History YMMV / CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory

26th Nov '16 6:29:53 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: By 21st-century standards, the first four children's respective vices don't ''quite'' justify them [[ScareEmStraight being placed in highly traumatic situations]], even when they are self-inflicted. This is why most 21st-century adaptations give Augustus, Veruca, Violet and Mike significantly nastier personalities.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: By 21st-century standards, the first four children's respective vices don't ''quite'' justify them [[ScareEmStraight being placed in highly traumatic situations]], even when they are self-inflicted. This is why most 21st-century adaptations give Augustus, Veruca, Violet and Mike [[AdaptationalVillainy significantly nastier personalities.personalities]].
22nd Nov '16 10:01:10 AM Morgenthaler
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** Is the 1971 film a wonderful, tuneful PragmaticAdaptation that makes Charlie truly [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn his happy ending]] and has become just as iconic a story as, if not moreso than, the book...or is it an InkStainAdaptation that violates his noble character, has drippy songs, and unfairly overshadows the novel and all other versions of it, including more faithful ones? Notably, Creator/RoaldDahl hated the film...

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** Is the 1971 film a wonderful, tuneful PragmaticAdaptation that makes Charlie truly [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn his happy ending]] and has become just as iconic a story as, if not moreso than, the book...or is it an InkStainAdaptation AudienceColoringAdaptation that violates his noble character, has drippy songs, and unfairly overshadows the novel and all other versions of it, including more faithful ones? Notably, Creator/RoaldDahl hated the film...
12th Nov '16 3:43:38 PM nombretomado
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-->''Oh, the joy of being able to cram large pieces of something sweet and solid into one's mouth!''

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-->''Oh, --->''Oh, the joy of being able to cram large pieces of something sweet and solid into one's mouth!''



* MemeticMolester: Willy Wonka. Beyond the NightmareFuel elements of JohnnyDepp's performance, when the film hit theaters it was in the wake of Music/MichaelJackson being found not guilty on child molestation charges. As Depp's Wonka and Jackson are superficially similar in appearance, the film was the butt of jokes and questions as to whether this was intentional.

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* MemeticMolester: Willy Wonka. Beyond the NightmareFuel elements of JohnnyDepp's Creator/JohnnyDepp's performance, when the film hit theaters it was in the wake of Music/MichaelJackson being found not guilty on child molestation charges. As Depp's Wonka and Jackson are superficially similar in appearance, the film was the butt of jokes and questions as to whether this was intentional.
5th Nov '16 7:39:55 PM Fangusu
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* DesignatedVillain: Violet and, to a lesser degree, Mike have the potential to be seen this way due to ValuesDissonance; they are considered "bad" because they are addicted to gum and television, respectively. Most 21st-century adaptations deliberately give Violet and Mike unlikable personalities so that they do not end up UnintentionallySympathetic.

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* DesignatedVillain: Mike and especially Violet and, to a lesser degree, Mike have the potential to be seen this way due to ValuesDissonance; in the source material, they are considered "bad" primarily because they are addicted to gum television and television, chewing gum, respectively. Most 21st-century adaptations deliberately give Violet and Mike both of them unlikable personalities so that they do not end up UnintentionallySympathetic.
21st Oct '16 11:19:27 AM Eagal
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* ReplacementScrappy / TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Poor Alex Jennings, the first replacement Willy Wonka. As early as his Olivier Awards performance of "Pure Imagination" in May 2014, a month before he took the stage at Theatre Royal Drury Lane in the role, he was getting unfavorable comparisons to Douglas Hodge from fans. Once updated show trailers were uploaded to the show's offical Website/YouTube channel in July, the bulk of the viewer comments were lamenting the change. Those who saw both performers were split on which actor did a better job with the ''characterization'' (Jennings' icy-yet-still-playful approach versus Hodge's extravagant-even-for-Wonka hamminess), but general consensus was that Hodge[[note]]who has a side career as a SingerSongwriter[[/note]] was the better ''singer''.

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* ReplacementScrappy / TheyChangedItNowItSucks: ReplacementScrappy: Poor Alex Jennings, the first replacement Willy Wonka. As early as his Olivier Awards performance of "Pure Imagination" in May 2014, a month before he took the stage at Theatre Royal Drury Lane in the role, he was getting unfavorable comparisons to Douglas Hodge from fans. Once updated show trailers were uploaded to the show's offical Website/YouTube channel in July, the bulk of the viewer comments were lamenting the change. Those who saw both performers were split on which actor did a better job with the ''characterization'' (Jennings' icy-yet-still-playful approach versus Hodge's extravagant-even-for-Wonka hamminess), but general consensus was that Hodge[[note]]who has a side career as a SingerSongwriter[[/note]] was the better ''singer''.



* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Both the condemnation of CreativeSterility and mindless consumption and the celebration of imagination and grateful appreciation are drilled into the viewer hard along with all of the story's "classic" Aesops. But when so much modern pop culture glorifies materialism and obnoxious behavior to both children and adults, such messages ''really'' need to be repeated and heard.
21st Oct '16 11:18:19 AM Eagal
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* MemeticMolester: Willy Wonka. Beyond the NightmareFuel elements of JohnnyDepp's performance, when the film hit theaters it was in the wake of Music/MichaelJackson being found not guilty on child molestation charges. As Depp!Wonka and Jackson are superficially similar in appearance, [[TooSoon the film was the butt of jokes and questions as to whether this was intentional]].

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* MemeticMolester: Willy Wonka. Beyond the NightmareFuel elements of JohnnyDepp's performance, when the film hit theaters it was in the wake of Music/MichaelJackson being found not guilty on child molestation charges. As Depp!Wonka Depp's Wonka and Jackson are superficially similar in appearance, [[TooSoon the film was the butt of jokes and questions as to whether this was intentional]].intentional.



