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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: A large number of viewers interpret Wonka as autistic or otherwise neurodivergent. His life-defining passion for candy-making is often read as a special interest, his various idiosyncratic movements and gestures (e.g. skipping and twirling while he walks) are interpreted as stims, his rapid, long-winded speeches are interpreted as infodumping, and his image as an oddball is widely noted as paralleling how neurotypical people often view autistic folks. His portrayal in the 2005 film ramps this up, with his fidgeting, his difficulties socializing (to the point where he needs cue cards to carry conversations), his childish image, and his preference for heavy clothing also being cited as relatable to autistic viewers. His conflict with his father in the film is also noted as paralleling how many autistic people are abused by their parents, especially when their special interests are seen as undesirable.

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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: A large number of readers and viewers interpret Wonka as autistic or otherwise neurodivergent. His life-defining passion for candy-making is often read as a special interest, his various idiosyncratic movements and gestures (e.g. skipping and twirling while he walks) are interpreted as stims, his rapid, long-winded speeches are interpreted as infodumping, and his image as an oddball is widely noted as paralleling how neurotypical people often view autistic folks. His portrayal in the 2005 film ramps this up, with his fidgeting, his difficulties socializing (to the point where he needs cue cards to carry conversations), his childish image, and his preference for heavy clothing also being cited as relatable to autistic viewers. His conflict with his father in the film is also noted as paralleling how many autistic people are abused by their parents, especially when their special interests are seen as undesirable.

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Looking it up, "Wonka is autistic" is indeed a popular headcanon; placing it here because it carries across the various takes on the character.


** Is Mr. Wonka [[DiagnosedByTheAudience autistic/neurodivergent]]? ([[http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-22853835 One prominent interpreter of the role thinks he's close to it...]])



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* EscapistCharacterDiagnosedByTheAudience: A large number of viewers interpret Wonka as autistic or otherwise neurodivergent. His life-defining passion for candy-making is often read as a special interest, his various idiosyncratic movements and gestures (e.g. skipping and twirling while he walks) are interpreted as stims, his rapid, long-winded speeches are interpreted as infodumping, and his image as an oddball is widely noted as paralleling how neurotypical people often view autistic folks. His portrayal in the 2005 film ramps this up, with his fidgeting, his difficulties socializing (to the point where he needs cue cards to carry conversations), his childish image, and his preference for heavy clothing also being cited as relatable to autistic viewers. His conflict with his father in the film is also noted as paralleling how many autistic people are abused by their parents, especially when their special interests are seen as undesirable.
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Ambiguous Disorder is now Diagnosed By The Audience and goes on YMMV page


** Is Mr. Wonka [[AmbiguousDisorder autistic]]? ([[http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-22853835 One prominent interpreter of the role thinks he's close to it...]])

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** Is Mr. Wonka [[AmbiguousDisorder autistic]]? [[DiagnosedByTheAudience autistic/neurodivergent]]? ([[http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-22853835 One prominent interpreter of the role thinks he's close to it...]])

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Before playing [[WesternAnimation/MeetTheRobinsons Lewis Robinson]], Jordan Fry played Mike Teavee.

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Before playing [[WesternAnimation/MeetTheRobinsons Lewis Robinson]], Jordan Fry played Mike Teavee.Teavee.
** Creator/FreddieHighmore may be this to those unaware he was a child actor before his well known adult roles in ''Series/BatesMotel'' and ''Series/TheGoodDoctor''.



* TheWoobie: Charlie and his family, of course. There's also Mr. Teavee, Mike's father; unlike the other parents, who spoil their children rotten, he's just an ExtremeDoormat to a TV-obsessed son. He admits that he just can't get a handle on someone who grew up too fast. Even Mr. Salt arguably qualifies, as he's obviously getting very tired of catering to Veruca's every demand, before finally snapping at the end when she sees the Great Glass Elevator.

