History WMG / TengenToppaGurrenLagann

Think about it. EpilepticTrees run on Spiral Power. TV Tropes itself is a cyberspace version of Lagann, and tropes drill throughout fiction. As these tropes drill through fiction, it assimilates everything unto itself, informalizes them, and through the inspiring informality that is so unlike Wiki/TheOtherWiki, creates more Epileptic Trees in the process. In short, TV Tropes promotes Fanon-I mean turns normal fiction into Epileptic Tree generators. Eventually [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife these Epileptic Trees will reach critical mass]], [[BreakingTheFourthWall pierce the heavens, get in]] RealLife, and cause TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Or just turn the universe into ''Lost''.
* No, because tropers around the world, having [[HeroicSacrifice heroically sacrificed]] [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife their spare time and social life]] in the never-ending search of the ultimate Trope, are fully equipped to deal with [[JustForFun/TropeOverdosed tropes running wild]]. We shall show up [[BigDamnHeroes at the last second]], shout "[[CatchPhrase WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE ARE!?]]" as one, and fire off a [[ThisIsADrill drill-shaped galaxy-wide]] {{Kamehamehadoken}} made of [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendship]] and [[AllYourPowersCombined our combined knowledge of tropery]], [[SealedEvilInACan banishing them back to the Internet]] [[SequelHook until they arise once more]].

* No, because tropers around the world, having [[HeroicSacrifice heroically sacrificed]] [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife their spare time and social life]] in the never-ending search of the ultimate Trope, are fully equipped to deal with [[TropeOverdosed tropes running wild]]. We shall show up [[BigDamnHeroes at the last second]], shout "[[CatchPhrase WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE ARE!?]]" as one, and fire off a [[ThisIsADrill drill-shaped galaxy-wide]] {{Kamehamehadoken}} made of [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendship]] and [[AllYourPowersCombined our combined knowledge of tropery]], [[SealedEvilInACan banishing them back to the Internet]] [[SequelHook until they arise once more]].

*** Nah, I'm thinking something else. I'm afraid it'll cause Spiral Nemesis just by describing it, but here goes. What about a massive flaming hole being torn through the universe straight through to the afterlife, through which Kamina, wearing a flaming crown and a flaming version of his cape and shades, sprouting GoNagaiSideburns, and DualWielding [[FlamingSword Flaming]] [[ChainsawGood Chain]][[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} swords]], rides out on top of the head of his own Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, piloted by Kittan, Lord Genome, his generals, and everyone else on the non-Anti-Spiral side, which proceeds to gattai with the one used by Simon and the rest of the team, which is joined by Creator/ChuckNorris, Creator/MrT, Webcomic/AxeCop, [[Webcomic/TheAdventuresOfDrMcNinja Dr. McNinja]], Franchise/{{Batman}}, [[Film/{{Avatar}} Colonel Quaritch]], [[Film/ThreeHundred Leonidas and the Spartans]], [[VideoGame/GodOfWar Kratos]], Bruce Ironstaunch, [[Creator/DanielRemar reallyjoel's Dad]], [[StarWars Boba Fett, Darth Vader,]] [[Anime/MobileFighterGGundam Domon, Master Asia, his horse]], Creator/{{BRIAN BLESSED}}, UsefulNotes/TheodoreRoosevelt, [[{{Series/Firefly}} River Tam]], Webcomic/ProblemSleuth, [[Webcomic/{{Homestuck}} Bro, Equius, Mr. Egbert, Grandpa Harley]], [[Anime/DragonBallZ Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, Future Trunks]], [[VideoGame/TeamFortress2 Saxton Hale]], [[VideoGame/DwarfFortress Morul, Captain Ironblood,]] [[Anime/ShinMazinger Kouji]], [[VideoGame/BarkleyShutUpAndJamGaiden Charles Barkley,]] [[Webcomic/SweetBroAndHellaJeff Hass the Rock]], [[VideoGame/FZero Captain Falcon]], Advertising/TheManYourManCouldSmellLike, [[Anime/GaoGaiGar Guy]], Advertising/SegataSanshiro, [[Franchise/PowerRangers Tommy Oliver]], [[Film/{{Commando}} John Matrix]], everyone else listed on the MemeticBadass page, and anyone not already listed who has appeared in Webcomic/ManlyGuysDoingManlyThings to form a new mecha, which is the size of the ''entire'' Multiverse, made of Spiral Energy, is shaped like Kamina in his aforementioned equipment, plus Lord Genome's beard and Simon's visor, both made of fire, with a Powerthirst-spewing fountain in its chest, flaming wings made out of lightsabers, and is riding an appropriately scaled-up [[Webcomic/AxeCop Wexter]] in his rocket-winged dragon form while wielding [[Fanfic/ThirtyHs Fuckslayer and a flaming groinsaw]], then proceeding to perform a Super Tengen Toppa Giga Drill Breaker with each limb, plus the head, and t

