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* DoingItForTheArt: Because Tom, David, and Atom were already successful in his own right, AVA gave them freedom to do more elaborate and artsy work that wouldn't have worked with their other acts.
** Tom, David, and Atom came directly from punk acts. Matt came directly from an act that was much more similar to AVA when it comes to the "more elaborate and artsy work" thing. Ilan and Eddie also came from more experimental acts (Ilan from Nine Inch Nails, Eddie from Thrice), Ilan even continues that trend with his own solo stuff, The New Regime.
** Tom, David, and Atom came directly from punk acts. Matt came directly from an act that was much more similar to AVA when it comes to the "more elaborate and artsy work" thing. Ilan and Eddie also came from more experimental acts (Ilan from Nine Inch Nails, Eddie from Thrice), Ilan even continues that trend with his own solo stuff, The New Regime.
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** ''Jumping Rooftops'' off of I-Empire at that.
** ''Anomaly'' off of ''The Dream Walker''. While a great song, it's pretty different from the rest of the album.
** ''Anomaly'' off of ''The Dream Walker''. While a great song, it's pretty different from the rest of the album.
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** ''Jumping Rooftops'' off of I-Empire at that.
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** ''Anomaly'' off of ''The Dream Walker''. While a great song, it's pretty different from the rest of the album due to primarily being an acoustic number to cap off the album.
** ''Anomaly'' off of ''The Dream Walker''. While a great song, it's pretty different from the rest of the album due to primarily being an acoustic number to cap off the album.
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** 'Rite of Spring' can be considered this, due to being a coming of age story about Tom's life, detailing his broken childhood due to the divorce of his parents, his start with {{Music/Blink 182}} and the eventual break up of the band, and his current status on his life. It's pretty hard hearing how Tom started, giving the vibe of him being a JerkassWoobie, especially considering how much some fans blame him for EVERYTHING.
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** 'Rite of Spring' can be considered this, due to being a coming of age story about Tom's life, detailing his broken childhood due to the divorce of his parents, his start with {{Music/Blink 182}} and the eventual break up of the band, and his current status on his life. It's pretty hard hearing how Tom started, giving the vibe of him being a JerkassWoobie, especially considering how much some fans blame him for EVERYTHING.
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** 'Tunnels' and 'Anomaly' off of ''The Dream Walker''
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** Meta example: Tom's heart broken news regarding the death of Critter, who was basically a {{Mentor|s}} to him and a vita part of the band's sound.
*** 'Tunnels' especially since it's about Tom's deceased father.
** Meta example: Tom's heart broken news regarding the death of Critter, who was basically a {{Mentor|s}} to him and a vita part of the band's sound.
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** 'Tunnels' and 'Anomaly' off of ''The Dream Walker''
***Walker'' 'Tunnels' especially since it's about Tom's deceased father.
** Meta example: Tom'sheart broken heartbroken news regarding the death of Critter, who was basically a {{Mentor|s}} to him and a vita vital part of the band's sound.
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** Served with a bit of irony in that Mark and Travis's post-breakup project +44 was much closer to a blink 2.0. Fast forward a few years, blink got back together together and [=AvA=] ctonied while +44 faded out, which led to a different implementation of the trope being that some fans considered new blink to "just be [=AvA=] with Mark and Travis".
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** Served with a bit of irony in that Mark and Travis's post-breakup project +44 was much closer to a blink 2.0. Fast forward a few years, blink got back together together and [=AvA=] ctonied continued while +44 faded out, which led to a different implementation of the trope being that some fans considered new blink to "just be [=AvA=] with Mark and Travis".Travis". Doubly ironic in that after Tom was kicked out of blink, the mixed bag reception to Neighborhoods and Nine led to many of those same people coming around to AVA's new 2019 singles, even saying they were "better than Nine" before Nine even ''came out''.
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** Even the likelihood of Matt coming back at some point didn't stop people from being very upset about him leaving the band to help raise his newest child, especially with the confusion over just who the heck is his replacement was. Eddie was officially announced as his replacement and showed up up in behind the scenes shots for what eventually turned out to be the video for Tremors. However, ''Bob Bryar'' (previously Music/MyChemicalRomance's drummer and friend of David) tweeted a picture showing a live show setup showing him on bass and monitors. Thankfully, people have still been receptive to Eddie joining. The possibility of Bob joining? Not so much. Made even more complex with Eddie not included in most of the ''The Dream Walker'' promotion with Tom and Ilan[[note]]David is confirmed to still be in the band, though he's absent in the promotion as well with the exception of the Tunnels video[[/note]] and rumblings of a [[http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/it_looks_like_thrice_are_coming_back_in_2015 Thrice reunion]]. Are we going to need a replacement bassist for the replacement bassist?
