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* Alternatively, Anime/TheBigO is set in the period after ErgoProxy, the Amnesia is caused by humans waking from a cryogenic state in orbit and the Megadeuces were left behind by a few Proxies who fled the surface when the sky was restored, they continue to build and supply the mecha because they can't directly disobey humans, but by ensuring the proliferation of giant robots they can push humanity back to extinction for revenge. Dorothy exhibits the final stage of the Cogito Virus, while other androids have been built in such a way that they are immune to cogito as it no longer serves a purpose. All the strange bizarre stuff about whether something is real or not is probably old tech left in the city that was built by proxies thats malfunctioning or being tampered with by humans, as its established very clearly that proxies have access to nearly everything except space-flight, time-travel and meteorological terraforming. Gordon Rosewater was left in charge the same way as Donov Meyer was, but he got tired of it all and had Alex made from him as a clone to take over his duties letting him relax, but also control things from behind the scenes. Schwartzwald is an auto-reiv that was built to look human and after being infected with cogito now thinks he's human. The constant reappearances after his death are his residuals of his infected personality AI surviving in other systems. Roger's issue with respect to his memories could be that he is 2nd-3rd generation replication similar to Re-L, Real and Monad.
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* Alternatively, Anime/TheBigO is set in the period after ErgoProxy, the Amnesia is caused by humans waking from a cryogenic state in orbit and the Megadeuces were left behind by a few Proxies who fled the surface when the sky was restored, they continue to build and supply the mecha because they can't directly disobey humans, but by ensuring the proliferation of giant robots they can push humanity back to extinction for revenge. Dorothy exhibits the final stage of the Cogito Virus, while other androids have been built in such a way that they are immune to cogito as it no longer serves a purpose. All the strange bizarre stuff about whether something is real or not is probably old tech left in the city that was built by proxies thats malfunctioning or being tampered with by humans, as its established very clearly that proxies have access to nearly everything except space-flight, time-travel and meteorological terraforming. Gordon Rosewater was left in charge the same way as Donov Meyer was, but he got tired of it all and had Alex made from him as a clone to take over his duties letting him relax, but also control things from behind the scenes. Schwartzwald is an auto-reiv that was built to look human and after being infected with cogito now thinks he's human. The constant reappearances after his death are his residuals of his infected personality AI surviving in other systems. Roger's issue with respect to his memories could be that he is 2nd-3rd generation replication similar to Re-L, Real and Monad.Monad.
[[WMG: The Big O occurs during the events of ErgoProxy, and several main characters are Proxies]]
The Amnesia is all due to the humans being created by a proxy, which they experimented on and cloned.
* Dorothy is infected with the Cogito Virus and is in love with Roger (as we clearly see) but has not gone insane or become violent because of it.
* Roger Smith's TomatoInTheMirror is correct, and he is the only surviving clone of the original Proxy of Paradigm City. The reason for the memory loss forty years ago was because that was when the Proxy died, and people could not even think coherently enough to form memories until the Proxy abilities of the current "Roger Smith" had awakened. Also, that would make sense why there were all variety of semi-humanoid monsters (Schwartzwald, anyone), and the unique quality that allows you to command a Megadeus is being a Proxy.
** Angel, a blond woman who had wings that were cut off, was one of the defective clones of Monad Proxy, who was given to Paradigm City geneticist by Daedalus from Romdu to help them out with the Proxy genetic engineering.
** Paradigm City-manufactured Proxies can withstand sunlight since they do not actually have a separate Proxy form, and it is the Proxy form, not the human form, that is vulnerable to sunlight. Also, they can, and do, absorb memories from others around them in order to maintain their disguise. The events of forty years ago where when the original "Roger Smith" was outed as a Proxy, and had no choice but to absorb the memories of all of the population to prevent them from knowing that he was a Proxy.
* The lights that came down at the end were actually from the human ship in orbit landing. The area in which Big O takes place had not yet been recolonized by humans since fighting Megadei have wreaked it beyond usefulness.
** Megadei themselves are weapons of the war that wreaked the planet, when Cognito-infected machines caused world-wide devastation. The Proxies had been developed before decolonization to control rogue Megadei, and the Megadei had been reprogrammed to take commands from Proxies. The "Yea Guilty" sign is the sign of low-level awareness from the Cognito-Virus making the machine judge its wielder unworthy.
[[WMG: The Big O occurs during the events of ErgoProxy, and several main characters are Proxies]]
The Amnesia is all due to the humans being created by a proxy, which they experimented on and cloned.
* Dorothy is infected with the Cogito Virus and is in love with Roger (as we clearly see) but has not gone insane or become violent because of it.
* Roger Smith's TomatoInTheMirror is correct, and he is the only surviving clone of the original Proxy of Paradigm City. The reason for the memory loss forty years ago was because that was when the Proxy died, and people could not even think coherently enough to form memories until the Proxy abilities of the current "Roger Smith" had awakened. Also, that would make sense why there were all variety of semi-humanoid monsters (Schwartzwald, anyone), and the unique quality that allows you to command a Megadeus is being a Proxy.
** Angel, a blond woman who had wings that were cut off, was one of the defective clones of Monad Proxy, who was given to Paradigm City geneticist by Daedalus from Romdu to help them out with the Proxy genetic engineering.
