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Just saying. It seems everyone except {{PC}}s belongs to this secret society. It's something they do in the weekends. Grabbing a red bandanna and hiding behind an apple tree is the local equivalent of morris dancing. And because it's a secret society no-one is sure who everyone else is.
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Just saying. It seems everyone except {{PC}}s belongs players belong to this secret society. It's something they do in the weekends. Grabbing a red bandanna and hiding behind an apple tree is the local equivalent of morris dancing. And because it's a secret society no-one is sure who everyone else is.
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* This is further supported by the upcoming book, ''War of the Scaleborn.'' Its synopsis includes that Alexstrasza and Vyranoth were once friends, and that they were trying to keep peace between the Aspects and the Incarnates. That being said, though, Vyranoth and the other Incarnates end up imprisoned for 20,000 years anyway, and she seemed to mourn the loss of Raszageth (who was killed by adventurers at the behest of the Aspects) the most of the remaining Incarnates.
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** Being a member of Defias is the same thing as being a member of [[LightNovel/{{Durarara}} the Dollars]]?
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** Being a member of Defias is the same thing as being a member of [[LightNovel/{{Durarara}} [[Literature/{{Durarara}} the Dollars]]?
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*** It gets rather more interesting afterward, though... [[spoiler:If you're a Death Knight, at least. The Knights of the Ebon Blade decide to bring forth their own Four Horsemen to fight against the Burning Legion, using a spell that has to be voluntarily accepted by the recipient. They choose [[HonorBeforeReason General Nazgrim]], [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking King Thoras Trollbane of Stromgarde]], [[TheAtoner High Inquisitor Sally Whitemane]], and [[TheHeart Tirion Fordring]]. Choosing Tirion comes off very much as the Ebon Blade acknowledging the great debt of gratitude they collectively owe to the man who freed them all from Arthas.]]
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*** It gets rather more interesting afterward, though... [[spoiler:If you're a Death Knight, at least. The Knights of the Ebon Blade decide to bring forth their own Four Horsemen to fight against the Burning Legion, using a spell that has to be voluntarily accepted by the recipient. They choose [[HonorBeforeReason General Nazgrim]], [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking [[RankScalesWithAsskicking King Thoras Trollbane of Stromgarde]], [[TheAtoner High Inquisitor Sally Whitemane]], and [[TheHeart Tirion Fordring]]. Choosing Tirion comes off very much as the Ebon Blade acknowledging the great debt of gratitude they collectively owe to the man who freed them all from Arthas.]]
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[[WMG: Odyn stopped the Aspects regaining their powers]]
* Odyn opposed the creation of the Aspects in the first place, but the other Keepers and the Titans overrode him. However, when the Aspects attempted to restore their powers it required approval from the Keepers and Odyn, as Prime Designate, refused to give it to them.
* Odyn opposed the creation of the Aspects in the first place, but the other Keepers and the Titans overrode him. However, when the Aspects attempted to restore their powers it required approval from the Keepers and Odyn, as Prime Designate, refused to give it to them.
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[[WMG: The Emerald Dream has a Secret Purpose]]
We were told awhile back that the Emerald Dream is basically the Titan's blueprint for Azeroth. However, the wild, untamed wilderness of the Emerald Dream contrasts with the new implications of the Titans not merely being Order-themed but a bit Order-obsessed. However, even the Chronicle offered contradictory origins for the Emerald Dream and didn't confirm which one was true. Therefore it's possible that the Emerald Dream really is a ''Chaotic'' realm of Life predating the Titans. The Titan perspective may not entirely be a lie either, merely taking credit for the particular way in which they decided to fence this wilderness off. If the theory about the Emerald Dream being natural for Azeroth is true, this could tie into the earlier WMG about Azeroth not being exactly what we have been told she is.
We were told awhile back that the Emerald Dream is basically the Titan's blueprint for Azeroth. However, the wild, untamed wilderness of the Emerald Dream contrasts with the new implications of the Titans not merely being Order-themed but a bit Order-obsessed. However, even the Chronicle offered contradictory origins for the Emerald Dream and didn't confirm which one was true. Therefore it's possible that the Emerald Dream really is a ''Chaotic'' realm of Life predating the Titans. The Titan perspective may not entirely be a lie either, merely taking credit for the particular way in which they decided to fence this wilderness off. If the theory about the Emerald Dream being natural for Azeroth is true, this could tie into the earlier WMG about Azeroth not being exactly what we have been told she is.