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** Even the likelihood of Matt coming back at some point didn't stop people from being very upset about him leaving the band to help raise his newest child, especially with the confusion over just who the heck is his replacement was. Eddie was officially announced as his replacement and showed up up in behind the scenes shots for what eventually turned out to be the video for Tremors. However, ''Bob Bryar'' (previously Music/MyChemicalRomance's drummer and friend of David) tweeted a picture showing a live show setup showing him on bass and monitors. Thankfully, people have still been receptive to Eddie joining. The possibility of Bob joining? Not so much. Made even more complex with Eddie not included in most of the ''The Dream Walker'' promotion with Tom and Ilan[[note]]David is confirmed to still be in the band, though he's absent in the promotion as well with the exception of the Tunnels video[[/note]] and rumblings of a [[http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/it_looks_like_thrice_are_coming_back_in_2015 Thrice reunion]]. Are we going to need a Made even weirder by Matt not reappearing for new 2019 music and touring despite Tom heavily hyping him, his being credited (supposedly incorrectly) on "Rebel Girls". His touring replacement bassist Matt Rubano has been well received, but despite showing up in music videos, he does not appear in promo materials and he's largely relegated to a side stage role.
* WinBackTheCrowd: Both AVA fans and soured blink fans alike have been receptive to "Rebel Girl" and "Kiss and Tell". After years of begging forthe replacement bassist?AVA to tour live again, their return was greeted with a warm welcome back that kept flooring Tom!
* WinBackTheCrowd: Both AVA fans and soured blink fans alike have been receptive to "Rebel Girl" and "Kiss and Tell". After years of begging for
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** 'Rite of Spring' can be considered this, due to being a coming of age story about Tom's life, detailing his broken childhood due to the divorce of his parents, his start with {{Music/Blink 182}} and the eventual break up of the band, and his current status on his life. It's pretty hard hearing how Tom started, giving the vibe of him being a JerkassWoobie, especially considering how much [[FanDumb some fans blame him for EVERYTHING]].
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** 'Rite of Spring' can be considered this, due to being a coming of age story about Tom's life, detailing his broken childhood due to the divorce of his parents, his start with {{Music/Blink 182}} and the eventual break up of the band, and his current status on his life. It's pretty hard hearing how Tom started, giving the vibe of him being a JerkassWoobie, especially considering how much [[FanDumb some fans blame him for EVERYTHING]].EVERYTHING.
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* AwesomeMusic: A good deal of the catalogue, primarily "The Adventure".
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* AwesomeMusic: SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: A good deal of the catalogue, primarily "The Adventure".
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** Meta example: Tom's heart broken news regarding the death of Critter, who was basically TheMentor to him and a vita part of the band's sound.
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** The reason for [=AvA=]'s BrokenBase over the albums past I-Empire. The farther AVA gets from pop punk, the more complaining you're likely to see, which is par for the course for the music coming from [[Music/{{Blink182}} the other band Tom was in]]. Even with the changes, the band still considers themselves a punk act. They also never gave the impression of being a straight forward pop punk act like blink to begin with, hence the people complaining about it NOT being blink 2.0.
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** The reason for [=AvA=]'s BrokenBase over the albums past I-Empire. The farther AVA gets from pop punk, the more complaining you're likely to see, which is par for the course for the music coming from [[Music/{{Blink182}} [[Music/{{Blink 182}} the other band Tom was in]]. Even with the changes, the band still considers themselves a punk act. They also never gave the impression of being a straight forward pop punk act like blink to begin with, hence the people complaining about it NOT being blink 2.0.
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* MagnumOpus: Between ''We Don't Need to Whisper'' and ''I-Empire'', '''especially''' with ''I-Empire''.
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** '''START THE MACHINE'''. A perfect song detailing Tom's emotions over the break-up of blink-182, it's pretty heart rendering hearing Tom singing his frustration and sadness over the event, but still wishes some closure from Mark and Travis. It did however become a HeartwarmingInHindsight when blink-182 ''did'' reunite after Tom, Mark, and Travis reconciled. It veers right back into tearjerker territory when you realize in 2015, history (mostly) repeated itself and despite Mark and Travis kicking him out the band and continuing blink without him, ''Tom still wants their friendship''.
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** '''START 'START THE MACHINE'''.MACHINE'. A perfect song detailing Tom's emotions over the break-up of blink-182, it's pretty heart rendering hearing Tom singing his frustration and sadness over the event, but still wishes some closure from Mark and Travis. It did however become a HeartwarmingInHindsight when blink-182 ''did'' reunite after Tom, Mark, and Travis reconciled. It veers right back into tearjerker territory when you realize in 2015, history (mostly) repeated itself and despite Mark and Travis kicking him out the band and continuing blink without him, ''Tom still wants their friendship''.
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** '''START THE MACHINE'''. A perfect song detailing Tom's emotions over the break-up of blink-182, it's pretty heart rendering hearing Tom singing his frustration and sadness over the event, but still wishes some closure from Mark and Travis. It did however become a HeartwarmingInHindsight when blink-182 ''did'' reunite after Tom, Mark, and Travis reconciled. It veers right back into tearjerker territory when you realize in 2015, history (mostly) repeated itself and despite Mark and Tom kicking him out the band and continuing blink without him, ''Tom still wants their friendship''.
