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What if at some point in the past Essex and Darkholme crossed paths and he (perhaps though telepathy) planted a post hypnotic suggestion of sorts into her mind so she would impulsively travel the world and procreate and eventually leaved. Considering that out of all of her biological children only one of them has her shapeshifting abilities, Mr. Sinister may have seen her as a genetic wild card and decided to breed her with multiple partners to see what kinds of powers would be developed.
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What if at some point in the past Essex and Darkholme crossed paths and he (perhaps though telepathy) planted a post hypnotic suggestion of sorts into her mind so she would impulsively travel the world and procreate and eventually leaved.leave and repeat the cycle. Considering that out of all of her biological children only one of them has her shapeshifting abilities, Mr. Sinister may have seen her as a genetic wild card and decided to breed her with multiple partners to see what kinds of powers would be developed.
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Cable is the baby from Genosha who first appeared in ''Uncanny X-Men'' #235, and then [[Characters/XMenRoguesGalleryMToZ Madelyne Pryor]] got hold of in #238. During an offscreen moment during ''Comicbook/{{Inferno}}'', Pryor switched her baby with the Genoshan baby (just like [[Film/EscapeFromThePlanetOfTheApes Zira switched Milo/Caesar]]) as a secret ''Screw You'' at both Cyclops and Mr Sinister. The (never named) Genosha baby became Cable, while the actual Nathan Christopher Charles Summers is still [[FromNobodyToNightmare out there somewhere in the world]].
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Cable is the baby from Genosha who first appeared in ''Uncanny X-Men'' #235, and then [[Characters/XMenRoguesGalleryMToZ Madelyne Pryor]] ComicBook/MadelynePryor got hold of in #238. During an offscreen moment during ''Comicbook/{{Inferno}}'', Pryor switched her baby with the Genoshan baby (just like [[Film/EscapeFromThePlanetOfTheApes Zira switched Milo/Caesar]]) as a secret ''Screw You'' at both Cyclops and Mr Sinister. The (never named) Genosha baby became Cable, while the actual Nathan Christopher Charles Summers is still [[FromNobodyToNightmare out there somewhere in the world]].
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Mystique has had a large number of sexual partners, which isn’t really unusual since when you cast the net far enough across the marvel universe it’s an EverybodyHasLotsOfSex series. But it should also be noted that she’s had children with several of her partners. The fathers of those children including Azazel, Sabretooth, Wolverine and Professor X and these are just the ones we know about.
Mr. Sinister, for his part, has been practicing clandestine Mutant Husbandry for at least a century and has canonically been responsible for Grigori Rasputin being such a playboy.
What if at some point in the past Essex and Darkholme crossed paths and he (perhaps though telepathy) planted a post hypnotic suggestion of sorts into her mind so she would impulsively travel the world and procreate and eventually leaved. Considering that out of all of her biological children only one of them has her shapeshifting abilities, Mr. Sinister may have seen her as a genetic wild card and decided to breed her with multiple partners to see what kinds of powers would be developed.
Mystique has had a large number of sexual partners, which isn’t really unusual since when you cast the net far enough across the marvel universe it’s an EverybodyHasLotsOfSex series. But it should also be noted that she’s had children with several of her partners. The fathers of those children including Azazel, Sabretooth, Wolverine and Professor X and these are just the ones we know about.
Mr. Sinister, for his part, has been practicing clandestine Mutant Husbandry for at least a century and has canonically been responsible for Grigori Rasputin being such a playboy.
What if at some point in the past Essex and Darkholme crossed paths and he (perhaps though telepathy) planted a post hypnotic suggestion of sorts into her mind so she would impulsively travel the world and procreate and eventually leaved. Considering that out of all of her biological children only one of them has her shapeshifting abilities, Mr. Sinister may have seen her as a genetic wild card and decided to breed her with multiple partners to see what kinds of powers would be developed.
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Who specialize in brain surgery. The "seeing people thoughts" thing is a necessary empathic component.
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Who specialize in brain surgery. The "seeing people people's thoughts" thing is a necessary empathic component.
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In Marvel 616 having any ability to get super powers make you immune to sanction bacteria.
That's why other superpower people in comparison don't have problems with mutant.
That's why other superpower people in comparison don't have problems with mutant.
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During ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'', as part of their efforts to reduce the presence of the X-Men and mutants in general, Marvel attempted to retcon Squirrel Girl's status as a mutant by [[http://www.cbr.com/squirrel-girl-not-mutant/2/ having her take a DNA test that seemingly confirms that she only had irregular DNA]]. Perhaps Mr. Sinister got involved in a two-fold purpose -- first, to collect Squirrel Girl's DNA sample for his DNA database, and second, to switch it with a bogus sample to dupe her into risking her life getting M-Pox. Of course, given [[ComicallyInvincibleHero her track record]], perhaps she ''did'' catch it, only for her immune system to somehow beat it.
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During ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'', as part of their efforts to reduce the presence of the X-Men and mutants in general, Marvel attempted to retcon Squirrel Girl's status as a mutant by [[http://www.cbr.com/squirrel-girl-not-mutant/2/ having her take a DNA test that seemingly confirms that she she's only had a human with irregular DNA]]. Perhaps Mr. Sinister got involved in a two-fold purpose -- first, to collect Squirrel Girl's DNA sample for his DNA database, and second, to switch it with a bogus sample to dupe her into risking her life getting M-Pox. Of course, given [[ComicallyInvincibleHero her track record]], perhaps she ''did'' catch it, only for her immune system to somehow beat it.
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During ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'', as part of their efforts to reduce the presence of the X-Men and mutants in general, Marvel attempted to retcon Squirrel Girl's status as a mutant by [[http://www.cbr.com/squirrel-girl-not-mutant/2/ having her take a DNA test that seemingly confirms that she only had irregular DNA]]. Perhaps Mr. Sinister got involved in a two-fold purpose -- first, to collect Squirrel Girl's DNA sample for his DNA database, and second, to switch it with a bogus sample to dupe her into risking her life getting M-Pox. Of course, given [[ComicallyInvincibleHero her track record]], perhaps she ''did'' catch it, only for her immune system to somehow beat it.
During ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'', as part of their efforts to reduce the presence of the X-Men and mutants in general, Marvel attempted to retcon Squirrel Girl's status as a mutant by [[http://www.cbr.com/squirrel-girl-not-mutant/2/ having her take a DNA test that seemingly confirms that she only had irregular DNA]]. Perhaps Mr. Sinister got involved in a two-fold purpose -- first, to collect Squirrel Girl's DNA sample for his DNA database, and second, to switch it with a bogus sample to dupe her into risking her life getting M-Pox. Of course, given [[ComicallyInvincibleHero her track record]], perhaps she ''did'' catch it, only for her immune system to somehow beat it.
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At the risk of being a Main/CaptainObvious... it seems unlikely that Corsair's really dead, even though he's the sort of Main/CListFodder that you can get away with killing. (He hadn't been seen for some time, and so he's more expendable to Main/TheVerse than characters who got [[Main/KilledOffForReal a lot deader]].) Anyway... "The Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire" was a lot bloodier than many an X-Men arc, with limb-ripping ahoy. Corsair's "death" was much cleaner than any other in the entire arc (and there were many), and his body was buried on a habitable but uninhabited planet... the perfect place to leave a character you want to [[UnexplainedRecovery get better]] but not return right away.
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At the risk of being a Main/CaptainObvious...obvious... it seems unlikely that Corsair's really dead, even though he's the sort of Main/CListFodder that you can get away with killing. (He hadn't been seen for some time, and so he's more expendable to Main/TheVerse than characters who got [[Main/KilledOffForReal a lot deader]].) Anyway... "The Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire" was a lot bloodier than many an X-Men arc, with limb-ripping ahoy. Corsair's "death" was much cleaner than any other in the entire arc (and there were many), and his body was buried on a habitable but uninhabited planet... the perfect place to leave a character you want to [[UnexplainedRecovery get better]] but not return right away.
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* ''Also'' also, the thing about the Grigori Rasputin resurrection was that he could only revive in one of his ancestors if that ancestor was the only surviving member of his bloodline, which is why he and Mr. Sinister convinced the mentally ill Mikhail to go on a family-killing spree (and why Mikhail exiled himself when he came to his senses). With Mikhail sealed in a dimension where time stands still and nothing ever dies, there is no way that Rasputin could revive in Illyana, even if she was dead. His only possible resurrection now is if Colossus and Magik both die, upon which time he'll resurrect in Mikhail but it won't matter anyway because he'll still be a SealedEvilInACan.
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[[WMG:Wolverine is {{transgender}}.]]
Which would explain why he's short, and why his clone is female.
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* Commented on by Hellion to Armor in ''Death of Wolverine''.
-->'''Julian:''' I mean, everyone knows Logan was like that creepy uncle always hanging around with young girls. Pryde, Jubilee, you, Laura, Idie--\\
'''Hisako:''' [Punches Julian in the face] WHAT'D YOU SAY?!\\
-->'''Julian:''' I mean, everyone knows Logan was like that creepy uncle always hanging around with young girls. Pryde, Jubilee, you, Laura, Idie--\\
'''Hisako:''' [Punches Julian in the face] WHAT'D YOU SAY?!\\
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** Selene is not the oldest mutant though. Apocalypse, Exodus, the Externals, and others all predate the US Government by hundreds to thousands of years. An UltimateMarvel-style mutant conspiracy would not only require TimeTravel but a GovernmentConspiracy of unprecedented scope even by comic book standards.
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** Selene is not the oldest only ancient mutant though. Apocalypse, Exodus, the Externals, and others all predate the US Government by hundreds to thousands of years. An UltimateMarvel-style mutant conspiracy would not only require TimeTravel but a GovernmentConspiracy of unprecedented scope even by comic book standards.
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* Never confirmed because Marvel has forgotten Jack Winters existed, but this troper would be personally amazed if that ''wasn't'' the case.
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** The comics go back and forth on this, so DependingOnTheWriter this could sometimes be true. Keep in mind though that an ''entire subclass'' of immortal mutants exists (the Externals) so Apocalypse's immortality isn't as far-fetched as it seems at first glance.
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** Amusingly enough, Dr. Manhattan ended up being used in ''exactly this way'' for the ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' event. Maybe he didn't create the X-Men, but hey, he ''did'' create [[spoiler:the ComicBook/New52!]]
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** Eventually proven half-right: Corsair did indeed return, but his recovery ''was'' explained: [[spoiler:he was dug up, revived as a {{Cyborg}} and now must regularly ingest nanomachine pills to stay alive]].
** Selene is not the oldest mutant though. Apocalypse, Exodus, the Externals, and others all predate the US Government by hundreds to thousands of years. An UltimateMarvel-style mutant conspiracy would not only require TimeTravel but a GovernmentConspiracy of unprecedented scope even by comic book standards.
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** As of ''The Last Will and Testament of Charles Xavier'', Chuck and Mystique had a secret marriage that no one knew about. Given Xavier's prodigious PsychicPowers, it's almost a sure bet that he's done some psychic tampering with his students where his old flame is concerned (sadly, this wouldn't even make a top ten list of the shadiest things he's done).
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In "Colossus: Bloodlines", we learned that Piotr Rasputin is a direct descendant of Grigor Rasputin, who needed a living descendant's body to inhabit. Unable to take over Piotr or his brother Mikael, he took over Illyana when he learned she was still alive. As the current Magik, Grigor coerced Colossus into becoming the new Juggernaut, and is now manipulating him to become Grigor's mindless slave.
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In "Colossus: Bloodlines", we learned that Piotr Rasputin is a direct descendant of Grigor Grigori Rasputin, who needed a living descendant's body to inhabit. Unable to take over Piotr or his brother Mikael, Mikhail, he took over Illyana when he learned she was still alive. As the current Magik, Grigor coerced Colossus into becoming the new Juggernaut, and is now manipulating him to become Grigor's mindless slave.
* ''Also'' also, the thing about the Grigori Rasputin resurrection was that he could only revive in one of his ancestors if that ancestor was the only surviving member of his bloodline, which is why he and Mr. Sinister convinced the mentally ill Mikhail to go on a family-killing spree (and why Mikhail exiled himself when he came to his senses). With Mikhail sealed in a dimension where time stands still and nothing ever dies, there is no way that Rasputin could revive in Illyana, even if she was dead. His only possible resurrection now is if Colossus and Magik both die, upon which time he'll resurrect in Mikhail but it won't matter anyway because he'll still be a SealedEvilInACan.
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* Cortez wasn't sent into another dimension though, he was subjected to a GrandTheftMe that was heavily implied to [[FateWorseThanDeath overwrite his personality entirely]].
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Following ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'', mutants are hated and feared more that ever before, which could cause the government to start using the Sentinels again. Also, considering that the BadFuture of the original Days of Future Past storyline was set in 2013, as well as the fact that the ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' film is coming out in 2014, it will be a nice ShoutOut to the former and a great tie-in for the later.
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Following ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'', mutants are hated and feared more that ever before, which could cause the government to start using the Sentinels again. Also, considering that the BadFuture of the original Days of Future Past storyline was set in 2013, as well as the fact that the ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' film is coming out in 2014, it will be a nice ShoutOut to the former and a great tie-in for the later.
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* For better or worse, the X-Men ended up being too distracted by Inhumans that year to worry about Sentinels much.
* For better or worse, the X-Men ended up being too distracted by Inhumans that year to worry about Sentinels much.
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* Don't forget that he was in a long-running relationship with Jean Grey, and Madelyne Pryor after her (if you buy into the retcon that she was subconsciously manipulating people around her with her nascent telepathy). Being in relationships with no fewer than ''three'' telepaths, and then being subject to the whims of an even more powerful fourth (Xavier), has got to do strange things to a person's mind.
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* Iceman has always been something of an emotionally stunted manchild, which was the pre-retcon explanation for his perpetual lack of luck with the ladies. Interestingly enough, this can be used to argue for or against his sexuality retcon. This seems to be a rather popular theory in X-Men fan circles even outside of TV Tropes, though, for whatever that's worth.
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* Closeted gay gays date large numbers of woman quite frequently, and flirt with women aggressively. That's the whole point, it's a screen to hide behind. Bobby doing it deliberately very much explains away his absolutely terrible choice in female love interests up until now.
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* Maybe Jean changed his sexual orientation because she was tired of his constant flirting off-panel. She probably got fed up with his flirtation and womanizing, so she altered his memories, thinking he's only into men.
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* Maybe Jean changed his sexual orientation because she was tired of his constant flirting off-panel. She probably got fed up with his flirtation and womanizing, so she altered his memories, thinking he's only into men. Jean could have a sadistic side to her that we don't know about. I mean, She had an old mentor who had the hots for her when she was a teenager.
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[[WMG: Jean Grey made Iceman repress his bisexuality.]]
He had dated too many women to be explained by repressing his homosexuality alone. However, when the five original X-Men traveled to the present, Jean outed him and made him believe that he was gay rather than bisexual, as he suggested himself. Suddenly, the older Iceman "remembered" that he was gay all along. Just like killing the younger Cyclops made the older one disappear, putting the label "gay" on young Iceman made the older one repress his feelings for women.
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Cable is the baby from Genosha who first appeared in ''Uncanny X-Men'' #235, and then [[Characters/XMenRoguesGalleryMToZ Madelyne Pryor]] got hold of in #238. During an offscreen moment during ''Comicbook/{{Inferno}}'', Pryor switched her baby with the Genoshan baby, a la [[Film/EscapeFromThePlanetOfTheApes Zira and Milo/Caesar]], as a secret ''Screw You'' at both Cyclops and Mr Sinister. The (never named) Genosha baby became Cable, while the actual Nathan Christopher Charles Summers is still [[FromNobodyToNightmare out there somewhere in the world]].
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Cable is the baby from Genosha who first appeared in ''Uncanny X-Men'' #235, and then [[Characters/XMenRoguesGalleryMToZ Madelyne Pryor]] got hold of in #238. During an offscreen moment during ''Comicbook/{{Inferno}}'', Pryor switched her baby with the Genoshan baby, a la baby (just like [[Film/EscapeFromThePlanetOfTheApes Zira and Milo/Caesar]], switched Milo/Caesar]]) as a secret ''Screw You'' at both Cyclops and Mr Sinister. The (never named) Genosha baby became Cable, while the actual Nathan Christopher Charles Summers is still [[FromNobodyToNightmare out there somewhere in the world]].
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Cable is the baby from Genosha who first appeared in ''Uncanny X-Men'' #235, and then [[Characters/XMenRoguesGalleryMToZ Madelyne Pryor]] got hold of in #238. During an offscreen moment during ''Comicbook/{{Inferno}}'', Pryor switched her baby with the Genoshan baby, a la [[Film/EscapeFromThePlanetOfTheApes Zira and Milo/Caesar]], as a secret ''Screw You'' at both Cyclops and Mr Sinister. The (never named) Genosha baby became Cable, while the actual Nathan Christopher Charles Summers is still [[FromNobodyToNightmare out there somewhere in the world]].
Cable is the baby from Genosha who first appeared in ''Uncanny X-Men'' #235, and then [[Characters/XMenRoguesGalleryMToZ Madelyne Pryor]] got hold of in #238. During an offscreen moment during ''Comicbook/{{Inferno}}'', Pryor switched her baby with the Genoshan baby, a la [[Film/EscapeFromThePlanetOfTheApes Zira and Milo/Caesar]], as a secret ''Screw You'' at both Cyclops and Mr Sinister. The (never named) Genosha baby became Cable, while the actual Nathan Christopher Charles Summers is still [[FromNobodyToNightmare out there somewhere in the world]].
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[[WMG: There will be a new X-man character introduced with a mutant power to produce {{Pepsi}}.]]
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They will be one of the few, if not only, mutants who is not discriminated by society, and might be the one bringing mediation between mutants and non-mutants.
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Every use of mental powers that looks the slightest bit fishy is proof. Everything that might disprove it is a memory fabricated by psychic mutants to cover their tracks. First, Xavier led the hive mind; later, Emma Frost took over. In the Main/UltimateMarvel universe, they rule separate hives.
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Every use of mental powers that looks the slightest bit fishy is proof. Everything that might disprove it is a memory fabricated by psychic mutants to cover their tracks. First, Xavier led the hive mind; later, Emma Frost took over. In the Main/UltimateMarvel ComicBook/UltimateMarvel universe, they rule separate hives.
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** Well, some versions like [[UltimateMarvel [[ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate Xavier]] did showed dickish behavior.
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* In UltimateMarvel, [[spoiler:so-called]] Mutants are [[spoiler: the product of the Canadian (!) superhuman-project]].
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* In UltimateMarvel, ComicBook/UltimateMarvel, [[spoiler:so-called]] Mutants are [[spoiler: the product of the Canadian (!) superhuman-project]].
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That whole thing about being a Canadian from the 1700s? Total RedHerring and he's really a poor carpenter from Israel who was born around 1 BC. Think about it both were short and Jesus was presumably hairy. Wolverine could survive crucifixion and come back a bit later after being knocked out. Also Mary Magdalene is often associated with red and to quote wolvie in that awful new Spider-man cartoon he "likes [him] a redhead." Also something about DanBrown. As for the complete change in personality? Well thinking about all the terrible stuff that the universe has put wolverine through in the last 200 years alone I wouldn't blame anyone for being a dick if they went through that kind of crap for ten times longer. As for how he is on so many teams at once? [[AWizardDidIt Jesus did it.]]
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That whole thing about being a Canadian from the 1700s? Total RedHerring and he's really a poor carpenter from Israel who was born around 1 BC. Think about it both were short and Jesus was presumably hairy. Wolverine could survive crucifixion and come back a bit later after being knocked out. Also Mary Magdalene is often associated with red and to quote wolvie in that awful new Spider-man cartoon he "likes [him] a redhead." Also something about DanBrown.Creator/DanBrown. As for the complete change in personality? Well thinking about all the terrible stuff that the universe has put wolverine through in the last 200 years alone I wouldn't blame anyone for being a dick if they went through that kind of crap for ten times longer. As for how he is on so many teams at once? [[AWizardDidIt Jesus did it.]]
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*Eventually happened in ''ComicBook/AmazingXMen''. Cost him his soul though.
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*Woah, this is an old one. Magik has been back since before ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'', which at the time of writing was four years ago. Also, Colossus lost his Juggernaut powers when he became part of the Phoenix Five (along with Magik, Cyclops, Emma Frost and Namor) during that event.
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He's already been cloned once, and suffers from amnesia. Who's to say that his regenerative factor, some scientists monkeying with his DNA or both resulted in Wolverine copies and thus he ended up everywhere. Hey, if DoctorDoom can [[ActuallyADoombot make completely realistic and identical copies]] so that the fans don't say "they ruined Doctor Doom!", why can't James Howlett?
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He's already been cloned once, and suffers from amnesia. Who's to say that his regenerative factor, some scientists monkeying with his DNA or both resulted in Wolverine copies and thus he ended up everywhere. Hey, if DoctorDoom Doctor Doom can [[ActuallyADoombot make completely realistic and identical copies]] so that the fans don't say "they ruined Doctor Doom!", why can't James Howlett?