** Obviously, yes. But assuming the Anti-Spiral storyline was thought out that far in advance it's likely that Simon was meant to be fighting the hypothetical Spiral Nemesis.

As long as there is NoFourthWall, the "Spiral Nemesis" could reference TheChrisCarterEffect. As in, Spiral Energy is nothing more than the [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve the audience's will]] to have an entertaining story. Once the inertia of having most of the threads being resolved occurred, the audience is finally ready to have the plot wither and die. If the story continued at that point, [[{{Sequelitis}} the Spiral Energy would be tapped out,]] [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy and the heroes would barely make it against an upcoming threat.]] So, in a sense, the universe pulled a NegativeSpaceWedgie in order to [[MercyKill spare the protagonists from trauma-induced pain]], lest they lapse back on the [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Big Brother Series...]]

[[WMG: The final battle against The Anti-Spiral was a BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind, ala ''Film/TheMatrix''.]]

** Or does letting the Film/ThreeHundred Spartans fight in '''Tengen Toppa''' Gurren Lagann -like Mecha and having them proceed to kill an army of [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch]] [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu Abominations]] ''[[Film/TheMatrix in bullet time]]'' while accompanied by every MemeticBadass count?

In Lagann-Hen, it's implied that the fighting between the Grand Zamboza and [[spoiler:Mecha-Kamina Spiral Jesus]] caused the Anti-Spiral pocket universe to collapse, ala Spiral Nemesis. Unknown to either side, the universe didn't just collapse: it became a new Big Bang. And thus, ''we'' were born in a SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome. The reason why our universe has zero RuleOfCool or RuleOfFunny behind it, not to mention completely unbreakable laws of physics, is because we were once the Anti-Spiral pocket universe. Still, CrazyAwesome from [[spoiler:Mecha-Kamina Spiral Jesus]] remain: that's why black holes, [[MindScrew quantum physics]] and over crazy stuff. This has the added benefit of giving us [[JesusWasWayCool the greatest deity/deities existence could offer us.]]

[[WMG: Gurren Lagann is the distant future of Anime/ShinkonGattaiGodannar.]]

[[WMG: The Ganmen were built by [[IronMan Tony Stark]]]]