** Paradigm City-manufactured Proxies can withstand sunlight since they do not actually have a separate Proxy form, and it is the Proxy form, not the human form, that is vulnerable to sunlight. Also, they can, and do, absorb memories from others around them in order to maintain their disguise. The events of forty years ago where when the original "Roger Smith" was outed as a Proxy, and had no choice but to absorb the memories of all of the population to prevent them from knowing that he was a Proxy.
* The lights that came down at the end were actually from the human ship in orbit landing. The area in which Big O takes place had not yet been recolonized by humans since fighting Megadei have wreaked it beyond usefulness.
** Megadei themselves are weapons of the war that wreaked the planet, when Cognito-infected machines caused world-wide devastation. The Proxies had been developed before decolonization to control rogue Megadei, and the Megadei had been reprogrammed to take commands from Proxies. The "Yea Guilty" sign is the sign of low-level awareness from the Cognito-Virus making the machine judge its wielder unworthy.
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Angel is one of the producers of a metafictional ''Big O'' TV series. She fell in love with the character of Roger Smith (or else the actor was her real-life boyfriend), and so she had herself [[AuthorAvatar inserted into the show.]] The world-famous filmmaker they hired to be the director (who plays Gordon Rosewater -- the role was originally intended to just be a {{cameo}}) gets frustrated with her meddling and starts to make the show more of a [[Main/{{MindScrew}} Mind Screw]] [[SpringtimeForHitler in hopes of getting it canceled.]]
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Angel is one of the producers of a metafictional ''Big O'' TV series. She fell in love with the character of Roger Smith (or else the actor was her real-life boyfriend), and so she had herself [[AuthorAvatar inserted into the show.]] The world-famous filmmaker they hired to be the director (who plays Gordon Rosewater -- the role was originally intended to just be a {{cameo}}) gets frustrated with her meddling and starts to make the show more of a [[Main/{{MindScrew}} Mind Screw]] Main/MindScrew [[SpringtimeForHitler in hopes of getting it canceled.]]
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The last scene is the remade episode 1, with Angel as a character; but she won't be a [[Main/{{MarySue}} Mary Sue]] this time, which is indicated by how she's slightly off-model and thus imperfect.
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The last scene is the remade episode 1, with Angel as a character; but she won't be a [[Main/{{MarySue}} Mary Sue]] Main/MarySue this time, which is indicated by how she's slightly off-model and thus imperfect.
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Roger Smith is a seeker of Order in a world of Chaos; he has friends who are followers; he has a doomed romance; he has a magical black superweapon. And everything is doomed no matter how many times or how much the hero wins. It's pure MichaelMoorcock.
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Roger Smith is a seeker of Order in a world of Chaos; he has friends who are followers; he has a doomed romance; he has a magical black superweapon. And everything is doomed no matter how many times or how much the hero wins. It's pure MichaelMoorcock.
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But it went from cliffhanger to [[Main/{{GainaxEnding}} worse]]; a new series could go UpToEleven in [[MindScrew confusing]] and be worth watching for that reason.
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But it went from cliffhanger to [[Main/{{GainaxEnding}} [[Main/GainaxEnding worse]]; a new series could go UpToEleven in [[MindScrew confusing]] and be worth watching for that reason.
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Either the Director's computer can literally rewrite reality inside the city, or the entire series takes place inside a computer and the characters are just [=AIs=] in a Main/{{Reboot}}-style simulated world. Either way, Angel is the only one the system takes orders from.
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Either the Director's computer can literally rewrite reality inside the city, or the entire series takes place inside a computer and the characters are just [=AIs=] in a Main/{{Reboot}}-style simulated world. Either way, Angel is the only one the system takes orders from.
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Occasionally, there's a glitch in the computer, and people's memories of the last cycle aren't completely erased during the reset, leaving them with capital-M Memories - things they learned in previous lives, like Beck's knowledge that Roger pilots Big O or Wayneright's being able to design robots.
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Occasionally, there's a glitch in the computer, and people's memories of the last cycle aren't completely erased during the reset, leaving them with capital-M Memories - things they learned in previous lives, like Beck's knowledge that Roger pilots Big O or Wayneright's being able to design robots.
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Gordon Rosewater is a fusion of Gendo and Yui Ikari, this is why he's so apathetic to everything going. He has what he wants so he doesn't care anymore. Alex is also Gendo, but only the part of him that wants to destroy the world. This part split off in Insturmentality when Gordon formed. The antagonism between father and son is then a sign of the conflict within Gendo himself about his own father and son. He takes it all out on Roger-Shinji, which subconsciously eases his anxiety.
Beck is actually Kensuke, warped by jealousy of Shinji, and driven to using Domanus to destroy Shinji and thereby prove his superiority. His fixation with Dorothy comes from her having red hair like Asuka did, before she became Angel.
Beck is actually Kensuke, warped by jealousy of Shinji, and driven to using Domanus to destroy Shinji and thereby prove his superiority. His fixation with Dorothy comes from her having red hair like Asuka did, before she became Angel.
