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It's actualy a defense mechanism by Kevin's species; in order to remain elusive, it sends psychic waves to disrupt brain functions and force people to say outdated facts about birds.
It's actualy a defense mechanism by Kevin's species; in order to remain elusive, it sends psychic waves to disrupt brain functions and force people to say outdated facts about birds.
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** Or Russel's dad made Russell go to Carl just to annoy Carl for not selling the house.
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*** In conjunction with the [=WMG=] of Russel being Short Round's grandson, this means that Short Round himself was either a Nocker or - more likely - he too was a kinain, under the guidance of IndianaJones, Archeologist Eshu!
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*** In conjunction with the [=WMG=] of Russel being Short Round's grandson, this means that Short Round himself was either a Nocker or - more likely - he too was a kinain, under the guidance of IndianaJones, Franchise/IndianaJones, Archeologist Eshu!
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[[WMG: The movie takes place in the same world as ''GirlGenius'']]
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[[WMG: The film runs on [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Spiral Energy]]]]
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** Alternatively, his father is [[TheDarkKnightSaga Mr. Lau...]]
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** Alternatively, his father is [[TheDarkKnightSaga [[Film/TheDarkKnight Mr. Lau...]]
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** Grief over Ellie's death robbed him of his powers. He probably got them back after the events of the movie, though. It explains how he got to keep the zepplin.
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** Grief over Ellie's death robbed him of his powers. He probably got them back after the events of the movie, though. It explains how he got to keep the zepplin.
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[[WMG: Russell was a child from ''{{WALL-E}}'' who time-traveled backwards to the present.]]
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[[WMG: Russell was a child from ''{{WALL-E}}'' who time-traveled backwards to the present.]]
Okay, this WMG was mainly built on the fact that Russell was kind of chubby. But still, a WMG's an WMG.
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''Do I''!
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*** This troper agrees. He could have died in the ambulance or maybe it is what Elli thinks might happen to him, heck it might even be what the kid wishes assisting the old man would end up as.
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*** This troper agrees. He could have died in the ambulance or maybe it is what Elli thinks might happen to him, heck it might even be what the kid wishes assisting the old man would end up as.
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** This is untrue. There is an Omega listed separately during the ending credits.
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The house instead crashed into the buildings that the CorruptCorporateExecutive wanted to complete in the first place, than accidentally killed said Executive ''a la'' Wicked Witch Of East. However, it ended with Russel severely injured, and Carl in a coma, thus dreaming up the rest of it...
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The scientific community laughed him off because the "monster of Paradise Falls" was (metaphorically) just another [[ScienceMarchesOn Brontosaurus]]. He declared that it was real, and he could prove it by finding a live specimen. However, if he'd been in his right mind, it would have been possible for him to accept Kevin's kind as being a real example of a Lost World species, instead of killing them and letting his dogs eat them as soon as he realized that an individual specimen wasn't the same "species" as the monster, and thus 1. useless in proving the existence of the monster, and 2. a worthless freak of nature [[CriticalResearchFailure that we already have the bones of]] (''aepyornis maximus''), just a colorful emu that nobody will care about.
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The scientific community laughed him off because the "monster of Paradise Falls" was (metaphorically) just another [[ScienceMarchesOn Brontosaurus]]. He declared that it was real, and he could prove it by finding a live specimen. However, if he'd been in his right mind, it would have been possible for him to accept Kevin's kind as being a real example of a Lost World species, instead of killing them and letting his dogs eat them as soon as he realized that an individual specimen wasn't the same "species" as the monster, and thus 1. useless in proving the existence of the monster, and 2. a worthless freak of nature [[CriticalResearchFailure that we already have the bones of]] (''aepyornis maximus''), just a colorful emu that nobody will care about.
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Muntz was in his early twenties when Carl and Elle were about, let's say- ten. This is why, when Carl and Mutz meet, they can both be old- but not ''too'' old. If Carl is maybe 70 (I don't remember if they actually ''say'' his age, so I'm sorry if that's wrong. XD) Than Muntz would only be 80.
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Muntz was in his early twenties when Carl and Elle were about, let's say- ten. This is why, when Carl and Mutz meet, they can both be old- but not ''too'' old. If Carl is maybe 70 (I don't remember if they actually ''say'' his age, so I'm sorry if that's wrong. XD) Than Muntz would only be 80.
