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* The Goal Pole Ghost: A young man is a huge fan of haunted places and loves to look at the ghost houses to prove everyone that ghosts are real, but then [[spoiler: as he reaches the goal pole and waits for 30 seconds, a large Boo comes out of nowhere and scares him. The man was so scared that [[BringMyBrownPants not only he releived himself his pants]], but he got a heart attack and died, before he turned into a humanoid ghost. The ghost was screaming at Mario when he appeared because he was trying to communicate with him, but no one cared. Poor thing]]
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* The Goal Pole Ghost: A young man is a huge fan of haunted places and loves to look at the ghost houses to prove everyone that ghosts are real, but then [[spoiler: as he reaches the goal pole and waits for 30 seconds, a large Boo comes out of nowhere and scares him. The man was so scared that [[BringMyBrownPants not only he releived himself in his pants]], but he got a heart attack and died, before he turned into a humanoid ghost. The ghost was screaming at Mario when he appeared because he was trying to communicate with him, but no one cared. Poor thing]]
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[[WMG: The Shiverburn figures and the goal pole ghost from ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DLand'' have sympathetic backstories and they used to be actual humans before they died]]
They're ghostly humanoid figures, so of course they may be souls of dead humans. Here's how thier human forms might've died:
* The Shiverburn Figures: A group of three young men were mucking around in the Shiverburn Galaxy peaks, watching the sights and sounds of the galaxy. One day, they spyed on the boss of this game and mocked it behind its back, but they didn't realise that [[spoiler: the boss was behind them and ran them over like a pancake, thus killing them and turning them into the Shiverburn figures we dreaded]].
* The Goal Pole Ghost: A young man is a huge fan of haunted places and loves to look at the ghost houses to prove everyone that ghosts are real, but then [[spoiler: as he reaches the goal pole and waits for 30 seconds, a large Boo comes out of nowhere and scares him. The man was so scared that [[BringMyBrownPants not only he releived himself his pants]], but he got a heart attack and died, before he turned into a humanoid ghost. The ghost was screaming at Mario when he appeared because he was trying to communicate with him, but no one cared. Poor thing]]
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* (This is where the midquel part comes in.) Now that everyone is back together again, Mario and co. return to the Mushroom World for the ''third'' Star Festival, which is the one with the Purple Coins that gave you the original game's 121st star, thereby explaining how Mario could have Luma with him again despite the fact that he'd "just" sacrificed himself to destroy Bowser's black hole - because there was a whole other game since then that we hadn't seen.
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* (This is where the midquel part comes in.) Now that everyone is back together again, Mario and co. return to the Mushroom World for the ''third'' Star Festival, which is the one with the Purple Coins that gave you the original game's 121st star, thereby explaining how Mario could have Luma with him again despite the fact that he'd "just" sacrificed himself to destroy Bowser's black hole - -- because there was a whole other game since then that we hadn't seen.seen.
[[WMG: ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' is an alternate universe from ''Super Mario Galaxy'']]
The gaming styles are are different, different power-ups, and Yoshi is in the worlds. The fact that Mario does not recognize Rosalina in the slightest by the end of ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' is the kicker, though.
* Not to mention that the Toad Brigade are actually useful (in one level, but the point stands).
* The Toad Brigade was only useful when the Captain was kidnapped. They need a change in leadership.
* This was actually confirmed by WordOfGod before release.
[[WMG: ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' is [[spoiler:the new galaxy.]]]]
[[spoiler:Rosalina mentions at the end of ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy'' that, after the effective [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt destruction of the universe]], the stardust had re-formed to restore the galactic cycle, but she points out that "the cycle never repeats itself in quite the same way," ending with a rather ominous "So you'll see..."]] Given that ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy2'' will be half MissionPackSequel and half UpdatedRerelease, featuring some new galaxies as well as returning ones with new objectives, it's possible that these galaxies are simply the result of [[spoiler:the life cycle continuing in a somewhat different way, and the [[PunctuatedForEmphasis NHOOOOO GhAALACKSEEEE]] Mario's so excited to welcome will be the setting of the sequel.]]
* All but confirmed by Miyamoto himself, who had [[http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2010/03/26/miyamoto-on-mario-galaxy-2-expanding-games-and-more.aspx said]] that "[Super Mario Galaxy 2] has been developed and designed so that those who have conquered the prequel, Super Mario Galaxy 1, can feel as if it’s a continuation from the ending of that first game."
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[[WMG: ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' is an alternate universe from ''Super Mario Galaxy'']]
The gaming styles are are different, different power-ups, and Yoshi is in the worlds. The fact that Mario does not recognize Rosalina in the slightest by the end of ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' is the kicker, though.
* Not to mention that the Toad Brigade are actually useful (in one level, but the point stands).