* MemeticMolester / TooSoon: ''Averted''. In the runup to the opening, the catastrophe of the Jimmy Savile revelations (for non-U.K. tropers, he was an eccentric ''Series/TopOfThePops'' and children's show host posthumously revealed to be a horrifically prolific serial pedophile/rapist) was still fresh news, and Creator/DouglasHodge acknowledged in interviews that launching a musical about an eccentric chocolatier whose world is highly dangerous for bratty kids was skirting the latter trope under such circumstances. But in practice, the show didn't elicit the unsavory comparisons that the 2005 film did -- likely because it fully embraces the BlackComedy of the source material and presents Wonka as an AntiHero DeadpanSnarker with a SugarAndIcePersonality, rather than the UncannyValley StepfordSmiler ManChild of the '05 version.

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* MemeticMolester / TooSoon: MemeticMolester: ''Averted''. In the runup to the opening, the catastrophe of the Jimmy Savile revelations (for non-U.K. tropers, he was an eccentric ''Series/TopOfThePops'' and children's show host posthumously revealed to be a horrifically prolific serial pedophile/rapist) was still fresh news, and Creator/DouglasHodge acknowledged in interviews that launching a musical about an eccentric chocolatier whose world is highly dangerous for bratty kids was skirting the latter trope under such circumstances. But in practice, the show didn't elicit the unsavory comparisons that the 2005 film did -- likely because it fully embraces the BlackComedy of the source material and presents Wonka as an AntiHero DeadpanSnarker with a SugarAndIcePersonality, rather than the UncannyValley StepfordSmiler ManChild of the '05 version.
21st Oct '16 11:13:41 AM Eagal
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: No less a mind than Creator/MaraWilson praised Dahl for going for the Aesop that "some people are just shitty parents."

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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: No less a mind than Creator/MaraWilson praised Dahl for going for the Aesop that "some Some people are just shitty parents."
21st Oct '16 11:12:07 AM Eagal
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* PuritySue: One can argue that in the 2005 movie, Charlie is this because his niceness has gone through Flanderization to the point where he has no real character flaws.
21st Oct '16 5:39:14 AM Silverblade2
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* UnfortunateImplications: The Oompa Loompas were originally [[DarkestAfrica an African Pygmy tribe who lived in squalor and ate bugs]] before [[MightyWhitey Wonka came along]] and had them work in his factory for chocolate rations. You can probably figure why the movies hastily changed them to orange-skinned green-haired FairFolk.

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UnfortunateImplications: The Oompa Loompas were originally [[DarkestAfrica an African Pygmy tribe who lived in squalor and ate bugs]] before [[MightyWhitey Wonka came along]] and had them work in his factory for chocolate rations. You can probably figure why the movies hastily changed them to orange-skinned green-haired FairFolk.
12th Oct '16 5:13:32 PM Fangusu
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* DesignatedVillain: Violet gets this the most. In comparison to Veruca, who's a spoiled brat and Augustus who's greedy, Violet's a naughty kid because she chews gum a lot. Mike as well to a lesser extent, since his main flaw is that he never stops watching TV (though he is a bit obnoxious in the story anyway). Notably any adaptations have to amp up their Jerkass qualities to avoid making them UnintentionallySympathetic.

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* DesignatedVillain: Violet gets this the most. In comparison to Veruca, who's a spoiled brat and Augustus who's greedy, Violet's a naughty kid because she chews gum a lot. Mike as well and, to a lesser extent, since his main flaw is that he never stops watching TV (though he is a bit obnoxious in degree, Mike have the story anyway). Notably any potential to be seen this way due to ValuesDissonance; they are considered "bad" because they are addicted to gum and television, respectively. Most 21st-century adaptations have to amp deliberately give Violet and Mike unlikable personalities so that they do not end up their Jerkass qualities to avoid making them UnintentionallySympathetic.



* FetishFuel: According to the internet, the various adapations' depiction of the bloating Violet is what's led many expansion and transformation fetishists down that path. {{Squick}}.

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* FetishFuel: According to the internet, the various adapations' depiction of the bloating Violet is what's what has led many expansion and transformation fetishists down that path. {{Squick}}.



%%* UnfortunateImplications: The Oompa Loompas were originally [[DarkestAfrica an African Pygmy tribe who lived in squalor and ate bugs]] before [[MightyWhitey Wonka came along]] and had them work in his factory for chocolate rations. You can probably figure why the movies hastily changed them to orange-skinned green-haired FairFolk.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: The bratty children's respective vices don't ''quite'' justify them [[ScareEmStraight being placed in highly traumatic, physically scarring life-or-death situations]], even when they're effectively self-inflicted. Later adaptations often make the kids nastier than they are in the novel and 1971 film to counter this.

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%%* * UnfortunateImplications: The Oompa Loompas were originally [[DarkestAfrica an African Pygmy tribe who lived in squalor and ate bugs]] before [[MightyWhitey Wonka came along]] and had them work in his factory for chocolate rations. You can probably figure why the movies hastily changed them to orange-skinned green-haired FairFolk.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: The bratty By 21st-century standards, the first four children's respective vices don't ''quite'' justify them [[ScareEmStraight being placed in highly traumatic, physically scarring life-or-death traumatic situations]], even when they're effectively they are self-inflicted. Later This is why most 21st-century adaptations often make the kids give Augustus, Veruca, Violet and Mike significantly nastier than they are in the novel and 1971 film to counter this.personalities.
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