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* TheWoobie: Charlie and his family, of course. There's also Mr. Teavee, Mike's father; unlike the other parents, who spoil their children rotten, he's just an ExtremeDoormat to a TV-obsessed son. He admits that he just can't get a handle on someone who grew up too fast. Even Mr. Salt arguably qualifies, as he's obviously getting very tired of catering to Veruca's every demand, demand and his wife being no help, before finally snapping at the end when she sees wants the Great Glass Elevator.
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* {{Moe}}: Charlie himself is a kind and selfless NiceGuy who remains sweet and kindhearted despite his poor financial state.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Regardless on your opinions on the movie, you've got to admit that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sOhO2UCTW4 all four]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7PAKDOFCGo of the]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v44mYzFKsA Oompa Loompa's]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Xs9izK_7o songs]] are very catchy and well-done, as expected from being Danny Elfman creations. Special points to the fact that they also use the same lyrics from the books, and for using different styles to match each of the children's personalities (Augustus' being a tribalistic marching band-like tune, Violet's being funk/disco, Veruca's being a soft rock ballad, and Mike's being hard rock).

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Regardless on your opinions on the movie, you've got to admit that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sOhO2UCTW4 all All four]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7PAKDOFCGo of the]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v44mYzFKsA Oompa Loompa's]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Xs9izK_7o songs]] are very catchy and well-done, as expected from being Danny Elfman creations. Special points to the fact that they also use the same lyrics from the books, and for using different styles to match each of the children's personalities (Augustus' being a tribalistic marching band-like tune, Violet's being funk/disco, Veruca's being a soft rock ballad, and Mike's being hard rock).
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** The Oompa Loompas were originally [[DarkestAfrica an African Pygmy tribe who lived in squalor and ate bugs]] before [[MightyWhitey Wonka came along]] and had them work in his factory for chocolate rations. You can probably figure why the 1971 movie hastily changed them to orange-skinned green-haired FairFolk and why Roald Dahl himself rewrote them to have white skin and golden-brown hair in future editions of the book.

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** The Oompa Loompas were originally [[DarkestAfrica an African Pygmy tribe who lived in squalor and ate bugs]] before [[MightyWhitey Wonka came along]] and had them work in his factory for chocolate rations. You can probably figure why The racist overtones of this portrayal were enough to result in a feud between Dahl and Eleanor Cameron after the latter published an article critical of the book in 1972, ultimately resulting in Dahl rewriting the book to give the Oompa Loompas white skin and golden-brown hair in reprints. Similarly, the 1971 movie hastily changed them to orange-skinned green-haired FairFolk and why Roald Dahl himself rewrote them to have white skin and golden-brown hair in future editions of the book.FairFolk.
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** As noted in MemeticMolester above, comparing Creator/JohnnyDeep's version of Wonka to Music/MichaelJackson has recently become popular due to their similar appearances and the fact that this movie came out when Jackson was exposed as a pedophile.

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** As noted in MemeticMolester above, comparing Creator/JohnnyDeep's Creator/JohnnyDepp's version of Wonka to Music/MichaelJackson has recently become popular due to their similar appearances and the fact appearances. Not helping is that this the movie came out when the same year Michael Jackson was exposed as a pedophile.
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* SoOkayItsAverage: Some people tend to view it as this. While the film does try to be more faithful than the 1971 version, it's generally considered one of Creator/TimBurton's and Creator/JohnnyDeep's weaker movies.
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* SoOkayItsAverage: Some people tend to view it as this. While the film does try to be more faithful than the 1971 version, it's generally considered one of Creator/TimBurton's and Creator/JohnnyDeep's weaker movies.
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* FriendlyFandoms: A lot of ''Charlie and the Chocolate Factory'' fans also tend to be fans of ''Literature/Matilda'' due to both books being written by [[Creator/RoaldDahl the same author]].

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* FriendlyFandoms: A lot of ''Charlie and the Chocolate Factory'' fans also tend to be fans of ''Literature/Matilda'' ''Literature/{{Matilda}}'' due to both books being written by [[Creator/RoaldDahl the same author]].
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* FriendlyFandoms: A lot of ''Charlie and the Chocolate Factory'' fans also tend to be fans of ''Literature/Matilda'' due to both books being written by [[Creator/RoaldDahl the same author]].

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I may have confused her with another dentist named "Julia Winter". It's apparently more common than I think.