* The Toad Brigade was only useful when the Captain was kidnapped. They need a change in leadership.
* This was actually confirmed by WordOfGod before release.
[[WMG: ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' is [[spoiler:the new galaxy.]]]]
[[spoiler:Rosalina mentions at the end of ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy'' that, after the effective [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt destruction of the universe]], the stardust had re-formed to restore the galactic cycle, but she points out that "the cycle never repeats itself in quite the same way," ending with a rather ominous "So you'll see..."]] Given that ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy2'' will be half MissionPackSequel and half UpdatedRerelease, featuring some new galaxies as well as returning ones with new objectives, it's possible that these galaxies are simply the result of [[spoiler:the life cycle continuing in a somewhat different way, and the [[PunctuatedForEmphasis NHOOOOO GhAALACKSEEEE]] Mario's so excited to welcome will be the setting of the sequel.]]
* All but confirmed by Miyamoto himself, who had [[http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2010/03/26/miyamoto-on-mario-galaxy-2-expanding-games-and-more.aspx said]] that "[Super Mario Galaxy 2] has been developed and designed so that those who have conquered the prequel, Super Mario Galaxy 1, can feel as if it’s a continuation from the ending of that first game."
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This is why he was [[PutOnABus absent]] in [[VideoGame/SuperMario3DLand Super Mario 3D Land]] and [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros2 New Super Mario Bros. 2]]. [[spoiler:After his defeat in the Boomsday Machine, he had fallen into the sun in the background, much like how Bowser did in [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy the first game.]]]] Worse, [[ParentalObliviousness Bowser didn't even notice this]] until a short time after his defeat. [[TheWoobie True or not, poor baby.]] Bowser Jr. [[BackFromTheDead returns]] in [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBrosU New Super Mario Bros. U]], because Bowser had used a cauldron to somehow, someway revive Jr.. [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros1 Talk about returning]] [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming the favor.]]]]
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This is why he was [[PutOnABus absent]] in [[VideoGame/SuperMario3DLand Super Mario 3D Land]] and [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros2 New Super Mario Bros. 2]]. [[spoiler:After his defeat in the Boomsday Machine, he had fallen into the sun in the background, much like how Bowser did in [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy the first game.]]]] Worse, [[ParentalObliviousness Bowser didn't even notice this]] until a short time after his defeat. [[TheWoobie True or not, poor baby.]] Bowser Jr. [[BackFromTheDead returns]] in [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBrosU New Super Mario Bros. U]], because Bowser had used a cauldron to somehow, someway revive Jr.. [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros1 Talk about returning]] [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments the favor.]]]]
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* As well as announcing herself to the other NPCs on Starship Mario, who also probably haven't met her before.
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* As well as announcing herself to the other NPCs [=NPCs=] on Starship Mario, who also probably haven't met her before.
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* During the same ending, though, we see that Luma still has Mario's hat, which he didn't have at the end of the first game. So it's more than just a retelling.
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* As well as announcing herself to the other NPCs on Starship Mario, who also probably haven't met her before.
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** It's implied that travelling at lightspeed or faster is what keeps her so young.
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* Why do people keep making this comparison? The only similarities between the two of them are that they're chubby stars with deep voices who wear pants. Lubba may be a wisecracker, but he's still much more humble and down-to-Earth (ironically) than Patrick.
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* Mario proceeds to go on the second game's adventure, and eventually rescues Peach and allows Luma to reunite with Rosalina. (Rosalina introduces herself at the end of the second game because Peach hasn't met her yet - everyone else on Starship Mario knows who she is from the first game.)
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* Mario proceeds to go on the second game's adventure, and eventually rescues Peach and allows Luma to reunite with Rosalina. (Rosalina introduces herself at the end of the second game because Peach hasn't met her yet - everyone else on Starship Mario knows who she is yet, but Mario, Luigi, Lubba, and the Toads all remember her from the first game.)
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A much simpler alternative to all those "alternate universe" theories posted above...''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' takes place after the main ending of the first game, but the near-death and rebirth of the universe led to Mario and co. developing amnesia, thereby explaining why he doesn't remember Luma and has to be re-taught the controls and mechanics of the game. Here's how it goes:
* The Lumas recreate the universe, sending everyone back to the day of the Star Festival at the start of the game. (Which becomes the festival seen at the start of the second game.) Rosalina departs in the observatory, unknowingly leaving the white Luma behind in the rusted starshroom.
* The Lumas recreate the universe, sending everyone back to the day of the Star Festival at the start of the game. (Which becomes the festival seen at the start of the second game.) Rosalina departs in the observatory, unknowingly leaving the white Luma behind in the rusted starshroom.
