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* Both are {{Eerie Pale Skinned Brunettes}} wearing black and green, wielding sorcery and blades.

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[[WMG: Hela is Loki's mother.]]
Let's have a look at the evidence:
* Both are {{Eerie Pale Skinned Brunettes}} wearing black and green, wielding sorcery and blades.
* Like Loki, Hela is ambitious, melodramatic and demands people to kneel before her. Unlike him, she is intimidating and a NoNonsenseNemesis who knows how to get what she wants.
* Loki was found abandoned by his father, presumably for being a runt, but being half-Asgardian would give Laufey a better reason. Odin immediately decides to adopt him. He adapts very easily to Asgard and his adoptive parents, especially Frigga, take to him. Hela could have left him while on the run from Odin (or plainly disappointed by Laufey's weakness). We are also reminded of Loki's adoption early on in the movie.
* Odin had some vague plan of "joining the realms" with Jotunnheim, which would make more sense if Loki was also descended from him.
* Hela knows her father had lost one eye, and in the first film he was shown with a fresh wound after the battle of Jotunnheim.
* Hela immediately dismisses the Casket of Ancient Winters as weak. She must have witnessed it in action and if it has been in an Asgard-Jotunnheim war with her at the helm, it's safe to say it would have been Laufey's last. We know that's not the case. Hence she might have seen it while fighting side by side with Laufey.
* EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory, but when Hela impales the murals in Odin's throne room, one crack does through the image of Laufey, and the other through Odin, Frigga and Loki.
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** Jossed:[[spoiler:Surtur is unleashed on Asgard in the climax by Thor and Loki to kill Hela]].

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* Jossed insofar as Tom Hiddleston will be playing the character in ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar''. Perhaps once that happens, you could get Kid Loki.

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* Jossed insofar as Tom Hiddleston will be playing plays the character in ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar''. Perhaps once that happens, you could get Kid Loki.



* Jossed. [[spoiler: Unless he's in that ship during the Mid-Credits scene...]]

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* Jossed. [[spoiler: Unless he's in that Jossed, we don't learn anything about Thanos's backstory. [[spoiler:His ship does show up during the Mid-Credits scene...scene, though.]]



* [[spoiler: Jossed, if the teaser for Infinity War is any indication.]]
** [[spoiler: Actually confirmed, in the end he sits on the throne of the spaceship housing the evacuated population of Asgard being called their King.]]

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* [[spoiler: Jossed, if the teaser for Infinity War is any indication.]]
** [[spoiler: Actually confirmed,
[[spoiler:Confirmed, in the end he sits on the throne of the spaceship housing the evacuated population of Asgard being called their King.]]



* [[spoiler: Since it was revealed that Leah grew up to become Hela, then she'll appear in that sense. Whether or not we actually see her as Leah (when she was younger) remains to be seen. It could give her a good backstory, with some adjustments, of course.]]
** Jossed.

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* [[spoiler: Since it was revealed that Leah grew up to become Hela, then she'll appear in that sense. Whether or not we actually see her as Leah (when she was younger) remains to be seen. It could give her a good backstory, with some adjustments, of course.]]
** * Jossed.



* Confirmed-ish. He didn't specify Asgard, but Kevin Feige did say that the movie is cosmic in scope, and that as a result, very little of it takes place on Earth.

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* Confirmed-ish. He didn't specify Asgard, but Kevin Feige did say that Confirmed. Only Brief scenes at the movie is cosmic in scope, beginning are set on Earth (New York and that as a result, very little of it Norway, specifically), the rest takes place on Earth.
Asgard and on Sakaar.



* [[spoiler:Confirmed, although it happens at the beginning of ''Infinity War''. The first Stinger of ''Ragnarok'' only shows Thanos's ship approaching the Statesman.]]



** [[spoiler: If that's Thanos in the ship that shows up in the Mid-Credits scene, then confirmed.]]

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** [[spoiler: If that's Thanos in the ship that shows up in the Mid-Credits scene, then confirmed.]]
*** Jossed.



* Possibly confirmed as of the second trailer, where he's seen carrying out a conversation with Thor.

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* Possibly confirmed Probably confirmed, as of the second trailer, where he's seen carrying out a rather insightful conversation with Thor.



