History YMMV / BlazBlueChronoPhantasma

20th Jul '17 4:13:12 PM ThraggLootrippa
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* PlayerPunch: The True Ending and Epilogue. [[spoiler:Ragna manages to destroy Take-Mikazuchi and free Nu from its core, Terumi is slain by Hakumen, and Relius is stripped of all of his resources. Relius' perfectionist attitude does not take failures well, causing him to suffer a massive breakdown, and he's now at the mercy of both his son whom he mocked before (and extremely traumatized casually long ago) AND the woman he's been playing like a puppet by using her love interest as leverage [[note]]with said son and woman actually caring about each other, meaning that their cooperation this time may open up a path to resolution or redemption[[/note]]. The heroes instate a good-natured, more proper leader (Homura, son of Tenjou) as the new (and rightful) Imperator of the NOL, which will help dispel its infamous reputation (in and out of universe) as [[TheEmpire a tyrannical organization]]. Happy ending? Wrong. Saya reveals herself as Izanami and the cast are completely helpless against her (Izanami never having required Terumi and Relius' help in the first place). Nu stabs Ragna in the back and Izanami forces his Grimoire to go out of control, turning him into a mindless berserker. Jin and Noel try to stop him, but are defeated (and in Jin's case, severely wounded). The epilogue has Rachel explain to a vengeful Tsubaki that either Jin or her have to kill Ragna before it's too late. Oh, and the new NOL, despite the alignment change, now ends up ''understaved'' due to Izanami's actions, meaning that facing her in the future will be even ''harder''[[note]]Not to mention, they only managed to instate Homura because Izanami ''lets them'' instead of them executing a proper takeover, and according to Kagura, only ''half of the Duodecim'' agrees to join up with him in rebelling and instating Homura, so in case everything's free, the new NOL may have to face insurgencies of pro-Homura and anti-Homura.[[/note]].]]