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A much simpler alternative to all those "alternate universe" theories posted above...''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' takes place after the main ending of the first game, but the near-death and rebirth of the universe led to Mario and co. developing amnesia, thereby explaining why he doesn't remember Luma and has to be re-taught the controls and mechanics of the game. Here's how it goes:
* The Lumas recreate theuniverse, universe after Bowser's black hole threatened to destroy it, sending everyone back to the day of the Star Festival at the start of the game. (Which becomes the festival seen at the start of the second game.) Rosalina departs in the observatory, unknowingly leaving the white Luma behind in the rusted starshroom.
* The Lumas recreate the
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* Mario proceeds to go on the second game's adventure, and eventually rescues Peach and allows Luma to reunite with Rosalina. (Rosalina still remembers what happened in the original game, hence why she recognizes Mario but still introduces herself to him when they meet.at the end of the second game because Peach hasn't met her yet - everyone else on Starship Mario knows who she is from the first game.)
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This also explains the "light" motif; [[FridgeBrilliance because things become dusty when they get old]].
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This also explains the "light" motif; [[FridgeBrilliance because things become dusty when they get old]].old]].
[[WMG: It's not a sequel...It's a ''midquel!'']]
A much simpler alternative to all those "alternate universe" theories posted above...''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' takes place after the main ending of the first game, but the near-death and rebirth of the universe led to Mario and co. developing amnesia, thereby explaining why he doesn't remember Luma and has to be re-taught the controls and mechanics of the game. Here's how it goes:
* The Lumas recreate the universe, sending everyone back to the day of the Star Festival at the start of the game. (Which becomes the festival seen at the start of the second game.) Rosalina departs in the observatory, unknowingly leaving the white Luma behind in the rusted starshroom.
* The white Luma eventually meets up with Lubba, but his starship is attacked by Bowser instead, causing Luma to fall down to the Mushroom World and reunite with Mario, who's on his way to the second game's Star Festival.
* Mario proceeds to go on the second game's adventure, and eventually rescues Peach and allows Luma to reunite with Rosalina. (Rosalina still remembers what happened in the original game, hence why she recognizes Mario but still introduces herself to him when they meet.)
* (This is where the midquel part comes in.) Now that everyone is back together again, Mario and co. return to the Mushroom World for the ''third'' Star Festival, which is the one with the Purple Coins that gave you the original game's 121st star, thereby explaining how Mario could have Luma with him again despite the fact that he'd "just" sacrificed himself to destroy Bowser's black hole - because there was a whole other game since then that we hadn't seen.
[[WMG: It's not a sequel...It's a ''midquel!'']]
A much simpler alternative to all those "alternate universe" theories posted above...''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' takes place after the main ending of the first game, but the near-death and rebirth of the universe led to Mario and co. developing amnesia, thereby explaining why he doesn't remember Luma and has to be re-taught the controls and mechanics of the game. Here's how it goes:
* The Lumas recreate the universe, sending everyone back to the day of the Star Festival at the start of the game. (Which becomes the festival seen at the start of the second game.) Rosalina departs in the observatory, unknowingly leaving the white Luma behind in the rusted starshroom.
* The white Luma eventually meets up with Lubba, but his starship is attacked by Bowser instead, causing Luma to fall down to the Mushroom World and reunite with Mario, who's on his way to the second game's Star Festival.
* Mario proceeds to go on the second game's adventure, and eventually rescues Peach and allows Luma to reunite with Rosalina. (Rosalina still remembers what happened in the original game, hence why she recognizes Mario but still introduces herself to him when they meet.)
* (This is where the midquel part comes in.) Now that everyone is back together again, Mario and co. return to the Mushroom World for the ''third'' Star Festival, which is the one with the Purple Coins that gave you the original game's 121st star, thereby explaining how Mario could have Luma with him again despite the fact that he'd "just" sacrificed himself to destroy Bowser's black hole - because there was a whole other game since then that we hadn't seen.
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[[WMG: Only Mario, Lubba, Rosalina, Peach, and (maybe) Bowser remember the events of the first SuperMarioGalaxy]]
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[[WMG: Only Mario, Lubba, Rosalina, Peach, and (maybe) Bowser remember the events of the first SuperMarioGalaxy]]
VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy]]
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This is why he was [[PutOnABus absent]] in [[SuperMario3DLand Super Mario 3D Land]] and [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros2 New Super Mario Bros. 2]]. [[spoiler:After his defeat in the Boomsday Machine, he had fallen into the sun in the background, much like how Bowser did in [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy the first game.]]]] Worse, [[ParentalObliviousness Bowser didn't even notice this]] until a short time after his defeat. [[TheWoobie True or not, poor baby.]] Bowser Jr. [[BackFromTheDead returns]] in [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBrosU New Super Mario Bros. U]], because Bowser had used a cauldron to somehow, someway revive Jr.. [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros1 Talk about returning]] [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming the favor.]]]]
