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[[WMG: Sweat Pea is actually [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/Inception?from=Main.Inception Ariadne]] on her way out of limbo.]] A dream within a fantasy within a fantasy within a dream within a dream within a dream within a dream within a dream within a movieverse.

She's trapped in her own head at the moment, the lobotomy putting her in a comatose state in which she is, once more, creating fantasy worlds. She's slowly regaining her senses, retaking control of her own body, fighting imaginary battles on the road to recovery. And one day she'll be completely recovered and leave and take possession of her inheritance which she'll use to finance Gorski's work, helping disturbed girls all over the world. FixFic? ''Mais oui.''

Considering that Jena Malone (Rocket) played Gretchen Ross in ''Donnie Darko'' is in this movie, this doesn't seem unlikely.

* You could even say too that the mecha is a reference to Jamie Chung (Amber) having played Chi-Chi in the American [[DragonBallEvolution movie]].

* You could even say too that the mecha is a reference to Jamie Chung (Amber) having played Chi-Chi in the American [[DragonBallZ Dragonball movie]].

[[WMG: Sweat Pea is actually [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/Inception?from=Main.Inception Ariadne]] on her way out of limbo.]] A dream within a fantasy within a fantasy within a dream within a dream within a dream within a dream withing a dream within a movieverse.

[[WMG:The brothel is Sweet Pea's imagined control world, the warfare is Baby Doll's.]]

[[WMG:All of the burlesque club scenes are in Sweet Pea's head.]]

[[WMG:The brothel is Sweet Pea's imagined control world, the warfare is Baby Doll's.]]
In the club, Baby Doll doesn't have much more control than she does in the real world, she's still awaiting a horrible fate just a few days away. Further, the Club scenario initiates while Sweet Pea is undergoing treatment. In the club, though, for Sweet Pea [[spoiler: who's used to Blue's abuses which Baby Doll is ignorant of at the start of the movie, the shift from abused mental patient to showgirl is a measure of control]], further she asserts that she should have the authority to call the mission off when she sees fit. Baby Doll is consciously in the asylum the whole movie except when she's undergoing treatment, at which point she goes straight into the war scenarios.
* WordOfGod suggests that the war scenarios aren't Baby Doll's fantasy, but ours.
** Even deeper: The Asylum is real, The Brothel is Blue's fantasy, the Warzone is ours.

[[WMG:Sweet Pea and Baby Doll are actually the same person, and Brothel!World is the real world as seen ThroughTheEyesOfMadness.]]
In the beginning of the brothel sequences, "Baby" strips off her wig to reveal Sweet Pea playing her part. The rest of the movie is Sweet Pea coming to grips with her own insanity and figuring out how to escape. The asylum is only in Sweet Pea's head, and [[spoiler:Baby is her Tyler Durden-esque means of escape]].

[[WMG:All of the burlesque club scenes are in Sweet Pea's head.]]
Sweet Pea has the first line in the burlesque club. Likewise, it replays the events of Baby Doll's arrival. Add in the fact that the psychiatrist was treating Sweet Pea at the time and telling her that the mind can help her escape, this might have actually been Snyder's intent.

[[WMG:The Brothel isn't a hallucination, but the madhouse is.]]

Baby Doll was really an orphan sold by the father, the dead of her mother and sister was actually a play by Sweet Pea, as well as the lobotomy (which was also played by Sweet Pea. Do you see a pattern here?) the plot actually happens in the brothel and the bus scene happens in the reality as well. Baby Doll never had a lobotomy but lost her virginity to the High Roller. Sad thing is, she's stuck in a world where everyone she cared for is dead or away [[AndIMustScream with no way out]].
* I've actually seriously considered this as being true.

[[WMG:The Brothel is an alternate universe.]]
The Asylum and Brothel both exist separately but follow similar paths. A group of girls try to escape their predicaments acquiring a list of items to cause enough of a distraction so they can leave. While in the Brothel, Baby Doll uses the fantasy world to escape the experience of dancing for an audience, in the asylum perhaps she uses the fantasy world to escape being sedated as a distraction for the girls to get the items. While in the asylum, being lobotomized leaves her broken, gives her freedom and makes her undesirable to Blue, in the Brothel losing her virginity leaves her broken, and undesirable to Blue as his 'toy' is no longer new. What gives her the freedom there was apparently in a deleted scene where the High Roller actually offered her freedom when she would sleep with him.

[[WMG: Both fantasy worlds are Blue's fantasy depictions of the events in the asylum.]]
He's perverted to imagine himself as running a brothel, as well as coming up with insane fantasies whenever he observes whatever the "dance" was in the Asylum world.
* More broadly: The Fantasy Worlds are the perverted imaginations of the (male) asylum staff in full action.

