History YMMV / CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory

25th Apr '17 9:24:50 AM Sapphirea2
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** Willy Wonka shows up in ''the show's opening scene'' and maintains a KingIncognito masquerade as the candy shop owner who befriends Charlie throughout Act One.

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** Willy Wonka shows up in ''the show's opening scene'' and maintains a KingIncognito masquerade as the candy shop owner who befriends strings Charlie along with never-fulfilled promises of free chocolate throughout Act One.
13th Apr '17 7:46:03 AM Sapphirea2
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Those familiar with the London production, whether they enjoyed it or not, are near-unanimous that the many changes made to the show in the transition to New York City are mostly for the worse. Particular scorn is given to the removal of the SceneryPorn, having the four brats be portrayed by adults rather than children, the shockingly violent demise of Veruca Salt (even though it turns out to be a DisneyDeath), and the addition of an odd dream ballet between Mrs. Bucket and her ''dead'' husband to "If Your Father Were Here".

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Those familiar with the London production, whether they enjoyed it or not, are near-unanimous that the many changes made to the show in the transition to New York City are mostly for the worse. Particular scorn is given to the removal of the SceneryPorn, having the four brats be portrayed by adults rather than children, the shockingly violent demise death of Veruca Salt (even though it turns out to be a DisneyDeath), Salt, and the addition of an odd dream ballet between Mrs. Bucket and her ''dead'' husband to "If Your Father Were Here".
10th Apr '17 10:38:00 AM Sapphirea2
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* PanderingToTheBase: "Pure Imagination" was incorporated into the score at the behest of the show's producers because so many people, when they heard about this show, thought it would be an adaptation of the 1971 movie. So to keep them from feeling ''too'' let down that it wasn't...



* PanderingToTheBase: "Pure Imagination" was incorporated into the score at the behest of the show's producers because so many people, when they heard about this show, thought it would be an adaptation of the 1971 movie. So to keep them from feeling ''too'' let down that it wasn't...
10th Apr '17 10:36:44 AM Sapphirea2
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* PanderingToTheBase: "Pure Imagination" was incorporated into the score at the behest of the show's producers because so many people, when they heard about this show, thought it would be an adaptation of the 1971 movie. So to keep them from feeling ''too'' let down that it wasn't...


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* PanderingToTheBase: The heavy revisions to the show from London are almost entirely motivated by pandering to fans of the story who 1) regard the 1971 film adaptation and its songs as definitive and/or 2) don't want to wait until the story's halfway point for Willy Wonka to show up.
** Three more songs from the 1971 film -- "The Candy Man", "I've Got a Golden Ticket", and "The Oompa-Loompa Song" -- are incorporated into the score.
** Mr. Bucket suffers DeathByAdaptation and the grandparents besides Joe are DemotedToExtra because that's what the movie did to them.
** Willy Wonka shows up in ''the show's opening scene'' and maintains a KingIncognito masquerade as the candy shop owner who befriends Charlie throughout Act One.
** "Pure Imagination" is moved to the Chocolate Room scene because that's where it turned up in the movie, coming at the expense of "Simply Second Nature", a song that was crucial to understanding Mr. Wonka's life philosophy and the show's larger theme of "creation".
7th Apr '17 3:22:16 PM kquinn0830
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Those familiar with the London production, whether they enjoyed it or not, are near-unanimous that the many changes made to the show in the transition to New York City are mostly for the worse. Particular scorn is given to the removal of the SceneryPorn, the shockingly violent demise of Veruca Salt (even though it turns out to be a DisneyDeath), and the addition of an odd dream ballet between Mrs. Bucket and her ''dead'' husband to "If Your Father Were Here".

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Those familiar with the London production, whether they enjoyed it or not, are near-unanimous that the many changes made to the show in the transition to New York City are mostly for the worse. Particular scorn is given to the removal of the SceneryPorn, having the four brats be portrayed by adults rather than children, the shockingly violent demise of Veruca Salt (even though it turns out to be a DisneyDeath), and the addition of an odd dream ballet between Mrs. Bucket and her ''dead'' husband to "If Your Father Were Here".
7th Apr '17 9:08:00 AM Sapphirea2
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* JustHereForGodzilla: To judge from the [=BroadwayWorld.com=] message boards, a lot of regular theatergoers are only seeing this show for Christian Borle (a two-time Tony Award winner) as Willy Wonka.
7th Apr '17 8:59:44 AM Sapphirea2
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* JustHereForGodzilla: Many fans of the novel and/or adaptations are Just There for Willy Wonka and tend to complain that he doesn't get enough "onstage time" in favor of that boring poor kid and his family (go to any theatre message board discussing the 2013 musical and there '''will''' be complaints that boil down to this). The 2005 stage musical ''Roald Dahl's Willy Wonka'' tries to address this by opening the show with Mr. Wonka and his Oompa-Loompas discussing his ZanyScheme and giving him a KingIncognito identity as a candy vendor, but this has the effect of killing the mystery the novel and other adaptations build up around him and his world.