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The JerkAss wanted Carl out so badly, so he ordered the construction workers to ''accidentally'' hit something and then told them that if should they hit anything, they should be ''aggressively'' nice, knowing that it would make Carl lose his temper and lash out. The CCE probably could have found other ways to have him evicted, but he decided to do this simply to get the message across that you don't mess with him.
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The JerkAss wanted Carl out so badly, so he ordered the construction workers to ''accidentally'' hit something and then told them that if should they hit anything, they should be ''aggressively'' nice, knowing that it would make Carl lose his temper and lash out. The CCE probably could have found other ways to have him evicted, but he decided to do this simply to get the message across that you don't mess with him.
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He's a short, adventure-loving Asian kid. Why not?
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He's a short, adventure-loving Asian kid. Why not?
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The only logical explanation for how it manages to go BeyondTheImpossible
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[[WMG: Russell is the grandchild of [[IndianaJones Short Round]].]]
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[[WMG: Russell is the grandchild of [[IndianaJones [[Film/TempleOfDoom Short Round]].]]
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*** Even hoatzins have the wing bones shaped like those of regular birds. And many other birds have wing claws anyway. STOP FAILING ORNITHOLOGY!!!!
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Because Muntz was tryign to breed a dog with extreme loyalty. Knowing that [=GR=]s are traditionally very loyal, he decided to breed them into his dogs when he finally got his hands on one. Unfortunatly, [=GR=]s are also ''extrememly'' friendly, and though Muntz may have tried to breed the "friendly" out of them.... well, let's just say, it didn't work.
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Because Muntz was tryign trying to breed a dog with extreme loyalty. Knowing that [=GR=]s Golden Retrievers are traditionally very loyal, he decided to breed them into his dogs when he finally got his hands on one. Unfortunatly, [=GR=]s Unfortunately, Golden Retrievers are also ''extrememly'' ''extremely'' friendly, and though Muntz may have tried to breed the "friendly" out of them.... well, let's just say, it didn't work.
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[[WMG: The movie takes place in the WorldOfDarkness, and it's a story about [[TabletopGame/GeniusTheTransgression Geniuses]].]]
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* Uh... Can we set it in [[TabletopGame/MageTheAscension the Old World Of Darkness]] instead? That would make Carl a Son of Ether instead, probably Awakened by contact with Ellie (who was so obviously an Adventurer-type Etherite), and he and Russel and Dug can explore a happy '50s sci-fi universe. You know, with a severely downplayed likelihood of psychosis.
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* Uh... Can we set it in [[TabletopGame/MageTheAscension the Old World Of of Darkness]] instead? That would make Carl a Son of Ether instead, probably Awakened by contact with Ellie (who was so obviously an Adventurer-type Etherite), and he and Russel and Dug can explore a happy '50s sci-fi universe. You know, with a severely downplayed likelihood of psychosis.
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* [[ChangelingTheDreaming The Old World Of Darkness, you say?]] Gather, childlings, and hear the tale of the great nocker Carl, the kinain Russel, and the chimeras Dug and Kevin, and how they did battle with Banality by venturing forth into the Dreaming and reclaiming the lost Mobile Freehold of Adventure's Soul. Our story begins with Carl loosing his house from the Earth's bonds with a cantrip and riding the winds of mortal disbelief out of this darkened world, but it should properly start with the tales of the then-Seelie eshu Muntz he followed as a childling...
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* [[ChangelingTheDreaming [[TabletopGame/ChangelingTheDreaming The Old World Of of Darkness, you say?]] Gather, childlings, and hear the tale of the great nocker Carl, the kinain Russel, and the chimeras Dug and Kevin, and how they did battle with Banality by venturing forth into the Dreaming and reclaiming the lost Mobile Freehold of Adventure's Soul. Our story begins with Carl loosing his house from the Earth's bonds with a cantrip and riding the winds of mortal disbelief out of this darkened world, but it should properly start with the tales of the then-Seelie eshu Muntz he followed as a childling...
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** We know Titanis turned out to not have wing claws since 2006. STOP. FAILING. ORNITHOLOGY. FOREVAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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* You make a rather good case; it could very well be true.
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*** Damn. That is sad...and possible. But if true, there is at least one light at the end of the tunnel: if Carl did indeed imagine the adventure, and then relate it to the audience/Russell, it would show that he did still let go of the house/his past, he did know what was important. Muntz would exist as a warning of what happens when you get too stuck in the past, what Carl could have become--he's that anyway, but him appearing in Carl's imagination would be justified as either his subconscious or Carl deliberately adding him in to make a point. And he was trying to pass that insight on. Not as awesome as a real adventure, but still heartwarming in its own way.
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* Ah... Can we set it in [[TabletopGame/MageTheAscension the Old World Of Darkness]] instead? That would make Carl a Son of Ether instead, probably Awakened by contact with Ellie (who was so obviously an Adventurer-type Etherite), and he and Russel and Dug can explore a happy '50s sci-fi universe. You know, with a severely downplayed likelihood of psychosis.
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* Ah...Uh... Can we set it in [[TabletopGame/MageTheAscension the Old World Of Darkness]] instead? That would make Carl a Son of Ether instead, probably Awakened by contact with Ellie (who was so obviously an Adventurer-type Etherite), and he and Russel and Dug can explore a happy '50s sci-fi universe. You know, with a severely downplayed likelihood of psychosis.
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* [[ChangelingTheDreaming The Old World Of Darkness, you say?]] Gather, childlings, and hear the tale of the great nocker Carl, the kinain Russel, and the chimeras Dug and Kevin, and how they did battle with Banality by venturing forth into the Dreaming and reclaiming the lost Mobile Freehold of Adventure's Soul. Our story begins with Carl loosing his house from the Earth's bonds with a cantrip and riding the winds of mortal disbelief out of this darkened world, but it should properly start with the tales of the then-Seelie eshu Muntz he followed as a childling...
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** You see, in the time before the Resurgence, Charles Muntz was a pioneer of Imagination-- But as time passed and the domain of Science grew, Muntz became obsessed with "proving" the Dreaming to a world that was losing interest. He vanished into the Far Dreaming while Carl was still a child; yet Carl found wonder in the True Dreamer Eleanor and her pure heart. But once his beloved was lost Carl sank quickly into a Grump's state of mind. Resolving to emulate his lost idol and bid farewell to a world nearing Endless Winter, Carl cast off from the Waking World in an explosion of mechanical Glamour... accidentally drawing young Russel, a kinain whose dreams were strong despite his mundane surroundings, along with him.
*** In conjunction with the [=WMG=] of Russel being Short Round's grandson, this means that Short Round himself was either a Nocker or - more likely - he too was a kinain, under the guidance of IndianaJones, Archeologist Eshu!
** You see, in the time before the Resurgence, Charles Muntz was a pioneer of Imagination-- But as time passed and the domain of Science grew, Muntz became obsessed with "proving" the Dreaming to a world that was losing interest. He vanished into the Far Dreaming while Carl was still a child; yet Carl found wonder in the True Dreamer Eleanor and her pure heart. But once his beloved was lost Carl sank quickly into a Grump's state of mind. Resolving to emulate his lost idol and bid farewell to a world nearing Endless Winter, Carl cast off from the Waking World in an explosion of mechanical Glamour... accidentally drawing young Russel, a kinain whose dreams were strong despite his mundane surroundings, along with him.
*** In conjunction with the [=WMG=] of Russel being Short Round's grandson, this means that Short Round himself was either a Nocker or - more likely - he too was a kinain, under the guidance of IndianaJones, Archeologist Eshu!
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That's why it can defy physics. And why Carl scrambles to save it instead of a living, breathing being. And why it lands on the spot Elie dreamed up for it from the beginning, on its own, in the end.
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Well, both films did have the wives of the old man of the house possessed by them.
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* If Kevin's mate was a skeleton seventy years ago, and Kevin's babies are still roughly the size of a melon, then those birds must live an [i]incredibly[/i] ''incredibly'' long time.
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** [[AllJustADream All in the mind of an autistic child]] can be applied to nearly anything fictional, and frankly, this troper finds that it gets boring.
*** This troper agrees but if you are going to go the dieing dream rout you can at least put some effort into it. He could have died in the ambulance or maybe it is what Elli thinks might happen to him, heck it might even be what the kid wishes assisting the old man would end up as.
