History WMG / XMen

4th Apr '18 4:19:48 PM zealots
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** Selene is not the oldest mutant though. Apocalypse, Exodus, the Externals, and others all predate the US Government by hundreds to thousands of years. An UltimateMarvel-style mutant conspiracy would not only require TimeTravel but a GovernmentConspiracy of unprecedented scope even by comic book standards.

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** Selene is not the oldest only ancient mutant though. Apocalypse, Exodus, the Externals, and others all predate the US Government by hundreds to thousands of years. An UltimateMarvel-style mutant conspiracy would not only require TimeTravel but a GovernmentConspiracy of unprecedented scope even by comic book standards.
4th Apr '18 4:15:12 PM zealots
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* Never confirmed because Marvel has forgotten Jack Winters existed, but this troper would be personally amazed if that ''wasn't'' the case.




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** The comics go back and forth on this, so DependingOnTheWriter this could sometimes be true. Keep in mind though that an ''entire subclass'' of immortal mutants exists (the Externals) so Apocalypse's immortality isn't as far-fetched as it seems at first glance.




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** Amusingly enough, Dr. Manhattan ended up being used in ''exactly this way'' for the ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' event. Maybe he didn't create the X-Men, but hey, he ''did'' create [[spoiler:the ComicBook/New52!]]




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** Eventually proven half-right: Corsair did indeed return, but his recovery ''was'' explained: [[spoiler:he was dug up, revived as a {{Cyborg}} and now must regularly ingest nanomachine pills to stay alive]].



** Selene is not the oldest mutant though. Apocalypse, Exodus, the Externals, and others all predate the US Government by hundreds to thousands of years. An UltimateMarvel-style mutant conspiracy would not only require TimeTravel but a GovernmentConspiracy of unprecedented scope even by comic book standards.




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** As of ''The Last Will and Testament of Charles Xavier'', Chuck and Mystique had a secret marriage that no one knew about. Given Xavier's prodigious PsychicPowers, it's almost a sure bet that he's done some psychic tampering with his students where his old flame is concerned (sadly, this wouldn't even make a top ten list of the shadiest things he's done).






In "Colossus: Bloodlines", we learned that Piotr Rasputin is a direct descendant of Grigor Rasputin, who needed a living descendant's body to inhabit. Unable to take over Piotr or his brother Mikael, he took over Illyana when he learned she was still alive. As the current Magik, Grigor coerced Colossus into becoming the new Juggernaut, and is now manipulating him to become Grigor's mindless slave.

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In "Colossus: Bloodlines", we learned that Piotr Rasputin is a direct descendant of Grigor Grigori Rasputin, who needed a living descendant's body to inhabit. Unable to take over Piotr or his brother Mikael, Mikhail, he took over Illyana when he learned she was still alive. As the current Magik, Grigor coerced Colossus into becoming the new Juggernaut, and is now manipulating him to become Grigor's mindless slave.



* ''Also'' also, the thing about the Grigori Rasputin resurrection was that he could only revive in one of his ancestors if that ancestor was the only surviving member of his bloodline, which is why he and Mr. Sinister convinced the mentally ill Mikhail to go on a family-killing spree (and why Mikhail exiled himself when he came to his senses). With Mikhail sealed in a dimension where time stands still and nothing ever dies, there is no way that Rasputin could revive in Illyana, even if she was dead. His only possible resurrection now is if Colossus and Magik both die, upon which time he'll resurrect in Mikhail but it won't matter anyway because he'll still be a SealedEvilInACan.




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* Cortez wasn't sent into another dimension though, he was subjected to a GrandTheftMe that was heavily implied to [[FateWorseThanDeath overwrite his personality entirely]].



Following ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'', mutants are hated and feared more that ever before, which could cause the government to start using the Sentinels again. Also, considering that the BadFuture of the original Days of Future Past storyline was set in 2013, as well as the fact that the ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' film is coming out in 2014, it will be a nice ShoutOut to the former and a great tie-in for the later.

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Following ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'', mutants are hated and feared more that ever before, which could cause the government to start using the Sentinels again. Also, considering that the BadFuture of the original Days of Future Past storyline was set in 2013, as well as the fact that the ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' film is coming out in 2014, it will be a nice ShoutOut to the former and a great tie-in for the later.
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* For better or worse, the X-Men ended up being too distracted by Inhumans that year to worry about Sentinels much.




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* Don't forget that he was in a long-running relationship with Jean Grey, and Madelyne Pryor after her (if you buy into the retcon that she was subconsciously manipulating people around her with her nascent telepathy). Being in relationships with no fewer than ''three'' telepaths, and then being subject to the whims of an even more powerful fourth (Xavier), has got to do strange things to a person's mind.




[[WMG: There will be a new X-man character introduced with a mutant power to produce Pepsi.]]

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\n* Amusingly enough, at least one story supports this WMG: ''X-Factor Forever'' features CloningBlues aficionado Mr. Sinister as a villain, and he notably pumps out clones en masse of both Sabretooth ''and Wolverine'' (who apparently never reformed and is a Marauder in this reality) to throw at that X-Men. If Wolverine can be cloned in one reality, it's safe to say he can be cloned in any of them.

[[WMG: There will be a new X-man X-Man character introduced with a mutant power to produce Pepsi.]]


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* Iceman has always been something of an emotionally stunted manchild, which was the pre-retcon explanation for his perpetual lack of luck with the ladies. Interestingly enough, this can be used to argue for or against his sexuality retcon. This seems to be a rather popular theory in X-Men fan circles even outside of TV Tropes, though, for whatever that's worth.
9th Dec '17 10:19:49 AM erforce
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See '''[[WMG/XMenFilmSeries here]]''' for the [[Film/XMen films]].

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See '''[[WMG/XMenFilmSeries here]]''' for the [[Film/XMen [[Film/XMenFilMSeries films]].



[[WMG: There is no RuleThirtyFour in the Franchise/XMen universe.]]

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[[WMG: There is no RuleThirtyFour in the Franchise/XMen ''Franchise/XMen'' universe.]]
2nd Nov '17 3:10:23 PM timemonkey
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* Closeted gay gays date large numbers of woman quite frequently, and flirt with women aggressively. That's the whole point, it's a screen to hide behind. Bobby doing it deliberately very much explains away his absolutely terrible choice in female love interests up until now.
28th Oct '17 12:56:35 AM SuperMagneto
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* Maybe Jean changed his sexual orientation because she was tired of his constant flirting off-panel. She probably got fed up with his flirtation and womanizing, so she altered his memories, thinking he's only into men.

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* Maybe Jean changed his sexual orientation because she was tired of his constant flirting off-panel. She probably got fed up with his flirtation and womanizing, so she altered his memories, thinking he's only into men. Jean could have a sadistic side to her that we don't know about. I mean, She had an old mentor who had the hots for her when she was a teenager.
28th Oct '17 12:51:27 AM SuperMagneto
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* Maybe Jean changed his sexual orientation because she was tired of his constant flirting off-panel. She probably got fed up with his flirtation and womanizing, so she altered his memories, thinking he's only into men.
20th Jun '17 8:09:25 AM General_A_S
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[[WMG: Jean Grey made Iceman repress his bisexuality.]]
He had dated too many women to be explained by repressing his homosexuality alone. However, when the five original X-Men traveled to the present, Jean outed him and made him believe that he was gay rather than bisexual, as he suggested himself. Suddenly, the older Iceman "remembered" that he was gay all along. Just like killing the younger Cyclops made the older one disappear, putting the label "gay" on young Iceman made the older one repress his feelings for women.
17th Jun '17 9:31:32 AM nombretomado
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[[WMG: The Phoenix will {{Retcon}} out the Decimation, End of Grey's storyline, Comicbook/CivilWar, and One More Day once Main/JoeQuesada leaves Marvel.]]

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[[WMG: The Phoenix will {{Retcon}} out the Decimation, End of Grey's storyline, Comicbook/CivilWar, and One More Day once Main/JoeQuesada Creator/JoeQuesada leaves Marvel.]]
7th May '17 5:35:33 PM Zeiss
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Cable is the baby from Genosha who first appeared in ''Uncanny X-Men'' #235, and then [[Characters/XMenRoguesGalleryMToZ Madelyne Pryor]] got hold of in #238. During an offscreen moment during ''Comicbook/{{Inferno}}'', Pryor switched her baby with the Genoshan baby, a la [[Film/EscapeFromThePlanetOfTheApes Zira and Milo/Caesar]], as a secret ''Screw You'' at both Cyclops and Mr Sinister. The (never named) Genosha baby became Cable, while the actual Nathan Christopher Charles Summers is still [[FromNobodyToNightmare out there somewhere in the world]].

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Cable is the baby from Genosha who first appeared in ''Uncanny X-Men'' #235, and then [[Characters/XMenRoguesGalleryMToZ Madelyne Pryor]] got hold of in #238. During an offscreen moment during ''Comicbook/{{Inferno}}'', Pryor switched her baby with the Genoshan baby, a la baby (just like [[Film/EscapeFromThePlanetOfTheApes Zira and Milo/Caesar]], switched Milo/Caesar]]) as a secret ''Screw You'' at both Cyclops and Mr Sinister. The (never named) Genosha baby became Cable, while the actual Nathan Christopher Charles Summers is still [[FromNobodyToNightmare out there somewhere in the world]].
28th Apr '17 1:02:08 PM Zeiss
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[[WMG:ComicBook/{{Cable}} is not and never was the son of Cyclops.]]
Cable is the baby from Genosha who first appeared in ''Uncanny X-Men'' #235, and then [[Characters/XMenRoguesGalleryMToZ Madelyne Pryor]] got hold of in #238. During an offscreen moment during ''Comicbook/{{Inferno}}'', Pryor switched her baby with the Genoshan baby, a la [[Film/EscapeFromThePlanetOfTheApes Zira and Milo/Caesar]], as a secret ''Screw You'' at both Cyclops and Mr Sinister. The (never named) Genosha baby became Cable, while the actual Nathan Christopher Charles Summers is still [[FromNobodyToNightmare out there somewhere in the world]].
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