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** ArtisticLicenseNuclearPhysics: It very well could be nuclear. Basically, nuclear reactors don't work that way. The reactor heats water in the primary loop (which is sealed and does not leave the reactor). The heat from the primary loop is used to heat a secondary loop, which is used to generate steam. Some designs don't even have the secondary loop generate steam, but have a tertiary loop that generates steam. So no, a nuclear reactor driving a steam turbine does not generate radioactive steam. Nuclear driven steam turbines are actually quite safe, and in fact this is how nuclear power works in real life. I don't know of it ever being implemented on a train in real life, but it certainly has in submarines.
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** Moreover, Alfonso's train and the others you come across all give off pretty puffs of white smoke. So scratch that off the list.
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** Or, OR, '''OR''', it's a goddamn magic train powered by magic. I mean, [[SarcasmMode it's not like this is a world of inexplicable magic with a sacred relic of unlimited wishing or anything.]]

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** Or, OR, '''OR''', it's a goddamn magic train powered by magic. I mean, [[SarcasmMode it's not like this is a world of inexplicable magic with a sacred relic of unlimited wishing or anything.]]]]

[[WMG: Byrne would've become the Lokomo sage of the Dark Realm]]
* Unused concept art has been released showing the design of an unused Lokomo, who would've represented the element of shadow. Not only does Byrne feature a much darker and more dour appearance than his elderly brethren, but he uses what resembles dark magic during his battle with Link and, like the other Lokomo, was responsible for an instrument that allows for exploration of the Dark Realm when used - it just wasn't the musical kind.
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** And, yes, this does likely mean that the steam discharged from the pistons is radioactive, and [[FridgeHorror Link's life expectency was sufficiantly shortened over the course of the adventure.]]

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** And, yes, this does likely mean that the steam discharged from the pistons is radioactive, and [[FridgeHorror Link's life expectency was sufficiantly shortened over the course of the adventure.]]
** Or, OR, '''OR''', it's a goddamn magic train powered by magic. I mean, [[SarcasmMode it's not like this is a world of inexplicable magic with a sacred relic of unlimited wishing or anything.
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* Likely jossed due to Aryll remaining on Outset at the end of ''Wind Waker'', with implications that Tetra and crew would not be returning.

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* Likely jossed Doesn't seem likely due to Aryll remaining being on Outset at the end of ''Wind Waker'', with implications the implication that Tetra and crew would not be returning.
returning. But who knows...
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** Alternately, [[spoiler: he could be [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword Demise. After all, Demise implies that Ganondorf was a reincarnation of his hatred.]] When Ganondorf stopped being a suitable vessal; he moved on to a different one.]]

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** Alternately, [[spoiler: he could be [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword Demise. After all, Demise implies that Ganondorf was a reincarnation of his hatred.]] When Ganondorf stopped being a suitable vessal; vessel, he moved on to a different one.]]



There's just something very.... [[BuffySpeak Mask Salesman-ish]] about Cole, and it's not just the [[EvilRedhead hair]]; it probably has to do with the insanely twisted expressions they both pull off, and the themes utilizing PsychoStrings that are related to them. Then there's the inexplicable [[NightmareFuel creepiness]] involved with the Mask Salesman [[note]] like the child versions of him on/in the moon.[[/note]] that was [[NothingIsScarier never fully explained.]]
* Is unlikely to be. Happy Mask Salesman is a Lunarian/Moon Child, and his being creepy is just part of his already weird origin. Cole is more like Frank Sahwit from Phoenix Wright. Also, Happy Mask Salesman travels through time, as seen when he saves Link in the last second of Majora's Mask (should link fail to stop the Moon from crashing) and is seen on ANOTHER timeline, in Oracle of Ages.
** But this in NO WAY declines the possibility that Cole is too a Lunarian, after all Majora's Mask shows other Moon Children...

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There's just something very.... [[BuffySpeak Mask Salesman-ish]] about Cole, and it's not just the [[EvilRedhead hair]]; it probably has to do with the insanely twisted expressions they both pull off, and the themes utilizing PsychoStrings that are related to them. Then there's the inexplicable [[NightmareFuel creepiness]] involved with the Mask Salesman [[note]] like [[note]]like the child versions of him on/in the moon.[[/note]] that was [[NothingIsScarier never fully explained.]]
* Is unlikely to be. Happy Mask Salesman is a Lunarian/Moon Child, and his being creepy is just part of his already weird origin. Cole is more like Frank Sahwit from Phoenix Wright. Also, Happy Mask Salesman travels through time, as seen when he saves Link in the last second of Majora's Mask (should link Link fail to stop the Moon from crashing) and is seen on ANOTHER timeline, in Oracle of Ages.
** But this in NO WAY declines the possibility that Cole is too a Lunarian, Lunarian; after all Majora's Mask shows other Moon Children...



