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* WhamLine: What allows Batman to discover the Red Hood's identity?
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* OneSceneWonder: ComicBook/TaliaAlGhul appears only briefly wielding a [[CoolGuns Luger]].

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* OneSceneWonder: ComicBook/TaliaAlGhul appears only briefly, EvilIsSexy as always and wielding a [[CoolGuns Luger]].

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* QuestionableCasting:
** Reactions to Creator/JohnDiMaggio's casting as Joker were... mixed, to say the least. The release of the character models featuring a burlier-than-usual Joker eased concerns somewhat. Then the film was released and a lot of those who doubted he could pull off the role did a complete 180.
** Audiences were also skeptical of Creator/JensenAckles playing a lead character, as he had never done voice acting work prior to this film. Again, he proved them wrong.
** And anyone other than Creator/KevinConroy as ComicBook/{{Batman}} raises suspicions. But Creator/BruceGreenwood did a good job, especially as a Batman who's supposed to be a little older than we normally see him (though he's one year ''younger'' than Kevin Conroy). He would later reprise the role for ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice2010'' where he received even more praise as a Batman who's decidedly a very good and encouraging mentor.



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** Reactions to Creator/JohnDiMaggio's casting as Joker were... mixed, to say the least. The release of the character models featuring a burlier-than-usual Joker eased concerns somewhat. Then the film was released and a lot of those who doubted he could pull off the role did a complete 180.
** Audiences were also skeptical of Creator/JensenAckles playing a lead character, as he had never done voice acting work prior to this film. Again, he proved them wrong.
** And anyone other than Creator/KevinConroy as ComicBook/{{Batman}} raises suspicions. But Creator/BruceGreenwood did a good job, especially as a Batman who's supposed to be a little older than we normally see him (though he's one year ''younger'' than Kevin Conroy). He would later reprise the role for ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice2010'' where he received even more praise as a Batman who's decidedly a very good and encouraging mentor.
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** Red Hood killing the Joker would not be this. Him [[spoiler:handing Batman a pistol and telling ''him'' to do it is. Red Hood has had ample time and opportunity to kill the Joker if he really wanted to, but here he shows that what he ''really'' wants is for Batman to demonstrate he'd be willing to break his moral code for the Red Hood's sake, a demand that boils down to Red Hood's selfish interest[[note]]Jason Todd was Bruce Wayne's adopted son at the time of his death and had been raised by Bruce to think of fathers as vengeful for their sons, so less selfish and more of forcing Bruce to meet the expectation he had laid out for him when they were Batman and Robin. But it could be seen as selfish for someone who has not read Jason's entire run[[/note]] that Batman demonstrate he's the most important person in his life.]] If that still doesn't count, he definitely crosses it when he [[spoiler:fires at Batman when he tries to walk away.]]
* OlderThanTheyThink:

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** Red Hood killing the Joker would not be this. Him [[spoiler:handing [[spoiler:throwing Batman a pistol and telling ''him'' to do it is. Red Hood Jason has had ample time and opportunity to kill the Joker if he really wanted to, at his leisure and Bruce would never know, but here he shows that what he ''really'' wants from all this is for Batman Bruce to demonstrate he'd be willing to break his moral code for the Red Hood's sake, a demand that boils down to Red Hood's selfish interest[[note]]Jason Todd was Bruce Wayne's adopted son at the time of his death and had been raised by Bruce to think of fathers as vengeful for their sons, so less selfish and more of forcing Bruce to meet the expectation he had laid out for him when they were Batman and Robin. But it could be seen as selfish for someone who has not read Jason's entire run[[/note]] sake and prove that Batman demonstrate he's Jason is/was the most important person in his life.]] If that life]]. And while this is still doesn't count, somewhat sympathetic, he definitely ''definitely'' crosses it when he [[spoiler:fires at Batman when he tries to walk away.]]
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Jason himself seems unsure if his new outlook on life is due to the Lazarus Pit's influence or his true personality coming out of the woodworks. Though he claims it's the latter, the evidence doesn't lend to it with how Jason as Robin would defer to Batman and follow his lead, albeit reluctantly. ''Or'', he could be lashing out from the trauma of being beaten to death and then blown up and is expressing his anger in an unhealthy fashion.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Jason himself seems unsure if his new outlook on life is due to the Lazarus Pit's influence or his true personality coming out of the woodworks. Though he claims it's the latter, the evidence doesn't lend to it with how Jason as Robin would defer to Batman and follow his lead, albeit reluctantly. ''Or'', he could be lashing out from the trauma of being beaten to death and then blown up and is expressing his anger in an unhealthy fashion. Considering he's shown still willing to take a ''bullet'' for Bruce in spite of everything...
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** Batman thanking Nightwing: a heartwarming moment or just Batman trying to get Nightwing to leave after he starts to suspect who Red Hood really is?
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* BrokenBase: While [[spoiler: forcing Batman to kill the Joker is unquestionably wrong]], the Red Hood forces the audience to ask: Is Batman right not to want to kill the Joker out of fear of becoming bad? Or is he irresponsible for not knocking off a man who has gleefully hurt and killed countless people and will keep doing so?