[[WMG: The rabbit head painted on the huge steampunk mecha is a reference to [[DonnieDarko Frank]].]]
Considering that Jena Malone (Rocket) played Gretchen Ross in ''Donnie Darko'' is in this movie, this doesn't seem unlikely.
* Also, Babydoll is an orphan in the brothel reality, just like [[ASeriesOfUnfortunateEvents Emily Browning's role in another film]].
** Browning also plays crazy in ''The Univited'' too, where [[spoiler: her mother and sister are both dead due to Browning's character accidentally killing them in an attempt to kill her father ...]]
* And Vanessa Hudgens' (Blondie) outfit is very cowboy/Native American in style, which is interesting given Hudgens' Native American heritage.
* You could even say too that the mecha is a reference to Jamie Chung (Amber) having played Chi-Chi in the American [[DragonBallZ Dragonball movie]].

[[WMG:Artistic endeavors are a link between alternate, intertwined dimensions and every version of reality is equally valid.]]
In the beginning, the movie opens with a theatre that then warps into reality. Later, we see a stage on which Sweet Pea is performing. Later, in a hugely stressful event for Baby Doll, we get a shift into the brothel reality where Sweet Pea is performing on stage. (Possible sub-theory: The initial scene opens up both the asylum reality and the brothel reality, which, when they converge on the lobotomy scene, cause a jump between the two.) Music cues every jump to the action reality. This makes the scenes where they steal objects in the brothel reality make much more sense, as it isn't clear how Baby Doll would distract the guards and orderlies on the asylum level, since Gorski mentions that she didn't respond to anyone.

* This troper could've sworn he saw both Sweet Pea and Rocket in the opening sanitarium scene, but he could be misremembering.

[[WMG:[[ThisLoserIsYou Baby Doll is you]], and the whole movie is a commentary on the Hollywood blockbuster and the moviegoing experience in general.]]
Baby Doll escapes from her real life into an elaborate fantasy world, the same as you do when you step into a theater. Her fantasy world is populated with stock characters played with over-the-top hamminess who are thrown into epic action setpieces with only the most tangential connection to the overall plot, just like every big-budget tentpole movie in recent years. In the end, she emerges from the fantasy back into her horrible reality, none the richer for it and no closer to a solution for her problem, just like you do when the movie's over. And do we even need to get into the obvious parallels between actors and whores?
* No, [[YouBastard we're the audience]] that's making Baby Doll perform. At least that's what WordOfGod said.

[[WMG:The entire film, all three layers, is in the imagination of the mentor/bus driver.]]
All of the steampunk dreams are in Baby Doll's imagination, including the "Mentor" in each dream. However, the only person who meets the bus driver is Sweet Pea. He knows who she is and knows that she is running away, even though she has never met him before. The reason? She is fictional and he is real, and the entire move is his imagination, not Baby Doll's.
* Unlikely because, his character was never given anything as small as a noodle incident as a back story, nor was he given a name or a signifying characteristic like one would expect a "real world" person to maintain. He is a guardian angel and a mentor, that's all.
* The Wise Man is meant to be Babydoll's/Sweet Pea's guardian angel and also 'the voice of reason.'

[[WMG: All the characters were Baby Doll, parts of her psyche made manifest, as people she saw in the "theater".]]How about the idea everything was in her head and all the girls were aspects of Baby Doll's psyche, appearances based on people she saw in the asylum. So Sweet Pea is actually the "main character" she created, the fact she has a sister is because she projected her own situation onto the characters Sweet Pea and Rocket as a way to come to terms with her real sister's death. In the end the Sweet Pea that goes on the bus is the new representation of Baby Doll who has come to terms with her reality and decided to find paradise in her fantasy instead of fighting it. In an interview the actress actually commented on their characters standing for different things, such as Rocket is "Hope", Blondie is "Fear" etc. So hope dies and fear betrays her plans, she had to sacrifice herself physically, give in to the lobotomy, to find freedom. Also think about it, why would the psychiatrist not report deaths and murders but report a forged signature for a Lobotomy to the police. How likely is there there were that many girls in the asylum that were sane, heck more sane than the doctors and orderlies?

** A lot deeper actually. People SHOULD watch this for the story and who marketed this movies?! It's not an action movies!
* This is basically the whole point of the movie.

