Line #11 WMG/SuperMarioGalaxy2


1	[[WMG: The game's plot is ''not'' the result of {{negative continuity}}]]
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3	At the end of the first ''Mario Galaxy'', Rosalina and her Lumas managed to save the universe, basically by creating a Big Crunch and rebuilding the entire thing from scratch. Mario and most of the characters he encountered in his quest are "reanimated" in a freshly-created Mushroom Kingdom, itself part of a grand, unified Galaxy. However, ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' can't be a direct sequel to this, since the Star Festival happens once in a hundred years, and Mario is still kicking around, not a day older. So, the game is set in an ''alternate universe'' concurrent with the events of the first game, to be "merged" into a single timeline following the events of the ''second'' game. In other words, yes, ''Super Mario freakin' Bros'' now has [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda a split timeline theory.]]
4	* Maybe the "reanimation" reset the Mushroom Kingdom to a point in time before the Star Festival would normally occur... or the Star Festival is a multi-day event and ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' is set during the day after the first game.
5	** That means Bowser really managed to get his act together this time... ''two'' attempted galactic empires in ''one'' day? Dude doesn't mess around.
6	** The ending of Galaxy 1 shows the decorations from the festival as the camera pans around, so the festival is likely a multi-day event.
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8	[[WMG: Only Mario, Lubba, Rosalina, Peach, and (maybe) Bowser remember the events of the first VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy]]
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10	* Lubba wasn't in the first Galaxy, so how would he even know of the events in the first place? Also, how do ONLY those five characters remember the events of the first game? Any explanation?
11	** He's friends with Rosalina, so she probably told him.
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13	[[WMG: The first and second game are an AlternateContinuity to each other; the first half of ''Galaxy'' is now RetGone.]]
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15	To expand on the above theory, the two games are part of a ''Zelda''-esque Split Timeline. The GainaxEnding of Timeline A (''Galaxy'') sent Mario back in time to just before the Star Festival, which is where the continuity branched off into Timeline B (''Galaxy 2''). However, doing so [[RetGone removed Mario from Timeline A]][[note]]A literal CosmicRetcon?[[/note]], thus preventing him from defeating Bowser-- to prevent a TemporalParadox, someone was sent to do it for him: Luigi. He was also sent back in time, but instead to a point early on in Timeline A, taking Mario's place (while keeping the previous Luigi where he was, which accounts for the two of them). While Luigi was (re-)collecting the Timeline A Stars, Mario went on his merry way, collecting all of the Timeline B Stars (and encountering Luigi-B and Toad Brigade-B, among others). The first game's Grand Finale Galaxy is the result of the timeline being fused back together.
16	* To sum it up: ''Galaxy'' (Mario) = Ret Gone; ''Galaxy'' (Luigi) = Canon; ''Galaxy 2'' = Alternate Timeline, also Canon
17	** So ''that's'' why Luigi can meet himself in the first game! ''Brilliant!''
18	** If I understand correctly, The Luigi you play as in the first game is actually from the timeline after finishing the first game as Mario? This makes for some FridgeBrilliance. Plus explaining why you don't do the Star Festival part as Luigi. The developers of the game didn't want to spoil Mario suddenly "disappearing" as he goes over to the other timeline!
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20	[[WMG: The orange Luma that is controlled by player 2 is an [[Comicbook/GreenLantern Orange Lantern]]]]
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22	Think about it: the Luma glows bright orange, it can't be hurt, and it has an insatiable greed, allowing it to pick up any and every item and hold them indefinitely. Clearly the Luma is trying to fuel its greed and will eventually lead Mario to Larfleeze, where he will be turned into a corps member himself.
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24	[[WMG: The game is still a sequel to the first, but the NegativeContinuity is because nobody remembers the first game]]
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26	When the universe was rebuilt at the end of the first game, time was essentially reset, so this is one of the few in-universe [[JustifiedTrope justifications]] for NegativeContinuity.