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This is why he was [[PutOnABus absent]] in [[SuperMario3DLand [[VideoGame/SuperMario3DLand Super Mario 3D Land]] and [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros2 New Super Mario Bros. 2]]. [[spoiler:After his defeat in the Boomsday Machine, he had fallen into the sun in the background, much like how Bowser did in [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy the first game.]]]] Worse, [[ParentalObliviousness Bowser didn't even notice this]] until a short time after his defeat. [[TheWoobie True or not, poor baby.]] Bowser Jr. [[BackFromTheDead returns]] in [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBrosU New Super Mario Bros. U]], because Bowser had used a cauldron to somehow, someway revive Jr.. [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros1 Talk about returning]] [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming the favor.]]]]
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This is why he was [[PutOnABus absent]] in [[SuperMario3DLand Super Mario 3D Land]] and [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros2 New Super Mario Bros. 2]]. [[spoiler:After his defeat in the Boomsday Machine, he had fallen into the sun in the background, much like how Bowser did in [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy the first game.]]]] Worse, [[ParentalObliviousness Bowser didn't even notice this]] until a short time after his defeat. [[TheWoobie True or not, poor baby.]] Bowser Jr. [[BackFromTheDead returns]] in [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBrosU New Super Mario Bros. U]], because Bowser had used a cauldron to somehow, someway revive Jr.. [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros1 Talk about returning]] [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming the favor.]]]]
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This is why he was [[PutOnABus absent]] in [[SuperMario3DLand Super Mario 3D Land]] and [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros2 New Super Mario Bros. 2]]. [[spoiler:After his defeat in the Boomsday Machine, he had fallen into the sun in the background, much like how Bowser did in [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy the first game.]]]] Worse, [[ParentalObliviousness Bowser didn't even notice this]] until a short time after his defeat. [[TheWoobie True or not, poor baby.]] Bowser Jr. [[BackFromTheDead returns]] in [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBrosU New Super Mario Bros. U]], because Bowser had used a cauldron to somehow, someway revive Jr.. [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros1 Talk about returning]] [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming the favor.]]]]]]]]
[[WMG: The Bulb Berry warps time.]]
Think about it. Revealing platforms that don't physically exist? Shining light on paintings that otherwise appear to have rotted away? The Bulb Berry is warping objects' past forms to the present!
For example, it lets you see inside the wrappers of candy bars in the [[LevelAte Sweet Mystery Galaxy]]. This can be explained as looking as the chocolate at a time before it had been packaged. And the other candy platforms that reveal themselves when you use the Bulb Berry had simply been eaten, or otherwise destroyed, before Mario got to the galaxy.
This also explains the "light" motif; [[FridgeBrilliance because things become dusty when they get old]].
[[WMG: The Bulb Berry warps time.]]
Think about it. Revealing platforms that don't physically exist? Shining light on paintings that otherwise appear to have rotted away? The Bulb Berry is warping objects' past forms to the present!
For example, it lets you see inside the wrappers of candy bars in the [[LevelAte Sweet Mystery Galaxy]]. This can be explained as looking as the chocolate at a time before it had been packaged. And the other candy platforms that reveal themselves when you use the Bulb Berry had simply been eaten, or otherwise destroyed, before Mario got to the galaxy.
This also explains the "light" motif; [[FridgeBrilliance because things become dusty when they get old]].
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Seeing the Sky Trees was a fluke at best, an accident that one gamer made and noticed them before spreading the word. But they could have been MANY places before Freezeflame. In many games, lurking in the shadows, waiting to ambush our poor Nintendo characters. [[SuperSmashBrothers Possibly all at once....]]
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Seeing the Sky Trees was a fluke at best, an accident that one gamer made and noticed them before spreading the word. But they could have been MANY places before Freezeflame. In many games, lurking in the shadows, waiting to ambush our poor Nintendo characters. [[SuperSmashBrothers [[VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Possibly all at once....]]
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[[WMG: Lubba is related to [[SpongeBobSquarePants Patrick Star]]]]
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[[WMG: Lubba is related to [[SpongeBobSquarePants [[WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants Patrick Star]]]]
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This is why he was [[PutOnABus absent]] in [[SuperMario3DLand Super Mario 3D Land]] and [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros2 New Super Mario Bros. 2]]. [[spoiler:After his defeat in the Boomsday Machine, he had fallen into the sun in the background, much like how Bowser did in [[SuperMarioGalaxy the first game.]]]] Worse, [[ParentalObliviousness Bowser didn't even notice this]] until a short time after his defeat. [[TheWoobie True or not, poor baby.]] Bowser Jr. [[BackFromTheDead returns]] in [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBrosU New Super Mario Bros. U]], because Bowser had used a cauldron to somehow, someway revive Jr.. [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros1 Talk about returning]] [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming the favor.]]]]