[[WMG:The plot of the movie is basically the girls' escape from the asylum ThroughTheEyesOfMadness.]]
As in, they are actually already insane when their escape starts and their awesome fights against zombie Nazis and mini-gun samurais are actually struggles against the asylum guards which their delirious minds perceive differently. The four items from the trailer are the clue: the map is obviously the blueprint of the asylum, the fire is needed to create a diversion, the knife is a weapon, the key opens doors. Not like anyone would watch this movie for the story, of course...

[[WMG: Both fantasy worlds are Blue's fantasy depictions of the events in the asylum.]]
He's perverted to imagine himself as running a brothel, as well as coming up with insane fantasies whenever he observes whatever the "dance" was in the Asylum world.

* More broadly: The Fantasy Worlds are the perverted imaginations of the (male) asylum staff in full action.

* This is basically the whole point of the movie!

[[WMG: Baby Doll is a descendant of [[ThreeHundred Dilios]].]]
Both have vivid, out of this world imaginations, and like to imagine themselves as kickass warriors with [[InASingleBound mad jumping skills.]] And apparently they [[AdrenalineTime both think in slow-motion.]]

[[WMG: Sweat Pea is actually [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/Inception?from=Main.Inception Ariadne]] on her way out of limbo.]] A dream within a fantasy within a fantasy within a dream within a dream within a dream within a dream withing a dream within a movieverse.

[[WMG:The whole movie is Sweet Pea's warped memory of events.]]
Which explains the Wise Man/Bus Driver and the boy in the trench/on the bus. These are people from the end of the escape, and her mind imposed them back on the earlier details.
This may still be reconcilable with the "Fantasy!World is our fantasy" concept ... it would mean that the viewer is having an ImagineSpot in the middle of Sweet Pea's ThroughTheEyesOfMadness / ImagineSpot recollections.
* And also, it explains the "Theater" scene, where Sweet Pea projects herself to Baby Doll. Baby Doll could be a real person, but Sweet Pea project her as a protagonist character, until the garage scene where Baby Doll discover that she was not the real one to be saved.
** This also means that the final scene is the first scene, and all the movie is a mental retelling of the previous events, including two hallucinatory levels created by Sweet Pea. Hinted by the same voiceover.
** This is probably the most likely scenario. It explains why Babydoll doesn't speak in the beginning or even has a name; because Sweet Pea wouldn't know any of that, especially if Babydoll was catatonic like Dr. Gorski said. Sweet Pea sees Babydoll as her 'guardian angel,' per the opening monologue, and makes up a fantastic story in her mind to explain how and why she could be saved by a complete stranger.
** Also, final scene with Babydoll could be also hallucinatory. Hinted by the lack of lobotomy's scars on Baby Doll in the last image.
*** Transorbital lobotimies don't always leave marks/bruises/scars, though.

[[WMG:The Club is Sweet Pea's imagined control world, the warfare is Baby Doll's.]]

[[WMG:Sweet Pea and Baby Doll are actually the same person, and Brothel!World is the real world as seen ThroughTheEyesOfMadness.]]
In the beginning of the brothel sequences, "Baby" strips off her wig to reveal Sweet Pea playing her part. The rest of the movie is Sweet Pea coming to grips with her own insanity and figuring out how to escape. The asylum is only in Sweet Pea's head, and [[spoiler:Baby is her Tyler Durden-esque means of escape]].

[[WMG:All of the burlesque club scenes are in Sweet Pea's head.]]
Sweet Pea has the first line in the burlesque club. Likewise, it replays the events of Baby Doll's arrival. Add in the fact that the psychiatrist was treating Sweet Pea at the time and telling her that the mind can help her escape, this might have actually been Snyder's intent.

The words from Blue as he is dragged away are “You don't want me, its [[ExactWords your father]] you want!” Which means he is addressing Baby Doll, not the people dragging him away, but why would he believe she could change the outcome? Because she can and he knows it.
When she accidentally shoots her sister, it is so stressful that she warps reality a bit. She realizes at some point that, like with her sister being shot by the gun, many [[RealityWarpingIsNotAToy innocents could be killed ]] by her ability to warp reality, so she decides to render her ability to logically think void via allowing the lobotomy to happen. But she can't just leave the others there. The Wise Man is the detached part of her rational mind manifesting to direct events to her goal. Since Sweet Pea deserves to be free and has no outstanding mental issues and somewhere to go home to, a life worth living without warping reality, Sweet Pea escaping becomes the other focus (along with Blue getting his punishment and the step father's crimes being exposed.) Baby Doll also avoids AGodAmI this way. The elaborate reality shifts both represent how hard it is to consciously direct that power, and allow the things they need to be acquired. Baby Doll has to empty her minds of thoughts to use the ability safely, and focus on the goal rather then how to accomplish it, allowing her imagination to create the rest. The three golums from the first action sequence represent her fear of using the knife (pole-arm) her fear of misusing the gun (mini-gun) and the fear of her anger controlling her (sword). The German zombies are lingering fear of both the orderly's and being dead while still moving (like after the Lobotomy). The Dragon is the terrible power of the fire getting out of control and killing innocents. The bomb is her fear of failure costing others their lives (which is so powerful that without the mnemonic of the music to empty her mind of stray thoughts, it goes off.)