*** Nah, I'm thinking something else. I'm afraid it'll cause Spiral Nemesis just by describing it, but here goes. What about a massive flaming hole being torn through the universe straight through to the afterlife, through which Kamina, wearing a flaming crown and a flaming version of his cape and shades, sprouting GoNagaiSideburns, and DualWielding [[FlamingSword Flaming]] [[ChainsawGood Chain]][[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} swords]], rides out on top of the head of his own Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, piloted by Kittan, Lord Genome, his generals, and everyone else on the non-Anti-Spiral side, which proceeds to gattai with the one used by Simon and the rest of the team, which is joined by Creator/ChuckNorris, Creator/MrT, Webcomic/AxeCop, [[Webcomic/TheAdventuresOfDrMcNinja Dr. McNinja]], Franchise/{{Batman}}, [[Film/{{Avatar}} Colonel Quaritch]], [[Film/ThreeHundred Leonidas and the Spartans]], [[VideoGame/GodOfWar Kratos]], Bruce Ironstaunch, [[Creator/DanielRemar reallyjoel's Dad]], [[StarWars Boba Fett, Darth Vader,]] [[Anime/MobileFighterGGundam Domon, Master Asia, his horse]], Creator/{{BRIAN BLESSED}}, UsefulNotes/TheodoreRoosevelt, [[{{Series/Firefly}} River Tam]], Webcomic/ProblemSleuth, [[Webcomic/{{Homestuck}} Bro, Equius, Mr. Egbert, Grandpa Harley]], [[Anime/DragonBallZ Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, Future Trunks]], [[VideoGame/TeamFortress2 Saxton Hale]], [[VideoGame/DwarfFortress Morul, Captain Ironblood,]] [[Anime/ShinMazinger Kouji]], [[VideoGame/BarkleyShutUpAndJamGaiden Charles Barkley,]] [[Webcomic/SweetBroAndHellaJeff Hass the Rock]], [[VideoGame/FZero Captain Falcon]], Advertising/TheManYourManCouldSmellLike, [[Anime/GaoGaiGar Guy]], Advertising/SegataSanshiro, [[PowerRangers Tommy Oliver]], [[Film/{{Commando}} John Matrix]], everyone else listed on the MemeticBadass page, and anyone not already listed who has appeared in Webcomic/ManlyGuysDoingManlyThings to form a new mecha, which is the size of the ''entire'' Multiverse, made of Spiral Energy, is shaped like Kamina in his aforementioned equipment, plus Lord Genome's beard and Simon's visor, both made of fire, with a Powerthirst-spewing fountain in its chest, flaming wings made out of lightsabers, and is riding an appropriately scaled-up [[Webcomic/AxeCop Wexter]] in his rocket-winged dragon form while wielding [[Fanfic/ThirtyHs Fuckslayer and a flaming groinsaw]], then proceeding to perform a Super Tengen Toppa Giga Drill Breaker with each limb, plus the head, and t

[[WMG: SOmetime during the epilogue, Simon [[spoiler:hooked up with the reincarnation of Nia]].]]

This left the Anti-Spiral incapable of considering that its mission to preserve the universe would lead to the destruction of life outside of itself, in effect defeating its own purpose for preserving the universe. This also factors into its actions when facing enemies, it cannot ever admit that its less than practical methods are wrong, because it would mean the risk of admitting it was wrong about everything else. Which is part of why it died peacefully, seeing it was wrong how to defeat the Spirals, could also mean having to admit it was wrong about all the death it wrought before. For it to truely come to grips with having killed so many innocent beings would be a FateWorseThanDeath.

spiral power tends to mostly progress in individuals progress, not societys, societal progress results in things like gunman that can more easily use that power but the actual raw power comes from individuals, and thus limited by there lifespan, its implied in the ending that viral gained access to spiral power, and he is immortal, his power will continually grow with no limits

** And, of course, EverythingsBetterWithSpinning.

[[WMG: The Anti-Spirals are [[NecessaryEvil "good guys"]].]]

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* Continuing from the above, the Anti-Spirals were responsible for the death of the Dreamcast. But during Sega's decline in [[TheNineties the mid-to-late 1990s]], and especially after they were out of the market, gaming took on a decidedly DarkerAndEdgier slant. First with VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto-style sandbox games set in [[CriminalProcedural crime-ridden cities]], then with [[RealIsBrown realistic]] {{First Person Shooter}}s where the player is not an individual hero but a single soldier who may or may not have any real effect on the outcome of the war, games are going [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism down to the cynical end of the scale]], very much fitting with the Anti-Spiral motive of creating cynicism and despair. Nintendo and Sega, makers of decidedly more idealistic games that gave gaming actual "faces" like [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Mario]] and [[SonicTheHedgehog Sonic]] (remember the ''faceless'' Anti-Spiral robots? And the "faceless" corporations they're using to take over gaming?), pissed off the Anti-Spirals to no end, so they directed their hate at those companies. Sega went down with their [[UsefulNotes/SegaDreamcast Dreamcast]], leaving the console market. Their niche was filled by Microsoft, a company even further divorced from "idealism" than Sony. It seemed like Nintendo, too would fall: the Gamecube was the bottom of its generation, and Anti-Spiral puppet corporation Sony was poised to enter the handheld market. It would supposedly destroy Nintendo there. All seemed dark, like the Spirals would fade from gaming altogether, until... '''[[UsefulNotes/{{Wii}} ROW ROW]] [[UsefulNotes/NintendoDS FIGHT THE POWAH!]]''' You want even more proof? [[http://malstrom.50webs.com/birdman.html Go ahead, Ctrl+ F and search "Spiral".]] Nintendo's "User Satisfaction as King" business strategy is called a Spiral! The "[[StopHavingFunGuys hardcore]]" FPS gamers, who by now are ''de facto'' Anti-Spirals, are pissed at Nintendo's strategy of expanding the market to all for fear that it will cause the gaming Spiral Nemesis, destroying video gaming's special niche in the culture. Oh, and Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto is Simon.