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* BrokenBase: While [[spoiler: forcing Batman to kill the Joker is unquestionably wrong]], crossing a line for most]], the Red Hood forces the audience to ask: Is Batman right not to want to kill the Joker out of fear of becoming bad? Or is he irresponsible for not knocking off a man who has gleefully hurt and killed countless people and will keep doing so?
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** Red Hood killing the Joker would not be this. Him [[spoiler:handing Batman a pistol and telling ''him'' to do it is. Red Hood has had ample time and opportunity to kill the Joker if he really wanted to, but here he shows that what he ''really'' wants is for Batman to demonstrate he'd be willing to break his moral code for the Red Hood's sake, a demand that boils down to Red Hood's selfish interest that Batman demonstrate he's the most important person in his life.]] If that still doesn't count, he definitely crosses it when he [[spoiler:fires at Batman when he tries to walk away.]]

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** Red Hood killing the Joker would not be this. Him [[spoiler:handing Batman a pistol and telling ''him'' to do it is. Red Hood has had ample time and opportunity to kill the Joker if he really wanted to, but here he shows that what he ''really'' wants is for Batman to demonstrate he'd be willing to break his moral code for the Red Hood's sake, a demand that boils down to Red Hood's selfish interest interest[[note]]Jason Todd was Bruce Wayne's adopted son at the time of his death and had been raised by Bruce to think of fathers as vengeful for their sons, so less selfish and more of forcing Bruce to meet the expectation he had laid out for him when they were Batman and Robin. But it could be seen as selfish for someone who has not read Jason's entire run[[/note]] that Batman demonstrate he's the most important person in his life.]] If that still doesn't count, he definitely crosses it when he [[spoiler:fires at Batman when he tries to walk away.]]

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* CantUnhearIt: Creator/BruceGreenwood's performance as Batman both here and in ''WesternAnimation/{{Young Justice|2010}}'' has put him right up there with Creator/KevinConroy as one of the definitive voices of the Dark Knight.



* DracoInLeatherPants: The Red Hood [[spoiler: Jason Todd]] is likable for his NobleDemon characteristics, actual leather clothes, making a fool out of the Black Mask, [[spoiler: and getting well deserved revenge on the Joker]]. He seems like a cool guy...unless you remember he is guilty of countless murders.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: The Red Hood [[spoiler: Jason Todd]] is likable for his NobleDemon characteristics, tragic backstory, actual leather clothes, making a fool out of the Black Mask, [[spoiler: and getting well deserved some well-deserved revenge on the Joker]]. He seems like a cool guy... unless you remember he is that he's guilty of countless murders.
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** The Joker's very existence is causing human beings as much pain and suffering as possible. Some find Batman allowing this man to live is plain irresponsible. Killing him can easily be argued as self-defense.

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** The Joker's very existence is causing human beings as much pain and suffering as possible. Some find Batman allowing this man to live is plain irresponsible. Killing him can easily be argued as self-defense. [[FridgeLogic Of course]], this doesn't explain why ''no one else'' tries to kill The Joker when Batman isn't looking.

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* EvilIsCool: The Red Hood is a criminal, but an incredibly badass criminal who operates under a moral code, makes mincemeat of the Black Mask, [[spoiler: and seriously challenges Batman's moral code]].

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The Red Hood is a criminal, but an incredibly badass criminal who operates under a moral code, makes mincemeat of the Black Mask, [[spoiler: and seriously challenges Batman's moral code]].code]].
** The Joker is a monstrously evil killer...but he's entertainingly evil with a twisted sense of humor to boot.
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** The Red Hood is clearly off the deep end and has committed serious crimes, but he still manages to retain a [[NobleDemon moral code]] in his criminal enterprise. [[spoiler: Jason himself says he would never murder the less evil of members Batman's Rogue Gallery who haven't crossed any serious lines.]] Killing one gleefully evil and monstrous human being doesn't automatically make you just as evil.