27	* [[spoiler: Rosalina remembers, though.]]
28	** When you unlock Luigi in Super Mario Galaxy 2, he knows how to spin, and is much braver than the first game, suggesting the alternate continuity theory above.
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30	[[WMG: Super Mario Galaxy 2 is a retelling of Super Mario Galaxy.]]
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32	As shown by [[spoiler: the secret ending]], [[spoiler: Rosalina was the narrator all along]]. As it turns out, [[spoiler: she was reading to her Lumas from another storybook]]. This theory posits that the universe was NOT reset in the ending of Super Mario Galaxy, nor was an Alternate Timeline created, but that it was simply [[spoiler: Rosalina entertaining her "children" with a story]]. Supplements to this theory:
33	Supplement 1) This allows for the possibility that Super Mario Galaxy 2 is set far in the future, with [[spoiler:Rosalina telling the story of the now long-passed Mario & co. to a new generation of Lumas, including the reborn Luma he originally ''had the adventure with'']].
34	Supplement 2) Another possibility is that [[spoiler: Rosalina actually has Haruhi-level godlike powers, and in fact created another universe that follows her telling of the story]].
35	* Well, Rosalina ''is'' CrystalDragonJesus. The games are pretty unsubtle about that...
36	* During the same ending, though, we see that Luma still has Mario's hat, which he didn't have at the end of the first game. So it's more than just a retelling.
37	[[WMG: Whomp's Fortress is a painting of the Throwback Galaxy]]
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39	Someone had gone to the TBG before Mario and painted a picture of it. By leaping through the canvas in ''VideoGame/SuperMario64'', he was ''literally transported'' there, one of the few stages in the game that conspiciously are just a landmass floating in the middle of nowhere; that's why the pink Bob-Omb recognized him. Alternately, he was just in some sort of "painting world" separate from reality, explaining why the Whomp King says the same thing, line-by-line, in both games; the real [=McCoy=] hadn't met Mario yet.
40	* If we continue this line of reasoning further, there's a galaxy for ''every'' level in ''64''. If there's ever a ''Galaxy 3'', perhaps we could see Bob-omb Battlefield or ''the'' LethalLavaLand.
41	* Why is it called ''Throwback'' Galaxy, then? The whole point of the name was to emphasize that it was a throwback to a past level.
42	** Alternatively, not every level has a galaxy, but every level is based off of some location in the universe. Bob-omb Battlefield could easily be an actual location in the Mushroom Kingdom.
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44	[[WMG: The game is a direct sequel to the original, and it follows from the Grand Finale Galaxy of the previous game.]]
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46	Bowser just couldn't give a break for even 2 seconds.
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48	* [[VideoGame/SuperMarioBrosTheLostLevels It wouldn't be the first time.]]
49	* Honestly, taking over the universe must take a lot of hard work and planning to pull off. Plus, Bowser had to find the Starship Mario (back when it didn't have Mario's face) in order to take it's Power Stars and become giant. So this couldn't possibly work as an ImmediateSequel unless Bowser were some kind of god.
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51	[[WMG: In the end, Rosalina is introducing herself to Peach.]]
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53	Notice how Peach has ''[[FridgeBrilliance never actually met Rosalina before]]''.
54	* As well as announcing herself to the other [=NPCs=] on Starship Mario, who also probably haven't met her before.
55	* Unless you count ''VideoGame/MarioKartWii''.
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57	[[WMG: Rosalina, a [[VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiPartnersInTime disguised shroob princess]]]]
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59	The first notes in the [[spoiler:final boss music of ''Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time'']] shares the melody of the first few notes in the Storybook song (from the ''[[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy 1st]]'' game, but also appears in this game). So perhaps Rosalina is really [[spoiler:another shroob princess?]]
60	* The two games had different composers and were in development around the same time. It's merely a coincidence. Also, the storybook shows that she, as well as the rest of her family, are clearly human.
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62	[[WMG: Mario and co are immortal, and Galaxy 2 is simply 100 years after the first.]]
63	Or they're just very long-lived and age slowly, since Rosalina seems to have come from the same world as well and is at least several centuries old. All of Mario's adventures / Bowser's plots might have taken place over the course of hundreds, or even thousands of years, with many years in-between each one.
64	* Or the Mushroom Planet just has really short years. You know, that would explain a lot of the geography to an extent.
65	** That doesn't make much sense if you consider the events of Paper Mario: The Thousand Year door. Where the titular door was sealed for the titular amount of years.
66	* Well, most of the main characters are "Star Children", and how many crazy prophecies have Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser gotten themselves into that involved ultimate power, that they've each touched at least one of the artifacts, Bowser and Luigi even using them on themselves? Actually, come to think of it, it seems that Rosalina is immortal, or at last VERY slow aging, from simply being near power stars... Mario and co. have power stars permanently inside themselves.
67	* Supporting this are the VideoGame/MarioTennis and VideoGame/MarioGolf portable titles: There is a timeskip between the GBC and GBA games where most characters have noticeably aged, but Mario's group hasn't changed a day.
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69	[[WMG: How Luigi got up there.]]
70	Okay, this might be a little crazy, but think about it a bit. When you first meet Luigi, he says "I had to hustle to get up here" which means that he had a hard time. He has no mode of transportation with him. Very soon after, Lubba will mention "Your brother seems really proud of how high he can jump."
71	... You know what I'm thinking, don't you? That Luigi got there by jumping from planet to planet, galaxy to galaxy from the Mushroom Planet. It seems ridiculous, but Luigi has revealed on a few occasions that he jumps even higher than he normally shows, once even jumping high enough that a ton of dust is kicked from the ground and sucked after him because of the low air resistance.
72	* But when you actually play as him, he jumps only a little higher than Mario. How would he even know where Mario is? I'd imagine he got lost somewhere trying to find his bro, then the Toad Brigade found him and brought him back.
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74	[[WMG: The infinite flutter jump 'glitch' was put in on purpose.]]
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76	[[WMG: The Hell Valley Sky Trees are [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann The Anti-Spiral.]] ]]
77	And he/they are specifically observing Mario as a potential serious threat, given how he's shown repeated usage of Spiral Power abilities; increasing his body mass instantaneously (Super/Mega Mushrooms), altering his physical composition to give himself unnatural abilities (Fire Flowers, Ice Flowers, The Metal Cap), and at one point even being able to [[VideoGame/SuperPaperMario alter the dimensional orientation of space at will.]] Compare the two: [[http://i-beta.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/2/2/9/55229.jpg?v=1 Hell Valley Sky Trees]] and [[http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/14/55742.jpg The Anti-Spiral.]] Extrapolating from this:
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79	[[WMG: Rosalina, and all her Lumas, are (or were) all [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Elite Spiral Warriors.]] ]]
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81	Rosalina is really, really, really old, but kept looking youthful by her vast reserves of...Spiral Energy; she only appears to lack hot-bloodedness because she's overpowered and slightly lazy (compare: [[OrcusOnHisThrone Lordgenome On His Throne]]) and she'd rather let Mario do the work. The Lumas are living beings that regularly explode into galaxies, which is exactly what the Anti-Spiral stated would occur during the Spiral Nemesis, and Mario's Luma gives him the ability to attack by spinning. Finally, the top of Rosalina's Observatory [[ThisIsADrill spins like a drill when it flies]], and [[BadassBoast THEIRS IS THE DRILL THAT CREATES THE HEAVENS!!]]
82	* Tengen Toppa Comet Observatory? FUCK. YES.
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84	[[WMG: The Hell Valley Sky Trees are [[VideoGame/MineCraft Endermen.]] ]]
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86	They're black, humanoid creatures with blank eyes. [[https://minecraft.wiki/w/File:Enderman.png Look similar?]]