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Gordon Rosewater is a fusion of Gendo and Yui Ikari, this is why he's so apathetic to everything going. He has what he wants so he doesn't care anymore. Alex is also Gendo, but only the part of him that wants to destroy the world. This part split off in Insturmentality when Gordon formed. The antagonism between father and son is then a sign of the conflict within Gendo himself about his own father and son. He takes it all out on Roger-Shinji, which subconsciously eases his anxiety.
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Beck is actually Kensuke, warped by jealousy of Shinji, and driven to using Domanus to destroy Shinji and thereby prove his superiority. His fixation with Dorothy comes from her having red hair like Asuka did, before she became Angel.
Beck is actually Kensuke, warped by jealousy of Shinji, and driven to using Domanus to destroy Shinji and thereby prove his superiority. His fixation with Dorothy comes from her having red hair like Asuka did, before she became Angel.
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Every reset of Paradigm City degrades it a little, making it less realistic. Over dozens of resets, tomatoes became corndogs, Big O became Corndroid, and humans became whatever the heck the Twelve Ounce Mouse characters are. It all ends in another reset, but with hints that this time Roger/Fitz has learned how to break the cycle or at least alter it.
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Every reset of Paradigm City degrades it a little, making it less realistic. Over dozens of resets, tomatoes became corndogs, Big O became Corndroid, and humans became whatever the heck the Twelve Ounce Mouse characters are. It all ends in another reset, but with hints that this time Roger/Fitz has learned how to break the cycle or at least alter it.
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** If you've watched {{Batman the Animated Series}}, Big O can be seen as a retelling and expansion of the episodes "Heart of Steel" parts one and two and the followup, "His Silicon Soul." In "Heart of Steel," Batman fights and destroys an AI bent on phasing out humanity by replacing critical members of society with androids. In the process, Batman fights, unmasks, and destroys a robotic version of Harvey Bullock, whose character design is similar to Schwartzwald's, and who also serves as a lesser antagonist to Batman. The linkage to the Big O becomes much more convincing in "His Silicon Soul," wherein a surviving android programmed to replace Batman discovers its own artificial nature due to a damaging accident. The android searches for and discovers the AI's creator, now a reclusive, rather misanthropic farmer who has substituted growing tomatoes for his previous attempts at engineering life. Inside a domed greenhouse, it is told that its lifespan is short, and that its memories are simply data fed to it by the deceased AI; as proof, the creator asks it questions about its childhood, which naturally can't be answered. Its meeting is interrupted by the arrival of the real Batman. After a brief fight, the robot brings the roof down, saves the creator, and flees. It searches for, discovers, and incorporates a remnant of the AI; afterwards, it is repaired and modified to work as an agent to re-initiate the AI's human-replacement plan. At the last moment, after striking down Alfred and the real Batman (who get better), the robot rediscovers its human empathy via the implanted memories of Bruce Wayne, and destroys itself and the last traces of the AI in order to end it. In short, this troper holds that Roger was the android, complete with spotty memory, that Gordon Rosewater was indeed the AI researcher, Karl Rossum, that Alex Rosewater was the megalomaniacal AI, and that Paradigm City was the android's conception of reality, shattered by an act of principled will. This troper might more hesitantly speculate that the entire thing could be a retelling in which the AI succeeded in its original aims, but was at length subverted by the tendencies granted to one of its own creations. This might help explain the presence of entities such as Dorothy and Schwartzwaldt; several Big O characters bear at least passing resemblances to some of the AI's original host of android minions, including a bob-haired fem-bot that attempted to seduce Bruce Wayne. Angel, in this theory, would be a pink-suited Selena Kyle/Catwoman. Gabriel AND Beck have striking resemblances to the Joker, and Norman Burg's resemblance to Alfred is almost blatant. The prematurely-deceased Shwartzwaldt is possibly some incarnation of the Harvey Bullock android Batman destroyed, obsessed with revealing its version of the truth. It's a bit of a stretch, but even old Timothy Wainwright bears a moderate resemblance to a value-inverted version of Selena Kyle's treasured cat, Isis (which I suppose would cast Dorothy as Catwoman...no theory is perfect; also, this theory admits to having two Jokers on the cast, a rather frightening thought. Maybe the human Joker was just batty enough to recognize and survive the effective end of the world, in which case my money is on Beck as the human, what with the whole tech-exploitation theme). As for one last speculation, this Troper suggests that Roger's car is the Batmobile, and that the mecha actually represent the costumes regularly donned by the various Batman characters.