** Why? "ヴィラル, Viraru" ("Vee-rahl") is a character in TTGL. Viral ("vai-ruhl") is, according to the tenth edition of "Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary", [[CaptainObvious "of, relating to, or caused by a virus"]]. What's your point?

** The GM saw that there were so many [[CrowningMomentofAwesome Crowning Moments of Awesome]] happening he just let things spiral just to see what the players would come up with next. He kept having to come up with more powerful enemies for them to fight. "Let's see them defeat a city-sized mech!"

In Lagann-Hen, it's implied that the fighting between the Grand Zamboza and [[spoiler:Mecha-Kamina Spiral Jesus]] caused the Anti-Spiral pocket universe to collapse, ala Spiral Nemesis. Unknown to either side, the universe didn't just collapse: it became a new Big Bang. And thus, ''we'' were born in a CrowningMomentOfAwesome. The reason why our universe has zero RuleOfCool or RuleOfFunny behind it, not to mention completely unbreakable laws of physics, is because we were once the Anti-Spiral pocket universe. Still, CrazyAwesome from [[spoiler:Mecha-Kamina Spiral Jesus]] remain: that's why black holes, [[MindScrew quantum physics]] and over crazy stuff. This has the added benefit of giving us [[JesusWasWayCool the greatest deity/deities existence could offer us.]]

Yoko, knowing Kamina is, [[HandsomeLech well, Kamina]], figured he'd probably try to spy on them. So, for laughs, she and the other girls made it seem that [[SkinShipGrope they were comparing boob size.]] I know it's not much, [[CrowningMomentOfFunny but imagine Kamina leering in only to find them just resting there.]]

* Jossed. The writer attributed that scene to an alternate ending if Simon didn't heed the Anti-Spiral's final warning.

Says so on the Main/PoisonOakEpilepticTrees page!

Everyone is noticeably disturbed when the Anti-Spiral is explaining the fate of Spiral Power and what the Spiral Nemesis means, and it seems to be implied that the Anti-Spiral thinks Simon will be the catalyst for the Spiral Nemesis. So, the prologue is a bad ending where either the Anti-Spirals brainwash Team Dai-Gurren, or they decide of their own free will that halting evolution is the best way to ensure that the universe doesn't end. The Anti-Spiral then instructs them to attack the Spiral home worlds with Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann, because the Spiral races probably would not be expecting an attack from another Spiral race. It's [[PoisonOakEpilepticTrees not a very pleasant idea]], but at the very least, it makes the "So it seems all the lights in the heavens are our enemies" line make sense.

*** The two already consider each other as siblings. So it's still squick. And [[YaoiFangirl Yoko]] [[FetishFuel has a strange imagination.]]

Due to being inside this giant mech thing that combined all of their abilities (see it using Simon's drills, Yoko's rifle, etc.), they all absorb some aspect of Viral's longevity. As seen 20 years later, Leeron doesn't appear to have aged (and doesn't care enough to hide it). Meanwhile, due to not wanting arouse suspicion for whatever reason, characters like Simon and Yoko disguise their age either through makeup or just using their remaining Spiral Power to create the illusion of them being older (one of Simon's eyes still has a spiral in it, whilst we don't see Yoko's, so there's nothing saying she doesn't have the same).

Due to being inside this giant mech thing that combined all of their abilities (see it using Simon's drills, Yoko's rifle, etc.), they all absorb some aspect of Viral's longevity. As seen 20 years later, Leeron doesn't appear to have aged (and doesn't care enough to hide it). Meanwhile, due to not wanting arouse suspicion for whatever reason, characters like Simon and Yoko disguise their age either through makeup or just using their remaining Spiral Power to create the illusion of them being older.