I'll admit, I'm not very good at working out timeline issues, but it kind of makes sense for MC to come after ST-- mostly land-wise. Hyrule never seems to stay peaceful for very long, so it's possible that he wound up going on another adventure-- possibly with Zelda in tow-- that had to do with the Minish/Picori; Light-force-wise, the legends could simply be incorrect (like we haven't heard ''that'' a million times) and assumed that [[spoiler: Zelda]] received the light-force from the Picori, since nobody but Link and Zelda actually know what happened with the Spirit Tracks and couldn't know that [[spoiler: she]] had already used it on one occasion. Aside from that, there's not too much proof-- the 'Antiquiated shield' (which ST Link is presumably in posession of) appears in one of the stained glass windows in MC's opening, but that doesn't necessarily help the argument.

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I'll admit, I'm not very good at working out timeline issues, but it kind of makes sense for MC to come after ST-- ST -- mostly land-wise. Hyrule never seems to stay peaceful for very long, so it's possible that he wound up going on another adventure-- adventure -- possibly with Zelda in tow-- tow -- that had to do with the Minish/Picori; Light-force-wise, the legends could simply be incorrect (like we haven't heard ''that'' a million times) and assumed that [[spoiler: Zelda]] [[spoiler:Zelda]] received the light-force from the Picori, since nobody but Link and Zelda actually know what happened with the Spirit Tracks and couldn't know that [[spoiler: she]] [[spoiler:she]] had already used it on one occasion. Aside from that, there's not too much proof-- proof -- the 'Antiquiated shield' (which ST Link is presumably in posession of) appears in one of the stained glass windows in MC's opening, but that doesn't necessarily help the argument.



Same temporally-ignorant troper as the above; alternate to that theory, none of the other games come after Spirit Tracks (as of yet). There are already trains and [[CaptainObvious train tracks]]-- who's to say that technology won't march on in that timeline? It doesn't make sense to go from having trains and steamboats to getting around the entire kingdom on foot and using rafts. Maybe there won't be anything added to that timeline, or maybe we'll see a {{Steampunk}} installment or a literal UrbanLegendOfZelda, eventually. (Doubtful, but hey, this is WMG).

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Same temporally-ignorant troper as the above; alternate to that theory, none of the other games come after Spirit Tracks (as of yet). There are already trains and [[CaptainObvious train tracks]]-- tracks]] -- who's to say that technology won't march on in that timeline? It doesn't make sense to go from having trains and steamboats to getting around the entire kingdom on foot and using rafts. Maybe there won't be anything added to that timeline, or maybe we'll see a {{Steampunk}} installment or a literal UrbanLegendOfZelda, eventually. (Doubtful, but hey, this is WMG).



It's in the Ocean Realm ''right'' on the water (easy to adapt to after growing up on an island), is a fishing village relatively close to the Forest Realm/civilization and there are birds swarming the place. It's like New Hyrule's version of Outset (ignoring the PAL name for Aboda).
* Likely jossed due to Aryll remaining on Outset at the end of Wind Waker, with implications that Tetra and crew would not be returning.

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It's in the Ocean Realm ''right'' on the water (easy to adapt to after growing up on an island), is a fishing village relatively close to the Forest Realm/civilization Realm/civilization, and there are birds swarming the place. It's like New Hyrule's version of Outset (ignoring the PAL name for Aboda).
* Likely jossed due to Aryll remaining on Outset at the end of Wind Waker, ''Wind Waker'', with implications that Tetra and crew would not be returning.



** And yes this does likely mean that the steam discharged from the pistons is radioactive, and [[FridgeHorror Link's life expectency was sufficiantly shortened over the course of the adventure.]]

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** And yes And, yes, this does likely mean that the steam discharged from the pistons is radioactive, and [[FridgeHorror Link's life expectency was sufficiantly shortened over the course of the adventure.]]
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** Alternately, [[spoiler: he could be [[TheLegendofZeldaSkywardSword Demise. After all, Demise implies that Ganondorf was a reincarnation of his hatred.]] When Ganondorf stopped being a suitable vessal; he moved on to a different one.]]