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The earthen of Khaz Algar apparently seem to have become like dwarves without the curse of flesh. Avaloren also features "heretics" that Odyn wants destroyed, despite no apparent aggression from ''them''. With the existence of a fifth Old God remaining in a new edition of an old in-game book, it's possible that this psuedo-curse of flesh is due to one of these locations (if they are distinct at all) harboring said fifth Old God. This would be consistent with lore in the past couple of expansions elaborating that no power is either inherently [[GoodPowersBadPeople good]] or [[BadPowersGoodPeople evil]] and contrast perfectly with this expansion specifically hammering in through Odyn's records that OrderIsNotGood. With Xal'atath long speculated to be a fifth Old God, it should be noted that she was named after Xel'lotath from ''VideoGame/EternalDarkness''. ''VideoGame/EternalDarkness'' also features [[spoiler:an Old God who more or less serves as the BigGood of the story]].
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The earthen of Khaz Algar apparently seem to have become like dwarves without the curse of flesh. Avaloren also features "heretics" that Odyn wants destroyed, despite no apparent aggression from ''them''. With the existence of a fifth Old God remaining in a new edition of an old in-game book, it's possible that this psuedo-curse of flesh is due to one of these locations (if they are distinct at all) harboring said fifth Old God. This would be consistent with lore in the past couple of expansions elaborating that no power is either inherently [[GoodPowersBadPeople good]] or [[BadPowersGoodPeople evil]] and contrast perfectly with this expansion specifically hammering in through Odyn's records that OrderIsNotGood. With Xal'atath long speculated to be a fifth Old God, it should be noted that she was named after Xel'lotath from ''VideoGame/EternalDarkness''. ''VideoGame/EternalDarkness'' also features [[spoiler:an Old God who more or less serves as the BigGood of the story]].
OrderIsNotGood.
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[[WMG: 11.0 Will be a Void Expansion with an Old God on our Side]]
Following on the "The Fifth Old God is Good" WMG for Dragonflight, the teasing that Azshara will return and bring some major Void threats with her will be the plot of 11.0. However, the twist will be that we have an Old God on our side, and we'll see references to the plot in ''VideoGame/EternalDarkness'' where [[spoiler:the "good" Old God helps us take down their brethren, perhaps even using timeline shenanigans]] by bringing in Murozond.
Following on the "The Fifth Old God is Good" WMG for Dragonflight, the teasing that Azshara will return and bring some major Void threats with her will be the plot of 11.0. However, the twist will be that we have an Old God on our side, and we'll see references to the plot in ''VideoGame/EternalDarkness'' where [[spoiler:the "good" Old God helps us take down their brethren, perhaps even using timeline shenanigans]] by bringing in Murozond.
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The expansion has been setting up from the beginning that the Primalists ''[[VillainHasAPoint aren't wrong]]'', implying that this dragon war will eventually end on good terms. However, with Raszageth dead, the three remaining Incarnates follow a pattern. Fyrakk is the aggressive, impulsive one, an unlikely candidate for a HeelFaceTurn. Iridikron is said to be the most obsessed with his grudge and even made a dark bargain he has kept from the other Incarnates, making him likely to be a full, unsympathetic villain. That just leaves Vyranoth. With Raszageth dead before the Incarnates were fully introduced, it makes it a fairly typical HighHeelFaceTurn as well.
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The expansion has been setting up from the beginning that the Primalists ''[[VillainHasAPoint aren't wrong]]'', implying that this dragon war will eventually end on good terms. However, with Raszageth dead, the three remaining Incarnates follow a pattern. Fyrakk is the aggressive, impulsive one, an unlikely candidate for a HeelFaceTurn. Iridikron is said to be the most obsessed with his grudge and even made a dark bargain he has kept from the other Incarnates, making him likely to be a full, unsympathetic villain. That just leaves Vyranoth. With Raszageth dead before the Incarnates were fully introduced, it makes it a fairly typical HighHeelFaceTurn as well.
Vyranoth.
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The expansion has been setting up from the beginning that the Primalists ''[[VillainHasAPoint aren't wrong]]'', implying that this dragon war will eventually end on good terms. However, with Raszageth dead, the three remaining Incarnates follow a pattern. Fyrakk is the aggressive, impulsive one, an unlikely candidate for a HeelFaceTurn. Iridikron is said to be the most obsessed with his grudge and even made a dark bargain he has kept from the other Incarnates, making him likely to be a full, unsympathetic villain. That just leaves Vyranoth. With Raszageth dead before the Incarnates were fully introduced, it makes it a fairly typical HighHeelFaceTurn as well.