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** The Red Hood is clearly off the deep end and has committed serious crimes, but he still manages to retain a [[NobleDemon moral code]] in his criminal enterprise. [[spoiler: Jason himself says he would never murder the less evil of members Batman's Rogue Gallery who haven't crossed any serious lines.]] Killing one extremely, gleefully evil and monstrous human being doesn't automatically make you just as evil.
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** The Red Hood is clearly off the deep end and has committed serious crimes, but he still manages to retain a [[NobleDemon moral code]] in his criminal enterprise. [[spoiler:Jason himself says he would never murder the less evil of Batman's Rogue Gallery who haven't crossed any serious lines.]] Killing one extremely monstrous human being doesn't automatically make you a completely evil monster.

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** The Red Hood is clearly off the deep end and has committed serious crimes, but he still manages to retain a [[NobleDemon moral code]] in his criminal enterprise. [[spoiler:Jason [[spoiler: Jason himself says he would never murder the less evil of members Batman's Rogue Gallery who haven't crossed any serious lines.]] Killing one extremely gleefully evil and monstrous human being doesn't automatically make you a completely evil monster.just as evil.
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* BrokenBase: While [[spoiler: forcing Batman to kill the Joker is unquestionably wrong]], the Red Hood forces the audience to ask: Is Batman right not to want to kill the Joker out of fear of becoming bad? Or is he irresponsible for not knocking off a man whose killed and hurt countless people?
* CatharsisFactor: The ComicBook/RedHood earns RootingForTheEmpire points with his actions. He unleashes a machine gun on Black Mask's drug dealers, aiming a gun at the man in question, and [[spoiler:showing ComicBook/TheJoker exactly what it's like to be beaten up with a crowbar while tied up, even managing to get the clown to [[OhCrap panic in fear]] ]]. The last scene is pretty awesome even as it shows Jason has no more compunctions.

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* BrokenBase: While [[spoiler: forcing Batman to kill the Joker is unquestionably wrong]], the Red Hood forces the audience to ask: Is Batman right not to want to kill the Joker out of fear of becoming bad? Or is he irresponsible for not knocking off a man whose who has gleefully hurt and killed and hurt countless people?
people and will keep doing so?
* CatharsisFactor: The ComicBook/RedHood earns RootingForTheEmpire points with his actions. He unleashes a machine gun on Black Mask's drug dealers, aiming a gun at the man in question, and [[spoiler:showing ComicBook/TheJoker exactly what it's like to be beaten up with a crowbar while tied up, even managing to get the clown to [[OhCrap panic in fear]] ]].fear]]]]. The last scene is pretty awesome even as it shows Jason has no more compunctions.

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* BrokenBase: While [[spoiler: forcing Batman to kill the Joker is unquestionably wrong]], the Red Hood forces the audience to ask: Is Batman right not to want to kill the Joker out of fear of becoming bad? Or is he irresponsible for not knocking off a man whose killed and hurt countless people?



* DracoInLeatherPants: The Red Hood [[spoiler: Jason Todd]] is likable for his NobleDemon characteristics, actual leather clothes, [[spoiler: and getting well deserved revenge on the Joker]]. He seems like a cool guy...unless you remember he is guilty of countless murders.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: The Red Hood [[spoiler: Jason Todd]] is likable for his NobleDemon characteristics, actual leather clothes, making a fool out of the Black Mask, [[spoiler: and getting well deserved revenge on the Joker]]. He seems like a cool guy...unless you remember he is guilty of countless murders.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: The Red Hood [[spoiler: Jason Todd]] is likable for his NobleDemon characteristics, actual leather clothes, [[spoiler: and getting well deserved revenge on the Joker]]. He seems like a cool guy...unless you remember he is guilty of countless murders.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Many fans prefer the film's explanation for Jason's resurrection [[note]] bathed in the Lazarus Pit [[/note]] over the comic one [[note]] where it was the result of Superboy-Prime essentially ''punching'' reality itself [[/note]], since the film version simplifies things and keeps things condensed to Batman's corner of the DC Universe. Newer versions of Jason's story in the comics borrow from this.
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* SignatureScene:
** The final confrontation between Batman, Red Hood, and the Joker.
** The Joker's vicious and gruesome killing of Black Mask's henchman with a glass of water.
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* BetterThanCanon: As stated under AuthorsSavingThrow above, fans preferred this film's simplified explanation as to how Jason came back, over the comic book version.
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** Crossing over into TearJerker -- Red Hood's boast about becoming a better Batman than Bruce becomes harder to swallow after the ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' episode "[[Recap/YoungJusticeS1E22Agendas Agendas]]", where Batman admits that he trained Dick as Robin to ensure that he wouldn't turn out like him.

