements that readers associate with the character. Acclaimed runs like Creator/BrianMichaelBendis', Creator/BrianMichaelBendis' and Creator/EdBrubaker's all build on the foundation that Miller laid, rather than Creator/StanLee's original version.
22nd Sep '16 6:38:29 PM Migaman55
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* CriticalDissonance: Waid's run was well received critically, but was met with a more mixed reception commercially, this showed as the run at times struggled to maintain higher sales than runs before him such as Bendis and was rarely on the Top 50.

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* CriticalDissonance: Waid's run was well received critically, but was met with a more mixed reception commercially, this showed as the run at times struggled to maintain higher sales than runs before him such as Bendis and was rarely on the Top 50.
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** Not to mention fans of the LighterAndSofter run of the series were disappointed to see a return to a DarkerAndEdgier tone, uprooting a relatively stable life for Matt in exchange for more tragedy and brooding. However, many other fans detested the lighter attitude and relished the chance to see Matt return to his noir roots.

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** Not to mention fans of the LighterAndSofter run of the series were disappointed to see a return to a DarkerAndEdgier tone, uprooting a relatively stable life for Matt in exchange for more tragedy and brooding. However, many other fans detested the lighter attitude and relished the chance to see Matt return to his noir roots.



* MyRealDaddy: Creator/FrankMiller more or less rebuilt Daredevil from the ground up, introducing most of the elements that readers associate with the character. Acclaimed runs like Creator/BrianMichaelBendis' and Creator/EdBrubaker's all build on the foundation that Miller laid, rather than Creator/StanLee's original version.

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* MyRealDaddy: Creator/FrankMiller more or less rebuilt Daredevil from the ground up, introducing most of the elements that readers associate with the character. Acclaimed runs like Creator/BrianMichaelBendis' and Creator/EdBrubaker's Creator/BrianMichaelBendis', Creator/EdBrubaker's all build on the foundation that Miller laid, rather than Creator/StanLee's original version.
22nd Sep '16 12:33:48 PM Migaman55
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** Mark Waid's run may go down as the most controversial ''Daredevil'' run since Ann Nocenti- while it was well received critically and seen as a breath of fresh air for Matt, many longtime Daredevil fans ''loathed'' the changes Waid made- in particular Matt's more snarky, flippant attitude that suited the Flash more than Daredevil, Matt becoming a BoringInvincibleHero who was never really challenged throughout most of his run, the absolutely joke that was the Serpent Society, Matt's complete disregard for his secret identity, the Foggy subplot, and, most contentiously of all, ''the pimp suit'' Matt wore as a costume for much of the run after ditching his usual gear.
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