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** '''START THE MACHINE'''. A perfect song detailing Tom's emotions over the break-up of blink-182, it's pretty heart rendering hearing Tom singing his frustration and sadness over the event, but still wishes some closure from Mark and Travis. It did however become a HeartwarmingInHindsight when blink-182 ''did'' reunite after Tom, Mark, and Travis reconciled. It veers right back into tearjerker territory when you realize in 2015, history (mostly) repeated itself and despite Mark and Tom Travis kicking him out the band and continuing blink without him, ''Tom still wants their friendship''.
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** '''START THE MACHINE'''. A perfect song detailing Tom's emotions over the break-up of blink-182, it's pretty heart rendering hearing Tom singing his frustration and sadness over the event, but still wishes some closure from Mark and Travis. It does however become a HeartwarmingInHindsight when blink-182 ''did'' reunite after Tom, Mark, and Travis reconciled.
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** '''START THE MACHINE'''. A perfect song detailing Tom's emotions over the break-up of blink-182, it's pretty heart rendering hearing Tom singing his frustration and sadness over the event, but still wishes some closure from Mark and Travis. It does did however become a HeartwarmingInHindsight when blink-182 ''did'' reunite after Tom, Mark, and Travis reconciled.reconciled. It veers right back into tearjerker territory when you realize in 2015, history (mostly) repeated itself and despite Mark and Tom kicking him out the band and continuing blink without him, ''Tom still wants their friendship''.
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** Served with a bit of irony in that Mark and Travis's post-breakup project +44 was much closer to a blink 2.0. Fast forward a few years, blink is back together and [=AvA=] is still kicking while +44 faded out, which led to a different implementation of the trope being that some fans now consider new blink to "just be [=AvA=] with Mark and Travis".
** The reason for [=AvA=]'s BrokenBase over the albums past I-Empire. The farther AVA gets from pop punk, the more complaining you're likely to see, which is par for the course for the music coming from [[Music/{{Blink182}} the other band Tom is in]]. Even with the changes, the band still considers themselves a punk act (and never gave the impression of being a straight forward pop punk act like blink to begin with, hence the people complaining about it NOT being blink 2.0).
** Even the likelihood of Matt coming back at some point hasn't stopped people from being very upset about him leaving the band to help raise his newest child, especially with the confusion over just who the heck is his replacement is. Eddie was officially announced as his replacement and has shown up in behind the scenes shots for the first video for the Halloween 2014 release, but ''Bob Bryar'' (previously Music/MyChemicalRomance's drummer and friend of David) tweeted a picture showing a live show setup showing him on bass and monitors. Thankfully, people have still been receptive to Eddie joining. The possibility of Bob joining? Not so much. Made even more complex with Eddie not included in ''The Dream Walker'' promotion with Tom and Ilan[[note]]David is confirmed to still be in the band, though he's absent in the promotion as well[[/note]] and rumblings of a [[http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/it_looks_like_thrice_are_coming_back_in_2015 Thrice reunion]]. Are we going to need a replacement bassist for the replacement bassist?
** The reason for [=AvA=]'s BrokenBase over the albums past I-Empire. The farther AVA gets from pop punk, the more complaining you're likely to see, which is par for the course for the music coming from [[Music/{{Blink182}} the other band Tom is in]]. Even with the changes, the band still considers themselves a punk act (and never gave the impression of being a straight forward pop punk act like blink to begin with, hence the people complaining about it NOT being blink 2.0).
** Even the likelihood of Matt coming back at some point hasn't stopped people from being very upset about him leaving the band to help raise his newest child, especially with the confusion over just who the heck is his replacement is. Eddie was officially announced as his replacement and has shown up in behind the scenes shots for the first video for the Halloween 2014 release, but ''Bob Bryar'' (previously Music/MyChemicalRomance's drummer and friend of David) tweeted a picture showing a live show setup showing him on bass and monitors. Thankfully, people have still been receptive to Eddie joining. The possibility of Bob joining? Not so much. Made even more complex with Eddie not included in ''The Dream Walker'' promotion with Tom and Ilan[[note]]David is confirmed to still be in the band, though he's absent in the promotion as well[[/note]] and rumblings of a [[http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/it_looks_like_thrice_are_coming_back_in_2015 Thrice reunion]]. Are we going to need a replacement bassist for the replacement bassist?
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** Served with a bit of irony in that Mark and Travis's post-breakup project +44 was much closer to a blink 2.0. Fast forward a few years, blink is got back together together and [=AvA=] is still kicking ctonied while +44 faded out, which led to a different implementation of the trope being that some fans now consider considered new blink to "just be [=AvA=] with Mark and Travis".