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[[WMG: The Fifth Old God is Good]]
The earthen of Khaz Algar apparently seem to have become like dwarves without the curse of flesh. Avaloren also features "heretics" that Odyn wants destroyed, despite no apparent aggression from ''them''. With the existence of a fifth Old God remaining in a new edition of an old in-game book, it's possible that this psuedo-curse of flesh is due to one of these locations (if they are distinct at all) harboring said fifth Old God. This would be consistent with lore in the past couple of expansions elaborating that no power is either inherently [[GoodPowersBadPeople good]] or [[BadPowersGoodPeople evil]] and contrast perfectly with this expansion specifically hammering in through Odyn's records that OrderIsNotGood. With Xal'atath long speculated to be a fifth Old God, it should be noted that she was named after Xel'lotath from ''VideoGame/EternalDarkness''. ''VideoGame/EternalDarkness'' also features [[spoiler:an Old God who more or less serves as the BigGood of the story]].
The earthen of Khaz Algar apparently seem to have become like dwarves without the curse of flesh. Avaloren also features "heretics" that Odyn wants destroyed, despite no apparent aggression from ''them''. With the existence of a fifth Old God remaining in a new edition of an old in-game book, it's possible that this psuedo-curse of flesh is due to one of these locations (if they are distinct at all) harboring said fifth Old God. This would be consistent with lore in the past couple of expansions elaborating that no power is either inherently [[GoodPowersBadPeople good]] or [[BadPowersGoodPeople evil]] and contrast perfectly with this expansion specifically hammering in through Odyn's records that OrderIsNotGood. With Xal'atath long speculated to be a fifth Old God, it should be noted that she was named after Xel'lotath from ''VideoGame/EternalDarkness''. ''VideoGame/EternalDarkness'' also features [[spoiler:an Old God who more or less serves as the BigGood of the story]].
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[[WMG: Odyn will be the final boss]]
* Odyn's edicts reinforce him as a tyrannical villan.
* Odyn wanted to reach a place called Avaloren, but was foiled every time by the "heretics" there.
* The Primalists would fit the description of heretics to Odyn, making them potential allies to the beings on Avaloren.
* Dragonflight shifted Kalimdor on the map, making room behind it for an island, but not a continent.
* So the guess is that 10.2's new zone will be Avaloren, an island west of Kalimdor. We will follow Iridikron there and, as normal for our heroes, will smash through the defenses that Odyn's expeditions had never been able to do. This will lead to a MacGuffinDeliveryService type twist, however, where Odyn will congratulate us on finally giving him access to Avaloren, but we'll realize that Odyn being there is ''much worse'' than the Primalists being there. We'll have to stop Odyn from enacting some sort of OrderIsNotGood endgame, then in the aftermath finally bring some understanding between the Aspects and Incarnates.
* Odyn's edicts reinforce him as a tyrannical villan.
* Odyn wanted to reach a place called Avaloren, but was foiled every time by the "heretics" there.
* The Primalists would fit the description of heretics to Odyn, making them potential allies to the beings on Avaloren.
* Dragonflight shifted Kalimdor on the map, making room behind it for an island, but not a continent.
* So the guess is that 10.2's new zone will be Avaloren, an island west of Kalimdor. We will follow Iridikron there and, as normal for our heroes, will smash through the defenses that Odyn's expeditions had never been able to do. This will lead to a MacGuffinDeliveryService type twist, however, where Odyn will congratulate us on finally giving him access to Avaloren, but we'll realize that Odyn being there is ''much worse'' than the Primalists being there. We'll have to stop Odyn from enacting some sort of OrderIsNotGood endgame, then in the aftermath finally bring some understanding between the Aspects and Incarnates.
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** '''Confirmed''': Patch 10.1 is a new underground zone where the Djaradin Elders will pose a threat.
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[[WMG: One of Iridikron's deals was struck with the Light]]
* Iridikron's magic doesn't quite match with past appearance of Earth magic, instead having some resemblance to Light magic. This is because one of the deals he struck during the Rebellion was with the forces of Light, possibly to act as a counter to Neltharion's growing connection to the Void. This reveal may help set up the conflict for the next expansion.
* Iridikron's magic doesn't quite match with past appearance of Earth magic, instead having some resemblance to Light magic. This is because one of the deals he struck during the Rebellion was with the forces of Light, possibly to act as a counter to Neltharion's growing connection to the Void. This reveal may help set up the conflict for the next expansion.