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* PlayerPunch: The True Ending and Epilogue. [[spoiler:Ragna manages to destroy Take-Mikazuchi and free Nu from its core, Terumi is slain by Hakumen, and Relius is stripped of all of his resources. Relius' perfectionist attitude does not take failures well, causing him to suffer a massive breakdown, and he's now at the mercy of both his son whom he mocked before (and extremely traumatized casually long ago) AND the woman he's been playing like a puppet by using her love interest as leverage [[note]]with said son and woman actually caring about each other, meaning that their cooperation this time may open up a path to resolution or redemption[[/note]]. The heroes instate a good-natured, more proper leader (Homura, son of Tenjou) as the new (and rightful) Imperator of the NOL, which will help dispel its infamous reputation (in and out of universe) as [[TheEmpire a tyrannical organization]]. Happy ending? Wrong. Saya reveals herself as Izanami and the cast are completely helpless against her (Izanami never having required Terumi and Relius' help in the first place). Nu stabs Ragna in the back and Izanami forces his Grimoire to go out of control, turning him into a mindless berserker. Jin and Noel try to stop him, but are defeated (and in Jin's case, severely wounded). The epilogue has Rachel explain to a vengeful Tsubaki that either Jin or her have to kill Ragna before it's too late. Oh, and the new NOL, despite the alignment change, now ends up ''understaved'' ''understaffed'' due to Izanami's actions, meaning that facing her in the future will be even ''harder''[[note]]Not to mention, they only managed to instate Homura because Izanami ''lets them'' instead of them executing a proper takeover, and according to Kagura, only ''half of the Duodecim'' agrees to join up with him in rebelling and instating Homura, so in case everything's free, the new NOL may have to face insurgencies of pro-Homura and anti-Homura.[[/note]].]]
30th Jun '17 5:32:39 PM Ogiga99
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* UnexpectedCharacter: Terumi. In the same vein as Izayoi, nobody ever suspected that ''Hazama'', of all people, would get a second form. That is, they didn't expect 1) Terumi being a different entity from Hazama all along, and 2) they're now separated into 2 bodies.
27th Apr '17 2:30:38 PM Ogiga99
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See also:
* [[AwesomeMusic/BlazBlue Awesome Music - BlazBlue]]
* [[BrokenBase/BlazBlue Broken Base - BlazBlue]]
* [[Fridge/BlazBlue The Fridge Entry]]
* [[Memes/BlazBlue Memetic Mutation - BlazBlue]]
* [[Woobie/BlazBlue The Woobie - BlazBlue]]
* The YMMV pages for [[YMMV/BlazBlue the whole series]], ''[[YMMV/BlazBlueCalamityTrigger Calamity Trigger]]'', ''[[YMMV/BlazBlueContinuumShift Continuum Shift]]'', ''[[YMMV/BlazBlueCentralFiction Central Fiction]]'' and ''[[YMMV/BlazblueRemixHeart Remix Heart]]''.
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* BrokenBase: The game may have gone over for the most part, but that still doesn't change a few controversial things people have claimed.
** Noel's original costume is a DLC set. Now normally this would be alright by itself, but then Arcsys decided to include her old Astral Heat, ''in addition to her new one.'' Which means that Noel is right now the only character in the series with two Astral Heats.
** The nixing of the individual character routes has led to some debates; some like the more streamlined experience, while others feel that the cast suffer from OutOfFocus as a result, particularly the newcomers (see TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter below).
*** And the decision to [[spoiler: kill off Terumi]]. Not so much that it was done, because he definitely had it coming, but the method in how it happened and who did it, with many feeling it should have been [[TheHero Ragna]]. [[spoiler: Hakumen engages Terumi(Now separate from Hazama) in the True Ending, and with some help from Trinity, kills him with a never before seen technique.]] It's either really [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome awesome]] or really {{anti|ClimaxBoss}}climactic. That said, the flames have cooled a bit since the [[VideoGame/BlazBlueCentralFiction next game]] [[spoiler: shows he's very much alive, albeit on borrowed time because of Hakumen's attack]]
*** And the ending as well. [[spoiler: Ragna "saves" Nu and takes her out of Take-Mikazuchi's core and has Celica heal her, no longer having any desire to destroy her. Hades/Saya shows up and the cast are helpless against her; at which point she commands for Ragna's grimoire to go out of control and morph him into Black Beast like creature similar to his bad ending in ''Continuum Shift.''(And this is after Nu literally stabs him in the back) Ragna loses control of his body, and critically injures Jin and Noel. In the epilogue, Tsubaki decides to go after Ragna to kill him herself and Rachel tells her that she or Jin need to kill him soon before he becomes an even bigger problem.]] Ragna always got the short end of the stick, but this is when some people just started to throw their hands up in frustration with the series` treatment of the main character, while others maintain that this is simply the series going through its DarkestHour and such was to be expected at some point.
** And the inevitable [[UpdatedRerelease re-release]] of the game of course has gotten this reaction.
*** While any changes buff nerfs or otherwise will have some degree of a broken base, CPE's balance changes are easily the most divisive to date.
*** There ended up being enough people annoyed at the rerelease that [[http://www.siliconera.com/2015/01/28/evo-organizer-on-why-king-of-fighters-was-dropped-mortal-kombat-x-and-more/ it's cited as the main reason why [=BlazBlue=] wasn't at EVO 2015]].
20th Apr '17 3:08:02 PM Ogiga99
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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** [[NiceGuy Celica A. Mercury]] as well. Reading of the Phase Shift novels aside, those who like her find her sunny attitude and cute demeanor enjoyable, whereas her detractors consider her an unbearable Mary Sue who everyone speaks highly of and cares for, seems to completely dominate Ragna's character and story development and generally acts too foolish even in serious scenes. Her becoming a playable character has only fanned the flames.
** [[HandsomeLech Kagura Mutsuki]], although to a much lesser extent than Celica. Some love his laid-back yet genuinely helpful personality and his efforts towards trying to fight the corruption within the series. Others hate him for, similar to Celica, [[SpotlightStealingSquad taking screentime away from other established characters]] and find his perverseness obnoxious and a case of DudeNotFunny.
20th Apr '17 2:57:44 PM Ogiga99
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: While newcomers Amane and Bullet have their fans (especially [[MsFanservice Bullet]]), Azrael is the most well-received character out of all the newcomers, due to possibly being even more RatedMForManly than Bang, and the fact that his [[Creator/HirokiYasumoto Japanese voice actor's]] previous role was a [[VideoGame/AsurasWrath certain six-armed god killer]] gives him even more popularity points.
** Speaking of, [[http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/nKr7fWFS_Js/maxresdefault.jpg this]] rendition of Bullet in a Ragna-inspired outfit has gotten a surprising amount of attention--and fanart--from people. She just can't help but look good in that BadassLongcoat.
20th Apr '17 2:47:03 PM Ogiga99
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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** [[NiceGuy Celica A. Mercury]] as well. Reading of the Phase Shift novels aside, those who like her find her sunny attitude and cute demeanor enjoyable, whereas her detractors consider her an unbearable Mary Sue who everyone speaks highly of and cares for, seems to completely dominate Ragna's character and story development and generally acts too foolish even in serious scenes. Her becoming a playable character has only fanned the flames.
** [[HandsomeLech Kagura Mutsuki]], although to a much lesser extent than Celica. Some love his laid-back yet genuinely helpful personality and his efforts towards trying to fight the corruption within the series. Others hate him for, similar to Celica, [[SpotlightStealingSquad taking screentime away from other established characters]] and find his perverseness obnoxious and a case of DudeNotFunny.