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* JustHereForGodzilla: Many fans of the novel and/or adaptations are Just There for Willy Wonka and tend to complain that he doesn't and the factory don't get enough "onstage time" in favor of that boring poor kid and his family (go family. Go to any theatre message board discussing the 2013 musical and there '''will''' be complaints that boil down to this). The 2005 stage musical ''Roald Dahl's Willy Wonka'' tries this and wonder why the 2017 Broadway {{Retool}} didn't change that. Some versions, including said retool, try to address this by opening the show with giving Mr. Wonka and his Oompa-Loompas discussing his ZanyScheme and giving him a KingIncognito identity as a candy vendor, vendor who befriends Charlie, and even revealing his ZanyScheme and true identity to the audience at the top of the show...but this has the effect of killing the mystery the novel and other adaptations build up around him and his world.world ''stone dead''.
30th Mar '17 3:57:55 AM Sapphirea2
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* ToughActToFollow: An unusual case, in that it's with regard to other adaptations of the same story and/or the other work of the source material's writer rather than having the same creative team as a previous hit[[note]]Though both this and ''Matilda'' share a choreographer[[/note]]. Considering the status of the 1971 film and the critical acclaim given to the ''other'' Creator/RoaldDahl musical on the West End, ''Theatre/{{Matilda}}'', this was inevitable. While critical reception was mixed, the show was able to stick around for three-and-a-half years (by far the longest run enjoyed by a West End musical that ''wasn't'' an American import since ''Matilda'') -- and even though it's not quite as beloved as the '71 movie, it's ''far'' less hated than the '05 film.

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* ToughActToFollow: An unusual case, in that it's with regard to other adaptations of the same story and/or the other work of the source material's writer rather than having the same creative team as a previous hit[[note]]Though both this and ''Matilda'' share a choreographer[[/note]]. Considering the status of the 1971 film and the critical acclaim given to the ''other'' Creator/RoaldDahl musical on the West End, ''Theatre/{{Matilda}}'', this was inevitable. While critical reception was mixed, the show was able to stick around for three-and-a-half years (by far the longest run enjoyed by a West End musical that ''wasn't'' an American import since ''Matilda'') -- and even though it's not quite as beloved as the '71 movie, it's ''far'' less hated than the '05 film. Note that this only applies to the '''original''' West End staging, not the much-altered Broadway production (see below), which was widely condemned from its first preview performance onward.
30th Mar '17 3:55:55 AM Sapphirea2
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!! Specifically the 2013 stage musical:

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!! Specifically the 2013 stage West End musical:


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!!Specifically the 2017 Broadway staging
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Those familiar with the London production, whether they enjoyed it or not, are near-unanimous that the many changes made to the show in the transition to New York City are mostly for the worse. Particular scorn is given to the removal of the SceneryPorn, the shockingly violent demise of Veruca Salt (even though it turns out to be a DisneyDeath), and the addition of an odd dream ballet between Mrs. Bucket and her ''dead'' husband to "If Your Father Were Here".
27th Mar '17 6:45:18 AM LaptopGuy
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** Is the 2013 West End musical a darkly lovable PragmaticAdaptation, clearly created by people who wanted to preserve Dahl's spirit and humor, that steps out of the shadow of the film versions even with a BootstrappedTheme and some {{Internal Homage}}s, and ''finally'' remembers that Charlie is the central character, not Willy Wonka...or is it just another flashy spectacle lacking drama and heart, with a boring first act and frantic second one, and songs that don't hold a candle to those of the '71 version? ''Many'' people who don't like this show state that they would have preferred a straight ScreenToStageAdaptation of the '71 film, and/or are excited that the Broadway {{Retool}} will sub in more material from that version. (Bear in mind that Dahl's estate likely wouldn't have allowed the former option, because ''he hated that version''.)

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** Is the 2013 West End musical a darkly lovable PragmaticAdaptation, clearly created by people who wanted to preserve Dahl's spirit and humor, that steps out of the shadow of the film versions even with a BootstrappedTheme and some {{Internal Homage}}s, and ''finally'' remembers that Charlie is the central character, not Willy Wonka...or is it just another flashy spectacle lacking drama and heart, with a boring first act and frantic second one, and songs that don't hold a candle to those of the '71 version? version (most people agree they're at least better than the '05 one)? ''Many'' people who don't like this show state that they would have preferred a straight ScreenToStageAdaptation of the '71 film, film (which the first musical version was), and/or are excited that the Broadway {{Retool}} will sub in more material from that version. (Bear in mind that Dahl's estate likely wouldn't have allowed the former option, because ''he hated that version''.)



* IconicCharacterForgottenTitle: To an extent. Willy Wonka ''is'' the standout character and the [[Film/WillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory most famous adaptation]], a 2005 American stage musical, and a defictionalized candy brand are named after him rather than poor Charlie. But other adaptations use the original title without any trouble.

