History YMMV / CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory

16th Nov '17 8:11:15 AM Sapphirea2
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: ''All'' the projections, the Department of the Future sequence (particularly the perfect timing of the dancers with the television images in "Vidiots"), the Great Glass Elevator gliding out over the first few rows of the stalls (though some viewers think it wobbles too much)...even the simple trick that sends a paper airplane flying up to the balcony gets oohs and aahs.

to:

* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: ''All'' All the projections, the Department of the Future sequence (particularly the perfect timing of the dancers with the television images in "Vidiots"), the Great Glass Elevator gliding out over the first few rows of the stalls (though some viewers think it wobbles too much)...even the simple trick that sends a paper airplane flying up to the balcony gets oohs and aahs.



* CriticProof: Subverted. It was near-completely panned by critics and completely shut out of Tony Award nominations, but that didn't stop it from posting healthy grosses...for about five months. Once summer 2017 passed, ticket sales plunged. Half of the problem was that it opened just one day before the Broadway stage adaptation of Creator/DonBluth's ''WesternAnimation/{{Anastasia}}'', another critical dud courting families and nostalgic millennials, did; the other half was that ''Theatre/DearEvanHansen'' and ''Theatre/ComeFromAway'' broke out big in an extremely crowded season for new musicals, leaving slim pickings for other new shows no matter what reviews they received.

to:

* CriticProof: Subverted. It was near-completely panned by critics and completely shut out of Tony Award nominations, but that didn't stop it from posting healthy grosses...for about five months. Once summer 2017 passed, ticket sales plunged. plunged and it closed the following January. Half of the problem was that it opened just one day before the Broadway stage adaptation of Creator/DonBluth's ''WesternAnimation/{{Anastasia}}'', another critical dud courting families and nostalgic millennials, did; the other half was that ''Theatre/DearEvanHansen'' and ''Theatre/ComeFromAway'' broke out big in an extremely crowded season for new musicals, leaving slim pickings for other new shows no matter what reviews they received.that same season.
6th Nov '17 12:24:05 AM SonicHOG
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* CriticProof: Subverted. It was near-completely panned by critics and completely shut out of Tony Award nominations, but that didn't stop it from posting healthy grosses...for about five months. Once summer 2017 passed, ticket sales plunged, though (as of early November 2017) they've started to rise albeit not to the amount the show made over the summer. Half of the problem was that it opened just one day before the Broadway stage adaptation of Creator/DonBluth's ''WesternAnimation/{{Anastasia}}'', another critical dud courting families and nostalgic millennials, did; the other half was that ''Theatre/DearEvanHansen'' and ''Theatre/ComeFromAway'' broke out big in an extremely crowded season for new musicals, leaving slim pickings for other new shows no matter what reviews they received.

to:

* CriticProof: Subverted. It was near-completely panned by critics and completely shut out of Tony Award nominations, but that didn't stop it from posting healthy grosses...for about five months. Once summer 2017 passed, ticket sales plunged, though (as of early November 2017) they've started to rise albeit not to the amount the show made over the summer.plunged. Half of the problem was that it opened just one day before the Broadway stage adaptation of Creator/DonBluth's ''WesternAnimation/{{Anastasia}}'', another critical dud courting families and nostalgic millennials, did; the other half was that ''Theatre/DearEvanHansen'' and ''Theatre/ComeFromAway'' broke out big in an extremely crowded season for new musicals, leaving slim pickings for other new shows no matter what reviews they received.
6th Nov '17 12:18:16 AM SonicHOG
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* CriticProof: Subverted. It was near-completely panned by critics and completely shut out of Tony Award nominations, but that didn't stop it from posting healthy grosses...for about five months. Once summer 2017 passed, ticket sales plunged. Half of the problem was that it opened just one day before the Broadway stage adaptation of Creator/DonBluth's ''WesternAnimation/{{Anastasia}}'', another critical dud courting families and nostalgic millennials, did; the other half was that ''Theatre/DearEvanHansen'' and ''Theatre/ComeFromAway'' broke out big in an extremely crowded season for new musicals, leaving slim pickings for other new shows no matter what reviews they received.

to:

* CriticProof: Subverted. It was near-completely panned by critics and completely shut out of Tony Award nominations, but that didn't stop it from posting healthy grosses...for about five months. Once summer 2017 passed, ticket sales plunged.plunged, though (as of early November 2017) they've started to rise albeit not to the amount the show made over the summer. Half of the problem was that it opened just one day before the Broadway stage adaptation of Creator/DonBluth's ''WesternAnimation/{{Anastasia}}'', another critical dud courting families and nostalgic millennials, did; the other half was that ''Theatre/DearEvanHansen'' and ''Theatre/ComeFromAway'' broke out big in an extremely crowded season for new musicals, leaving slim pickings for other new shows no matter what reviews they received.
3rd Nov '17 5:10:14 PM 8BrickMario
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* CounterpartComparison: A man seeks out terrible people, providing them with dangerous situations to test their morality, although they inevitably fail the test? Willy Wonka is the kid-friendly predecessor to [[{{Franchise/Saw}} Jigsaw!]]
28th Oct '17 4:12:32 AM Sapphirea2
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* CriticProof: Subverted. It was near-completely panned by critics and completely shut out of Tony Award nominations, but that didn't stop it from posting healthy grosses...for about five months. Once summer 2017 passed, ticket sales plunged. Half of the problem was that it opened just one day before the Broadway stage adaptation of Creator/DonBluth's ''WesternAnimation/{{Anastasia}}'', another critical dud courting families and nostalgic millennials, did; the other half was far more interest in ''Theatre/DearEvanHansen'' and ''Theatre/ComeFromAway'' in what was an extremely crowded season for new musicals.

to:

* CriticProof: Subverted. It was near-completely panned by critics and completely shut out of Tony Award nominations, but that didn't stop it from posting healthy grosses...for about five months. Once summer 2017 passed, ticket sales plunged. Half of the problem was that it opened just one day before the Broadway stage adaptation of Creator/DonBluth's ''WesternAnimation/{{Anastasia}}'', another critical dud courting families and nostalgic millennials, did; the other half was far more interest in that ''Theatre/DearEvanHansen'' and ''Theatre/ComeFromAway'' broke out big in what was an extremely crowded season for new musicals.musicals, leaving slim pickings for other new shows no matter what reviews they received.
25th Sep '17 12:28:57 PM Sapphirea2
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* PanderingToTheBase: "Pure Imagination" was incorporated into the score at the behest of the show's producers because so many people, when they heard about this show, thought it would be an adaptation of the 1971 movie. So to keep them from feeling ''too'' let down that it wasn't...

to:

* PanderingToTheBase: "Pure Imagination" was incorporated into the score at the behest of the show's producers because so many people, when they heard about this show, people thought it would be an adaptation of the 1971 movie. So to keep them from feeling ''too'' let down that it wasn't...



** There seems to be a near-even split, applying to both professional critics and ordinary showgoers, between those who prefer having the Four Bratty Kids played by adults and those who wish the original London production's conceit of just casting actual kids had been retained.
* CriticProof: It was near-completely panned by critics and completely shut out of Tony Award nominations, but has been posting healthy grosses thus far. It might be doing even better if it hadn't opened just one day before the Broadway stage adaptation of Creator/DonBluth's ''WesternAnimation/{{Anastasia}}'', which is also courting nostalgic millennials with even more success -- and also fits this trope.
* JustHereForGodzilla: To judge from the [=BroadwayWorld.com=] message boards, a lot of regular theatergoers are only seeing this show for Christian Borle (a two-time Tony Award winner) as Willy Wonka.
* PanderingToTheBase: The heavy revisions to the show from London are almost entirely motivated by pandering to fans of the story who 1) regard the 1971 film adaptation and its songs as definitive and/or 2) don't want to wait until the story's halfway point for Willy Wonka to show up.

to:

** There seems to be a near-even split, applying to both professional critics and ordinary showgoers, between those who prefer having the Four Bratty Kids played by adults and those who wish the original London production's conceit of just casting actual kids had been retained.
* CriticProof: Subverted. It was near-completely panned by critics and completely shut out of Tony Award nominations, but has been that didn't stop it from posting healthy grosses thus far. It might be doing even better if grosses...for about five months. Once summer 2017 passed, ticket sales plunged. Half of the problem was that it hadn't opened just one day before the Broadway stage adaptation of Creator/DonBluth's ''WesternAnimation/{{Anastasia}}'', which is also another critical dud courting families and nostalgic millennials with even millennials, did; the other half was far more success -- interest in ''Theatre/DearEvanHansen'' and also fits this trope.
''Theatre/ComeFromAway'' in what was an extremely crowded season for new musicals.
* JustHereForGodzilla: To judge from the [=BroadwayWorld.com=] message boards, a lot of regular adult theatergoers are only seeing saw this show for Christian Borle (a two-time Tony Award winner) as Willy Wonka.
* PanderingToTheBase: The heavy revisions to the show from London are almost entirely motivated by pandering to fans of the story who 1) regard the 1971 film adaptation and its songs as definitive and/or 2) don't want to wait until the story's halfway point for Willy Wonka to show up.



** Willy Wonka shows up in ''the show's opening scene'' and maintains a KingIncognito masquerade as the candy shop owner who strings Charlie along with never-fulfilled promises of free chocolate throughout Act One.

to:

** Willy Wonka shows up in ''the show's opening scene'' and maintains a KingIncognito masquerade as the candy shop owner who strings Charlie along with never-fulfilled promises of free chocolate throughout in Act One.
28th Aug '17 9:06:54 AM rufusluciusivan
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** So, Grandpa Joe has spent decades in bed, being waited on hand-and-foot by his daughter-in-law, while his son slaves away to earn the pittance that the family exists on. As soon as his grandson gets some good news, though, he's straight out of bad and taking the opportunity to be Charlie's escort. Which raises the question: Did the good news really jolt some life and vigor back into Grandpa Joe, or is he actually a lazy individual? The most recent major adaptation, the 2013 musical, outright declares it to be the former (as explained in "Don'cha Pinch Me Charlie"), while the latter take was spoofed in a February 2017 ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'' sketch.

to:

** So, Grandpa Joe has spent decades in bed, being waited on hand-and-foot by his daughter-in-law, while his son slaves away to earn the pittance that the family exists on. As soon as his grandson gets some good news, though, he's straight out of bad bed and taking the opportunity to be Charlie's escort. Which raises the question: Did the good news really jolt some life and vigor back into Grandpa Joe, or is he actually a lazy individual? The most recent major adaptation, the 2013 musical, outright declares it to be the former (as explained in "Don'cha Pinch Me Charlie"), while the latter take was spoofed in a February 2017 ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'' sketch.
17th Aug '17 8:11:02 AM OlfinBedwere
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Though no one ever mentions it, Violet's mother has clearly had some plastic surgery.

to:

** Though no one ever mentions it, Violet's mother has clearly had some plastic surgery. For that matter, when Violet turns into a blueberry it's quite obvious when Creator/AnnaSophiaRobb is replaced by a CGI version of Violet, and the change can be quite jarring, especially in the close-ups on her face.
7th Aug '17 8:24:06 PM annette12
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* RonTheDeathEater: Grandpa Joe is demonized by fans as an evil asshole who makes [[Literature/HarryPotter Dolores Umbridge]] look like a saint. In the book his worst "crime" is ''being lazy'': spending years in bed (instead of helping Charlie's poor parents) and then being suddenly able to walk when Charlie gets the Golden Ticket.
* TheScrappy: Grandpa Joe gets a lot of hate and there are entire blogs dedicated to bashing him, mainly because fans see him as a DesignatedHero. Particularly with his actions in the first movie adaptation where he is a bad influence on Charlie.


Added DiffLines:

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Grandpa Joe is supposed to be a CoolOldGuy who is very close to Charlie, yet many fans see him as a LazyBum and the biggest {{Jerkass}} in the story (see RonTheDeathEater).
6th Aug '17 11:47:52 AM OlfinBedwere
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** While Willy Wonka's bringing in Oompa-Loompas to run the factory was done for somewhat valid reasons -- many of his original workforce proved disloyal and kept selling his secrets to his competitors -- nowadays it would be viewed in a ''very'' different light. Depending on one's political leanings, either it would be viewed as Wonka exploiting people who had no concept of the value of money for his own gains, or it would be seen as him putting his former workforce out of a job and bringing in cheap foreign labour, again largely for his own gains.
This list shows the last 10 events of 350. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory