History WMG / Tsukihime

* This clears a number of things up, such as what exactly happened to Nrvnqsr in the Far Side routes (he met SHIKI, decided two killers were one two many for the town, and ended up leaving), and what was going on when the point-of-view protagonist slaughtered a number of people in cold blood in the alley (it was actually SHIKI). Also, the idea of SHIKI and Nrvnqsr having a conversation -- while Nrvnqsr binges on coffee -- is made of funny. The only questions are how SHIKI has Nanatsu Yoru (maybe Makihisa got multiple blades from the Nanaya? SHIKI's blade is said to be similar to Shiki's, and there's reason only one such knife has to exist) and why Nrvnqsr blocked with a knife rather than a beast (who knows).

--->"Hisui and Kohaku belong to a branch family of the [[Anime/KaraNoKyoukai Fujou]] that fell into ruin after the pair’s mother broke one of clan’s taboos, which is why the two girls ended being picked up by Tohno Makihisa."

--->"Hisui and Kohaku belong to a branch family of the [[KaraNoKyoukai Fujou]] that fell into ruin after the pair’s mother broke one of clan’s taboos, which is why the two girls ended being picked up by Tohno Makihisa."

*** The ghost-girl from the first ''KaraNoKyoukai'' movie?? Compared to Tohno, maybe, but the Nanayas are the Archers of Tsukihime (made powerful purely on effort).

They are different from the ones of the Shiki of ''KaraNoKyoukai'' and SHIKI says in Drinking Dreaming Moon that he can't see the lines because of the eyes but because he understands death well, using the fact he is talking with him and that he can see Akiha's hair as proofs. In fact, he actually says Shiki's eyes AREN'T of Death Perception.

The result is that [[MultipleEndings Nearby timelines]] [[MeltyBlood fuse together]], [[CurseEscapeClause large scale time travel becomes possible]], and [[{{Sliding Scale Of Silliness Versus Seriousness}} events]] and [[BigBad beings]] are attracted to this like blood in the water. Hence ''MeltyBlood'' being a mishmash of continuities even ''within itself'', with a character that the original WordOfGod said ''[[KaraNoKyoukai did not exist in the same universe as Shiki Tohno]]'' coming into play.

* I haven't gotten far enough in KaraNoKyoukai to learn of Touko's goal and why it contradicts the Shinsou (and so I can't argue against the WordOfGod alternate reality), but yes, different versions of people certainly exist in multiple universes. On the other hand, while the odds of two people having Mystic Eyes of Death Perception is incredibly low, the different circumstances of the Shikis doesn't really rely on those odds all that much. Ryougi's eyes are an in-born ability, that started to be expressed after her two-year long coma/exposure to death. Nanaya's eyes are a total accident; he already had the Pure Eyes ability of seeing mystical things that were otherwise unseeable, and his near-death experience caused his brain to start perceiving lines of Death. Barring some really weird chaos theory explanation, it doesn't seem like those events would necessarily interact at all, let alone counter each other to the extent of necessitating an alternate universe. Quoth [[TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy Trillian]], it's not impossible, just very, very improbable.

The result is that [[RoadCone Nearby timelines]] [[MeltyBlood fuse together]], [[CurseEscapeClause large scale time travel becomes possible]], and [[{{Sliding Scale Of Silliness Versus Seriousness}} events]] and [[BigBad beings]] are attracted to this like blood in the water. Hence ''MeltyBlood'' being a mishmash of continuities even ''within itself'', with a character that the original WordOfGod said ''[[KaraNoKyoukai did not exist in the same universe as Shiki Tohno]]'' coming into play.

*** That would be something not only transparently greedy and therefore pointlessly stupid, but also completely out-of-character for Type-Moon. Again, why exactly would they do something like that, rather than include "extracanonical" information in a single game...like they did with every other game they've released? It's not like they bothered going [[OneGameForThePriceOfTwo the Pokemon route]] with Kagetsu Tohya, Melty Blood, Fate/Hollow Ataraxia, Fate/Unlimited Codes, etc. Also, if you were talking ''fan'' considerations of canon...why would that affect what the company did?

** That makes it even more apt. If prana isn't energy, then the creation of objects which aren't phantasms is ''also'' violating the laws of physics and creating matter out of nothing, but energy and matter are basically the same thing in two different states by way of E=MC2. And the reversal of the reality marble (Going by this WMG) is actually Satsuki's transformation into a vampire, gain without loss is the natural state of her origin before she gets turned. I don't know if it's possible at all for an origin to change, but if anything in the Nasuverse could do it, it would be the corruption of the soul that comes with the transformation into a vampire.

[[WMG: IsntItSad is the direct result of Satsuki making an EquivalentExchange trade to become TheGreatestStoryNeverTold]]

*** So she's a potential user of Blue, then? Also, backtracking a bit, prana not being energy is false, because both of its component types of mana and od are both described as forms of energy on the Nasuverse wiki. So Shirou ''is'' converting energy into matter, he's just doing it in a way that the world recognizes as being unnatural. Also, it ''is'' possible for a person's origin to change under exceptional circumstances, Ryougi Shiki's origin was "conflict" prior to her receiving the MEoDP, whereupon it changed into "void".

*** The reality marble is only a reflection of Satsuki's abilities, she'd still need actual training as a magus in order to eventually learn to use the First. The point is that she has the ''potential'' to do so, not that she's already doing it with DG.

Len would have a much easier time taking elements and events from Shiki's memories than inventing them whole cloth. In fact, the dream starts to collapse when Shiki goes somewhere he hasn't been to in waking life; SoYeah; for example, he's never been to the Barbecue place outside of town; he had just heard about it. ''However'', here's the tricky thing. It's not just what Shiki has done, but also his nearby AlternateUniverse selves have done as well. When discovered that Arcueid is awake, that she is dead, that she is in her castle in the moon sleeping; the dream says that Shiki has access to ''all'' of the routes. So...none of his selves had been to the Barbecue place, and apparently nobody else whose dream memories intersect his has either.

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