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** If you've watched {{Batman the Animated Series}}, BatmanTheAnimatedSeries, Big O can be seen as a retelling and expansion of the episodes "Heart of Steel" parts one and two and the followup, "His Silicon Soul." In "Heart of Steel," Batman fights and destroys an AI bent on phasing out humanity by replacing critical members of society with androids. In the process, Batman fights, unmasks, and destroys a robotic version of Harvey Bullock, whose character design is similar to Schwartzwald's, and who also serves as a lesser antagonist to Batman. The linkage to the Big O becomes much more convincing in "His Silicon Soul," wherein a surviving android programmed to replace Batman discovers its own artificial nature due to a damaging accident. The android searches for and discovers the AI's creator, now a reclusive, rather misanthropic farmer who has substituted growing tomatoes for his previous attempts at engineering life. Inside a domed greenhouse, it is told that its lifespan is short, and that its memories are simply data fed to it by the deceased AI; as proof, the creator asks it questions about its childhood, which naturally can't be answered. Its meeting is interrupted by the arrival of the real Batman. After a brief fight, the robot brings the roof down, saves the creator, and flees. It searches for, discovers, and incorporates a remnant of the AI; afterwards, it is repaired and modified to work as an agent to re-initiate the AI's human-replacement plan. At the last moment, after striking down Alfred and the real Batman (who get better), the robot rediscovers its human empathy via the implanted memories of Bruce Wayne, and destroys itself and the last traces of the AI in order to end it. In short, this troper holds that Roger was the android, complete with spotty memory, that Gordon Rosewater was indeed the AI researcher, Karl Rossum, that Alex Rosewater was the megalomaniacal AI, and that Paradigm City was the android's conception of reality, shattered by an act of principled will. This troper might more hesitantly speculate that the entire thing could be a retelling in which the AI succeeded in its original aims, but was at length subverted by the tendencies granted to one of its own creations. This might help explain the presence of entities such as Dorothy and Schwartzwaldt; several Big O characters bear at least passing resemblances to some of the AI's original host of android minions, including a bob-haired fem-bot that attempted to seduce Bruce Wayne. Angel, in this theory, would be a pink-suited Selena Kyle/Catwoman. Gabriel AND Beck have striking resemblances to the Joker, and Norman Burg's resemblance to Alfred is almost blatant. The prematurely-deceased Shwartzwaldt is possibly some incarnation of the Harvey Bullock android Batman destroyed, obsessed with revealing its version of the truth. It's a bit of a stretch, but even old Timothy Wainwright bears a moderate resemblance to a value-inverted version of Selena Kyle's treasured cat, Isis (which I suppose would cast Dorothy as Catwoman...no theory is perfect; also, this theory admits to having two Jokers on the cast, a rather frightening thought. Maybe the human Joker was just batty enough to recognize and survive the effective end of the world, in which case my money is on Beck as the human, what with the whole tech-exploitation theme). As for one last speculation, this Troper suggests that Roger's car is the Batmobile, and that the mecha actually represent the costumes regularly donned by the various Batman characters.
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The original purpose of Paradigm City, the Bigs, and the various other robots has been lost in time. Something went wrong in the past, and the original program was corrupted or lost. The whole system breaks down periodically resulting in what appears to be mass amnesia, but is really more of a soft reboot. At the end of the second season, Angel takes over the system and we get to witness a reboot.
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The original purpose of Paradigm City, the Bigs, and the various other robots has been lost in time. Something went wrong in the past, and the original program was corrupted or lost. The whole system breaks down periodically resulting in what appears to be mass amnesia, but is really more of a soft reboot. At the end of the second season, Angel takes over the system and we get to witness a reboot.
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Better Challenges: How do they bleed when they are shot? How did that dog eat its owner? Why do they eat food? Why would there be andorids that know they are robots when everyone is already a robot?
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Better Challenges: How do they bleed when they are shot? How did that dog eat its owner? Why do they eat food? Why would there be andorids that know they are robots when everyone is already a robot?
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[[WMG: The planet Paradigm City is on is actually in the {{Warhammer 40000}} Universe]]
The obligatory 40k WMG for Big O is: Paradigm City is New York during the Age of Strife after Terra's society collapsed, but before the Emperor began his rise to power.
The obligatory 40k WMG for Big O is: Paradigm City is New York during the Age of Strife after Terra's society collapsed, but before the Emperor began his rise to power.
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[[WMG: The planet Paradigm City is on is actually in the {{Warhammer TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} Universe]]
The obligatory 40k WMG for Big O is: Paradigm City is New York during the Age of Strife after Terra's society collapsed, but before the Emperor began his rise topower.
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The obligatory 40k WMG for Big O is: Paradigm City is New York during the Age of Strife after Terra's society collapsed, but before the Emperor began his rise to
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Roger is perhaps a programmer that decided to tweek the simulation to make things work out for himself.
Also, he is probably a fan of batman.
Also, he is probably a fan of batman.
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Roger is perhaps a programmer that decided to tweek the simulation to make things work out for himself.
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Also, he is probably a fan of batman.
Also, he is probably a fan of batman.
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It's the little things, mostly. Dastun was a major in Season One and a colonel in Season Two. Roger was referred to as a former lieutenant in Season One, and a former Major in Season Two. Big O has new weapons we've never seen before, but Roger is familiar with. Angel is more competent. Roger's attitude is different, being less snarky and more aggressive- see how he treats Dastun in "Eyewitness"? Compare that to how he acts in "Beck comes Back" or "RD", when Dastun is actually trying to arrest Roger.
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It's the little things, mostly. Dastun was a major in Season One and a colonel in Season Two. Roger was referred to as a former lieutenant in Season One, and a former Major in Season Two. Big O has new weapons we've never seen before, but Roger is familiar with. Angel is more competent. Roger's attitude is different, being less snarky and more aggressive- see how he treats Dastun in "Eyewitness"? Compare that to how he acts in "Beck comes Back" or "RD", when Dastun is actually trying to arrest Roger.
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The Amnesia is all due to the humans being created by a proxy, Dorothy is infected with the Cogito Virus but is yet to initiate the Cogito plan. The Megadeuces/Megadeuci were originally built by Proxies to aid their humans. What we see of the world is either the result of it being a massive dome city.
* Alternatively, TheBigO is set in the period after ErgoProxy, the Amnesia is caused by humans waking from a cryogenic state in orbit and the Megadeuces were left behind by a few Proxies who fled the surface when the sky was restored, they continue to build and supply the mecha because they can't directly disobey humans, but by ensuring the proliferation of giant robots they can push humanity back to extinction for revenge. Dorothy exhibits the final stage of the Cogito Virus, while other androids have been built in such a way that they are immune to cogito as it no longer serves a purpose. All the strange bizarre stuff about whether something is real or not is probably old tech left in the city that was built by proxies thats malfunctioning or being tampered with by humans, as its established very clearly that proxies have access to nearly everything except space-flight, time-travel and meteorological terraforming. Gordon Rosewater was left in charge the same way as Donov Meyer was, but he got tired of it all and had Alex made from him as a clone to take over his duties letting him relax, but also control things from behind the scenes. Schwartzwald is an auto-reiv that was built to look human and after being infected with cogito now thinks he's human. The constant reappearances after his death are his residuals of his infected personality AI surviving in other systems. Roger's issue with respect to his memories could be that he is 2nd-3rd generation replication similar to Re-L, Real and Monad.
* Alternatively, TheBigO is set in the period after ErgoProxy, the Amnesia is caused by humans waking from a cryogenic state in orbit and the Megadeuces were left behind by a few Proxies who fled the surface when the sky was restored, they continue to build and supply the mecha because they can't directly disobey humans, but by ensuring the proliferation of giant robots they can push humanity back to extinction for revenge. Dorothy exhibits the final stage of the Cogito Virus, while other androids have been built in such a way that they are immune to cogito as it no longer serves a purpose. All the strange bizarre stuff about whether something is real or not is probably old tech left in the city that was built by proxies thats malfunctioning or being tampered with by humans, as its established very clearly that proxies have access to nearly everything except space-flight, time-travel and meteorological terraforming. Gordon Rosewater was left in charge the same way as Donov Meyer was, but he got tired of it all and had Alex made from him as a clone to take over his duties letting him relax, but also control things from behind the scenes. Schwartzwald is an auto-reiv that was built to look human and after being infected with cogito now thinks he's human. The constant reappearances after his death are his residuals of his infected personality AI surviving in other systems. Roger's issue with respect to his memories could be that he is 2nd-3rd generation replication similar to Re-L, Real and Monad.
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The Amnesia is all due to the humans being created by a proxy, Dorothy is infected with the Cogito Virus but is yet to initiate the Cogito plan. The Megadeuces/Megadeuci were originally built by Proxies to aid their humans. What we see of the world is either the result of it being a massive dome city.
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* Alternatively,TheBigO Anime/TheBigO is set in the period after ErgoProxy, the Amnesia is caused by humans waking from a cryogenic state in orbit and the Megadeuces were left behind by a few Proxies who fled the surface when the sky was restored, they continue to build and supply the mecha because they can't directly disobey humans, but by ensuring the proliferation of giant robots they can push humanity back to extinction for revenge. Dorothy exhibits the final stage of the Cogito Virus, while other androids have been built in such a way that they are immune to cogito as it no longer serves a purpose. All the strange bizarre stuff about whether something is real or not is probably old tech left in the city that was built by proxies thats malfunctioning or being tampered with by humans, as its established very clearly that proxies have access to nearly everything except space-flight, time-travel and meteorological terraforming. Gordon Rosewater was left in charge the same way as Donov Meyer was, but he got tired of it all and had Alex made from him as a clone to take over his duties letting him relax, but also control things from behind the scenes. Schwartzwald is an auto-reiv that was built to look human and after being infected with cogito now thinks he's human. The constant reappearances after his death are his residuals of his infected personality AI surviving in other systems. Roger's issue with respect to his memories could be that he is 2nd-3rd generation replication similar to Re-L, Real and Monad.
* Alternatively,
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[[WMG: Paradigm City is [[{{Fallout}} Vault 122]].]]
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[[WMG: Paradigm City is [[{{Fallout}} [[VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}} Vault 122]].]]
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Dorothy is the Tin Man, Roger is the Scarecrow, Dastun is the Cowardly Lion, Gordon is the Wizard of Oz, Alex is the Wicked Witch of the West, Beck is the King of the Winged Monkeys, Angel is Dorothy (much like in SerialExperimentsLain, Alice is not [[AliceInWonderland Alice]]), and Angel's "mother" (the leader of the Union) is the Good Witch of the North. Memories are the Silver or Ruby Slippers. So in the end, Angel is able to use her power to become remembered again ("I just want to go home"), setting the world back as it should be.
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Dorothy is the Tin Man, Roger is the Scarecrow, Dastun is the Cowardly Lion, Gordon is the Wizard of Oz, Alex is the Wicked Witch of the West, Beck is the King of the Winged Monkeys, Angel is Dorothy (much like in SerialExperimentsLain, Alice is not [[AliceInWonderland [[Literature/AliceInWonderland Alice]]), and Angel's "mother" (the leader of the Union) is the Good Witch of the North. Memories are the Silver or Ruby Slippers. So in the end, Angel is able to use her power to become remembered again ("I just want to go home"), setting the world back as it should be.
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[[WMG: The Big O documents what happened on the former American continent for the NYC Dome city in ErgoProxy]]
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* Alternatively, TheBigO is set in the period after ErgoProxy, the Amnesia is caused by humans waking from a cryogenic state in orbit and the Megadeuces were left behind by a few Proxies who fled the surface when the sky was restored. Dorothy exhibits the final stage of the Cogito Virus, while other androids have been built in such a way that they are immune to cogito as it no longer serves a purpose. All the strange bizarre stuff about whether something is real or not is probably old tech left in the city that was built by proxies thats malfunctioning or being tampered with by humans. Gordon and Alex Rosewater
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* Alternatively, TheBigO is set in the period after ErgoProxy, the Amnesia is caused by humans waking from a cryogenic state in orbit and the Megadeuces were left behind by a few Proxies who fled the surface when the sky was restored.restored, they continue to build and supply the mecha because they can't directly disobey humans, but by ensuring the proliferation of giant robots they can push humanity back to extinction for revenge. Dorothy exhibits the final stage of the Cogito Virus, while other androids have been built in such a way that they are immune to cogito as it no longer serves a purpose. All the strange bizarre stuff about whether something is real or not is probably old tech left in the city that was built by proxies thats malfunctioning or being tampered with by humans. humans, as its established very clearly that proxies have access to nearly everything except space-flight, time-travel and meteorological terraforming. Gordon Rosewater was left in charge the same way as Donov Meyer was, but he got tired of it all and had Alex Rosewatermade from him as a clone to take over his duties letting him relax, but also control things from behind the scenes. Schwartzwald is an auto-reiv that was built to look human and after being infected with cogito now thinks he's human. The constant reappearances after his death are his residuals of his infected personality AI surviving in other systems. Roger's issue with respect to his memories could be that he is 2nd-3rd generation replication similar to Re-L, Real and Monad.
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[[WMG: The Big O took place after the events of Giant Robo:The Day the Earth Stood Still]]
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[[WMG: The Big O documents what happened on the former American continent for the NYC Dome city in ErgoProxy]]
The Amnesia is all due to the humans being created by a proxy, Dorothy is infected with the Cogito Virus but is yet to initiate the Cogito plan. The Megadeuces/Megadeuci were originally built by Proxies to aid their humans. What we see of the world is either the result of it being a massive dome city.
* Alternatively, TheBigO is set in the period after ErgoProxy, the Amnesia is caused by humans waking from a cryogenic state in orbit and the Megadeuces were left behind by a few Proxies who fled the surface when the sky was restored. Dorothy exhibits the final stage of the Cogito Virus, while other androids have been built in such a way that they are immune to cogito as it no longer serves a purpose. All the strange bizarre stuff about whether something is real or not is probably old tech left in the city that was built by proxies thats malfunctioning or being tampered with by humans. Gordon and Alex Rosewater
[[WMG: The Big O documents what happened on the former American continent for the NYC Dome city in ErgoProxy]]
The Amnesia is all due to the humans being created by a proxy, Dorothy is infected with the Cogito Virus but is yet to initiate the Cogito plan. The Megadeuces/Megadeuci were originally built by Proxies to aid their humans. What we see of the world is either the result of it being a massive dome city.
* Alternatively, TheBigO is set in the period after ErgoProxy, the Amnesia is caused by humans waking from a cryogenic state in orbit and the Megadeuces were left behind by a few Proxies who fled the surface when the sky was restored. Dorothy exhibits the final stage of the Cogito Virus, while other androids have been built in such a way that they are immune to cogito as it no longer serves a purpose. All the strange bizarre stuff about whether something is real or not is probably old tech left in the city that was built by proxies thats malfunctioning or being tampered with by humans. Gordon and Alex Rosewater
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[[WMG: The show is a visual of an experimental AI program ala ''{{Simone}}'' ''Film/{{S1m0ne}}'' designed to create multiple tv shows and types.]]
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But it went from cliffhanger to [[Main/{{GainaxEnding}} worse]]; a new series could go BeyondTheImpossible UpToEleven in [[MindScrew confusing]] and be worth watching for that reason.
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[[WMG: The Big O took place after the tragedy of Bashtarle]]
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They only look like giant robots because that's the only way we can perceive them. Or, like NeonGenesisEvangelion, the metal parts hide something... else.
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They only look like giant robots because that's the only way we can perceive them. Or, like NeonGenesisEvangelion, the metal parts hide something... else.else.
[[WMG: The Big O took place after the tragedy of Bashtarle]]
And Gordon Rosewater is a surviving member of Big Fire.
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It can all be explained away as offscreen promotions and such, but in a place like Paradigm, where memories are uncertain, it seems more suspicious.
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It can all be explained away as offscreen promotions and such, but in a place like Paradigm, where memories are uncertain, it seems more suspicious.suspicious.
[[WMG: Big O and the other Megadeuces are really EldritchAbominations]]
They only look like giant robots because that's the only way we can perceive them. Or, like NeonGenesisEvangelion, the metal parts hide something... else.
[[WMG: Big O and the other Megadeuces are really EldritchAbominations]]
They only look like giant robots because that's the only way we can perceive them. Or, like NeonGenesisEvangelion, the metal parts hide something... else.
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Remember what Gordon Rosewater said to Roger about the tomatoes? Who's to say that Rosewater hadn't done the same to humans by synthetically reproduce them? That's why the people of Paradigm couldn't remember, it's either because of the process is not yet perfected or the fact that they were just created and artificially aged.
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Remember what Gordon Rosewater said to Roger about the tomatoes? Who's to say that Rosewater hadn't done the same to humans by synthetically reproduce them? That's why the people of Paradigm couldn't remember, it's either because of the process is not yet perfected or the fact that they were just created and artificially aged.aged.
[[WMG: Paradigm City was reset between Seasons One and Two.]]
It's the little things, mostly. Dastun was a major in Season One and a colonel in Season Two. Roger was referred to as a former lieutenant in Season One, and a former Major in Season Two. Big O has new weapons we've never seen before, but Roger is familiar with. Angel is more competent. Roger's attitude is different, being less snarky and more aggressive- see how he treats Dastun in "Eyewitness"? Compare that to how he acts in "Beck comes Back" or "RD", when Dastun is actually trying to arrest Roger.
It can all be explained away as offscreen promotions and such, but in a place like Paradigm, where memories are uncertain, it seems more suspicious.
[[WMG: Paradigm City was reset between Seasons One and Two.]]
It's the little things, mostly. Dastun was a major in Season One and a colonel in Season Two. Roger was referred to as a former lieutenant in Season One, and a former Major in Season Two. Big O has new weapons we've never seen before, but Roger is familiar with. Angel is more competent. Roger's attitude is different, being less snarky and more aggressive- see how he treats Dastun in "Eyewitness"? Compare that to how he acts in "Beck comes Back" or "RD", when Dastun is actually trying to arrest Roger.
It can all be explained away as offscreen promotions and such, but in a place like Paradigm, where memories are uncertain, it seems more suspicious.
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[[WMG: The people of Paradigm City are not real.]]
Remember what Gordon Rosewater said to Roger about the tomatoes? Who's to say that Rosewater hadn't done the same to humans by synthetically reproduce them? That's why the people of Paradigm couldn't remember, it's either because of the process is not yet perfected or the fact that they were just created and artificially aged.
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[[WMG: Angel is [[TheMelancholyOfHaruhiSuzumiya Haruhi]]]]
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Please note that the world would probably not be the ''exact'' same, but changed subtly to a better world. (Think SerialExperimentsLain, which the author wrote ''just'' before BigO).
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Please note that the world would probably not be the ''exact'' same, but changed subtly to a better world. (Think SerialExperimentsLain, which the author wrote ''just'' before BigO).
Anime/TheBigO).
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[[WMG: TheBigO is a simulation drawn from Alex's subconscious]]
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[[WMG: TheBigO Anime/TheBigO is a simulation drawn from Alex's subconscious]]
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[[WMG: The Big O takes place between [[TurnAGundam the end of the Black History and the Dianna Counter's return to Earth]]]]
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[[WMG: Big O is a (heavily modified) retelling of TheWonderfulWizardOfOz]]
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[[WMG: TwelveOunceMouse is a later season of Big O]]
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[[WMG: TwelveOunceMouse WesternAnimation/TwelveOunceMouse is a later season of Big O]]
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The Turn A destroyed the world years ago with the Moonlight Butterfly. In northeast Ameria, the humans rebuilt by themselves as best they could, digging out Megadei that were buried under layers of nanomachines, like the Mountain Cycles, along the way. At some point, one of them is activated that wipes the memories of everybody, creating Paradigm. Further Mountain Cycles are discovered and excavated over the next forty years, the Megadei we see in the series, including the Leviathan, a prototype Mechanical Doll that was used as a testbed for the Moonlight Butterfly. Eventually, a Mechanical Doll that uses an exotic branch of technology separate from the Turn A is activated, resonating with the DNA sequence of a descendant of its builder, and "erases" all traces of technology around Paradigm. Everything is forgotten, and rebuilt over time into the Turn A Gundam universe.
The Turn A destroyed the world years ago with the Moonlight Butterfly. In northeast Ameria, the humans rebuilt by themselves as best they could, digging out Megadei that were buried under layers of nanomachines, like the Mountain Cycles, along the way. At some point, one of them is activated that wipes the memories of everybody, creating Paradigm. Further Mountain Cycles are discovered and excavated over the next forty years, the Megadei we see in the series, including the Leviathan, a prototype Mechanical Doll that was used as a testbed for the Moonlight Butterfly. Eventually, a Mechanical Doll that uses an exotic branch of technology separate from the Turn A is activated, resonating with the DNA sequence of a descendant of its builder, and "erases" all traces of technology around Paradigm. Everything is forgotten, and rebuilt over time into the Turn A Gundam universe.
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7) This is also why, in the manga, people are able to store memories in banks and find them in external objects. They could actually copy memories onto disks, but since they have an incomplete knowledge of what people are, they don't realize that this isn't a normal human ability.
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How come Roger is never affected by the giant magnets that trap Dorothy.
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How come Roger is never affected by the giant magnets that trap Dorothy.
Dorothy, and why have some characters (apparently) aged over the decades while the robots look the same (as evidenced by the Bigs and R.D. On the other hand, we saw that Roger's old-man looking informant was actually a robot, so I guess altered face plates are not completely out of the question.
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** Gordon Rosewater was shown to have significantly aged from before everyone lost their memories -- the fact that Roger appears the same now as he did then was one of the MindScrews of the show, and in the manga (which was created after season 1 of the manga aired) there was an uprising of younger rich kids who decided that the previous generation should get out of there way since the current one doesn't have any holes in their memories (aborted because they intruded on Norman while he was talking to his favorite statue, while simultaneously putting a machine gun near him at the same time, which probably went a long way towards convincing them that the older generation is not to be screwed with). And then there's the fact that young people/robots were getting memories from before forty years ago, including a little girl who could read the memories of people who couldn't remember them themselves, which just further complicates the situation...
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[[WMG: Paradigm was a military situation programme]]
Paradigm was originally designed as a military programme to simulate various situations of war and famine and to make minor adjustments and rerun the simulation to see the optimum parameters, i.e., it runs a an iteration, sees how long that iteration lasts and if it lasts longer than the previous one the changes are kept and some new ones are tried. Its last task was examining the best way for the survivors of post-war New York to band together into a new city to survive. Somewhere along the way the people in charge of the simulation died and it was left on auto-repeat. Although the world outside of New York (Paradigm) is not simulated the possibility of foreign powers entering the simulation was left in. The series is one iteration of the programme after it has been run for hundreds and hundreds of time and the changes it has made, while they do make everyone survive for forty years, have become pretty crazy. Angel is all part of the system for determining when to reset and what changes to make. The simulation now contains the only remnant of humanity left on earth and will be lost when the computer's power runs out.
Paradigm was originally designed as a military programme to simulate various situations of war and famine and to make minor adjustments and rerun the simulation to see the optimum parameters, i.e., it runs a an iteration, sees how long that iteration lasts and if it lasts longer than the previous one the changes are kept and some new ones are tried. Its last task was examining the best way for the survivors of post-war New York to band together into a new city to survive. Somewhere along the way the people in charge of the simulation died and it was left on auto-repeat. Although the world outside of New York (Paradigm) is not simulated the possibility of foreign powers entering the simulation was left in. The series is one iteration of the programme after it has been run for hundreds and hundreds of time and the changes it has made, while they do make everyone survive for forty years, have become pretty crazy. Angel is all part of the system for determining when to reset and what changes to make. The simulation now contains the only remnant of humanity left on earth and will be lost when the computer's power runs out.
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[[WMG: Roger Smith is [[TheElricSaga the Eternal Champion]]
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Roger Smith is a seeker of Order in a world of Chaos; he has friends who are followers; he has a doomed romance; he has a black magical superweapon. And everything is doomed no matter how many times or how much the hero wins. It's pure MichaelMoorcock.
Roger Smith is a seeker of Order in a world of Chaos; he has friends who are followers; he has a doomed romance; he has a black magical superweapon. And everything is doomed no matter how many times or how much the hero wins. It's pure MichaelMoorcock.
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[[WMG: Roger Smith is [[TheElricSaga the EternalChampion]]
Eternal Champion]]
Roger Smith is a seeker of Order in a world of Chaos; he has friends who are followers; he has a doomed romance; he has ablack magical black superweapon. And everything is doomed no matter how many times or how much the hero wins. It's pure MichaelMoorcock.
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Roger Smith is a seeker of Order in a world of Chaos; he has friends who are followers; he has a doomed romance; he has a black magical superweapon. And everything is doomed no matter how many times or how much the hero wins. It's pure MichaelMoorcock.
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* {{Jossed}} by a banner that says "Exposition 04" in Schwarzwald's first appearance.
[[WMG: Roger is a clone of Gastun]]
There.
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Gordon Rosewater is a fusion of Gendo and Yui Ikari, this is why he's so apathetic to everything going. He has what he wants so he doesn't care anymore. Alex is also Gendo, but only the part of him that wants to destroy the world. This part split off in Insturmentality when Gordon formed.
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Gordon Rosewater is a fusion of Gendo and Yui Ikari, this is why he's so apathetic to everything going. He has what he wants so he doesn't care anymore. Alex is also Gendo, but only the part of him that wants to destroy the world. This part split off in Insturmentality when Gordon formed. The antagonism between father and son is then a sign of the conflict within Gendo himself about his own father and son. He takes it all out on Roger-Shinji, which subconsciously eases his anxiety.
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Beck is actually Kensuke, warped by jealousy of Shinji, and driven to using Domanus to destroy Shinji and thereby prove his superiority. His fixation with Dorothy comes from her having red hair like Asuka did, before she became Angel.
Beck is actually Kensuke, warped by jealousy of Shinji, and driven to using Domanus to destroy Shinji and thereby prove his superiority. His fixation with Dorothy comes from her having red hair like Asuka did, before she became Angel.