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** Alternately, [[spoiler: he could be [[TheLegendofZeldaSkywardSword [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword Demise. After all, Demise implies that Ganondorf was a reincarnation of his hatred.]] When Ganondorf stopped being a suitable vessal; he moved on to a different one.]]
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** The Dark Trains burn kerosene and the Armoured Trains have magic ghost fire.
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** The Dark Trains burn kerosene and the Armoured Trains have magic ghost fire (the blue fire found on the Ghost Ship in PH.)

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** The Dark Trains burn kerosene and the Armoured Trains have magic ghost fire (the blue fire found on the Ghost Ship in PH.)fire.
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* Is unlikely to be. Happy Mask Salesman is a Lunarian/Moon Child, and his being creepy is just part of his already weird origin. Cole is more like Frank Sahwit from Phoenix Wright.

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* Is unlikely to be. Happy Mask Salesman is a Lunarian/Moon Child, and his being creepy is just part of his already weird origin. Cole is more like Frank Sahwit from Phoenix Wright.
Wright. Also, Happy Mask Salesman travels through time, as seen when he saves Link in the last second of Majora's Mask (should link fail to stop the Moon from crashing) and is seen on ANOTHER timeline, in Oracle of Ages.
** But this in NO WAY declines the possibility that Cole is too a Lunarian, after all Majora's Mask shows other Moon Children...
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* Is unlikely to be. Happy Mask Salesman is a Lunarian/Moon Child, and his being creepy is just part of his already weird origin. Cole is more like Frank Sahwit from Phoenix Wright.
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** And yes this does likely mean that the steam discharged from the pistons is radioactive, and [[FridgeHorror Link's life expectency was sufficiantly shortened over the course of the adventure.]]

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** And yes this does likely mean that the steam discharged from the pistons is radioactive, and [[FridgeHorror Link's life expectency was sufficiantly shortened over the course of the adventure.]]]]
** The Dark Trains burn kerosene and the Armoured Trains have magic ghost fire (the blue fire found on the Ghost Ship in PH.)
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** And yes this does likely mean that the steam discharged from the pistons is radioactive, and [[FridgeHorror Link's life expectency was sufficiantly shortened over the course ot the adventure.]]

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** And yes this does likely mean that the steam discharged from the pistons is radioactive, and [[FridgeHorror Link's life expectency was sufficiantly shortened over the course ot of the adventure.]]
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** And yes this does likely mean that the steam discharged from the pistons whenever you stop is radioactive, and [[FridgeHorror Link's life expectency was sufficiantly shortened over the course ot the adventure.]]

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** And yes this does likely mean that the steam discharged from the pistons whenever you stop is radioactive, and [[FridgeHorror Link's life expectency was sufficiantly shortened over the course ot the adventure.]]

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[[WMG: The Spirit Train is nuclear powered]]
* I always found it odd how clean and unrealistic the trains in this game are. The Spirit Train has no tender, no visible funace, never runs out of fuel, and always discharges pretty white balls of smoke. The reason for this is that the Spirit Train actually contains a nuclear reactor and the water is boiled by nuclear fission instead of coal. It still works on the premise of using steam to push the pistons, it just uses a different heat source. A single uranium fuel rod is enough to last a good few decades and the white "smoke" is actually just steam from the cooling chamber. As for why such technology exists in an 18th century setting? Simply put... it doesn't. The spirits who created the train are godlike entities and know all about the laws of the physics because they created them. The human built trains you see (Hylian Trams, Alfonzo's Train, ETC.) just burn coal like normal.

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[[WMG: The Spirit Train is nuclear powered]]
powered.]]
* I always found it odd how clean and unrealistic the trains in this game are. The Spirit Train has no tender, no visible funace, never runs out of fuel, and always discharges pretty white balls of smoke. The reason for this is that the Spirit Train actually contains a nuclear reactor and the water is boiled by nuclear fission instead of coal. It still works on the premise of using steam to push the pistons, it just uses a different heat source. A single uranium fuel rod is enough to last a good few decades and the white "smoke" is actually just steam from the cooling chamber. As for why such technology exists in an 18th century setting? Simply put... it doesn't. The spirits who created the train are godlike entities and know all about the laws of the physics because they created them. The human built trains you see (Hylian Trams, Alfonzo's Train, ETC.) just burn coal like normal.normal.
** And yes this does likely mean that the steam discharged from the pistons whenever you stop is radioactive, and [[FridgeHorror Link's life expectency was sufficiantly shortened over the course ot the adventure.]]
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* That's the reason why the veteran guards use a different style of hat, which resembles the one that Link started wearing when he became a veteran hero, while the new recruits wear the same style as kid Link, who was just starting out as a hero.