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88	[[WMG: This isn't the first time the Hell Valley Sky Trees have appeared, it's just the first time we've seen them]]
89	Seeing the Sky Trees was a fluke at best, an accident that one gamer made and noticed them before spreading the word. But they could have been MANY places before Freezeflame. In many games, lurking in the shadows, waiting to ambush our poor Nintendo characters. [[VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Possibly all at once....]]
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91	[[WMG: Rosalina is dead]]
92	That's why Rosalina looks so young but is still able to survive the hundred year gap between visits to the Mushroom World. In the first game she says she always looks forward to passing by it, which indicates that she's survived enough time to pass it multiple times, making her multiple centuries old. And if Boos have taught us anything it shows that death isn't a permanent departure from the living. And it would explain her ability to float. Perhaps a diet consisting entirely of Star Bits can't sustain human life forever...
93	* Either that or she's outright immortal. That would also explain how she still looks like a young woman despite living through hundred year gaps like that.
94	** It's implied that travelling at lightspeed or faster is what keeps her so young.
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96	[[WMG: Lubba is related to [[WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants Patrick Star]]]]
97	* Why do people keep making this comparison? The only similarities between the two of them are that they're chubby stars with deep voices who wear pants. Lubba may be a wisecracker, but he's still much more humble and down-to-Earth (ironically) than Patrick.
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99	[[WMG: Bowser Jr. is dead.]]
100	This is why he was [[PutOnABus absent]] in [[VideoGame/SuperMario3DLand Super Mario 3D Land]] and [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros2 New Super Mario Bros. 2]]. [[spoiler:After his defeat in the Boomsday Machine, he had fallen into the sun in the background, much like how Bowser did in [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy the first game.]]]] Worse, [[ParentalObliviousness Bowser didn't even notice this]] until a short time after his defeat. [[TheWoobie True or not, poor baby.]] Bowser Jr. [[BackFromTheDead returns]] in [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBrosU New Super Mario Bros. U]], because Bowser had used a cauldron to somehow, someway revive Jr.. [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros1 Talk about returning]] [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments the favor.]]]]
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102	[[WMG: The Bulb Berry warps time.]]
103	Think about it. Revealing platforms that don't physically exist? Shining light on paintings that otherwise appear to have rotted away? The Bulb Berry is warping objects' past forms to the present!
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105	For example, it lets you see inside the wrappers of candy bars in the [[LevelAte Sweet Mystery Galaxy]]. This can be explained as looking as the chocolate at a time before it had been packaged. And the other candy platforms that reveal themselves when you use the Bulb Berry had simply been eaten, or otherwise destroyed, before Mario got to the galaxy.
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107	This also explains the "light" motif; [[FridgeBrilliance because things become dusty when they get old]].
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109	[[WMG: It's not a sequel...It's a ''midquel!'']]
110	A much simpler alternative to all those "alternate universe" theories posted above...Here's how it goes:
111	* The Lumas recreate the universe after Bowser's black hole threatened to destroy it, sending everyone back to the day of the Star Festival at the start of the game. (Which becomes the festival seen at the start of the second game.) Rosalina departs in the observatory, unknowingly leaving the white Luma behind in the rusted starshroom.
112	* The white Luma eventually meets up with Lubba, but his starship is attacked by Bowser instead, causing Luma to fall down to the Mushroom World and reunite with Mario, who's on his way to the second game's Star Festival.
113	* Mario proceeds to go on the second game's adventure, and eventually rescues Peach and allows Luma to reunite with Rosalina. (Rosalina introduces herself at the end of the second game because Peach hasn't met her yet, but Mario, Luigi, Lubba, and the Toads all remember her from the first game.)
114	* (This is where the midquel part comes in.) Now that everyone is back together again, Mario and co. return to the Mushroom World for the ''third'' Star Festival, which is the one with the Purple Coins that gave you the original game's 121st star, thereby explaining how Mario could have Luma with him again despite the fact that he'd "just" sacrificed himself to destroy Bowser's black hole -- because there was a whole other game since then that we hadn't seen.