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This is why he was [[PutOnABus absent]] in [[SuperMario3DLand Super Mario 3D Land]] and [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros2 New Super Mario Bros. 2]]. [[spoiler:After his defeat in the Boomsday Machine, he had fallen into the sun in the background, much like how Bowser did in [[SuperMarioGalaxy [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy the first game.]]]] Worse, [[ParentalObliviousness Bowser didn't even notice this]] until a short time after his defeat. [[TheWoobie True or not, poor baby.]] Bowser Jr. [[BackFromTheDead returns]] in [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBrosU New Super Mario Bros. U]], because Bowser had used a cauldron to somehow, someway revive Jr.. [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros1 Talk about returning]] [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming the favor.]]]]
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Rosalina is really, really, really old, but kept looking youthful by her vast reserves of...Spiral Energy; she only appears to lack hot-bloodedness because she's overpowered and slightly lazy (compare: [[OrcusOnHisThrone Lordgenome On His Throne]] ) and she'd rather let Mario do the work. The Lumas are living beings that regularly explode into galaxies, which is exactly what the Anti-Spiral stated would occur during the Spiral Nemesis, and Mario's Luma gives him the ability to attack by spinning. Finally, the top of Rosalina's Observatory [[ThisIsADrill spins like a drill when it flies]], and [[BadassBoast THEIRS IS THE DRILL THAT CREATES THE HEAVENS!!]]
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Rosalina is really, really, really old, but kept looking youthful by her vast reserves of...Spiral Energy; she only appears to lack hot-bloodedness because she's overpowered and slightly lazy (compare: [[OrcusOnHisThrone Lordgenome On His Throne]] ) Throne]]) and she'd rather let Mario do the work. The Lumas are living beings that regularly explode into galaxies, which is exactly what the Anti-Spiral stated would occur during the Spiral Nemesis, and Mario's Luma gives him the ability to attack by spinning. Finally, the top of Rosalina's Observatory [[ThisIsADrill spins like a drill when it flies]], and [[BadassBoast THEIRS IS THE DRILL THAT CREATES THE HEAVENS!!]]
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Rosalina is really, really, really old, but kept looking youthful by her vast reserves of...Spiral Energy; she only appears to lack hot-bloodedness she's overpowered and slightly lazy (compare: [[OrcusOnHisThrone Lordgenome On His Throne]] and she'd rather let Mario do the work. The Lumas are living beings that regularly explode into galaxies, which is exactly what the Anti-Spiral stated would occur during the Spiral Nemesis, and Mario's Luma gives him the ability to attack by spinning. Finally, the top of Rosalina's Observatory [[ThisIsADrill spins like a drill when it flies]], and [[BadassBoast THEIRS IS THE DRILL THAT CREATES THE HEAVENS!!]]
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Rosalina is really, really, really old, but kept looking youthful by her vast reserves of...Spiral Energy; she only appears to lack hot-bloodedness because she's overpowered and slightly lazy (compare: [[OrcusOnHisThrone Lordgenome On His Throne]] ) and she'd rather let Mario do the work. The Lumas are living beings that regularly explode into galaxies, which is exactly what the Anti-Spiral stated would occur during the Spiral Nemesis, and Mario's Luma gives him the ability to attack by spinning. Finally, the top of Rosalina's Observatory [[ThisIsADrill spins like a drill when it flies]], and [[BadassBoast THEIRS IS THE DRILL THAT CREATES THE HEAVENS!!]]
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* [[SuperMarioBrosTheLostLevels It wouldn't be the first time.]]