BaseBreakingCharacter:
** [[NiceGuy Celica A. Mercury]] as well. Reading of the Phase Shift novels aside, those who like her find her sunny attitude and cute demeanor enjoyable, whereas her detractors consider her an unbearable Mary Sue who everyone speaks highly of and cares for, seems to completely dominate Ragna's character and story development and generally acts too foolish even in serious scenes. Her becoming a playable character has only fanned the flames.
** [[HandsomeLech Kagura Mutsuki]], although to a much lesser extent than Celica. Some love his laid-back yet genuinely helpful personality and his efforts towards trying to fight the corruption within the series. Others hate him for, similar to Celica, [[SpotlightStealingSquad taking screentime away from other established characters]] and find his perverseness obnoxious and a case of DudeNotFunny.
20th Apr '17 2:45:49 PM Ogiga99
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: ** Continuing the ''CS'' entry, ASW furthered their efforts by making Litchi look obviously not very pleased with working with Hazama/NOL and her ending involves her finally realizing how foolish her actions are. To top it off, ASW then tried pulling this with the NOL in general so they don't look like an always-evil [[TheEmpire empire]] thanks to the addition of Kagura Mutsuki. Head of the biggest and most powerful Duodecim family and a Colonel within the NOL, he's still an actually cool dude who'd shelter Noel and Makoto and chat with them with a smile even if they're public criminals.
[[spoiler:''CP'' actually zig-zags this for Litchi. First she's shown to be not very pleased against Hazama and Relius despite working with them, but then they made it that she didn't have a HeelRealization and instead plunged her into further depression to the point of helping Relius in attempting to reset the world. However, they've given enough hints that she's still unhappy with the choice and it was only because it's the only path available to her, making her show remorse, then proceeds to break down Relius and [[ThrowTheDogABone freed Litchi from his manipulations and gave her Carl to hang around with so she may temper her obsession in the future]]. Whether the saving throw succeeds is up to the player's exercise.]]

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: ** Continuing the ''CS'' entry, ASW furthered their efforts by making Litchi look obviously not very pleased with working with Hazama/NOL and her ending involves her finally realizing how foolish her actions are. To top it off, ASW then tried pulling this with the NOL in general so they don't look like an always-evil [[TheEmpire empire]] thanks to the addition of Kagura Mutsuki. Head of the biggest and most powerful Duodecim family and a Colonel within the NOL, he's still an actually cool dude who'd shelter Noel and Makoto and chat with them with a smile even if they're public criminals.
** [[spoiler:''CP'' actually zig-zags this for Litchi. First she's shown to be not very pleased against Hazama and Relius despite working with them, but then they made it that she didn't have a HeelRealization and instead plunged her into further depression to the point of helping Relius in attempting to reset the world. However, they've given enough hints that she's still unhappy with the choice and it was only because it's the only path available to her, making her show remorse, then proceeds to break down Relius and [[ThrowTheDogABone freed Litchi from his manipulations and gave her Carl to hang around with so she may temper her obsession in the future]]. Whether the saving throw succeeds is up to the player's exercise.]]
9th Apr '17 3:05:32 PM darkabomination
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Continuing the ''CS'' entry, ASW furthered their efforts by making Litchi look obviously not very pleased with working with Hazama/NOL and her ending involves her finally realizing how foolish her actions are. To top it off, ASW then tried pulling this with the NOL in general so they don't look like an always-evil [[TheEmpire empire]] thanks to the addition of Kagura Mutsuki. Head of the biggest and most powerful Duodecim family and a Colonel within the NOL, he's still an actually cool dude who'd shelter Noel and Makoto and chat with them with a smile even if they're public criminals.
** [[spoiler:''CP'' actually zig-zags this for Litchi. First she's shown to be not very pleased against Hazama and Relius despite working with them, but then they made it that she didn't have a HeelRealization and instead plunged her into further depression to the point of helping Relius in attempting to reset the world. However, they've given enough hints that she's still unhappy with the choice and it was only because it's the only path available to her, making her show remorse, then proceeds to break down Relius and [[ThrowTheDogABone freed Litchi from his manipulations and gave her Carl to hang around with so she may temper her obsession in the future]]. Whether the saving throw succeeds is up to the player's exercise.]]

