History WMG / XMen

8th Jan '17 3:36:49 PM nombretomado
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Every use of mental powers that looks the slightest bit fishy is proof. Everything that might disprove it is a memory fabricated by psychic mutants to cover their tracks. First, Xavier led the hive mind; later, Emma Frost took over. In the Main/UltimateMarvel universe, they rule separate hives.

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Every use of mental powers that looks the slightest bit fishy is proof. Everything that might disprove it is a memory fabricated by psychic mutants to cover their tracks. First, Xavier led the hive mind; later, Emma Frost took over. In the Main/UltimateMarvel ComicBook/UltimateMarvel universe, they rule separate hives.



** Well, some versions like [[UltimateMarvel Ultimate Xavier]] did showed dickish behavior.

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** Well, some versions like [[UltimateMarvel [[ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate Xavier]] did showed dickish behavior.



* In UltimateMarvel, [[spoiler:so-called]] Mutants are [[spoiler: the product of the Canadian (!) superhuman-project]].

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* In UltimateMarvel, ComicBook/UltimateMarvel, [[spoiler:so-called]] Mutants are [[spoiler: the product of the Canadian (!) superhuman-project]].
30th Jul '16 12:00:35 PM nombretomado
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That whole thing about being a Canadian from the 1700s? Total RedHerring and he's really a poor carpenter from Israel who was born around 1 BC. Think about it both were short and Jesus was presumably hairy. Wolverine could survive crucifixion and come back a bit later after being knocked out. Also Mary Magdalene is often associated with red and to quote wolvie in that awful new Spider-man cartoon he "likes [him] a redhead." Also something about DanBrown. As for the complete change in personality? Well thinking about all the terrible stuff that the universe has put wolverine through in the last 200 years alone I wouldn't blame anyone for being a dick if they went through that kind of crap for ten times longer. As for how he is on so many teams at once? [[AWizardDidIt Jesus did it.]]

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That whole thing about being a Canadian from the 1700s? Total RedHerring and he's really a poor carpenter from Israel who was born around 1 BC. Think about it both were short and Jesus was presumably hairy. Wolverine could survive crucifixion and come back a bit later after being knocked out. Also Mary Magdalene is often associated with red and to quote wolvie in that awful new Spider-man cartoon he "likes [him] a redhead." Also something about DanBrown.Creator/DanBrown. As for the complete change in personality? Well thinking about all the terrible stuff that the universe has put wolverine through in the last 200 years alone I wouldn't blame anyone for being a dick if they went through that kind of crap for ten times longer. As for how he is on so many teams at once? [[AWizardDidIt Jesus did it.]]
12th Apr '16 1:38:06 AM Digifiend
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*Eventually happened in ''ComicBook/AmazingXMen''. Cost him his soul though.




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*Woah, this is an old one. Magik has been back since before ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'', which at the time of writing was four years ago. Also, Colossus lost his Juggernaut powers when he became part of the Phoenix Five (along with Magik, Cyclops, Emma Frost and Namor) during that event.
28th Dec '15 11:05:07 AM Anddrix
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He's already been cloned once, and suffers from amnesia. Who's to say that his regenerative factor, some scientists monkeying with his DNA or both resulted in Wolverine copies and thus he ended up everywhere. Hey, if DoctorDoom can [[ActuallyADoombot make completely realistic and identical copies]] so that the fans don't say "they ruined Doctor Doom!", why can't James Howlett?

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He's already been cloned once, and suffers from amnesia. Who's to say that his regenerative factor, some scientists monkeying with his DNA or both resulted in Wolverine copies and thus he ended up everywhere. Hey, if DoctorDoom Doctor Doom can [[ActuallyADoombot make completely realistic and identical copies]] so that the fans don't say "they ruined Doctor Doom!", why can't James Howlett?
11th Oct '15 1:49:49 PM StFan
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Wolverine's old, uses his claws a lot and doesn't age. Meanwhile OldManLogan has him being old and ''not using his claws'' since the villains took over and ''aging''. Clearly he needs to use his claws to keep his healing factor sharp.

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Wolverine's old, uses his claws a lot and doesn't age. Meanwhile OldManLogan ''ComicBook/OldManLogan'' has him being old and ''not using his claws'' since the villains took over and ''aging''. Clearly he needs to use his claws to keep his healing factor sharp.
26th Sep '15 8:54:33 PM nombretomado
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*** [[RuleofThree Orrrrr]] Jean Grey and the Phoenix get over their collective mental problems and realize something is fishy so she gathers a dream team of [[DroppedaBridgeonHim dead]] and [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome forgotten]] characters to help her find, gang-up on and collectively beat the ever loving crap out of whoever is doing this. (the characters I have in my head for this are Wasp and the Pat Mulligan version of Toxin) Cue them finding [[OneMoreDay Mephisto about to erase the Parker's marriage]] while hiding either a Cosmic cube or the Infinity Gauntlet behind his back. Cue the Phoenix smacking the Macguffin out of his hand and a hilariously over the top curbstomp battle. Then they could either just retcon stuff out at their leisure or they could pull a Crisis on Infinite earths style reboot.

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*** [[RuleofThree Orrrrr]] Jean Grey and the Phoenix get over their collective mental problems and realize something is fishy so she gathers a dream team of [[DroppedaBridgeonHim dead]] and [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome forgotten]] characters to help her find, gang-up on and collectively beat the ever loving crap out of whoever is doing this. (the characters I have in my head for this are Wasp and the Pat Mulligan version of Toxin) Cue them finding [[OneMoreDay [[ComicBook/OneMoreDay Mephisto about to erase the Parker's marriage]] while hiding either a Cosmic cube or the Infinity Gauntlet behind his back. Cue the Phoenix smacking the Macguffin out of his hand and a hilariously over the top curbstomp battle. Then they could either just retcon stuff out at their leisure or they could pull a Crisis on Infinite earths style reboot.
26th Aug '15 4:12:15 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: Kurt Wagner and Hank [=McCoy=] are both [[TheMuppets Muppets]] ]]

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[[WMG: Kurt Wagner and Hank [=McCoy=] are both [[TheMuppets [[Franchise/TheMuppets Muppets]] ]]
13th May '15 5:02:55 PM StFan
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[[WMG: There is no RuleThirtyFour in the Franchise/{{X-Men}} universe.]]

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[[WMG: There is no RuleThirtyFour in the Franchise/{{X-Men}} Franchise/XMen universe.]]



* Except that it's been established, thanks to alternate universes, such as Age of Apocalypse and Exiles, that Morph used to be Changeling when first starting out. In the [=AoA=], they're on two entirely different continents during consecutively running stories, X-Calibre and Astonishing X-men, respectively. Changeling died while posing as Professor X. The team keeps trusting her because she's just that manipulative, and the writers keep handing them the IdiotBall.

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* Except that it's been established, thanks to alternate universes, such as Age of Apocalypse and Exiles, that Morph used to be Changeling when first starting out. In the [=AoA=], they're on two entirely different continents during consecutively running stories, X-Calibre and Astonishing X-men, X-Men, respectively. Changeling died while posing as Professor X. The team keeps trusting her because she's just that manipulative, and the writers keep handing them the IdiotBall.



And the Hulk will have to put aside his differences with Xavier and the X-men to take them down. Skaar will become the new War, Hiro-Kala shall become death, Carmilla Black will finally be confirmed as Banner's daughter and become the new Pestilence, and Lyra will become Famine because there was nothing left.

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And the Hulk will have to put aside his differences with Xavier and the X-men X-Men to take them down. Skaar will become the new War, Hiro-Kala shall become death, Carmilla Black will finally be confirmed as Banner's daughter and become the new Pestilence, and Lyra will become Famine because there was nothing left.



** [[{{UltimateX-Men}} Ultimate Wolverine]] certainly seemed to be. He slept with teenage Jean Grey, dated teenage Storm, secretly hid in bushes and watched teenage Scarlet Witch have sex with her brother, and tried to do ''something'' adult with Mary Jane Watson, high-school freshman.

** And don't forget Hisako (aka Armor) in Astonishing X-Men.

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** [[{{UltimateX-Men}} [[ComicBook/UltimateXMen Ultimate Wolverine]] certainly seemed to be. He slept with teenage Jean Grey, dated teenage Storm, secretly hid in bushes and watched teenage Scarlet Witch have sex with her brother, and tried to do ''something'' adult with Mary Jane Watson, high-school freshman.

** And don't forget Hisako (aka (a.k.a. Armor) in Astonishing X-Men.
8th Mar '15 10:20:54 PM Phoenixion
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Following AvengersVSX-Men, mutants are hated and feared more that ever before, which could cause the government to start using the Sentinels again. Also, considering that the BadFuture of the original Days of Future Past storyline was set in 2013, as well as the fact that the ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' film is coming out in 2014, it will be a nice ShoutOut to the former and a great tie-in for the later.

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Following AvengersVSX-Men, ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'', mutants are hated and feared more that ever before, which could cause the government to start using the Sentinels again. Also, considering that the BadFuture of the original Days of Future Past storyline was set in 2013, as well as the fact that the ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' film is coming out in 2014, it will be a nice ShoutOut to the former and a great tie-in for the later.
8th Mar '15 10:19:00 PM Phoenixion
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** [[FridgeBrilliance Would this make the second voice in his head a secondary mutation?]]

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** * [[FridgeBrilliance Would this make the second voice in his head a secondary mutation?]]



** X-Men created before Watchmen? Check. X-Men and Watchmen coming from different, competing companies? Check.
** Doctor Manhattan being an omnipotent being who is dislocated from time? Check.

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** * X-Men created before Watchmen? Check. X-Men and Watchmen coming from different, competing companies? Check.
** * Doctor Manhattan being an omnipotent being who is dislocated from time? Check.



** Except mutants were around long before the Government. The oldest one, Selene, has been around since the Hyperborean people.
*** Maybe she was created recently with false memories.
*** Also, TimeTravel exists in the MU.
** In UltimateMarvel, [[spoiler:so-called]] Mutants are [[spoiler: the product of the Canadian (!) superhuman-project]].

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** * Except mutants were around long before the Government. The oldest one, Selene, has been around since the Hyperborean people.
*** ** Maybe she was created recently with false memories.
*** ** Also, TimeTravel exists in the MU.
** * In UltimateMarvel, [[spoiler:so-called]] Mutants are [[spoiler: the product of the Canadian (!) superhuman-project]].



** Didn't Wolverine also leave Kitty in the giant bullet? And since she and Wolverine have, traditionally, had a much much closer relationship than she and Scott, if she's gonna feel betrayed by anyone should it be him instead?
** And Scott ''did'' try to get her out, in fact its said they tried all they could possibly do, they just couldn't. Utopia isn't a mutant Ghetto, really, its more along the same lines as the X-Mansion. Mutants live free of persecution, and train and learn to use their powers safely. The only problem they could have with it would be the same problems with the X-Mansion. Also, [[spoiler: Kurt's death was a HeroicSacrifice, and effectively saved all mutants. it wasn't either Scott's fault or anything he could have stopped or avoided.]] And as pointed out, Logan is just as much at fault, and [[spoiler:with your logic, is just as much at fault for Kurt's death, probably more so since he was just with him.]]

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** * Didn't Wolverine also leave Kitty in the giant bullet? And since she and Wolverine have, traditionally, had a much much closer relationship than she and Scott, if she's gonna feel betrayed by anyone should it be him instead?
** * And Scott ''did'' try to get her out, in fact its said they tried all they could possibly do, they just couldn't. Utopia isn't a mutant Ghetto, really, its more along the same lines as the X-Mansion. Mutants live free of persecution, and train and learn to use their powers safely. The only problem they could have with it would be the same problems with the X-Mansion. Also, [[spoiler: Kurt's death was a HeroicSacrifice, and effectively saved all mutants. it wasn't either Scott's fault or anything he could have stopped or avoided.]] And as pointed out, Logan is just as much at fault, and [[spoiler:with your logic, is just as much at fault for Kurt's death, probably more so since he was just with him.]]



* There's also the interpretation that all the male members of the Summers clan have a genetic mental disorder, which would mean that Scott's would have been built on, if not by the brain damage, then certainly by the PTSD. Even if this was not the case then he still spent most of his childhood in the hands of either a madman or a criminal. So another question is why didn't anyone get him therapy as soon as he arrived in the school as a teenager, as it seems that one trauma after another has broken him down.

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* There's also the interpretation that all the male members of the Summers clan have a genetic mental disorder, which would mean that Scott's would have been built on, if not by the brain damage, then certainly by the PTSD. Even if this was not the case then he still spent most of his childhood in the hands of either a madman or a criminal. So another question is why didn't anyone get him therapy as soon as he arrived in the school as a teenager, as it seems that one trauma after another has broken him down.



** Confirmed, although it'll be the new ''Uncanny'' series (most likely for trademark reasons).

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** * Confirmed, although it'll be the new ''Uncanny'' series (most likely for trademark reasons).
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