* HilariousInHindsight:
** Mike Teavee, during his musical number, ends up in a parody of ''Film/{{Psycho}}''. Creator/FreddieHighmore later played Norman Bates in ''Series/BatesMotel''.
** Julia Winter, Veruca's actress, went on to become a doctor with this as her only film role. What kind of doctor, you ask? ''A'' '''''dentist'''''.

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HilariousInHindsight: Mike Teavee, during his musical number, ends up in a parody of ''Film/{{Psycho}}''. Creator/FreddieHighmore later played Norman Bates in ''Series/BatesMotel''.
** Julia Winter, Veruca's actress, went on to become a doctor with this as her only film role. What kind of doctor, you ask? ''A'' '''''dentist'''''.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Mike Teavee, during his musical number, ends up in a parody of ''Film/{{Psycho}}''. Creator/FreddieHighmore later played Norman Bates in ''Series/BatesMotel''.

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Mike Teavee, during his musical number, ends up in a parody of ''Film/{{Psycho}}''. Creator/FreddieHighmore later played Norman Bates in ''Series/BatesMotel''.''Series/BatesMotel''.
** Julia Winter, Veruca's actress, went on to become a doctor with this as her only film role. What kind of doctor, you ask? ''A'' '''''dentist'''''.
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* SelfFanservice: For a rare non-sexual example, fanart depicting Augustus often portrays him as less fat and more chubby rather than obese.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Creator/ChristopherLee as Dr. Wilbur Wonka gets only a few short scenes, but he makes the most of them and is one of the most remembered parts of the film, even by its detractors. He takes all of the {{Dracula}}, [[Franchise/StarWars Count Dooku]] and [[Film/TheLordOfTheRings Saruman]] mannerisms and transposes them onto a dentist. Just imagine Christopher Lee throwing his resonant ''basso'' into the word "Lollipops."

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Creator/ChristopherLee as Dr. Wilbur Wonka gets only a few short scenes, but he makes the most of them and is one of the most remembered parts of the film, even by its detractors. He takes all of the {{Dracula}}, [[Franchise/StarWars Count Dooku]] and [[Film/TheLordOfTheRings Saruman]] mannerisms and transposes them onto a dentist. Just imagine Christopher Lee throwing his resonant ''basso'' into the word "Lollipops.""
** A good amount of people also like Grandma Josephine for her NonSequitur lines providing lots of funny moments (i.e., "I love grapes!").



** As noted in MemeticMolestor above, comparing Creator/JohnnyDeep's version of Wonka to Music/MichaelJackson has recently become popular due to their similar appearances and the fact that this movie came out when Jackson was exposed as a pedophile.

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** As noted in MemeticMolestor MemeticMolester above, comparing Creator/JohnnyDeep's version of Wonka to Music/MichaelJackson has recently become popular due to their similar appearances and the fact that this movie came out when Jackson was exposed as a pedophile.
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** As noted in MemeticMolestor above, comparing Creator/JohnnyDeep's version of Wonka to Music/MichaelJackson has recently become popular due to their similar appearances and the fact that this movie came out when Jackson was exposed as a pedophile.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Before playing [[WesternAnimation/MeetTheRobinsons Lewis Robinson]], Jordan Fry played Mike Teavee.

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* HilariousInHindsight:
** Mike Teavee, during his musical number, ends up in a parody of ''Film/{{Psycho}}''. Creator/FreddieHighmore later played Norman Bates in ''Series/BatesMotel''.
** Mike’s tangents involving science count as his actor would go on to play [[WesternAnimation/MeetTheRobinsons the super kid genius inventor Lewis.]]
** A lot of reviewers compared Creator/JohnnyDepp's portrayal of Willy Wonka to Music/MichaelJackson, who in 2005 was in his molestation trail that had massive media coverage and public attention. Cut to 17 years later, and Depp was involved in a defamation trial against his ex-wife Creator/AmberHeard that had similar levels of media coverage and public attention, with Depp even receiving similar levels of public support to Jackson.