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[[WMG: The Hell Valley Sky Trees are [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann The Anti-Spiral.]] ]]
And he/they are specifically observing Mario as a potential serious threat, given how he's shown repeated usage of Spiral Power abilities; increasing his body mass instantaneously (Super/Mega Mushrooms), altering his physical composition to give himself unnatural abilities (Fire Flowers, Ice Flowers, The Metal Cap), and at one point even being able to [[SuperPaperMario alter the dimensional orientation of space at will.]] Compare the two: [[http://i-beta.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/2/2/9/55229.jpg?v=1 Hell Valley Sky Trees]] and [[http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/14/55742.jpg The Anti-Spiral.]] Extrapolating from this:
[[WMG: Rosalina, and all her Lumas, are (or were) all [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Elite Spiral Warriors.]] ]]
And he/they are specifically observing Mario as a potential serious threat, given how he's shown repeated usage of Spiral Power abilities; increasing his body mass instantaneously (Super/Mega Mushrooms), altering his physical composition to give himself unnatural abilities (Fire Flowers, Ice Flowers, The Metal Cap), and at one point even being able to [[SuperPaperMario alter the dimensional orientation of space at will.]] Compare the two: [[http://i-beta.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/2/2/9/55229.jpg?v=1 Hell Valley Sky Trees]] and [[http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/14/55742.jpg The Anti-Spiral.]] Extrapolating from this:
[[WMG: Rosalina, and all her Lumas, are (or were) all [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Elite Spiral Warriors.]] ]]
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[[WMG: The Hell Valley Sky Trees are [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann The Anti-Spiral.]] ]]
And he/they are specifically observing Mario as a potential serious threat, given how he's shown repeated usage of Spiral Power abilities; increasing his body mass instantaneously (Super/Mega Mushrooms), altering his physical composition to give himself unnatural abilities (Fire Flowers, Ice Flowers, The Metal Cap), and at one point even being able to[[SuperPaperMario [[VideoGame/SuperPaperMario alter the dimensional orientation of space at will.]] Compare the two: [[http://i-beta.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/2/2/9/55229.jpg?v=1 Hell Valley Sky Trees]] and [[http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/14/55742.jpg The Anti-Spiral.]] Extrapolating from this:
[[WMG: Rosalina, and all her Lumas, are (or were) all[[TengenToppaGurrenLagann [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Elite Spiral Warriors.]] ]]
And he/they are specifically observing Mario as a potential serious threat, given how he's shown repeated usage of Spiral Power abilities; increasing his body mass instantaneously (Super/Mega Mushrooms), altering his physical composition to give himself unnatural abilities (Fire Flowers, Ice Flowers, The Metal Cap), and at one point even being able to
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This is why he was [[PutOnABus absent]] in [[SuperMario3DLand Super Mario 3D Land]] and [[NewSuperMarioBros2 New Super Mario Bros. 2]]. [[spoiler:After his defeat in the Boomsday Machine, he had fallen into the sun in the background, much like how Bowser did in [[SuperMarioGalaxy the first game.]]]] Worse, [[ParentalObliviousness Bowser didn't even notice this]] until a short time after his defeat. [[TheWoobie True or not, poor baby.]] Bowser Jr. [[BackFromTheDead returns]] in [[NewSuperMarioBrosU New Super Mario Bros. U]], because Bowser had used a cauldron to somehow, someway revive Jr.. [[spoiler: [[NewSuperMarioBros1 Talk about returning]] [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming the favor.]]]]
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This is why he was [[PutOnABus absent]] in [[SuperMario3DLand Super Mario 3D Land]] and [[NewSuperMarioBros2 [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros2 New Super Mario Bros. 2]]. [[spoiler:After his defeat in the Boomsday Machine, he had fallen into the sun in the background, much like how Bowser did in [[SuperMarioGalaxy the first game.]]]] Worse, [[ParentalObliviousness Bowser didn't even notice this]] until a short time after his defeat. [[TheWoobie True or not, poor baby.]] Bowser Jr. [[BackFromTheDead returns]] in [[NewSuperMarioBrosU [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBrosU New Super Mario Bros. U]], because Bowser had used a cauldron to somehow, someway revive Jr.. [[spoiler: [[NewSuperMarioBros1 [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros1 Talk about returning]] [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming the favor.]]]]
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[[WMG: The Hell Valley Sky Trees are [[MineCraft Endermen.]] ]]
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[[WMG: The Hell Valley Sky Trees are [[MineCraft [[VideoGame/MineCraft Endermen.]] ]]
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This is why he was [[PutOnABus absent]] in [[SuperMario3DLand Super Mario 3D Land]] and [[NewSuperMarioBros2 New Super Mario Bros. 2]]. [[spoiler:After his defeat in the Boomsday Machine, he had fallen into the sun in the background, much like how Bowser did in [[SuperMarioGalaxy the first game.]]]] Worse, [[ParentalObliviousness Bowser didn't even notice this]] until a short time after his defeat. [[TheWoobie True or not, poor baby.]] Bowser Jr. [[BackFromTheDead returns]] in [[NewSuperMarioBrosU New Super Mario Bros. U]], because Bowser had used a cauldron to somehow, someway revive Jr.. [[spoiler: [[NewSuperMarioBros1 Talk about returning]] [[HeartwarmingMoments the favor.]]]]