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116	[[WMG: ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' is an alternate universe from ''Super Mario Galaxy'']]
117	The gaming styles are are different, different power-ups, and Yoshi is in the worlds. The fact that Mario does not recognize Rosalina in the slightest by the end of ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' is the kicker, though.
118	* Not to mention that the Toad Brigade are actually useful (in one level, but the point stands).
119	* The Toad Brigade was only useful when the Captain was kidnapped. They need a change in leadership.
120	* This was actually confirmed by WordOfGod before release.
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122	[[WMG: ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' is [[spoiler:the new galaxy.]]]]
123	[[spoiler:Rosalina mentions at the end of ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy'' that, after the effective [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt destruction of the universe]], the stardust had re-formed to restore the galactic cycle, but she points out that "the cycle never repeats itself in quite the same way," ending with a rather ominous "So you'll see..."]] Given that ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy2'' will be half MissionPackSequel and half UpdatedRerelease, featuring some new galaxies as well as returning ones with new objectives, it's possible that these galaxies are simply the result of [[spoiler:the life cycle continuing in a somewhat different way, and the [[PunctuatedForEmphasis NHOOOOO GhAALACKSEEEE]] Mario's so excited to welcome will be the setting of the sequel.]]
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125	* All but confirmed by Miyamoto himself, who had [[http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2010/03/26/miyamoto-on-mario-galaxy-2-expanding-games-and-more.aspx said]] that "[Super Mario Galaxy 2] has been developed and designed so that those who have conquered the first game, Super Mario Galaxy 1, can feel as if it’s a continuation from the ending of that first game."
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127	[[WMG: The Shiverburn figures and the goal pole ghost from ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DLand'' have sympathetic backstories and they used to be actual humans before they died]]
128	They're ghostly humanoid figures, so of course they may be souls of dead humans. Here's how thier human forms might've died:
129	* The Shiverburn Figures: A group of three young men were mucking around in the Shiverburn Galaxy peaks, watching the sights and sounds of the galaxy. One day, they spyed on the boss of this galaxy and mocked it behind its back, but they didn't realise that [[spoiler: the boss was behind them and ran them over like a pancake, thus killing them and turning them into the Shiverburn figures we dreaded]].
130	* The Goal Pole Ghost: A young man is a huge fan of haunted places and loves to look at the ghost houses to prove everyone that ghosts are real, but then [[spoiler: as he reaches the goal pole and waits for 30 seconds, a large Boo comes out of nowhere and scares him. The man was so scared that [[BringMyBrownPants not only he releived himself in his pants]], but he got a heart attack and died, before he turned into a humanoid ghost. The ghost was screaming at Mario when he appeared because he was trying to communicate with him, but no one cared. Poor thing]]
131	* [[spoiler: If it wasn't for those tragic events, they would've still been human beings instead of creepy ghostly figures]]
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133	[[WMG: The Chimp is [[MilesGloriosus faking his high scores]].]]
134	We never see him tackle his own challenges on screen, nor does he directly challenge Mario like other rival characters in the 3D Mario series ([[VideoGame/SuperMario64 Koopa the Quick]], [[VideoGame/SuperMarioSunshine Il Piantissimo]], [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy Cosmic Mario, Spooky Speedster]], and the [[VideoGame/SuperMarioOdyssey Roving Racers]]). Isn't it rather suspicious that his so-called high scores are usually a very specific number with zeroes? The dude's either trying to get that specific score for whatever reason, or it's a straight up lie. Now sure, he did manage to give Captain Toad a hard time. But with how incompetent the captain is, it's not like anyone beating him in a challenge would be hard at all. There may be a few reasons for the Chimp to be faking his scores.
135	* He's too lazy after setting the challenges up and just wants to see others tackle them.
136	* He has an ego and wishes to bolster it without actually earning it.
137	* He's just bored and wants to be entertained.
138	* He's lonely and does this as a way to get attention.

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