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: ** Continuing the ''CS'' entry, ASW furthered their efforts by making Litchi look obviously not very pleased with working with Hazama/NOL and her ending involves her finally realizing how foolish her actions are. To top it off, ASW then tried pulling this with the NOL in general so they don't look like an always-evil [[TheEmpire empire]] thanks to the addition of Kagura Mutsuki. Head of the biggest and most powerful Duodecim family and a Colonel within the NOL, he's still an actually cool dude who'd shelter Noel and Makoto and chat with them with a smile even if they're public criminals.
** [[spoiler:''CP'' actually zig-zags this for Litchi. First she's shown to be not very pleased against Hazama and Relius despite working with them, but then they made it that she didn't have a HeelRealization and instead plunged her into further depression to the point of helping Relius in attempting to reset the world. However, they've given enough hints that she's still unhappy with the choice and it was only because it's the only path available to her, making her show remorse, then proceeds to break down Relius and [[ThrowTheDogABone freed Litchi from his manipulations and gave her Carl to hang around with so she may temper her obsession in the future]]. Whether the saving throw succeeds is up to the player's exercise.]]



* BrokenBase[=/=]BaseBreaker: The game may have gone over for the most part, but that still doesn't change a few controversial things people have claimed.

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* BrokenBase[=/=]BaseBreaker: BrokenBase: The game may have gone over for the most part, but that still doesn't change a few controversial things people have claimed.



** [[http://www.siliconera.com/2014/04/08/happened-blazblue-chrono-phantasmas-library-mode-arc-system-works-usa-responds/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+siliconera%2FMkOc+%28Siliconera%29 The removal of Library Mode from the US]] version has also attracted a lot of ire from fans who wanted it to clarify the story better. This was rectified in ''Extend'' which features Library mode in all regions.
** [[NiceGuy Celica A. Mercury]] as well. Reading of the Phase Shift novels aside, those who like her find her sunny attitude and cute demeanor enjoyable, whereas her detractors consider her an unbearable Mary Sue who everyone speaks highly of and cares for, seems to completely dominate Ragna's character and story development and generally acts too foolish even in serious scenes. Her becoming a playable character has only fanned the flames.



*** There ended up being enough people annoyed at the rerelease that [[http://www.siliconera.com/2015/01/28/evo-organizer-on-why-king-of-fighters-was-dropped-mortal-kombat-x-and-more/ it's cited as the main reason why [=BlazBlue=] isn't gong to be at EVO 2015]].

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*** There ended up being enough people annoyed at the rerelease that [[http://www.siliconera.com/2015/01/28/evo-organizer-on-why-king-of-fighters-was-dropped-mortal-kombat-x-and-more/ it's cited as the main reason why [=BlazBlue=] isn't gong to be wasn't at EVO 2015]].2015]].
BaseBreakingCharacter:
** [[NiceGuy Celica A. Mercury]] as well. Reading of the Phase Shift novels aside, those who like her find her sunny attitude and cute demeanor enjoyable, whereas her detractors consider her an unbearable Mary Sue who everyone speaks highly of and cares for, seems to completely dominate Ragna's character and story development and generally acts too foolish even in serious scenes. Her becoming a playable character has only fanned the flames.
10th Nov '16 11:11:50 PM Getta
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* CrazyAwesome: Kokonoe's fighting style when she's finally a playable character, consisting of her pulling out various ridiculous weapons and gadgets and having Distortion where she summons a giant Golden Tager to fire a gun.

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* CrazyAwesome: Kokonoe's fighting style when she's finally a playable character, consisting of her pulling out various ridiculous weapons and gadgets and having Distortion Drive where she summons a giant Golden Tager to fire a gun.WaveMotionGun.