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This is why he was [[PutOnABus absent]] in [[SuperMario3DLand Super Mario 3D Land]] and [[NewSuperMarioBros2 New Super Mario Bros. 2]]. [[spoiler:After his defeat in the Boomsday Machine, he had fallen into the sun in the background, much like how Bowser did in [[SuperMarioGalaxy the first game.]]]] Worse, [[ParentalObliviousness Bowser didn't even notice this]] until a short time after his defeat. [[TheWoobie True or not, poor baby.]] Bowser Jr. [[BackFromTheDead returns]] in [[NewSuperMarioBrosU New Super Mario Bros. U]], because Bowser had used a cauldron to somehow, someway revive Jr.. [[spoiler: [[NewSuperMarioBros1 Talk about returning]] [[HeartwarmingMoments [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming the favor.]]]]
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[[WMG: Lubba is related to [[SpongeBobSquarePants Patrick Star]]]]
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[[WMG: Lubba is related to [[SpongeBobSquarePants Patrick Star]]]]Star]]]]
[[WMG: Bowser Jr. is dead.]]
This is why he was [[PutOnABus absent]] in [[SuperMario3DLand Super Mario 3D Land]] and [[NewSuperMarioBros2 New Super Mario Bros. 2]]. [[spoiler:After his defeat in the Boomsday Machine, he had fallen into the sun in the background, much like how Bowser did in [[SuperMarioGalaxy the first game.]]]] Worse, [[ParentalObliviousness Bowser didn't even notice this]] until a short time after his defeat. [[TheWoobie True or not, poor baby.]] Bowser Jr. [[BackFromTheDead returns]] in [[NewSuperMarioBrosU New Super Mario Bros. U]], because Bowser had used a cauldron to somehow, someway revive Jr.. [[spoiler: [[NewSuperMarioBros1 Talk about returning]] [[HeartwarmingMoments the favor.]]]]
[[WMG: Bowser Jr. is dead.]]
This is why he was [[PutOnABus absent]] in [[SuperMario3DLand Super Mario 3D Land]] and [[NewSuperMarioBros2 New Super Mario Bros. 2]]. [[spoiler:After his defeat in the Boomsday Machine, he had fallen into the sun in the background, much like how Bowser did in [[SuperMarioGalaxy the first game.]]]] Worse, [[ParentalObliviousness Bowser didn't even notice this]] until a short time after his defeat. [[TheWoobie True or not, poor baby.]] Bowser Jr. [[BackFromTheDead returns]] in [[NewSuperMarioBrosU New Super Mario Bros. U]], because Bowser had used a cauldron to somehow, someway revive Jr.. [[spoiler: [[NewSuperMarioBros1 Talk about returning]] [[HeartwarmingMoments the favor.]]]]
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[[WMG: This isn't the first time the Hell Valley Sky Trees have appeared, it's just the first time we've seen them]]
Seeing the Sky Trees was a fluke at best, an accident that one gamer made and noticed them before spreading the word. But they could have been MANY places before Freezeflame. In many games, lurking in the shadows, waiting to ambush our poor Nintendo characters. [[SuperSmashBrothers Possibly all at once....]]
Seeing the Sky Trees was a fluke at best, an accident that one gamer made and noticed them before spreading the word. But they could have been MANY places before Freezeflame. In many games, lurking in the shadows, waiting to ambush our poor Nintendo characters. [[SuperSmashBrothers Possibly all at once....]]
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To expand on the above theory, the two games are part of a ''Zelda''-esque Split Timeline. The GainaxEnding of Timeline A (''Galaxy'') sent Mario back in time to just before the Star Festival, which is where the continuity branched off into Timeline B (''Galaxy 2''). However, doing so [[RetGone removed Mario from Timeline A]][[hottip:*:A literal CosmicRetcon?]], thus preventing him from defeating Bowser-- to prevent a TemporalParadox, someone was sent to do it for him: Luigi. He was also sent back in time, but instead to a point early on in Timeline A, taking Mario's place (while keeping the previous Luigi where he was, which accounts for the two of them). While Luigi was (re-)collecting the Timeline A Stars, Mario went on his merry way, collecting all of the Timeline B Stars (and encountering Luigi-B and Toad Brigade-B, among others). The first game's Grand Finale Galaxy is the result of the timeline being fused back together.
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To expand on the above theory, the two games are part of a ''Zelda''-esque Split Timeline. The GainaxEnding of Timeline A (''Galaxy'') sent Mario back in time to just before the Star Festival, which is where the continuity branched off into Timeline B (''Galaxy 2''). However, doing so [[RetGone removed Mario from Timeline A]][[hottip:*:A A]][[note]]A literal CosmicRetcon?]], CosmicRetcon?[[/note]], thus preventing him from defeating Bowser-- to prevent a TemporalParadox, someone was sent to do it for him: Luigi. He was also sent back in time, but instead to a point early on in Timeline A, taking Mario's place (while keeping the previous Luigi where he was, which accounts for the two of them). While Luigi was (re-)collecting the Timeline A Stars, Mario went on his merry way, collecting all of the Timeline B Stars (and encountering Luigi-B and Toad Brigade-B, among others). The first game's Grand Finale Galaxy is the result of the timeline being fused back together.