** Confirmed, but not in the way you think. [[spoiler: He's let himself get captured by Surtur in order to get close enough to kill him]].

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** * Confirmed, but not in the way you think. [[spoiler: He's let himself get captured by Surtur in order to get close enough to kill him]].



** Jossed, for the most part. Odin admitted that Loki's charm had him fooled for a while, although it apparently did wear off eventually.

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** * Jossed, for the most part. Odin admitted that Loki's charm had him fooled for a while, although it apparently did wear off eventually.



** [[spoiler: Skurge does indeed fight Hela's army, as a reference to the comics scene. The scene occurs on the rainbow bridge of Bifrost, but the whole thing (including Skurge gunning down Hela's mooks with [[GunsAkimbo dual-wielded M16s]]) is straight out of his last stand at Gjallerbru in the comics.]]

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** * [[spoiler: Skurge does indeed fight Hela's army, as a reference to the comics scene. The scene occurs on the rainbow bridge of Bifrost, but the whole thing (including Skurge gunning down Hela's mooks with [[GunsAkimbo dual-wielded M16s]]) is straight out of his last stand at Gjallerbru in the comics.]]



* Jossed. Thor never gets an axe.

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* Jossed. Thor never gets an axe.
axe in ''Ragnarok''.



** [[spoiler:Semi-confirmed: Asgard gets obliterated by Surtur in the climax, but everyone except Hela is safe on the refugee ship when the place goes supernova, including Thor, so his meeting with the Guardians is coming at some later point.]].

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** * [[spoiler:Semi-confirmed: Asgard gets obliterated by Surtur in the climax, but everyone except Hela is safe on the refugee ship when the place goes supernova, including Thor, so his meeting with the Guardians is coming at some later point.]].
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*** Jossed in that Thanos doesn't invade Asgard, [[spoiler: but if that's him in the ship that shows up in the Mid-Credits scene...]]

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*** Jossed in that Thanos doesn't invade Asgard, [[spoiler: but if that's him in the [[spoiler:but his ship that shows up in the Mid-Credits scene...scene as a teaser for ''Infinity War''.]]
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* As shown in ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'', they never even get to Earth.
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[[spoiler: Halfway Jossed. He does give up the Tesseract to save Thor, but is killed by Thanos after trying to fake another betrayal.]]


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* [[spoiler:Partially confirmed. He gets Stormbreaker in Infinity War, which doesn't have the enchantment and the only thing special for it is summoning the Bifrost and being able to counteract the Infinity Gauntlet]].




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* Confirmed, as in Infinity War Hela is considered Thor's half-sister.
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**Thanos is able to use the Tesseract's power to teleport around like nobody's business once he gets it, so yes it is capable of that. As for why Loki didn't use it to save everyone at the start of ''Infinity War'' there are several reasons. On a meta level, you have the plot requiring Thanos to end up with the stone sooner or later. In-story he might not have had the opportunity. Warping a bunch of people might have needed preparation time they didn't have.
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* In addition to this Hulk is maturing far faster then average. He has at best only had a few WEEKS of subjective existence outside this and already developed enough to form some limited friendship with the other Avengers. Those friendships were simplistic as people he liked and who weren't trying to hurt him but still astoundingly complex for a few weeks of existing. It seems logical to assume that given he went from that to full sentences in two years, compared to a human going from crying indistinctly to crying and occasionally one or perhaps two words, Hulk is mentally developing at a highly accelerated rate as he catches up to Banner.

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This isn't the gush page. The Grandmaster is only "immortal" by the temporal wonkiness of Sakaar.


* This movie is one of the very few cases where you love the heroes AND the villiains. And Hela is beyond awesome. I think she won't be wasted here. She must come back!

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* This movie is one of the very few cases where you love the heroes AND the villiains. And Hela is beyond awesome. I think she won't be wasted here. She must come back!




* I assumed that Hela herself undid the enchantment after Odin's death, having inherited the powers of his office, being his firstborn and all.

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* I assumed that Hela herself undid the enchantment after Odin's death, having inherited the powers of his office, being his firstborn and all.



* Mjolnir would provide a fairly small amount of metal toward a complete suit of armor, though.

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* Mjolnir would provide a fairly small amount of metal toward a complete suit of armor, though.
but it would make protecting vital spots easy.



No worthiness enchantment, no flight, no lightning -- all the powers he once channeled through Mjolnir are now his alone. His new hammer will be just a lump of metal on a stick that he can use for smashing things, because that's the weapon he's used to using, so it makes sense to carry on fighting that way.

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No worthiness enchantment, no flight, no lightning -- all the powers he once channeled through Mjolnir are now his alone. His new hammer will be just a lump of metal on a stick that he can use for smashing things, because that's the weapon he's used to using, so it makes sense to carry on fighting that way. Also, Tony will add a fingerprint lock so only Thor can use it, so he can finally the argument from ''Age of Ultron''.



Odin had a wife before Frigga, who was Hela's mother. She died (most likely in battle), and Odin later married Frigga, who mellowed him out into a more peaceful man.

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Odin had a wife before Frigga, who was Hela's mother. She died (most likely in battle), and Odin later married Frigga, [[LoveRedeems who mellowed him out into a more peaceful man. man.]]



Skurge tells Hela that his father was a stonemason. Elliot was a stonemason in Asgard before coming to Earth.

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Skurge tells Hela that his father was a stonemason. Elliot was a stonemason in Asgard before coming to Earth.
Earth. They're also fond of



Hulk/Banner spent two years on Sakaar. However, that's two years from Thor's point of view. Time on Sakaar is a bit wobblier. Hulk has the behavioral mannerisms and speech of a 5-6 year old. Hulk is growing up. The more time Banner spends as Hulk, the older and more mature Hulk will become. Right now, we are at 'small-child' Hulk.

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Hulk/Banner spent two years on Sakaar. However, that's two years from Thor's point of view. Time on Sakaar is a bit wobblier. Hulk has the behavioral mannerisms and speech of a 5-6 year old. Hulk is growing up. The more time Banner spends as Hulk, the older and more mature Hulk will become. Right now, we are at 'small-child' Hulk.
Hulk. This means that we could eventually have Tony discussing thermo-nuclear astro physics with Banner ''and'' Hulk.



* Except plenty of mythologies other than the Norse have thunder-gods as their ''chief'' deity.

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* Except plenty Plenty of mythologies other than the Norse have thunder-gods as their ''chief'' deity.
deity but there's always the possibility that Thor will pick up a protégé, perhaps someone worthy enough to pick up the hammer's shards.



There is literally no indication that The Grandmaster is other than human, beyond his age. Even Asgardians are super-humanly strong and tough. Everything we hear about the Grandmaster is his own press, so none of it can really be taken at face value. But it's entirely possible that it is actually true, and he's just a human. A human who somehow got tossed across space, and became immortal, but a human nonetheless. Could be interesting if he really was indeed the first ''human'' lost in space, and the first ''human'' found by some Sakaarian who made him immortal. Or he "found himself" upon coming in contact with some powerful object on Sakaar (maybe an Infinity Stone?)

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There is literally no indication that The Grandmaster is anything other than human, beyond his age. Even Asgardians are super-humanly strong and tough. Everything we hear about the Grandmaster is his own press, so none of it can really be taken at face value. But it's entirely possible that it is actually true, and he's just a human. A human who somehow got tossed across space, and became immortal, space but a human nonetheless. Could be interesting if he really was indeed the first ''human'' lost in space, and the first ''human'' found by some Sakaarian who made him immortal. Or he "found himself" upon coming in contact with some powerful object on Sakaar (maybe an Infinity Stone?)
Sakaarian)



The slippery little bastard did go pretty far over the MoralEventHorizon, after all. This... may not go well for anyone involved.
* Of course, that implies they even ''reach'' Earth, considering whose ship shows up in the Mid-Credits scene...

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The slippery little bastard did go pretty far over the MoralEventHorizon, after all. This... may not go well for anyone involved. Of course, that implies they even ''reach'' Earth, considering whose ship shows up in the Mid-Credits scene...
* Of course, that implies they even ''reach'' Earth, considering whose ship shows up in the Mid-Credits scene...



* More than possible. Tessa Thompson confirmed it in an interview.

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* More than possible. Tessa Thompson confirmed it in an interview.



Stinger scene for some future film. The pieces of Mjolnir are lying in the ground. Someone comes, with FeetFirstIntroduction. This person grabs the handle, and suddenly all the pieces fly back to their place and reforge themselves. We see hints of a transformation... and the mistery person (never seen clearly) flies away, leaving everyone asking: ''who'' was that??!!

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Stinger scene for some future film. The pieces of Mjolnir are lying in the ground. Someone comes, with FeetFirstIntroduction. This person grabs the handle, and suddenly all the pieces fly back to their place and reforge themselves. We see hints of a transformation... and the mistery mystery person (never seen clearly) flies away, leaving everyone asking: ''who'' was that??!!



There's nothing special about Sakaar as a planet specifically. It was orbiting some star and got thrown out of its orbit by some rogue planetary body. It then wound up going through one of those wormholes and ended up at the center of whatever gravity well the wormholes were feeding. Because the planet was the largest thing there, it attracted all of the junk to itself and now new stuff lands directly on its surface. This also explains the temporal weirdness associated with Sakaar: gravity slows down the progression of time, so outside events observed from Sakaar appear to move extremely fast. [[note]] Maybe an example will make this clearer: Remember the scene where Thor and Loki get tossed out of the Bifröst. Loki gets thrown first and lands on Sakaar first, so BAM—time for him slows down. Time for Thor has not because he's still in the Bifröst, so weeks pass for Loki while it's only seconds for Thor. Don't worry if this is all going over your head; this is basically Einsteinian relativity, which is far beyond most people's reflexes. [[/note]] About all the water, recall that the largest of the wormholes connects more or less directly to Asgard—so now we know where all the water that tumbled off the edge of Asgard ended up! Additionally, there is no indication that we ever saw the ''actual'' land of Sakaar, so for all we know, everything that we saw was built on top of miles of water and trash and the "land" is just fill.
* That's the opposite of how time dilation works. A clock in a gravity field runs slower than one outside it, which means it will record LESS time, not more.

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There's nothing special about Sakaar as a planet specifically. It was orbiting some star and got thrown out of its orbit by some rogue planetary body. It then wound up going through one of those wormholes and ended up at the center of whatever gravity well the wormholes were feeding. Because the planet was the largest thing there, it attracted all of the junk to itself and now new stuff lands directly on its surface. This also explains the temporal weirdness associated with Sakaar: gravity slows down the progression of time, so outside events observed from Sakaar appear to move extremely fast. [[note]] Maybe an example will make this clearer: Remember the scene where Thor and Loki get tossed out of the Bifröst. Loki gets thrown first and lands on Sakaar first, so BAM—time for him slows down. Time for Thor has not because he's still in the Bifröst, so weeks pass for Loki while it's only seconds for Thor. Don't worry if this is all going over your head; this is basically Einsteinian relativity, which is far beyond most people's reflexes. [[/note]] About all the water, recall that the largest of the wormholes connects more or less directly to Asgard—so now we know where all the water that tumbled off the edge of Asgard ended up! Additionally, there is no indication that we ever saw the ''actual'' land of Sakaar, so for all we know, everything that we saw was built on top of miles of water and trash and the "land" is just fill.
* That's
fill. [[note]] This is the opposite of how time dilation works. A clock in a gravity field runs slower than one outside it, which means it will record LESS time, not more.
more, but, you know Artistic License. [[/note]]



First of all, Thor simply appeared in the Sanctum after knocking on the door. Then Strange appeared out of thin air himself. Seems like good doctor cast Thor into Mirror Dimension when he knocked and then entered it himself. Strange obviously knows Thor's destructive potential and may have decided not to risk his Sanctum getting thrashed just in case. This would explain how Strange just warps them both around the Sanctum (Mirror Dimension being much more malleable) and why he doesn't seem to care that much about Thor breaking a bookshelf or damage caused by summoned Mjollnir.

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First of all, Thor simply appeared in the Sanctum after knocking on the door. Then Strange appeared out of thin air himself. Seems like the good doctor cast Thor into Mirror Dimension when he knocked and then entered it himself. Strange obviously knows Thor's destructive potential and may have decided not to risk his Sanctum getting thrashed just in case. This would explain how Strange just warps them both around the Sanctum (Mirror Dimension being much more malleable) and why he doesn't seem to care that much about Thor breaking a bookshelf or damage caused by summoned Mjollnir.



* Thor annoyed Banner, phrase works only on the Hulk. And Banner is locked in the trunk, so Hulk won't even feel residual annoyance from him. Plus its apparently Natasha's face and voice that have bigger impact, not the actual words.
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[[WMG:Loki betrayed Thor on Sakaar to keep him safe from Hela]]
...other than because he wanted to get back at him for that hurtful speech in the elevator. Loki claims that he'll get an award from the Grandmaster, but as we saw in the scene before, the Grandmaster didn't mention any award, in fact he threatened Loki and Valkyrie with a "public execution" should they not succeed in bringing Thor and the Hulk back. And during their talk in the cell, Loki told Thor that he basically thinks that trying to fight Hela would be plain suicide. His betrayal is more a misguided way to save himself from the Grandmaster and to keep Thor safe from Hela. Thor would most likely not get harmed by the Grandmaster since he's a quite formidable champion, and the audience loves him if them shouting "Thunder!" is any indication.
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Added something and moved something to WMG/ Infinity War because it fits better there.


[[WMG: When Loki hands over the Tesseract, he'll pretend he's still been working for Thanos the whole time.]]
It'll be something along the lines of apologizing for how long it took him to recover the Tesseract, while claiming he'd been searching for it ever since his defeat in ''The Avengers''.

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[[WMG:Jane dumped Thor
for Thanos the whole time.]]
It'll be something along the lines of apologizing for how long it took him to recover the Tesseract, while claiming he'd been searching for it ever since his defeat in ''The Avengers''.
someone else]]
...And that someone is [[Film/ThorTheDarkWorld Richard]]!
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Thor will try to summon The Avengers, only to learn that [[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar they have split up]], So Thor begins to look for [[Film/GuardiansoftheGalaxy some ]] [[Film/DoctorStrange alternative]], [[Film/CaptainMarvel Backup]] in order to prevent Thanos from starting the Apocalypse.

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Thor will try to summon The Avengers, only to learn that [[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar they have split up]], So Thor begins to look for [[Film/GuardiansoftheGalaxy some ]] [[Film/DoctorStrange [[Film/DoctorStrange2016 alternative]], [[Film/CaptainMarvel Backup]] in order to prevent Thanos from starting the Apocalypse.



It will be the last Infinity Stone introduced in the lead up to ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' (The Time Stone being introduced in ''Film/DoctorStrange'') and will be in the possession of Hela who uses it to convey the souls of the dead to Hel. It will be green (to match's Hela's whole green and black aesthetic) and could perhaps be embedded in the hilt of her WeaponOfChoice, her 'Nightsword'. She will use the power of the stone to destroy Mjölnir.
* The part about the Time Stone being introduced in Film/DoctorStrange is confirmed. However it's the TIME Stone that is green while the Soul Stone is Orange. As for the Soul Stone appearing in this movie, while likely, nothing is confirmed. Neither is the person who's using it.

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It will be the last Infinity Stone introduced in the lead up to ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' (The Time Stone being introduced in ''Film/DoctorStrange'') ''Film/DoctorStrange2016'') and will be in the possession of Hela who uses it to convey the souls of the dead to Hel. It will be green (to match's Hela's whole green and black aesthetic) and could perhaps be embedded in the hilt of her WeaponOfChoice, her 'Nightsword'. She will use the power of the stone to destroy Mjölnir.
* The part about the Time Stone being introduced in Film/DoctorStrange Film/DoctorStrange2016 is confirmed. However it's the TIME Stone that is green while the Soul Stone is Orange. As for the Soul Stone appearing in this movie, while likely, nothing is confirmed. Neither is the person who's using it.



Or whatever the movie after Infinity War 1 will be called. Dormammu is one (he survived ''Film/DoctorStrange''), Surtur is another...

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Or whatever the movie after Infinity War 1 will be called. Dormammu is one (he survived ''Film/DoctorStrange''), ''Film/DoctorStrange2016''), Surtur is another...
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* He definitely flew the ''Commodore'' back to the main ship, although he could have perhaps used the Tessaract to port whatever distance back to the Commodore before Surtur erupted in his face... if the Tessaract can do that. We know it can open portals, but Selvig had to acquire iridium, etc. to open the portal in New York. Can the Tesseract actually be used as a straight-up teleport device? I figured he didn't have a clear plan when he grabbed it -- it just would have been stupid to leave an object that powerful lying around in a world that's about to be destroyed, especially when a megalomaniac titan is after your ass for not getting it for him. If Loki had left the Tessaract behind it would have ended up floating randomly in space for Thanos to pick up, and if Thanos did ever catch up with him, he'd have nothing to bargain with. Plus, you know, power. But if the Tesseract is capable of teleporting people, couldn't Loki just use it to get everybody the hell away from Thanos at the start of ''Infinity War''?

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* Jossed; Jane will not appear at all, a majority of the film takes place off-world, and Chris Hemsworth, Tom Hiddleston, Idris Elba, and Anthony Hopkins all resume their respective roles.

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** Jossed

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[[spoiler:Jossed: He is happy to see Thor and Loki, gives them a heartfelt talk and then he dies of old age]].

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-> '''Thor:''' I have news. I need to speak with the Avengers.
-> '''Vision:''' Yes... the Avengers... about that...
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-> --> '''Vision:''' Yes... the Avengers... about that...
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** Jossed. It's been confirmed that she won't appear at all.

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* Confirmed-ish. Jane won't appear as she and Thor have broken up.

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* The first ''Thor'' movie begins with Thor getting banished to Earth after starting a war with Asgard's enemies. ''Ragnarok'' will end with Thor ''willingly'' sending himself to Earth after ''ending'' a war with Asgard' enemies.
** [[spoiler: Confirmed-ish? Thor and the ship full of Asgardian refugees are on their way to earth when the film ends]].

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** * [[spoiler: Confirmed-ish? Thor and the ship full of Asgardian refugees are on their way to earth when the film ends]].



* After the events of ''Age of Ultron'', Thor confronts "Odin" about his vision and about the infinity stones. Loki realises in what danger Asgard and basically the whole universe is and that he alone won't be able to do something against Thanos, especially since he basically betrayed Thanos in not being able to give him the Tesseract. [[EnemyMine Loki then reveals himself to Thor and tells him the little he does know about Thanos and that the only one who ''might'' be able to stop him is Odin]]. Loki genuinely doesn't know where Odin is and that's why the brothers seek help from Dr Strange.

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* After the events of ''Age of Ultron'', Thor confronts "Odin" about his vision and about the infinity stones. Loki realises in what danger Asgard and basically the whole universe is and that he alone won't be able to do something against Thanos, especially since he basically betrayed Thanos in not being able to give him the Tesseract. [[EnemyMine Loki then reveals himself to Thor and tells him the little he does know about Thanos and that the only one who ''might'' be able to stop him is Odin]]. Loki genuinely doesn't know where Odin is and that's why the brothers seek help from Dr Strange.



Thor and friends will defeat Hela and any other villains, and return to Asgard triumphantly, only to find Thanos having arrived at Asgard, trashing the place and killing off Thor's supporting cast. Thor, Hulk, [[spoiler:: and maybe Dr. Strange if he's still there]] will flee to earth to warn everyone, leading into Infinity War.

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Thor and friends will defeat Hela and any other villains, and return to Asgard triumphantly, only to find Thanos having arrived at Asgard, trashing the place and killing off Thor's supporting cast. Thor, Hulk, [[spoiler:: and [[spoiler:and maybe Dr. Strange if he's still there]] will flee to earth to warn everyone, leading into Infinity War.



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** Jossed: [[spoiler:Thor and Loki willingly unleash Surtur on Asgard to defeat Hela in the climax]].

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** Hela was imprisoned by [[spoiler:Odin's life force and is freed when he dies.]]
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Jossed: [[spoiler:Thor and Loki willingly unleash Surtur on Asgard to defeat Hela in the climax]].



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* Confirmed, actually.

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actually. Only it's ''Thor's'' leitmotif!



** Jossed [[spoiler:Death is not in the film at all. Hela's eventual fate is left entirely ambiguous.]]

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[[WMG:Alternatively, Fenris will end up with Thanos.]]
Admittedly, when Loki fell into the abyss the wormhole was created by the destruction of the Bifrost, but there might still be "natural" wormholes leading to Thanos somewhere below the Bifrost.
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It's revealed in ''CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' that [[spoiler: Tony and Pepper broke up off-screen]], so it's not like they can't do it.

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It's revealed in ''CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' that [[spoiler: Tony and Pepper broke up off-screen]], so it's not like they can't do it.



[[WMG: Odin will ask for [[CaptainAmerica Cap's]] help.]]

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[[WMG: Odin will ask for [[CaptainAmerica [[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Cap's]] help.]]
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* Loki flew the Commodore to the Palace/Vault and the Commodore is later seen docked on top of the Statesman ship. So Loki clearly flew it there.
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* Confirmed.

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* Confirmed.
Confirmed on both parts. Loki is ''scared for his life'' when he first sees Hulk, but then [[BigYes cheers]] when Thor is on the receiving end of a MetronomicManMashing.
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*That's the opposite of how time dilation works. A clock in a gravity field runs slower than one outside it, which means it will record LESS time, not more.
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* Except plenty of mythologies other than the Norse have thunder-gods as their ''chief'' deity.

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** [[spoiler: Skurge does indeed fight Hela's army, as a reference to the comics scene.]]

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** [[spoiler: Skurge does indeed fight Hela's army, as a reference to the comics scene. The scene occurs on the rainbow bridge of Bifrost, but the whole thing (including Skurge gunning down Hela's mooks with [[GunsAkimbo dual-wielded M16s]]) is straight out of his last stand at Gjallerbru in the comics.]]



* Jossed. [[spoiler:Thor and Loki [[GodzillaThreshold deliberately cause Ragnarok]], because it's the only way to defeat Hela.]]

[[WMG: Loki is responsible for Hulk being on Sakaar]]
He took advantage of the circumstances to get rid of a potential roadblock to his future plans and get some payback for the CurbStompBattle he got from Hulk.



[[WMG: Loki is responsible for Hulk being on Sakaar]]
He took advantage of the circumstances to get rid of a potential roadblock to his future plans and get some payback for the CurbStompBattle he got from Hulk.
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* Jossed. She simply destroys the hammer to disarm Thor.






* Confirmed. We see it briefly in the weapons vault, but it isn't used against Hela, [[spoiler: and it's likely been destroyed along with the rest of Asgard.]]

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* Confirmed. We see it briefly in the weapons vault, but it isn't used against Hela, [[spoiler: and it's likely been destroyed along with the rest of Asgard. Unless Loki swiped it on his way out, along with the Tesseract that he's confirmed to have taken.]]



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** Jossed
Jossed.



*** Even if Hela would no longer be the InvincibleVillain we saw in this movie, that doens't mean the destruction of Asgard would make her completely powerless either.





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[[WMG: Surtur will reincarnate as soon as Thor declares a new land "asgard"]]

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[[WMG: Surtur will reincarnate as soon as Thor declares a new land "asgard"]]"Asgard"]]


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[[WMG: When Loki hands over the Tesseract, he'll pretend he's still been working for Thanos the whole time.]]
It'll be something along the lines of apologizing for how long it took him to recover the Tesseract, while claiming he'd been searching for it ever since his defeat in ''The Avengers''.
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[[WMG: Loki took the Tesseract, but'' '''not''' for the reasons everyone suspects'']]
Let's rewind to shortly before Asgard was destroyed. Loki is in the Treasure Vault, which is likely buried deep within the palace of Asgard, and getting ready to throw Surtur's crown into the Eternal Flame. As soon as he does that, it only takes seconds for a giant fire demon to erupt from the palace. Now, [[AnIcePerson Jotuns like Loki]] don't mix well with fire (and if you subscribe to the theory that Loki was tortured by Thanos with some form of heat and flame, he has extra reason to dislike fire) so he probably wants to get the [[IncrediblyLamePun Hel]] out of there. To reach safety, he needs to exit the vault, leave the palace, navigate across Asgard as it's being crushed, then cross a good portion of the Rainbow Bridge and board a ship that is in the process of takeoff. Now we're talking about Loki and not Quicksilver, so that probably isn't a 5 second stroll. And there's no indication of a tiny figure fleeing from the giant Surtur in the background. So how did he end up on the ship with everyone else? Simple. Loki grabbed the Tesseract, the ''Space Stone'', and used it to teleport straight onto the ship from the vault. That he then has the Tesseract to later use as a bargaining chip/hand over to Thanos/do whatever with later is just a bonus.
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* [[spoiler:Confirmed, Loki is shown handing over the Tesseract in the Infinity Wars trailer.]]





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* Jossed [[spoiler:The Infinity Wars trailer shows Bruce as human again in New York, as the attack by Thanos begins.]]
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* Thor annoyed Banner, phrase works only on the Hulk. And Banner is locked in the trunk, so Hulk won't even feel residual annoyance from him. Plus its apparently Natasha's face and voice that have bigger impact, not the actual words.
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Adding some more stuff to an older WMG of mine


There's nothing special about Sakaar as a planet specifically. It was orbiting some star and got thrown out of its orbit by some rogue planetary body. It then wound up going through one of those wormholes and ended up at whatever gravitational anomaly the wormholes were feeding. Because the planet was the largest thing there, it attracted all of the junk to itself and now new stuff lands directly on its surface. About all the water, recall that the largest of the wormholes connects more or less directly to Asgard—so now we know where all the water that tumbled off the edge of Asgard ended up! Additionally, there is no indication that we ever saw the ''actual'' land of Sakaar, so for all we know, everything that we saw was built on top of miles of water and trash and the "land" is just fill.

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There's nothing special about Sakaar as a planet specifically. It was orbiting some star and got thrown out of its orbit by some rogue planetary body. It then wound up going through one of those wormholes and ended up at the center of whatever gravitational anomaly gravity well the wormholes were feeding. Because the planet was the largest thing there, it attracted all of the junk to itself and now new stuff lands directly on its surface. This also explains the temporal weirdness associated with Sakaar: gravity slows down the progression of time, so outside events observed from Sakaar appear to move extremely fast. [[note]] Maybe an example will make this clearer: Remember the scene where Thor and Loki get tossed out of the Bifröst. Loki gets thrown first and lands on Sakaar first, so BAM—time for him slows down. Time for Thor has not because he's still in the Bifröst, so weeks pass for Loki while it's only seconds for Thor. Don't worry if this is all going over your head; this is basically Einsteinian relativity, which is far beyond most people's reflexes. [[/note]] About all the water, recall that the largest of the wormholes connects more or less directly to Asgard—so now we know where all the water that tumbled off the edge of Asgard ended up! Additionally, there is no indication that we ever saw the ''actual'' land of Sakaar, so for all we know, everything that we saw was built on top of miles of water and trash and the "land" is just fill.

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* I higly doubt being worthy of Mjolnir has anything to do with being a good president.

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* I higly highly doubt being worthy of Mjolnir has anything to do with being a good president.


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[[WMG: Banner really is stuck as Hulk... and it's Thor's fault]]
Let's run this down. Banner was the Hulk for years. He turned back after seeing a recording of Black Widow, and was worried that if he transformed again, he'd be stuck. Back in Civil War, BW used the "sun is getting low" mantra as the way to turn him back. In this film, Thor tries to use that to keep Banner calm... and ''runs it into the ground'', saying it over and over to the point Banner is incredibly annoyed and has to tell him to stop. It's played for laughs, but Thor's just ruined the one reliable way they have to get the Hulk under control. When they do get back, and Natasha tries it, Hulk'll probably just throw Thor at her, or something. Whoops.
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Putting it in the middle because it's related to the two above it.

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[[WMG: Hela and Loki share a birth mother]]
Making her the biological half-sister of both Thor and Loki.
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[[WMG: Sanctum Sanctorum Thor visited was in Mirror Dimension]]
First of all, Thor simply appeared in the Sanctum after knocking on the door. Then Strange appeared out of thin air himself. Seems like good doctor cast Thor into Mirror Dimension when he knocked and then entered it himself. Strange obviously knows Thor's destructive potential and may have decided not to risk his Sanctum getting thrashed just in case. This would explain how Strange just warps them both around the Sanctum (Mirror Dimension being much more malleable) and why he doesn't seem to care that much about Thor breaking a bookshelf or damage caused by summoned Mjollnir.

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