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* That's the reason why the veteran guards use a different style of hat, which resembles the one that Link started wearing when he became a veteran hero, while the new recruits wear the same style as kid Link, who was just starting out as a hero.hero.

[[WMG: The Spirit Train is nuclear powered]]
*I always found it odd how clean and unrealistic the trains in this game are. The Spirit Train has no tender, no visible funace, never runs out of fuel, and always discharges pretty white balls of smoke. The reason for this is that the Spirit Train actually contains a nuclear reactor and the water is boiled by nuclear fission instead of coal. It still works on the premise of using steam to push the pistons, it just uses a different heat source. A single uranium fuel rod is enough to last a good few decades and the white "smoke" is actually just steam from the cooling chamber. As for why such technology exists in an 18th century setting? Simply put... it doesn't. The spirits who created the train are godlike entities and know all about the laws of the physics because they created them. The human built trains you see (Hylian Trams, Alfonzo's Train, ETC.) just burn coal like normal.
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** Alternately, [[spoiler: he could be [[TheLegendofZeldaSkywardSword Demise. After all, Demise implies that Ganondorf was a reincarnation of his hatred. When Ganondorf stopped being a suitable vessal; he moved on to a different one]].]]

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** Alternately, [[spoiler: he could be [[TheLegendofZeldaSkywardSword Demise. After all, Demise implies that Ganondorf was a reincarnation of his hatred. ]] When Ganondorf stopped being a suitable vessal; he moved on to a different one]].one.]]
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** Alternately, [[spoiler: he could be [[TheLegendofZeldaSkywardSword Demise. After all, Demise implies that Ganondorf was a reincarnation of his hatred. When Ganondorf stopped being a suitable vessal; he moved on to a different one.]]

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** Alternately, [[spoiler: he could be [[TheLegendofZeldaSkywardSword Demise. After all, Demise implies that Ganondorf was a reincarnation of his hatred. When Ganondorf stopped being a suitable vessal; he moved on to a different one.one]].]]
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** Alternately, [[spoiler: he could be [[TheLegendofZeldaSkywardSword Demise]]...]]

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** Alternately, [[spoiler: he could be [[TheLegendofZeldaSkywardSword Demise]]...Demise. After all, Demise implies that Ganondorf was a reincarnation of his hatred. When Ganondorf stopped being a suitable vessal; he moved on to a different one.]]
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There's just something very.... [[BuffySpeak Mask Salesman-ish]] about Cole, and it's not just the [[EvilRedhead hair]]; it probably has to do with the insanely twisted expressions they both pull off, and the themes utilizing PsychoStrings that are related to them. Then there's the inexplicable [[NightmareFuel creepiness]] involved with the Mask Salesman [[hottip:* : like the child versions of him on/in the moon.]] that was [[NothingIsScarier never fully explained.]]

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There's just something very.... [[BuffySpeak Mask Salesman-ish]] about Cole, and it's not just the [[EvilRedhead hair]]; it probably has to do with the insanely twisted expressions they both pull off, and the themes utilizing PsychoStrings that are related to them. Then there's the inexplicable [[NightmareFuel creepiness]] involved with the Mask Salesman [[hottip:* : [[note]] like the child versions of him on/in the moon.]] [[/note]] that was [[NothingIsScarier never fully explained.]]



In Wind Waker, he mentions traveling across a cursed sea from a land of blizzards; since it's likely that Malladus was still causing havoc around that time, it's not unthinkable that the entire Snow Realm would be stormy (like the path to the Snow Temple the first time through) and the Ocean Realm/the borders of New-Hyrule-to-be would be harsh enough to call "cursed". He might even be one of the original inhabitants, since one of the Anouki outright states that they aren't locals [[hottip:* : Can't remember the exact quote, but it was something along the lines of "Somebody told us we couldn't sit around on our island forever, so we came here."]]. Failing that, he might actually be from ''Anouki Island'', since his statue says that he came from a "C-c-cold Island". (This could be an assumption, though, since the description came from the sculptor who, like everyone else on the Great Sea, can't fathom the idea of a mainland.)

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In Wind Waker, he mentions traveling across a cursed sea from a land of blizzards; since it's likely that Malladus was still causing havoc around that time, it's not unthinkable that the entire Snow Realm would be stormy (like the path to the Snow Temple the first time through) and the Ocean Realm/the borders of New-Hyrule-to-be would be harsh enough to call "cursed". He might even be one of the original inhabitants, since one of the Anouki outright states that they aren't locals [[hottip:* : [[note]] Can't remember the exact quote, but it was something along the lines of "Somebody told us we couldn't sit around on our island forever, so we came here."]]."[[/note]]. Failing that, he might actually be from ''Anouki Island'', since his statue says that he came from a "C-c-cold Island". (This could be an assumption, though, since the description came from the sculptor who, like everyone else on the Great Sea, can't fathom the idea of a mainland.)
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* The clothing styles and the technology level match that of the 1800s. There are mentions of real-world 19th century inventions and ideas (steam trains, photography, cinema, electricity, the space-time continuum). It means that we could probably see a 20th century-like Zelda set after ''Spirit Tracks'' in the Adult Timeline, but that's highly unlikely.

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* The clothing styles and the technology level match that of the 1800s. There are mentions of real-world 19th century inventions and ideas (steam trains, photography, cinema, electricity, the space-time continuum). It means that we could probably see a 20th century-like Zelda set after ''Spirit Tracks'' in the Adult Timeline, but that's highly unlikely.unlikely.

[[WMG: When ''Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass''' Link grew up, he changed his hat style.]]
* That's the reason why the veteran guards use a different style of hat, which resembles the one that Link started wearing when he became a veteran hero, while the new recruits wear the same style as kid Link, who was just starting out as a hero.
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* Likely jossed due to Aryll remaining on Outset at the end of Wind Waker.

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* Likely jossed due to Aryll remaining on Outset at the end of Wind Waker.
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* Likely jossed due to Aryll remaining on Outset at the end of Wind Waker.
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It's in the Ocean Realm ''right'' on the water (easy to adapt to after growing up on an island), is a fishing village relatively close to the Forest Realm/civilization and there are birds swarming the place. It's like New Hyrule's version of Outset (ignoring the PAL name for Aboda).

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It's in the Ocean Realm ''right'' on the water (easy to adapt to after growing up on an island), is a fishing village relatively close to the Forest Realm/civilization and there are birds swarming the place. It's like New Hyrule's version of Outset (ignoring the PAL name for Aboda).Aboda).
[[WMG: ''Spirit Tracks'''s time period is equivalent to Europe in the 1800s]]
* The clothing styles and the technology level match that of the 1800s. There are mentions of real-world 19th century inventions and ideas (steam trains, photography, cinema, electricity, the space-time continuum). It means that we could probably see a 20th century-like Zelda set after ''Spirit Tracks'' in the Adult Timeline, but that's highly unlikely.
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Consider Malladus' true form: a floating, gaseous head. Who else have we seen look like this? Ganondorf (in TwilightPrincess). Other elements (the Ganontrain, the fact that Cole-Malladus is basically Beast Ganon with a mustache) lead me to think that if Ganon isn't masquerading as Malladus, he's the one who gave him the power to free himself, and couldn't resist putting his appearance on his underling's body and weapons.

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Consider Malladus' true form: a floating, gaseous head. Who else have we seen look like this? Ganondorf (in TwilightPrincess).[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess Twilight Princess]]). Other elements (the Ganontrain, the fact that Cole-Malladus is basically Beast Ganon with a mustache) lead me to think that if Ganon isn't masquerading as Malladus, he's the one who gave him the power to free himself, and couldn't resist putting his appearance on his underling's body and weapons.



* Jossed by Hyrule Historia. According to the official timeline, Minish Cap comes right after Skyward Sword at the beginning of the timeline, while Spirit Tracks is (for now) at the very end of the "Adult" timeline.

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* Jossed by Hyrule Historia. According to the official timeline, Minish Cap comes right after Skyward Sword at the beginning of the timeline, while Spirit Tracks is (for now) at the very end of the "Adult" timeline.
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* Jossed by Hyrule Historia

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* Jossed by Hyrule Historia
Historia. According to the official timeline, Minish Cap comes right after Skyward Sword at the beginning of the timeline, while Spirit Tracks is (for now) at the very end of the "Adult" timeline.
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*Jossed by Hyrule Historia
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** Alternately, [[spoiler: he could be [[TheLegendofZeldaSkywardSword Demise]]...]]
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** One of the endings features Link going ahead and becoming an engineer, though, [[CaptainObvious and that's after Malladus's defeat]]. So, in that ending at least, the tracks were still there...
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* It is not stated, but it is possible that with Malladus' defeat, the Spirit Tracks (which worked as his chains) will vanish, leaving the people of New Hyrule to either scramble to figure out how to cast railroad tracks, or causes the trains to become lost knowledge. For all we know, the trains could have been used by the native people of the land - before Tetra and her crew founded the kingdom.

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