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* HilariousInHindsight:
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HilariousInHindsight: Mike Teavee, during his musical number, ends up in a parody of ''Film/{{Psycho}}''. Creator/FreddieHighmore later played Norman Bates in ''Series/BatesMotel''.
** Mike’s tangents involving science count as his actor would go on to play [[WesternAnimation/MeetTheRobinsons the super kid genius inventor Lewis.]]
** A lot of reviewers compared Creator/JohnnyDepp's portrayal of Willy Wonka to Music/MichaelJackson, who in 2005 was in his molestation trail that had massive media coverage and public attention. Cut to 17 years later, and Depp was involved in a defamation trial against his ex-wife Creator/AmberHeard that had similar levels of media coverage and public attention, with Depp even receiving similar levels of public support to Jackson.
''Series/BatesMotel''.



* HilariousInHindsight: Creator/DouglasHodge has since played another brilliant high-tech inventor whose inventions have ugly downsides: Rolo Haynes, proprietor of ''Series/BlackMirror'''s titular "[[Recap/BlackMirrorBlackMuseum Black Museum]]"...
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** A lot of reviewers compared Creator/JohnnyDepp's portrayal of Willy Wonka to Music/MichaelJackson, who in 2005 was in his molestation trail that had massive media coverage and public attention. Cut to 17 years later, and Depp was involved in a defamation trail against his ex-wife Creator/AmberHeard that had similar levels of media coverage and public attention, with Depp even receiving similar levels of support to Jackson.

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** A lot of reviewers compared Creator/JohnnyDepp's portrayal of Willy Wonka to Music/MichaelJackson, who in 2005 was in his molestation trail that had massive media coverage and public attention. Cut to 17 years later, and Depp was involved in a defamation trail trial against his ex-wife Creator/AmberHeard that had similar levels of media coverage and public attention, with Depp even receiving similar levels of public support to Jackson.

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** Augustus Gloop's status as an AcceptableTarget was subject to considerable criticism by the time of the 2005 film, due to weight and body-shaming being far more sensitive issues in the 21st century. That doesn't keep that film and later adaptations from sticking with a straight FatIdiot / FatBastard portrayal, though, probably because the primary reason he's fat is because he's ''greedy'' and overeats. The 2010 opera's portrayal of Violet as obsessed with physical beauty and thinness can be seen as an AuthorsSavingThrow, not only updating Violet's character but providing a counterbalance to Augustus by portraying obsession with weight loss as just as much of a vice as overeating.

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** Augustus Gloop's status as an AcceptableTarget was subject to considerable criticism by the time of the 2005 film, due to weight and body-shaming being far more sensitive issues in the 21st century. That doesn't keep that film and later adaptations from sticking with a straight FatIdiot / FatBastard portrayal, though, probably because the primary reason he's fat is because he's ''greedy'' and overeats. The 2010 opera's portrayal of Violet as obsessed with physical beauty and thinness can be seen as an AuthorsSavingThrow, not only updating Violet's character but providing a counterbalance to Augustus by portraying obsession with weight loss as just as much of a vice as overeating.



* AcceptableProfessionalTargets: Violet and her father, as representatives of HorribleHollywood in its shallow/talentless and greedy aspects, respectively.
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** A lot of reviewers compared Creator/JohnnyDepp's portrayal of Willy Wonka to Music/MichaelJackson, who in 2005 was in his molestation trail that had massive media coverage. Cut to 17 years later, and Depp was involved in a defamation trail against his ex-wife Creator/AmberHeard that had similar levels of media coverage, with Depp even receiving similar levels of support to Jackson.

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** A lot of reviewers compared Creator/JohnnyDepp's portrayal of Willy Wonka to Music/MichaelJackson, who in 2005 was in his molestation trail that had massive media coverage. coverage and public attention. Cut to 17 years later, and Depp was involved in a defamation trail against his ex-wife Creator/AmberHeard that had similar levels of media coverage, coverage and public attention, with Depp even receiving similar levels of support to Jackson.
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* FirstInstallmentWins: Raise your hand if you didn't know the book has a sequel! Even ''Inside Charlie's Chocolate Factory'' barely acknowledges its existence. (It doesn't help that it ''was'' a case of MoneyDearBoy for the author.)