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[[WMG: The Incarnates aside from Iridikron will die during the first patches, but will be brought back as undead variants using Decay for the final raid tier]]
* Decay is a very prominent force in the Dragon Isles, rather than the Life which is present elsewhere. Iridikron struck a deal with whatever caused it, or will do so soon. The other Incarnates would be disgusted at this, so he's kept it a secret. As he's being framed as the final big bad of the expansion, he won't pull out the Decay magic until the other three Incarnates are all dead, bringing them back in the last patch for his final assault on the Aspects.
* Decay is a very prominent force in the Dragon Isles, rather than the Life which is present elsewhere. Iridikron struck a deal with whatever caused it, or will do so soon. The other Incarnates would be disgusted at this, so he's kept it a secret. As he's being framed as the final big bad of the expansion, he won't pull out the Decay magic until the other three Incarnates are all dead, bringing them back in the last patch for his final assault on the Aspects.
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[[WMG: Both Sabellian and Wrathion will become the leaders of the Black Dragonflight, possibly alongside Ebyssian as their third co-leader/mediator.]]
* It is plainly clear that a large part of the Dragonflight story will be about them butting heads over who is the better candidate for leader, but what differs them from the conflict between Kalecgos and Arygos (where the latter was revealed to be a traitor) is that both are equally flawed for vastly different reasons. In Wrathion's case, he is young and well intentioned, but also extremely rash and prone to trying to manipulate the situation towards what he thinks is right, resulting in him accidentally making things worse with the Iron Horde. Sabellian by contrast is much older and more experienced with the intelligence and drastically better skill in manipulation, but he is plagued by his ''willing'' past atrocities he committed under the former Earth Warder, with uncertainty about whether he's actually managed to become uncorrupted, or if he's just playing a role.\\
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As such, assuming that Sabellian doesn't go traitor and is genuine, it'll become plainly clear that the two of them are not fit to be the sole leader of the flight, due to their respective flaws as leaders and as people, while any other potential candidates like Ebyssian are tricky due to the latter's reluctance to leave his role as a Highmountain. The answer therefore is that Sabellian and Wrathion will form a co-leadership (possibly alongside Ebyssian) akin to the Dwarven Council of Three Hammers, where each of them can balance the other out, with Wrathion being able to learn from the wisdom and experience of his elders, while Sabellian can properly begin to atone for his own past actions and learn from both Wrathion and Ebyssian. Ebyssian meanwhile will be a source of mediation for both in case they become too aggressive and hotheaded, without needing to devote all of his time into being the sole leader of a flight.
* It is plainly clear that a large part of the Dragonflight story will be about them butting heads over who is the better candidate for leader, but what differs them from the conflict between Kalecgos and Arygos (where the latter was revealed to be a traitor) is that both are equally flawed for vastly different reasons. In Wrathion's case, he is young and well intentioned, but also extremely rash and prone to trying to manipulate the situation towards what he thinks is right, resulting in him accidentally making things worse with the Iron Horde. Sabellian by contrast is much older and more experienced with the intelligence and drastically better skill in manipulation, but he is plagued by his ''willing'' past atrocities he committed under the former Earth Warder, with uncertainty about whether he's actually managed to become uncorrupted, or if he's just playing a role.\\
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As such, assuming that Sabellian doesn't go traitor and is genuine, it'll become plainly clear that the two of them are not fit to be the sole leader of the flight, due to their respective flaws as leaders and as people, while any other potential candidates like Ebyssian are tricky due to the latter's reluctance to leave his role as a Highmountain. The answer therefore is that Sabellian and Wrathion will form a co-leadership (possibly alongside Ebyssian) akin to the Dwarven Council of Three Hammers, where each of them can balance the other out, with Wrathion being able to learn from the wisdom and experience of his elders, while Sabellian can properly begin to atone for his own past actions and learn from both Wrathion and Ebyssian. Ebyssian meanwhile will be a source of mediation for both in case they become too aggressive and hotheaded, without needing to devote all of his time into being the sole leader of a flight.
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[[WMG:The Void Lords are a form of Roko's Basilisk]]
* The Void Lords don't actually exist yet. The Old Gods can see all possible futures, and in those futures they saw the creation of void-infused world souls which become the Void Lords. Having even greater ability to see both past and future, the Void Lords are able to command the Old Gods of the past to ensure their creation.
* The Void Lords don't actually exist yet. The Old Gods can see all possible futures, and in those futures they saw the creation of void-infused world souls which become the Void Lords. Having even greater ability to see both past and future, the Void Lords are able to command the Old Gods of the past to ensure their creation.