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** Crossing over into TearJerker -- Red Hood's boast about becoming a better Batman than Bruce becomes harder to swallow after the ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice2010'' episode "[[Recap/YoungJusticeS1E22Agendas Agendas]]", where Batman admits that he trained Dick as Robin to ensure that he wouldn't turn out like him.



** And anyone other than Creator/KevinConroy as ComicBook/{{Batman}} raises suspicions. But Creator/BruceGreenwood did a good job, especially as a Batman who's supposed to be a little older than we normally see him (though he's one year ''younger'' than Kevin Conroy). He would later reprise the role for ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' where he received even more praise as a Batman who's decidedly a very good and encouraging mentor.

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** And anyone other than Creator/KevinConroy as ComicBook/{{Batman}} raises suspicions. But Creator/BruceGreenwood did a good job, especially as a Batman who's supposed to be a little older than we normally see him (though he's one year ''younger'' than Kevin Conroy). He would later reprise the role for ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice2010'' where he received even more praise as a Batman who's decidedly a very good and encouraging mentor.
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* MagnificentBastard: The titular "ComicBook/RedHood" is in truth the resurrected second Robin, [[Characters/BatmanJasonTodd Jason Todd]], revived from his brutal death at the hands of ComicBook/TheJoker and seeking both revenge and to continue his war on crime. Deciding that crime can't be stopped, merely managed, Red Hood is introduced taking control of a massive chunk of Gotham's crime bosses, showing them the heads of their lieutenants and threatening to do worse to them should they refuse his rule, Red Hood prohibits the sale of drugs to children and creates a far more organized crime syndicate while taking on the last established boss, Black Mask. Red Hood routinely outsmarts and humiliates Black Mask while simultaneously evading capture from his former mentor ComicBook/{{Batman}}, and soon enough, Red Hood's master plan to drive Black Mask into releasing the Joker comes to fruition. Capturing his killer, Red Hood brutalizes Joker and then confronts Batman over his [[ThouShaltNotKill no-killing rule]], calling him out on not avenging Jason Todd when Joker killed him before trying to coax Batman into finishing the Joker off once and for all. Giving Batman one of the harshest moral, physical, and intellectual battles of his life, Red Hood very nearly succeeds in his schemes, and serves as a testament that Batman's more lenient methods may not be the best way to handle Gotham's crime.

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* MagnificentBastard: The titular "ComicBook/RedHood" is in truth the resurrected second Robin, [[Characters/BatmanJasonTodd Jason Todd]], revived from his brutal death at the hands of ComicBook/TheJoker and seeking both revenge and to continue his war on crime. Deciding that crime can't be stopped, merely managed, Red Hood is introduced taking control of a massive chunk of Gotham's crime bosses, showing them the heads of their lieutenants and threatening to do worse to them should they refuse his rule, Red Hood prohibits the sale of drugs to children and creates a far more organized crime syndicate while taking on the last established boss, Black Mask. Red Hood routinely outsmarts and humiliates Black Mask while simultaneously evading capture from his former mentor ComicBook/{{Batman}}, [[Characters/BatmanTheCharacter Batman]], and soon enough, Red Hood's master plan to drive Black Mask into releasing the Joker comes to fruition. Capturing his killer, Red Hood brutalizes Joker and then confronts Batman over his [[ThouShaltNotKill no-killing rule]], calling him out on not avenging Jason Todd when Joker killed him before trying to coax Batman into finishing the Joker off once and for all. Giving Batman one of the harshest moral, physical, and intellectual battles of his life, Red Hood very nearly succeeds in his schemes, and serves as a testament that Batman's more lenient methods may not be the best way to handle Gotham's crime.
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* MagnificentBastard: The titular "ComicBook/RedHood" is in truth the resurrected second Robin, Jason Todd, revived from his brutal death at the hands of ComicBook/TheJoker and seeking both revenge and to continue his war on crime. Deciding that crime can't be stopped, merely managed, Red Hood is introduced taking control of a massive chunk of Gotham's crime bosses, showing them the heads of their lieutenants and threatening to do worse to them should they refuse his rule, Red Hood prohibits the sale of drugs to children and creates a far more organized crime syndicate while taking on the last established boss, Black Mask. Red Hood routinely outsmarts and humiliates Black Mask while simultaneously evading capture from his former mentor ComicBook/{{Batman}}, and soon enough, Red Hood's master plan to drive Black Mask into releasing the Joker comes to fruition. Capturing his killer, Red Hood brutalizes Joker and then confronts Batman over his [[ThouShaltNotKill no-killing rule]], calling him out on not avenging Jason Todd when Joker killed him before trying to coax Batman into finishing the Joker off once and for all. Giving Batman one of the harshest moral, physical, and intellectual battles of his life, Red Hood very nearly succeeds in his schemes, and serves as a testament that Batman's more lenient methods may not be the best way to handle Gotham's crime.