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**That doesn't make much sense if you consider the events of Paper Mario: The Thousand Year door. Where the titular door was sealed for the titular amount of years.
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[[WMG: Lubba is related to [[SpongeBobSquarePants Patrick Star]]
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* Either that or she's outright immortal. That would also explain how she still looks like a young woman despite living through hundred year gaps like that.
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* Either that or she's outright immortal. That would also explain how she still looks like a young woman despite living through hundred year gaps like that.that.
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[[WMG: Lubba is related to [[SpongeBobSquarePants Patrick Star]]
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[[WMG: Only Mario, Lubba, Rosalina, Peach, and (maybe) Bowser remember the events of the first SuperMarioGalaxy]]
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At the end of the first ''Mario Galaxy'', Rosalina and her Lumas managed to save the universe, basically by creating a Big Crunch and rebuilding the entire thing from scratch. Mario and most of the characters he encountered in his quest are "reanimated" in a freshly-created Mushroom Kingdom, itself part of a grand, unified Galaxy. However, ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' can't be a direct sequel to this, since the Star Festival happens once in a hundred years, and Mario is still kicking around, not a day older. So, the game is set in an ''alternate universe'' concurrent with the events of the first game, to be "merged" into a single timeline following the events of the ''second'' game. In other words, yes, ''Super Mario freakin' Bros'' now has [[TheLegendOfZelda a split timeline theory.]]
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At the end of the first ''Mario Galaxy'', Rosalina and her Lumas managed to save the universe, basically by creating a Big Crunch and rebuilding the entire thing from scratch. Mario and most of the characters he encountered in his quest are "reanimated" in a freshly-created Mushroom Kingdom, itself part of a grand, unified Galaxy. However, ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' can't be a direct sequel to this, since the Star Festival happens once in a hundred years, and Mario is still kicking around, not a day older. So, the game is set in an ''alternate universe'' concurrent with the events of the first game, to be "merged" into a single timeline following the events of the ''second'' game. In other words, yes, ''Super Mario freakin' Bros'' now has [[TheLegendOfZelda [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda a split timeline theory.]]
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Rosalina is really, really, really old, but kept looking youthful by her vast reserves of...Spiral Energy; she only appears to lack hot-bloodedness she's overpowered and slightly lazy (compare: [[OrcusOnHisThrone Lordgenome On His Throne]] and she'd rather let Mario do the work. The Lumas are living beings that regularly explode into galaxies, which is exactly what the Anti-Spiral stated would occur during the Spiral Nemesis, and Mario's Luma gives him the ability to attack by spinning. Finally, the top of Rosalina's Observatory [[ThisIsADrill spins like a drill when it flies]], and [[BadassBoast THEIRS IS THE DRILL]] [[BeyondTheImpossible THAT CREATES THE HEAVENS!!]]
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Rosalina is really, really, really old, but kept looking youthful by her vast reserves of...Spiral Energy; she only appears to lack hot-bloodedness she's overpowered and slightly lazy (compare: [[OrcusOnHisThrone Lordgenome On His Throne]] and she'd rather let Mario do the work. The Lumas are living beings that regularly explode into galaxies, which is exactly what the Anti-Spiral stated would occur during the Spiral Nemesis, and Mario's Luma gives him the ability to attack by spinning. Finally, the top of Rosalina's Observatory [[ThisIsADrill spins like a drill when it flies]], and [[BadassBoast THEIRS IS THE DRILL]] [[BeyondTheImpossible DRILL THAT CREATES THE HEAVENS!!]]
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That's why Rosalina looks so young but is still able to survive the hundred year gap between visits to the Mushroom World. In the first game she says she always looks forward to passing by it, which indicates that she's survived enough time to pass it multiple times, making her multiple centuries old. And if Boos have taught us anything it shows that death isn't a permanent departure from the living. And it would explain her ability to float. Perhaps a diet consisting entirely of Star Bits can't sustain human life forever...
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That's why Rosalina looks so young but is still able to survive the hundred year gap between visits to the Mushroom World. In the first game she says she always looks forward to passing by it, which indicates that she's survived enough time to pass it multiple times, making her multiple centuries old. And if Boos have taught us anything it shows that death isn't a permanent departure from the living. And it would explain her ability to float. Perhaps a diet consisting entirely of Star Bits can't sustain human life forever...forever...
*Either that or she's outright immortal. That would also explain how she still looks like a young woman despite living through hundred year gaps like that.
*Either that or she's outright immortal. That would also explain how she still looks like a young woman despite living through hundred year gaps like that.