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[[WMG:Both the Infinite Dragonflight ''and'' Chromie will succeed in their goals regarding Nozdormu]]
* The Infinite Dragonflight seek to ensure Nozdormu will be corrupted into Murozond and take his place as their leader. Chromie has vowed to ScrewDestiny and find a way to save Nozdormu from corruption and death. In the end, at the critical moment, both events will happen. Nozdormu will trigger a TimeCrash that will turn him into Murozond, but as all of time and possibility go wild, Chromie will use the rampant time magic to split the Aspect into two possible futures. One will be a Nozdormu who turned away from what tempted him to forsake his oath at the last second, the other will be the Murozond who seeks the Hour of Twilight.
* The Infinite Dragonflight seek to ensure Nozdormu will be corrupted into Murozond and take his place as their leader. Chromie has vowed to ScrewDestiny and find a way to save Nozdormu from corruption and death. In the end, at the critical moment, both events will happen. Nozdormu will trigger a TimeCrash that will turn him into Murozond, but as all of time and possibility go wild, Chromie will use the rampant time magic to split the Aspect into two possible futures. One will be a Nozdormu who turned away from what tempted him to forsake his oath at the last second, the other will be the Murozond who seeks the Hour of Twilight.
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** Confirmed. Tarjin the Blind's fifth tale covers the Magma Pact, an alliance created between Iridikron and Djaradin when they were being drive back by the Dragonflights. The Djaradin only agreed because at least the Primalists are similar elemental beings, but planned to resume fighting them once the Aspects were defeated.
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[[WMG:One patch will deal with an underground zone, possibly Deepholm]]
* The Vault of Incarnates ends with the remaining Primal Incarnates retreating to rest after being freed. Iridikron, the earth elemental member, is stated to be the one who will shelter them. This indicates they are either underground or in Deepholm, the plane of earth elementals. The Black Dragonflight will help players access this zone to attack before they can regroup.
** This also potentially allows the players to encounter the Djaradin Elders, the four most powerful leaders of the Djaradin who were defeated by Deathwing. Many Djaradin believe they are slumbering beneath the earth.
[[WMG:Some Djaradin will ally with the Primalists due to a deal Iridikron struck with them]]
* The Djaradin are dedicated to hunting any dragons to prove their might, but there are also some proto-drakes with whom they seem to have a truce. Iridikron likely struck a deal with the Djaradin in the past, something which would disgust any of the other dragons or proto-drakes. Some of the Djaradin will assist them, while others will potentially join the players in search of a challenging fight.
[[WMG:The big reveal of the expansion is that Azeroth's world soul isn't really a Titan]]
* The Titans claim world souls are all nascent Titans, but this is a lie. They can become elemental manifestations of whatever element dominates their planet, with Azeroth originally destined to become a Primalist incarnation. The Titans installed their various engines and armies to reshape her into a Titan. Raszageth and the other Primalists learned this truth and are disgusted by the manipulation of not only their own race but the planet itself.
* The Vault of Incarnates ends with the remaining Primal Incarnates retreating to rest after being freed. Iridikron, the earth elemental member, is stated to be the one who will shelter them. This indicates they are either underground or in Deepholm, the plane of earth elementals. The Black Dragonflight will help players access this zone to attack before they can regroup.
** This also potentially allows the players to encounter the Djaradin Elders, the four most powerful leaders of the Djaradin who were defeated by Deathwing. Many Djaradin believe they are slumbering beneath the earth.
[[WMG:Some Djaradin will ally with the Primalists due to a deal Iridikron struck with them]]
* The Djaradin are dedicated to hunting any dragons to prove their might, but there are also some proto-drakes with whom they seem to have a truce. Iridikron likely struck a deal with the Djaradin in the past, something which would disgust any of the other dragons or proto-drakes. Some of the Djaradin will assist them, while others will potentially join the players in search of a challenging fight.
[[WMG:The big reveal of the expansion is that Azeroth's world soul isn't really a Titan]]
* The Titans claim world souls are all nascent Titans, but this is a lie. They can become elemental manifestations of whatever element dominates their planet, with Azeroth originally destined to become a Primalist incarnation. The Titans installed their various engines and armies to reshape her into a Titan. Raszageth and the other Primalists learned this truth and are disgusted by the manipulation of not only their own race but the planet itself.
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** Jossed. Good intentions or no, she was working for the Jailer.
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** Jossed for everything except Anduin being freed of Jailer's control. He doesn't retain the looks either.
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** And now it's been completely disproven, because Garrosh is the final boss in the Siege of Orgrimmar. Therefor, Jossed.
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If that's the case, I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard later released a final expansion that details the end of the ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'', then pull a reboot to get back to the time between ''3'' and ''[=WoW=]'' and use the majority of HOTS characterization as their cornerstone of characterization to tell a new tale that hopefully do not degenerate into "Grab as many ConflictBall as we can" or "Make this guy Raid Boss, derail him as hell." Hey, if it works with VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV, I don't see why [=WoW=] cannot.
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If that's the case, I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard later released a final expansion that details the end of the ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'', then pull a reboot to get back to the time between ''3'' and ''[=WoW=]'' and use the majority of HOTS characterization as their cornerstone of characterization to tell a new tale that hopefully do not degenerate into "Grab as many ConflictBall [[ConflictBall Conflict Balls]] as we can" or "Make this guy Raid Boss, derail him as hell." Hey, if it works with VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV, I don't see why [=WoW=] cannot.
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* Confirmed: 9.2 confirms that the soul of Argus was infused with death and used as a "maul" to cripple the Arbiter.
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* Jossed: Zovaal was created by the First Ones to serve as Arbiter but eventually rebelled against his purpose. The "shattered" nature of the Shadowlands is due to each realm being individually crafted by the Forge of Afterlives with no connection to others.
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* Jossed: The Shadowlands are a system created by the First Ones to control the flow of life and death.
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* Jossed: Zovaal was created by the First Ones along with the other Eternals. The Shadowlands were always meant to be a realm of death separate from the others.
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* Semi-Confirmed: Zovaal was originally motivated by his belief that the "seventh force" would destroy reality unless the six forces were all united.
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[[WMG:Zovaal will turn out to be right, but still evil]]
* When the expansion first came out, the reveal that the Kyrians were throwing souls into the Maw while knowing the Arbiter was broken simply because of "The Path" caused many players (and Kleia, albeit briefly) to say WhatTheHellHero and label the Archon especially as LawfulStupid at ''best''. The Forsworn, despite JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope moments, had such a [[StrawmanHasAPoint blatantly sympathetic argument]] that many saw them as a DesignatedVillain group. Then in the first major patch it becomes plot relevant that the Archon was wrong and learns to accept the Forsworn (despite this being obvious to the audience all along). This sets the precedent that other things we've questioned about the Eternal Ones may be intentional.
* A mystery at the launch of the expansion was what horrific evil the Jailer could have possibly done to deserve a fate worse than most villains in Warcraft history (and inflicted upon him by his own siblings, no less). When the question is ''finally'' broached, the first main excuse is that he wanted to access some knowledge that he and his siblings were told was forbidden by the First Ones, making their reaction seem like some zealous DisproportionateRetribution rather than anything approaching justice.
* Cryptic dialogue from an artifact in Korthia, a city of secrets left by the First Ones, refers to it as the city of lies instead. Zovaal's minions in the area can also mention lies.
** My conclusion is that the Eternal Ones were lied to, probably by the First Ones, and not only did Zovaal learn the truth of this lie, but if his siblings had treated him better it all [[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot could have been avoided]]. However, at this point, he's jumped off the slippery slope and will use the truth for some evil we inevitably have to stop.
* When the expansion first came out, the reveal that the Kyrians were throwing souls into the Maw while knowing the Arbiter was broken simply because of "The Path" caused many players (and Kleia, albeit briefly) to say WhatTheHellHero and label the Archon especially as LawfulStupid at ''best''. The Forsworn, despite JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope moments, had such a [[StrawmanHasAPoint blatantly sympathetic argument]] that many saw them as a DesignatedVillain group. Then in the first major patch it becomes plot relevant that the Archon was wrong and learns to accept the Forsworn (despite this being obvious to the audience all along). This sets the precedent that other things we've questioned about the Eternal Ones may be intentional.
* A mystery at the launch of the expansion was what horrific evil the Jailer could have possibly done to deserve a fate worse than most villains in Warcraft history (and inflicted upon him by his own siblings, no less). When the question is ''finally'' broached, the first main excuse is that he wanted to access some knowledge that he and his siblings were told was forbidden by the First Ones, making their reaction seem like some zealous DisproportionateRetribution rather than anything approaching justice.
* Cryptic dialogue from an artifact in Korthia, a city of secrets left by the First Ones, refers to it as the city of lies instead. Zovaal's minions in the area can also mention lies.
** My conclusion is that the Eternal Ones were lied to, probably by the First Ones, and not only did Zovaal learn the truth of this lie, but if his siblings had treated him better it all [[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot could have been avoided]]. However, at this point, he's jumped off the slippery slope and will use the truth for some evil we inevitably have to stop.
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** Confirmed: Sylvanas serves as the final boss of the ''Chains of Domination'' patch.
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** Confirmed with the ''Chains of Domination'' patch. The Nathrezim are confirmed to be creations of Denathrius who are serving the interests of their creators and the Jailer.
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** Confirmed: At the end of the ''Chains of Domination'' patch the Jailer returns the stolen portions of Sylvanas's soul and abandons her to the mercy of Azeroth's heroes.
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** Jossed: The Runecarver was the Primus all along.
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[[WMG:The Shadowlands wasn't originally about "Death" at all]]
*From what we know now, natives to the various realms of the cosmos are deathless unless they are killed within their own realm. Only mortals die no matter where they're killed. However, it's heavily implied that what happened to Z'rali is that Denathrius discovered how to break this system for a being of the Light, leaving open the possibility that even mortals weren't ''supposed'' to be mortal. The Night Fae questline even talks about the first mortal who arrived in Ardenweald, with the ''mortal'' explaining to ''the Winter Queen'' why they were in Ardenweald. Seems a bit odd to have a timeless cosmic being have their role explained by a random mortal.
**My theory is that Zovaal saw himself as the only one capable of ensuring justice throughout the cosmos (perhaps after being confronted by some terrible, unchecked injustice much like Sargeras had), creating the role of an arbiter for himself and calling himself "The Jailer". In order to play this role, he needed to force souls to come to him when they die rather than return to their home realms and found some way, as a result creating the first mortals. So far that's as far as he got, but his endgame is to do this to all realms (there have been several references to the idea of Death trying to claim and devour everything).
**Importantly, this happened so early on in the cosmic scale that he was able to convince his siblings it was the natural order of things and isn't the direct reason for his imprisonment. Thus, when Zovaal ''was'' imprisoned and became the Banished One, they removed his heart and used it to create an artifical "Arbiter" to fulfill the same Purpose, not realizing that the purpose itself was corrupt. Zovaal now reveals that corruption to sway allies, while failing to admit that his actual plan is to ''expand'' that corruption. The Covenants unwittingly upholding a system created by Zovaal to begin with would also explain why each has a problem that has nothing to do with the Arbiter being broken (most notably with the legitimate greivances of the Forsworn).
**The Maw, taken for granted as the prison for the worst evils, would in this situation be Zovaal's ultimate arrogance (perhaps built with the theoretical evil that frightened him in mind). More and more characters are pointing out how horrible the Maw is and questioning whether ''anyone'' even deserves it. This is also supported by several of the Sinstones you can read in Revendreth, which describe absolutely monstrous people whose deeds are arguably even worse than the worst villain we've actually faced, but are nevertheless often implied to have found a permanent place in Revendreth. This will turn out to be because no one ''does'' deserve the Maw, no matter how bad (notice how he tends to have to force people into it), and it was a realm Zovaal created specifically to serve his twisted brand of justice, when his siblings' existing realms weren't good enough.
*From what we know now, natives to the various realms of the cosmos are deathless unless they are killed within their own realm. Only mortals die no matter where they're killed. However, it's heavily implied that what happened to Z'rali is that Denathrius discovered how to break this system for a being of the Light, leaving open the possibility that even mortals weren't ''supposed'' to be mortal. The Night Fae questline even talks about the first mortal who arrived in Ardenweald, with the ''mortal'' explaining to ''the Winter Queen'' why they were in Ardenweald. Seems a bit odd to have a timeless cosmic being have their role explained by a random mortal.
**My theory is that Zovaal saw himself as the only one capable of ensuring justice throughout the cosmos (perhaps after being confronted by some terrible, unchecked injustice much like Sargeras had), creating the role of an arbiter for himself and calling himself "The Jailer". In order to play this role, he needed to force souls to come to him when they die rather than return to their home realms and found some way, as a result creating the first mortals. So far that's as far as he got, but his endgame is to do this to all realms (there have been several references to the idea of Death trying to claim and devour everything).
**Importantly, this happened so early on in the cosmic scale that he was able to convince his siblings it was the natural order of things and isn't the direct reason for his imprisonment. Thus, when Zovaal ''was'' imprisoned and became the Banished One, they removed his heart and used it to create an artifical "Arbiter" to fulfill the same Purpose, not realizing that the purpose itself was corrupt. Zovaal now reveals that corruption to sway allies, while failing to admit that his actual plan is to ''expand'' that corruption. The Covenants unwittingly upholding a system created by Zovaal to begin with would also explain why each has a problem that has nothing to do with the Arbiter being broken (most notably with the legitimate greivances of the Forsworn).
**The Maw, taken for granted as the prison for the worst evils, would in this situation be Zovaal's ultimate arrogance (perhaps built with the theoretical evil that frightened him in mind). More and more characters are pointing out how horrible the Maw is and questioning whether ''anyone'' even deserves it. This is also supported by several of the Sinstones you can read in Revendreth, which describe absolutely monstrous people whose deeds are arguably even worse than the worst villain we've actually faced, but are nevertheless often implied to have found a permanent place in Revendreth. This will turn out to be because no one ''does'' deserve the Maw, no matter how bad (notice how he tends to have to force people into it), and it was a realm Zovaal created specifically to serve his twisted brand of justice, when his siblings' existing realms weren't good enough.
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* At the end of 9.1, Sylvanas will face DeathEqualsRedemption, in her final moments she will regret having helped turn Anduin and give us a key to save him: the location Arthas is being held in the Maw. When we get there, Arthas will be in a [[JourneyToTheCenterOfTheMind similar situation to Jaina in Thros]]. Uther will have to face his hatred and remember the good times with Arthas in order to bring Arthas out so he can help us destroy the Jailer's control over Anduin. By the end of the expansion, Anduin will be free and survive, but [[LockedIntoStrangeness retain the white hair and look haggard]] from the experience.
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* At the end of 9.1, Sylvanas will face DeathEqualsRedemption, in her final moments she will regret having helped turn Anduin and give us a key to save him: the location Arthas is being held in the Maw. When we get there, Arthas will be in a [[JourneyToTheCenterOfTheMind similar situation to Jaina in Thros]]. Uther will have to face his hatred and remember the good times with Arthas retake his role as Arthas' mentor and friend in order to bring Arthas out so he can help us destroy the Jailer's control over Anduin. By the end of the expansion, Anduin will be free and survive, but [[LockedIntoStrangeness retain the white hair and look haggard]] from the experience.
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* At the end of 9.1, Sylvanas will face DeathEqualsRedemption, in her final moments she will regret having helped turn Anduin and give us a key to save him. This key will be where him: the location Arthas is being held in the Maw. When we get there, Arthas will be in a [[JourneyToTheCenterOfTheMind similar situation to Jaina in Thros]]. Uther will have to face his own past and [[{{Forgiveness}} let go of his hatred of Arthas]] and remember the good times with Arthas in order to bring Arthas out so he can help us destroy the Jailer's control over Anduin. By the end of the expansion, Anduin will be free and survive, but [[LockedIntoStrangeness retain the white hair and look haggard]] from the experience.
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* At the end of 9.1, Sylvanas will face DeathEqualsRedemption, in her final moments she will regret having helped turn Anduin and give us a key to save him. This key will be where Arthas is being held in the Maw. When we get there, Arthas will be in a [[JourneyToTheCenterOfTheMind similar situation to Jaina in Thros]]. Uther will have to face his own past and [[{{Forgiveness}} let go of his hatred of Arthas]] in order to bring Arthas out so he can help us destroy the Jailer's control over Anduin. By the end of the expansion, Anduin will be free and survive, but [[LockedIntoStrangeness retain the white hair and look haggard]] from the experience.
* At the end of 9.1, Sylvanas will face DeathEqualsRedemption, in her final moments she will regret having helped turn Anduin and give us a key to save him. This key will be where Arthas is being held in the Maw. When we get there, Arthas will be in a [[JourneyToTheCenterOfTheMind similar situation to Jaina in Thros]]. Uther will have to face his own past and [[{{Forgiveness}} let go of his hatred of Arthas]] in order to bring Arthas out so he can help us destroy the Jailer's control over Anduin. By the end of the expansion, Anduin will be free and survive, but [[LockedIntoStrangeness retain the white hair and look haggard]] from the experience.
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[[WMG:A content patch will feature Maw invasions similar to the invasion events of previous expansions]]
* At the conclusion of the 9.0 Necrolord story, Kel'thuzad enacts a ritual that apparently breaks the seal preventing the Jailer's forces from leaving the Maw. He is able to summon a being out of the Maw and the Jailer's fallen Ascended are able to draw Kel'thuzad through a portal into the Maw. In a future patch, Kel'thuzad and other Covenant traitors will use this ability to launch invasions into the other realms.
* At the conclusion of the 9.0 Necrolord story, Kel'thuzad enacts a ritual that apparently breaks the seal preventing the Jailer's forces from leaving the Maw. He is able to summon a being out of the Maw and the Jailer's fallen Ascended are able to draw Kel'thuzad through a portal into the Maw. In a future patch, Kel'thuzad and other Covenant traitors will use this ability to launch invasions into the other realms.