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* IconicCharacterForgottenTitle: To an extent. Willy Wonka ''is'' the standout character and the [[Film/WillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory first and most famous adaptation]], a 2005 American stage musical, musical featuring that first adaptation's songs, and a defictionalized candy brand are named after him rather than poor Charlie. But other adaptations use the original title without any trouble.



** Violet is a lot more sympathetic than in most adaptations, as it's made abundantly clear that her brattiness is the result of years of psychological abuse by her hideous StageMom, who is the true HateSink of her arc. This has likely contributed to Violet being one of the most popular characters of this adaptation.
* MemeticMolester: Willy Wonka. Beyond the NightmareFuel elements of Creator/JohnnyDepp's performance, when the film hit theaters it was in the wake of Music/MichaelJackson being found not guilty on child molestation charges. As Depp's Wonka and Jackson are superficially similar in appearance, the film was the butt of jokes and questions as to whether this was intentional.

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** Violet is a lot more sympathetic than in most adaptations, as it's made abundantly clear that her brattiness is the result of years of psychological abuse by her hideous StageMom, who is the true HateSink of her arc. This has likely contributed to Violet being one of the most popular characters of this adaptation.
adaptation. It also helps that's she's portrayed by Creator/AnnasophiaRobb, who's had a far more successful career than the other child actors.
* MemeticMolester: Willy Wonka. Beyond the NightmareFuel elements of Creator/JohnnyDepp's performance, when the film hit theaters it was in the wake of Music/MichaelJackson being found not guilty on child molestation charges. As Depp's Wonka and White Jackson are superficially similar in appearance, the film was the butt of jokes and questions as to whether this was intentional.



* TheScrappy: Willy Wonka himself! Johnny Depp's performance was panned especially in comparison to Gene Wilder's much-loved take on the character. Not helping matters is his AdaptationPersonalityChange, which reaches a low point when he [[spoiler: wants Charlie to abandon his family completely to work in the factory]]. His resemblance to Music/MichaelJackson was also much remarked upon, especially since the film came out at the height of a sex scandal.

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* TheScrappy: Willy Wonka himself! Johnny Depp's performance was panned especially in comparison to Gene Wilder's much-loved take on the character.character -- this usually being the main reason the 1971 film is considered superior to it. Not helping matters is his AdaptationPersonalityChange, which reaches a low point when he [[spoiler: wants Charlie to abandon his family completely to work in the factory]]. His resemblance to Music/MichaelJackson was also much remarked upon, especially since the film came out at the height of a sex scandal.



* TheWoobie: Charlie and his family, of course. There's also Mr. Teavee, Mike's father; unlike the other parents who spoil their children rotten, he's just an ExtremeDoormat to a TV-obsessed son, admitting he just can't get a handle on someone who grew up too fast.

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* TheWoobie: Charlie and his family, of course. There's also Mr. Teavee, Mike's father; unlike the other parents who spoil their children rotten, he's just an ExtremeDoormat to a TV-obsessed son, admitting he just can't get a handle on someone who grew up too fast.
fast. And Mr. Salt, who's obviously getting very tired of catering to Veruca's every demand, before finally snapping at the end when she sees the Great Glass Elevator.



* MemeticMolester: ''Averted''. In the runup to the opening, the catastrophe of the Jimmy Savile revelations (for non-U.K. tropers, he was an eccentric ''Series/TopOfThePops'' and children's show host posthumously revealed to be a horrifically prolific serial pedophile/rapist) was still fresh news, and Creator/DouglasHodge acknowledged in interviews that launching a musical about an eccentric chocolatier whose world is highly dangerous for bratty kids was skirting the latter trope under such circumstances. But in practice, the show didn't elicit the unsavory comparisons that the 2005 film did -- likely because it fully embraces the BlackComedy of the source material and presents Mr. Wonka as an AntiHero DeadpanSnarker with a SugarAndIcePersonality, rather than the UncannyValley StepfordSmiler ManChild of the '05 version.

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* MemeticMolester: ''Averted''. In the runup to the opening, the catastrophe of the Jimmy Savile revelations (for non-U.K. tropers, he was an eccentric ''Series/TopOfThePops'' and children's show host posthumously revealed to be a horrifically prolific serial pedophile/rapist) was still fresh news, and Creator/DouglasHodge acknowledged in interviews that launching a musical about an eccentric chocolatier whose world is highly dangerous for bratty kids was skirting the latter trope under such circumstances. But in practice, the show didn't elicit the unsavory comparisons that the 2005 film did to Michael Jackson -- likely because it fully embraces the BlackComedy of the source material and presents Mr. Wonka as an AntiHero DeadpanSnarker with a SugarAndIcePersonality, rather than the UncannyValley StepfordSmiler ManChild of the '05 version.version, not to mention DeadArtistsAreBetter had long kicked in for Jackson at that point.



* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: "When Vercua Says" sounds similar to "Sing!" from ''Theatre/AChorusLine''.

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* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: "When Vercua Veruca Says" sounds similar to "Sing!" from ''Theatre/AChorusLine''.
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