*** This troper agrees but if you are going to go the dieing dream rout you can at least put some effort into it. He could have died in the ambulance or maybe it is what Elli thinks might happen to him, heck it might even be what the kid wishes assisting the old man would end up as.
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* Perhaps the idea of Paradise Falls being a Land Lost in Time could be related to a labyrinthine map. The only way out of the screwy timeline or what year/day/hour it is in Paradise Falls is up. This could also explain why being away from home for three days wouldn't have worried people as much as it would have, and how they could have gotten back on the same day as the badge ceremony for Russel. This is a good theory. Headcanon forever.
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* Ah... Can we set it in [[MageTheAscension [[TabletopGame/MageTheAscension the Old World Of Darkness]] instead? That would make Carl a Son of Ether instead, probably Awakened by contact with Ellie (who was so obviously an Adventurer-type Etherite), and he and Russel and Dug can explore a happy '50s sci-fi universe. You know, with a severely downplayed likelihood of psychosis.
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* [[http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/1519/11653707.JPG Meet Titanis, a terror bird with "wing bones" that could have possibly functioned like claws]]. Following the evolution WMG above, it fits in perfectly.
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* When the three dogs were shooting at Russell in the biplanes, two of them were Beta and Gamma. I always assumed the other one was Delta.
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[[WMG: Kevin is not a snipe.]]
He is actually a form of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror_bird terror bird]]. To survive competition by saber-toothed cats, it turned omnivorous. What Muntz discovered was a chimera between it, a dinosaur, Phorusrhachos, and Titanis. It was dismissed as a hoax, and no proof has been found since. Then the events of Up took place. Its genus is not of any known terror bird, since none are confirmed omnivores. He was nicknamed a snipe by Russell and Carl. Kevin probably doesn't have a common name.
He is actually a form of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror_bird terror bird]]. To survive competition by saber-toothed cats, it turned omnivorous. What Muntz discovered was a chimera between it, a dinosaur, Phorusrhachos, and Titanis. It was dismissed as a hoax, and no proof has been found since. Then the events of Up took place. Its genus is not of any known terror bird, since none are confirmed omnivores. He was nicknamed a snipe by Russell and Carl. Kevin probably doesn't have a common name.
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[[WMG: Russell is the grandchild of [[IndianaJones Short Round]].]]
He's a short, adventure-loving Asian kid. Why not?
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*If that were true, it'd have been awfully hard for him to go on excursions with Teddy Roosevelt, who died in 1919, a full decade before Muntz would have been born to only be 80 in 2009. And something vaguely wheelchair-ish is telling me he wasn't talking about FDR.
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** ...can Muntz be a dupe who got all his gear from [[WerewolfTheApocalypse Pentex]]? Paradise Falls looks like the kind of place they like to break up for parts and sell off.
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** ...can Muntz be a dupe who got all his gear from [[WerewolfTheApocalypse [[TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse Pentex]]? Paradise Falls looks like the kind of place they like to break up for parts and sell off.
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Because Muntz was tryign to breed a dog with extreme loyalty. Knowing that [=GR=]s are traditionally very loyal, he decided to breed them into his dogs when he finally got his hands on one. Unfortunatly, [=GR=]s are also ''extrememly'' friendly, and though Muntz may have tried to breed the "friendly" out of them.... well, let's just say, [[{{Understatement}} it didn't work]].
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[[WMG: Russell was a child from {{WALL-E}} who time-traveled backwards to the present.]]
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[[WMG: Russell was a child from {{WALL-E}} ''{{WALL-E}}'' who time-traveled backwards to the present.]]
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[[WMG: If above theory is correct, than the movie universe is the same as MonsterHouse]]
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[[WMG: If above theory is correct, than the movie universe is the same as MonsterHouse]]
''MonsterHouse'']]
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* Quite likely- he figured he didn't have long to live anyway, nor anything to live for with no family, so he decided to pursue the one thing he wanted in life that he could still achieve- going to Paradise Falls, even though it would be a one-way trip, and he likely wouldn't last long out there. He wanted to get there, and didn't care if it killed him, knowing full well it almost surely would.
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** Nope, one of the songs on the official soundtrack is listed as "The Small Mailman Returns".