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* MagnificentBastard: The titular "ComicBook/RedHood" is in truth the resurrected second Robin, [[Characters/BatmanJasonTodd Jason Todd, Todd]], revived from his brutal death at the hands of ComicBook/TheJoker and seeking both revenge and to continue his war on crime. Deciding that crime can't be stopped, merely managed, Red Hood is introduced taking control of a massive chunk of Gotham's crime bosses, showing them the heads of their lieutenants and threatening to do worse to them should they refuse his rule, Red Hood prohibits the sale of drugs to children and creates a far more organized crime syndicate while taking on the last established boss, Black Mask. Red Hood routinely outsmarts and humiliates Black Mask while simultaneously evading capture from his former mentor ComicBook/{{Batman}}, and soon enough, Red Hood's master plan to drive Black Mask into releasing the Joker comes to fruition. Capturing his killer, Red Hood brutalizes Joker and then confronts Batman over his [[ThouShaltNotKill no-killing rule]], calling him out on not avenging Jason Todd when Joker killed him before trying to coax Batman into finishing the Joker off once and for all. Giving Batman one of the harshest moral, physical, and intellectual battles of his life, Red Hood very nearly succeeds in his schemes, and serves as a testament that Batman's more lenient methods may not be the best way to handle Gotham's crime.

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* EvilIsCool: The Red Hood is a criminal, but an incredibly badass criminal who operates under a moral code, makes mincemeat of the Black Mask, [[spoiler: and seriously challenges Batman's moral code]].



* SignatureScene: The final confrontation between Batman, Red Hood, and the Joker.

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** The Joker's vicious and gruesome killing of Black Mask's henchman with a glass of water.
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* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler:A resurrected Jason Todd, the second Robin, is the ComicBook/RedHood.]] For comic book fans, this is common knowledge and the film barely tries to treat it as a genuine mystery for even half of its runtime.

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* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler:A resurrected Jason Todd, the second Robin, is the ComicBook/RedHood.]] For comic book fans, this is common knowledge and the film barely tries to treat it as a genuine mystery for even half of its runtime.mystery.
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* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler:A resurrected Jason Todd, the second Robin, is the ComicBook/RedHood.]] For comic book fans, this is common knowledge and the film barely tries to treat it as a genuine mystery for long.

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* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler:A resurrected Jason Todd, the second Robin, is the ComicBook/RedHood.]] For comic book fans, this is common knowledge and the film barely tries to treat it as a genuine mystery for long.even half of its runtime.
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** The comic itself is somewhat of an ''inversion''. A popular phrase used to be "Nobody stays dead in comics except [[ComicBook/BuckyBarnes Bucky Barnes]], Jason Todd, and [[ComicBook/SpiderMan Uncle Ben]]". Due to ''ComicBook/CaptainAmericaWinterSoldier'' being released the same year, Uncle Ben is now the only one who's ''stayed'' dead.[[note]]Not counting a very brief time he was resurrected in issue #500 of ComicBook/JMSSpiderMan.[[/note]]

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** The comic itself is somewhat of an ''inversion''. A popular phrase used to be "Nobody stays dead in comics except [[ComicBook/BuckyBarnes Bucky Barnes]], ComicBook/BuckyBarnes, Jason Todd, and [[ComicBook/SpiderMan Uncle Ben]]". Due to ''ComicBook/CaptainAmericaWinterSoldier'' being released the same year, Uncle Ben is now the only one who's ''stayed'' dead.[[note]]Not counting a very brief time he was resurrected in issue #500 of ComicBook/JMSSpiderMan.''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManJMichaelStraczynski''.[[/note]]



* OneSceneWonder: Comicbook/TaliaAlGhul appears only briefly, EvilIsSexy as always and wielding a [[CoolGuns Luger]].

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* OneSceneWonder: Comicbook/TaliaAlGhul ComicBook/TaliaAlGhul appears only briefly, EvilIsSexy as always and wielding a [[CoolGuns Luger]].

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