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* FirstInstallmentWins: Raise your hand if you didn't know the book has a sequel! Even ''Inside Charlie's Chocolate Factory'' barely acknowledges its existence. (It doesn't help that it ''was'' a case of MoneyDearBoy for the author.)) ''Literature/CharlieAndTheGreatGlassElevator'' does have its fans, but even said fans agree, it doesn’t match the first book.
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** This version of Charlie himself. Some fans like him for his NiceGuy nature and find him to be just as likable as his book and 1971 counterparts while some fans hate him for being a FlatCharacter with no personality outside of being a NiceGuy.
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* AluminumChristmasTrees: Many would find the bit about Mr. Wonka closing down due to industrial espionage to be over the top. Many would also be surprised to learn [[CrapsaccharineWorld what a cutthroat industry candymaking really is.]]
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** A lot of reviewers compared Creator/JohnnyDepp's portrayal of Willy Wonka to Music/MichaelJackson, who in 2005 was in his molestation trail that had massive media coverage. Cut to 17 years later, and Johnny Depp ended up in a defamation trail against his ex-wife Creator/AmberHeard that had similar levels of media coverage, with Depp even receiving similar levels of support to Jackson.

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** A lot of reviewers compared Creator/JohnnyDepp's portrayal of Willy Wonka to Music/MichaelJackson, who in 2005 was in his molestation trail that had massive media coverage. Cut to 17 years later, and Johnny Depp ended up was involved in a defamation trail against his ex-wife Creator/AmberHeard that had similar levels of media coverage, with Depp even receiving similar levels of support to Jackson.
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** A lot of reviewers compared Creator/JohnnyDepp's portrayal of Willy Wonka to Music/MichaelJackson, who in 2005 was in his molestation trail that had massive media coverage. Cut to 17 years later, and Johnny Depp ended up in a defamation trail against his ex-wife Creator/AmberHeard that had similar levels of media coverage, with Depp even receiving similar levels of support to Jackson.
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** This incarnation of Willy Wonka. He was hated by critics, since Creator/JohnnyDepp's performance [[ToughActToFollow couldn't be compared to]] Creator/GeneWilder's, with some viewers also hating his LargeHam personality that tried too hard to be funny and just came off as awkward. Additionally, many despise what a raging {{Jerkass}} he can be, and dislike his apathy towards the children, which doesn't make any sense since he invited them over to make one of them the heir to the factory. However, he has a fanbase of nostalgic viewers who found his mannerisms charming, finding the comparison's to Wilder's Wonka unfair and thinking his new backstory makes him an effective JerkassWoobie and a good {{Foil}} to Charlie.

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** This incarnation of Willy Wonka. He was hated by critics, critics ([[https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/charlie_and_the_chocolate_factory who still mostly gave the film positive marks]]), since Creator/JohnnyDepp's performance [[ToughActToFollow couldn't be compared to]] Creator/GeneWilder's, with some viewers also hating his LargeHam personality that tried too hard to be funny and just came off as awkward. Many critics also found Depp's performance tastelessly close to Music/MichaelJackson in look and demeanor, especially in the wake of his molestation trial that concluded just a month prior. Additionally, many despise what a raging {{Jerkass}} he can be, and dislike his apathy towards the children, which doesn't make any sense since he invited them over to make one of them the heir to the factory. However, he has a fanbase of nostalgic viewers who found his mannerisms charming, finding the comparison's to Wilder's Wonka unfair and thinking his new backstory makes him an effective JerkassWoobie and a good {{Foil}} to Charlie.
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* EstrogenBrigade: Creator/JohnnyDepp's Willy Wonka has a small fangirl following, who think he's hot.

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* EstrogenBrigade: Creator/JohnnyDepp's Willy Wonka has a small fangirl following, who think he's hot. Considering that Johnny Depp himself is a RealLife example of this trope, this should be a given.
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* SugarWiki/DevelopmentHeaven: Creator/TimBurton was so dead set on avoiding using CGI that he paid a team of animal trainers to train 40 real squirrels for the sequence where Veruca Salt meets her demise. It took nineteen weeks of painstaking work, training each squirrel individually, but they pulled it off. And all for a scene that takes up less than 10 minutes of screen time.

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