** Azrael is a small example, he's Mori's god mod sue parody of Guilty Gear's [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Slayer]] and Akuma from Street Fighter who has beaten(if not stalemated) everyone in the roster while holding back and managing to be stronger than the main character till the very end.

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** Azrael is a small example, he's Mori's god mod god-mode sue parody of Guilty Gear's [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Slayer]] and Akuma from Street Fighter who has beaten(if beaten (if not stalemated) everyone in the roster while holding back and managing to be stronger than the main character till the very end.



* EvilIsCool: Azreal is this games best example going out of its way to make a character an unstoppable badass and making him look good while doing so.

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* EvilIsCool: Azreal Azrael is this games game's best example of going out of its way to make a character an unstoppable badass and making him look good while doing so.



** It's YMMV for a reason in this. Litchi helping the above 'for a world where Roy lived' is considered by her detractors as this, regardless of her remorse and dislike that comes with it. Even her supporters think that while she gets better in the next game and continue to be a sympathetic woman, this one action is considered her black mark and her lowest point that will not go away that easily, she may [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn her break from torment]] [[VideoGame/BlazBlueCentralFiction next game]], but [[ForgivenButNotForgotten while people can still think of her as sympathetic, forgetting this one black mark is easier said than done.]]

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** It's YMMV for a reason in this. Litchi helping the above 'for a world where Roy lived' is considered by her detractors as this, regardless of her remorse and dislike that comes with it. Even her supporters think that while she gets better in the next game and continue to be a sympathetic woman, this one action is considered her black mark and her lowest point that will not go away that easily, she may [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn her break from torment]] [[VideoGame/BlazBlueCentralFiction next game]], but [[ForgivenButNotForgotten while people can still think of her as sympathetic, forgetting this one black mark is easier said than done.]]



** Mu and Izayoi also qualify, [[PlayingWithATrope sort of]]. In story mode they're treated as {{Super Mode}}s for Noel and Tsubaki respectively, whom both get plenty of spotlight as it is. However, while both girls get enormous CharacterDevelopment to attain these forms, they're actually very underutilized and you only get to use them in one fight each. [[spoiler:Mu shows up a good portion into the story, and Noel only uses it to fight Nu (she loses), open an invisible door, and fight a berserk Ragna off-screen (which is another loss). Izayoi shows up even later than Mu does, and after Tsubaki gains control over the form the only thing she does with it is fight Carl. Although Izayoi might fare a bit better since Tsubaki is going to attempt to kill Ragna with it after he injured Jin and Noel. Should she or Jin fail to do so, Tsubaki will use it to kill Rachel as per her request. Also, you'd probably expect Mu and Izayoi to have a climactic fight ''against'' each other - they don't.]]

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** Mu and Izayoi also qualify, [[PlayingWithATrope sort of]]. In story mode they're treated as {{Super Mode}}s for Noel and Tsubaki respectively, whom both get plenty of spotlight as it is. However, while both girls get enormous CharacterDevelopment to attain these forms, they're actually very underutilized and you only get to use them in one fight each. [[spoiler:Mu shows up a good portion into the story, and Noel only uses it to fight Nu (she loses), open an invisible door, and fight a berserk Ragna off-screen (which is another loss). Izayoi shows up even later than Mu does, and after Tsubaki gains control over the form the only thing she does with it is fight Carl. Although Izayoi might fare a bit better since Tsubaki is going to attempt to kill Ragna with it after he injured Jin and Noel. Should she or Jin fail to do so, Tsubaki will use it to kill Rachel as per her request. Also, you'd probably expect Mu and Izayoi to have a climactic fight ''against'' each other - they don't.only do so in Izayoi's arcade, which isn't shown in the story.]]
10th Nov '16 10:25:37 PM ChrisX
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** It's YMMV for a reason in this. Litchi helping the above 'for a world where Roy lived' is considered by her detractors as this, regardless of her remorse and dislike that comes with it. Even her supporters think that while she gets better in the next game and continue to be a sympathetic woman, this one action is considered her black mark and her lowest point that will not go away that easily, she may [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn her break from torment]] [[VideoGame/BlazBlueCentralFiction next game]], but [[ForgivenButNotForgotten while people can still think of her as sympathetic, forgetting this one black mark is easier said than done.]]
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