** The reason for [=AvA=]'s BrokenBase over the albums past I-Empire. The farther AVA gets from pop punk, the more complaining you're likely to see, which is par for the course for the music coming from [[Music/{{Blink182}} the other band Tomis was in]]. Even with the changes, the band still considers themselves a punk act (and act. They also never gave the impression of being a straight forward pop punk act like blink to begin with, hence the people complaining about it NOT being blink 2.0).
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** Even the likelihood of Matt coming back at some pointhasn't stopped didn't stop people from being very upset about him leaving the band to help raise his newest child, especially with the confusion over just who the heck is his replacement is. was. Eddie was officially announced as his replacement and has shown showed up up in behind the scenes shots for what eventually turned out to be the first video for the Halloween 2014 release, but Tremors. However, ''Bob Bryar'' (previously Music/MyChemicalRomance's drummer and friend of David) tweeted a picture showing a live show setup showing him on bass and monitors. Thankfully, people have still been receptive to Eddie joining. The possibility of Bob joining? Not so much. Made even more complex with Eddie not included in most of the ''The Dream Walker'' promotion with Tom and Ilan[[note]]David is confirmed to still be in the band, though he's absent in the promotion as well[[/note]] well with the exception of the Tunnels video[[/note]] and rumblings of a [[http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/it_looks_like_thrice_are_coming_back_in_2015 Thrice reunion]]. Are we going to need a replacement bassist for the replacement bassist?
** The reason for [=AvA=]'s BrokenBase over the albums past I-Empire. The farther AVA gets from pop punk, the more complaining you're likely to see, which is par for the course for the music coming from [[Music/{{Blink182}} the other band Tom
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** Even the likelihood of Matt coming back at some point hasn't stopped people from being very upset about him leaving the band to help raise his newest child, especially with the confusion over just who the heck is his replacement is. Eddie was officially announced as his replacement and has shown up in behind the scenes shots for the first video for the Halloween 2014 release, but ''Bob Bryar'' (previously Music/MyChemicalRomance's drummer and friend of David) tweeted a picture showing a live show setup showing him on bass and monitors. Thankfully, people have still been receptive to Eddie joining. The possibility of Bob joining? Not so much. Made even more complex with Eddie not included in ''The Dream Walker'' promotion with Tom and Ilan[[note]]David is confirmed to still be in the band, though he's absent in the promotion as well]] and rumblings of a [[http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/it_looks_like_thrice_are_coming_back_in_2015 Thrice reunion]]. Are we going to need a replacement bassist for the replacement bassist?
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** Even the likelihood of Matt coming back at some point hasn't stopped people from being very upset about him leaving the band to help raise his newest child, especially with the confusion over just who the heck is his replacement is. Eddie was officially announced as his replacement and has shown up in behind the scenes shots for the first video for the Halloween 2014 release, but ''Bob Bryar'' (previously Music/MyChemicalRomance's drummer and friend of David) tweeted a picture showing a live show setup showing him on bass and monitors. Thankfully, people have still been receptive to Eddie joining. The possibility of Bob joining? Not so much. Made even more complex with Eddie not included in ''The Dream Walker'' promotion with Tom and Ilan[[note]]David is confirmed to still be in the band, though he's absent in the promotion as well]] well[[/note]] and rumblings of a [[http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/it_looks_like_thrice_are_coming_back_in_2015 Thrice reunion]]. Are we going to need a replacement bassist for the replacement bassist?
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** Atom's departure and adding Ilan Rubin to the lineup. Ilan Rubin is well regarded as a drummer, overall musical talent and a nice guy to boot, but Atom was with the band since its inception. Understandably, people would be attached to him. The circumstances of Atom leaving were amicable (he still does stuff on occasion with Tom's shoe brand, Macbeth and he's chummy with Ilan), but the reasons he left[[note]]on record as AVA taking a different creative direction, rumored to partially due to the backseat that AVA takes when blink is more active[[/note]] have gotten the fandom in a tizzy. There's also concern about Ilan easing into the band and taking a more active role in album production beyond just being the drummer ''much'' faster than the fandom anticipated. Again, let's just leave it at that.
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** Atom's departure and adding Ilan Rubin to the lineup. Ilan Rubin is well regarded as a drummer, overall musical talent and a nice guy to boot, but Atom was with the band since its inception. Understandably, people would be attached to him. The circumstances of Atom leaving were amicable (he still does stuff on occasion with Tom's shoe brand, Macbeth and he's chummy with Ilan), but the reasons he left[[note]]on record as AVA taking a different creative direction, rumored to partially be due to the backseat that AVA takes when blink is more active[[/note]] have gotten the fandom in a tizzy. There's also concern about Ilan easing into the band and taking a more active role in album production beyond just being the drummer ''much'' faster than the fandom anticipated. Again, let's just leave it at that.
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** Matt leaving: People going "Who cares? [[NobodyLovestheBassist He's just the bassist!]]" versus the people who definitely ''do'' care, especially since Matt played a much larger role in the band besides bass, including playing synths from I-Empire onward and being involved with a lot of the band's design work.
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** Matt leaving: People going "Who cares? [[NobodyLovestheBassist He's just the bassist!]]" versus the people who definitely ''do'' care, especially since Matt played a much larger role in the band besides bass, including playing synths from I-Empire onward and being involved with a lot of the band's design work. If and when he comes back, it'll likely become a non-issue.
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** 'Rite of Spring' can be considered this, due to being a coming of age story about Tom's life, detailing his broken childhood due to the divorce of his parents, his start with {{Music/Blink 182}} and the eventual break up of the band, and his current status on his life. It's pretty hard hearing how Tom started, giving the vibe of him being a JerkassWoobie, especially considering how much [[FanDumb some fans blame him for EVERYTHING]]..
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** 'Rite of Spring' can be considered this, due to being a coming of age story about Tom's life, detailing his broken childhood due to the divorce of his parents, his start with {{Music/Blink 182}} and the eventual break up of the band, and his current status on his life. It's pretty hard hearing how Tom started, giving the vibe of him being a JerkassWoobie, especially considering how much [[FanDumb some fans blame him for EVERYTHING]]..EVERYTHING]].
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** The reason for [=AvA=]'s BrokenBase over the albums past I-Empire. The farther AVA gets from pop-punk, the more complaining you're likely to see, which is par for the course for the music coming from [[Music/{{Blink182}} the other band Tom is in]]. Even with the changes, the band still considers themselves a punk act (and never gave the impression of being a straight forward pop punk act like blink to begin with, hence the people complaining about it NOT being blink 2.0).
** Even the likelihood of Matt coming back at some point hasn't stopped people from being very upset about him leaving the band to help raise his newest child, especially with the confusion over just who the heck is his replacement is. Eddie was officially announced as his replacement and has shown up in behind the scenes shots for the first video for the Halloween 2014 release, but ''Bob Bryar'' (previously Music/MyChemicalRomance's drummer and friend of David) tweeted a picture showing a live show setup showing him on bass and monitors. Thankfully, people have still been receptive to Eddie joining. The possibility of Bob joining? Not so much.
* WinBackTheCrowd: While AVA hasn't done anything to push fans away, some people weren't really favorable with ''LOVE Pt. II'' and ''Stomping the Phantom Break Pedal'', ''The Dream Walker'' brought fans back, especially with the accompanying short film ''Poet Anderson: The Dream Walker''.
** Even the likelihood of Matt coming back at some point hasn't stopped people from being very upset about him leaving the band to help raise his newest child, especially with the confusion over just who the heck is his replacement is. Eddie was officially announced as his replacement and has shown up in behind the scenes shots for the first video for the Halloween 2014 release, but ''Bob Bryar'' (previously Music/MyChemicalRomance's drummer and friend of David) tweeted a picture showing a live show setup showing him on bass and monitors. Thankfully, people have still been receptive to Eddie joining. The possibility of Bob joining? Not so much.
* WinBackTheCrowd: While AVA hasn't done anything to push fans away, some people weren't really favorable with ''LOVE Pt. II'' and ''Stomping the Phantom Break Pedal'', ''The Dream Walker'' brought fans back, especially with the accompanying short film ''Poet Anderson: The Dream Walker''.
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** The reason for [=AvA=]'s BrokenBase over the albums past I-Empire. The farther AVA gets from pop-punk, pop punk, the more complaining you're likely to see, which is par for the course for the music coming from [[Music/{{Blink182}} the other band Tom is in]]. Even with the changes, the band still considers themselves a punk act (and never gave the impression of being a straight forward pop punk act like blink to begin with, hence the people complaining about it NOT being blink 2.0).
** Even the likelihood of Matt coming back at some point hasn't stopped people from being very upset about him leaving the band to help raise his newest child, especially with the confusion over just who the heck is his replacement is. Eddie was officially announced as his replacement and has shown up in behind the scenes shots for the first video for the Halloween 2014 release, but ''Bob Bryar'' (previously Music/MyChemicalRomance's drummer and friend of David) tweeted a picture showing a live show setup showing him on bass and monitors. Thankfully, people have still been receptive to Eddie joining. The possibility of Bob joining? Not somuch.
* WinBackTheCrowd: While AVA hasn't done anything to push fans away, some people weren't really favorablemuch. Made even more complex with ''LOVE Pt. II'' and ''Stomping the Phantom Break Pedal'', Eddie not included in ''The Dream Walker'' brought fans back, especially promotion with Tom and Ilan[[note]]David is confirmed to still be in the accompanying short film ''Poet Anderson: The Dream Walker''.band, though he's absent in the promotion as well]] and rumblings of a [[http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/it_looks_like_thrice_are_coming_back_in_2015 Thrice reunion]]. Are we going to need a replacement bassist for the replacement bassist?
** Even the likelihood of Matt coming back at some point hasn't stopped people from being very upset about him leaving the band to help raise his newest child, especially with the confusion over just who the heck is his replacement is. Eddie was officially announced as his replacement and has shown up in behind the scenes shots for the first video for the Halloween 2014 release, but ''Bob Bryar'' (previously Music/MyChemicalRomance's drummer and friend of David) tweeted a picture showing a live show setup showing him on bass and monitors. Thankfully, people have still been receptive to Eddie joining. The possibility of Bob joining? Not so
* WinBackTheCrowd: While AVA hasn't done anything to push fans away, some people weren't really favorable
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* WinBackTheCrowd: While AVA hasn't done anything to push fans away, some people weren't really favorable with ''LOVE Pt. II'' and ''Stomping the Phantom Break Pedal'', ''The Dream Walker'' brought fans back, especially with the accompanying short film ''Poet Anderson: The Dream Walker''.
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* TearJerker: Several of their songs are pretty emotional, examples being 'The Gift', 'Do It For Me Now', and 'A Little's Enough'.
** 'Rite of Spring' can be considered this, due to being a coming of age story about Tom's life, detailing his broken childhood due to the divorce of his parents, his start with {{Music/Blink 182}} and the eventual break up of the band, and his current status on his life. It's pretty hard hearing how Tom started, giving the vibe of him being a JerkassWoobie, especially considering how much [[FanDumb some fans blame him for EVERYTHING]]..
** '''START THE MACHINE'''. A perfect song detailing Tom's emotions over the break-up of blink-182, it's pretty heart rendering hearing Tom singing his frustration and sadness over the event, but still wishes some closure from Mark and Travis. It does however become a HeartwarmingInHindsight when blink-182 ''did'' reunite after Tom, Mark, and Travis reconciled.
** 'Rite of Spring' can be considered this, due to being a coming of age story about Tom's life, detailing his broken childhood due to the divorce of his parents, his start with {{Music/Blink 182}} and the eventual break up of the band, and his current status on his life. It's pretty hard hearing how Tom started, giving the vibe of him being a JerkassWoobie, especially considering how much [[FanDumb some fans blame him for EVERYTHING]]..
** '''START THE MACHINE'''. A perfect song detailing Tom's emotions over the break-up of blink-182, it's pretty heart rendering hearing Tom singing his frustration and sadness over the event, but still wishes some closure from Mark and Travis. It does however become a HeartwarmingInHindsight when blink-182 ''did'' reunite after Tom, Mark, and Travis reconciled.
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** David leaving the band as of late. Makes it worse at the fact that someone spoke to David and he mentioned [[WeUsedToBeFriends something happened between him and Tom]]..
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** David leaving the band as of late. Makes it worse at the fact that someone spoke to David and he mentioned [[WeUsedToBeFriends something happened between him and Tom]]..
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Initially, this was the opinion of many {{Blink 182}} fans who hoped that Music/AngelsAndAirwaves would be {{Blink 182}} 2.0.
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Initially, this was the opinion of many {{Blink Music/{{Blink 182}} fans who hoped that Music/AngelsAndAirwaves would be {{Blink Music/{{Blink 182}} 2.0.
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* Matt leaving: People going "Who cares? [[NobodyLovestheBassist He's just the bassist!]]" versus the people who definitely ''do'' care, especially since Matt also played synths from I-Empire onward and was involved with a lot of the band's design work.
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** The reason for [=AvA=]'s BrokenBase over the albums past I-Empire. The farther AVA gets from pop-punk, the more complaining you're likely to see, which is par for the course for the music coming from [[Music/{{Blink182}} the other band Tom is in]]. Even with the changes, the band still considers themselves a punk act.
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** The reason for [=AvA=]'s BrokenBase over the albums past I-Empire. The farther AVA gets from pop-punk, the more complaining you're likely to see, which is par for the course for the music coming from [[Music/{{Blink182}} the other band Tom is in]]. Even with the changes, the band still considers themselves a punk act.act (and never gave the impression of being a straight forward pop punk act like blink to begin with, hence the people complaining about it NOT being blink 2.0).
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* BrokenBase: Any music after ''I-Empire''. Heck, even any music after ''[[FirstInstallmentWins We Don't Need To Whisper]]''. How about AVA's status as a multimedia project as opposed to being a regular band? Heck, this is a band lead by the lead singer of [[Music/{{Blink182}} blink-182]], which means the Broken Bases for both bands ''intermingle''. Let's just leave it at that.
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* BrokenBase: Any music after ''I-Empire''. Heck, even any music after ''[[FirstInstallmentWins We Don't Need To Whisper]]''. How about AVA's status as a multimedia project as opposed to just being a regular band? Heck, this is a band lead by the lead singer of [[Music/{{Blink182}} blink-182]], which means the Broken Bases for both bands ''intermingle''. Let's just leave it at that.
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* DoingItForTheArt: Because each of the band's member was already successful in his own right, they're given freedom to do more elaborate and artsy work that wouldn't have worked with their other acts.
** Tom, David, and Atom came directly from punk acts. Matt came directly from an act that was much more similar to AVA when it comes to the "more elaborate and artsy work" thing. While "doing it for the art" was part of Matt coming on board, the other part was "having time for my family and something resembling a social life", something he definitely wouldn't be getting with Mars.
** Tom, David, and Atom came directly from punk acts. Matt came directly from an act that was much more similar to AVA when it comes to the "more elaborate and artsy work" thing. While "doing it for the art" was part of Matt coming on board, the other part was "having time for my family and something resembling a social life", something he definitely wouldn't be getting with Mars.
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* Matt leaving: People going "Who cares? [[NobodyLovestheBassist He's just the bassist!]]" versus the people who definitely ''do'' care, especially since Matt also played synths from I-Empire onward and was involved with a lot of the band's design work.
* DoingItForTheArt: Becauseeach of the band's member was Tom, David, and Atom were already successful in his own right, they're given AVA gave them freedom to do more elaborate and artsy work that wouldn't have worked with their other acts.
** Tom, David, and Atom came directly from punk acts. Matt came directly from an act that was much more similar to AVA when it comes to the "more elaborate and artsy work" thing.While "doing it for the art" was part of Matt coming on board, the other part was "having time for my family Ilan and something resembling a social life", something he definitely wouldn't be getting Eddie also came from more experimental acts (Ilan from Nine Inch Nails, Eddie from Thrice), Ilan even continues that trend with Mars.his own solo stuff, The New Regime.
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** The reason for the BrokenBase over the albums past I-Empire. The farther AVA gets from pop-punk, the more complaining you're likely to see, which is par for the course for the music coming from [[Music/{{Blink182}} the other band Tom is in]].
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** The reason for the [=AvA=]'s BrokenBase over the albums past I-Empire. The farther AVA gets from pop-punk, the more complaining you're likely to see, which is par for the course for the music coming from [[Music/{{Blink182}} the other band Tom is in]].
in]]. Even with the changes, the band still considers themselves a punk act.
** Even the likelihood of Matt coming back at some point hasn't stopped people from being very upset about him leaving the band to help raise his newest child, especially with the confusion over just who the heck is his replacement is. Eddie was officially announced as his replacement and has shown up in behind the scenes shots for the first video for the Halloween 2014 release, but ''Bob Bryar'' (previously Music/MyChemicalRomance's drummer and friend of David) tweeted a picture showing a live show setup showing him on bass and monitors. Thankfully, people have still been receptive to Eddie joining. The possibility of Bob joining? Not so much.
** Even the likelihood of Matt coming back at some point hasn't stopped people from being very upset about him leaving the band to help raise his newest child, especially with the confusion over just who the heck is his replacement is. Eddie was officially announced as his replacement and has shown up in behind the scenes shots for the first video for the Halloween 2014 release, but ''Bob Bryar'' (previously Music/MyChemicalRomance's drummer and friend of David) tweeted a picture showing a live show setup showing him on bass and monitors. Thankfully, people have still been receptive to Eddie joining. The possibility of Bob joining? Not so much.
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** Served with a bit of irony in that Mark and Travis's post-breakup project +44 was much closer to a blink 2.0. Fast forward a few years, blink is back together and [=AvA=] is still kicking while +44 faded out, which led to a different implementation of the trope being that the FanDumb now consides new blink to "just be [=AvA=] with Mark and Travis".
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** Served with a bit of irony in that Mark and Travis's post-breakup project +44 was much closer to a blink 2.0. Fast forward a few years, blink is back together and [=AvA=] is still kicking while +44 faded out, which led to a different implementation of the trope being that the FanDumb some fans now consides consider new blink to "just be [=AvA=] with Mark and Travis".
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: One on ''We Don't Need To Whisper'': "It Hurts", an angsty BreakupSong that's also out of left field compared to the rest of the album.
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* BrokenBase: Any music after ''I-Empire''. And we'll stay with that.
** More so now with Atom's departure and adding Ilan Rubin as their newest drummer.
** More so now with Atom's departure and adding Ilan Rubin as their newest drummer.
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* BrokenBase: Any music after ''I-Empire''. And we'll stay with Heck, even any music after ''[[FirstInstallmentWins We Don't Need To Whisper]]''. How about AVA's status as a multimedia project as opposed to being a regular band? Heck, this is a band lead by the lead singer of [[Music/{{Blink182}} blink-182]], which means the Broken Bases for both bands ''intermingle''. Let's just leave it at that.
**More so now with Atom's departure and adding Ilan Rubin to the lineup. Ilan Rubin is well regarded as a drummer, overall musical talent and a nice guy to boot, but Atom was with the band since its inception. Understandably, people would be attached to him. The circumstances of Atom leaving were amicable (he still does stuff on occasion with Tom's shoe brand, Macbeth and he's chummy with Ilan), but the reasons he left[[note]]on record as AVA taking a different creative direction, rumored to partially due to the backseat that AVA takes when blink is more active[[/note]] have gotten the fandom in a tizzy. There's also concern about Ilan easing into the band and taking a more active role in album production beyond just being the drummer ''much'' faster than the fandom anticipated. Again, let's just leave it at that.
* DoingItForTheArt: Because each of the band's member was already successful in his own right, they're given freedom to do more elaborate and artsy work that wouldn't have worked with theirnewest drummer. other acts.
** Tom, David, and Atom came directly from punk acts. Matt came directly from an act that was much more similar to AVA when it comes to the "more elaborate and artsy work" thing. While "doing it for the art" was part of Matt coming on board, the other part was "having time for my family and something resembling a social life", something he definitely wouldn't be getting with Mars.
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* DoingItForTheArt: Because each of the band's member was already successful in his own right, they're given freedom to do more elaborate and artsy work that wouldn't have worked with their
** Tom, David, and Atom came directly from punk acts. Matt came directly from an act that was much more similar to AVA when it comes to the "more elaborate and artsy work" thing. While "doing it for the art" was part of Matt coming on board, the other part was "having time for my family and something resembling a social life", something he definitely wouldn't be getting with Mars.
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** The reason for the BrokenBase over the albums past I-Empire. The farther AVA gets from pop-punk, the more complaining you're likely to see, which is par for the course for the music coming from [[Music/{{Blink182}} the other band Tom is in]].
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* BrokenBase: Any music after ''I-Empire''. And we'll stay with that.
** More so now with Atom's departure and adding Ilan Rubin as their newest drummer.
** More so now with Atom's departure and adding Ilan Rubin as their newest drummer.
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Initially, this was the opinion of many {{Blink 182}} fans who hoped that AngelsAndAirwaves would be {{Blink 182}} 2.0.
** Served with a bit of irony in that Mark and Travis's post-breakup project +44 was much closer to a blink 2.0. Fast forward a few years, blink is back together and AvA is still kicking while +44 faded out, which led to a different implementation of the trope being that the FanDumb now consides new blink to "just be AvA with Mark and Travis".
** Served with a bit of irony in that Mark and Travis's post-breakup project +44 was much closer to a blink 2.0. Fast forward a few years, blink is back together and AvA is still kicking while +44 faded out, which led to a different implementation of the trope being that the FanDumb now consides new blink to "just be AvA with Mark and Travis".
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Initially, this was the opinion of many {{Blink 182}} fans who hoped that AngelsAndAirwaves Music/AngelsAndAirwaves would be {{Blink 182}} 2.0.
** Served with a bit of irony in that Mark and Travis's post-breakup project +44 was much closer to a blink 2.0. Fast forward a few years, blink is back together andAvA [=AvA=] is still kicking while +44 faded out, which led to a different implementation of the trope being that the FanDumb now consides new blink to "just be AvA [=AvA=] with Mark and Travis".Travis".
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: See above entry. Initially, this was the opinion of many {{Blink 182}} fans who hoped that AngelsAndAirwaves would be {{Blink 182}} 2.0.
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: See above entry. Initially, this was the opinion of many {{Blink 182}} fans who hoped that AngelsAndAirwaves would be {{Blink 182}} 2.0.
** Served with a bit of irony in that Mark and Travis's post-breakup project +44 was much closer to a blink 2.0. Fast forward a few years, blink is back together and AvA is still kicking while +44 faded out, which led to a different implementation of the trope being that the FanDumb now consides new blink to "just be AvA with Mark and Travis".
** Served with a bit of irony in that Mark and Travis's post-breakup project +44 was much closer to a blink 2.0. Fast forward a few years, blink is back together and AvA is still kicking while +44 faded out, which led to a different implementation of the trope being that the FanDumb now consides new blink to "just be AvA with Mark and Travis".
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* {{Hatedom}}: It's softened considerably over the years, but the band was initially reviled by a sizable chunk of {{Blink 182}} fans who blamed Tom Delonge for the band's breakup and/or resented the fact that AngelsAndAirwaves' music was so different from Blink's familiar style.
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* AwesomeMusic: A good deal of the catalogue, primarily "The Adventure".
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* AwesomeMusic: A good deal of the catalogue, primarily "The Adventure".Adventure".
* {{Hatedom}}: It's softened considerably over the years, but the band was initially reviled by a sizable chunk of {{Blink 182}} fans who blamed Tom Delonge for the band's breakup and/or resented the fact that AngelsAndAirwaves' music was so different from Blink's familiar style.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: See above entry. Initially, this was the opinion of many {{Blink 182}} fans who hoped that AngelsAndAirwaves would be {{Blink 182}} 2.0.
* {{Hatedom}}: It's softened considerably over the years, but the band was initially reviled by a sizable chunk of {{Blink 182}} fans who blamed Tom Delonge for the band's breakup and/or resented the fact that AngelsAndAirwaves' music was so different from Blink's familiar style.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: See above entry. Initially, this was the opinion of many {{Blink 182}} fans who hoped that AngelsAndAirwaves would be {{Blink 182}} 2.0.