[[WMG:The Brothel isn't a hallucination.]]

It's an alternate universe. The Asylum and Brothel both exist separately but follow similar paths. A group of girls try to escape their predicaments acquiring a list of items to cause enough of a distraction so they can leave. While in the Brothel, Baby Doll uses the fantasy world to escape the experience of dancing for an audience, in the asylum perhaps she uses the fantasy world to escape being sedated as a distraction for the girls to get the items. While in the asylum, being lobotomized leaves her broken, gives her freedom and makes her undesirable to Blue, in the Brothel losing her virginity leaves her broken, and undesirable to Blue as his 'toy' is no longer new. What gives her the freedom there was apparently in a deleted scene where the High Roller actually offered her freedom when she would sleep with him.

[[WMG:The Brothel isn't a hallucination, but the madhouse is.]]

Baby Doll was really an orphan sold by the father, the dead of her mother and sister was actually a play by Sweet Pea, as well as the lobotomy (which was also played by Sweet Pea. Do you see a pattern here?) the plot actually happens in the brothel and the bus scene happens in the reality as well. Baby Doll never had a lobotomy but lost her virginity to the High Roller. Sad thing is, she's stuck in a world where everyone she cared for is dead or away [[AndIMustScream with no way out]].
* I've actually seriously considered this as being true.

In the club, Baby Doll doesn't have much more control than she does in the real world, she's still awaiting a horrible fate just a few days away. Further, the Club scenario initiates while Sweet Pea is undergoing treatment. In the Club, though, for Sweet Pea [[spoiler: who's used to Blue's abuses which Baby Doll is ignorant of at the start of the movie, the shift from abused mental patient to showgirl is a measure of control]], further she asserts that she should have the authority to call the mission off when she sees fit. Baby Doll is consciously in the asylum the whole movie except when she's undergoing treatment, at which point she goes straight into the war scenarios.

As in, they are actually already insane when their escape starts and their awesome fights against zombie nazis and minigun samurais are actually struggles against the asylum guards which their delirious minds perceive differently. The four items from the trailer are the clue: the map is obviously the blueprint of the asylum, the fire is needed to create a diversion, the knife is a weapon, the key opens doors. Not like anyone would watch this movie for the story, of course...

[[WMG:The Brothel isn't a hallucination].]

[[WMG:The Club is Sweet Pea's imagined control world, the warfare is Baby Doll's]]

[[WMG:The plot of the movie is basically the girls' escape from the asylum ThroughTheEyesOfMadness]]

[[WMG: The rabbit head painted on the huge steampunk mecha is a reference to [[DonnieDarko Frank.]]]]

[[WMG: This movie is strongly influenced by Gnostic themes]]

[[WMG: Both fantasy worlds are Blue's fantasy depictions of the events in the asylum]]

[[WMG: Baby Doll is a descendant of [[ThreeHundred Dilios]]]]

[[WMG: Sweet Pea and Rocket are two sides of a split personality]]

[[WMG:Sweet Pea and Baby Doll are actually the same person, and Brothel!World is the real world as seen ThroughTheEyesOfMadness]].

[[WMG:[[ThisLoserIsYou Baby Doll is you]], and the whole movie is a commentary on the Hollywood blockbuster and the moviegoing experience in general]]

[[WMG:All of the burlesque club scenes are in Sweet Pea's head]]

[[WMG: All the characters were Baby Doll, parts of her psyche made manifest, as people she saw in the "theater" ]]How about the idea everything was in her head and all the girls were aspects of Baby Doll's psyche, appearances based on people she saw in the asylum. So Sweet Pea is actually the "main character" she created, the fact she has a sister is because she projected her own situation onto the characters Sweet Pea and Rocket as a way to come to terms with her real sister's death. In the end the Sweet Pea that goes on the bus is the new representation of Baby Doll who has come to terms with her reality and decided to find paradise in her fantasy instead of fighting it. In an interview the actress actually commented on their characters standing for different things, such as Rocket is "Hope", Blondie is "Fear" etc. So hope dies and fear betrays her plans, she had to sacrifice herself physically, give in to the lobotomy, to find freedom. Also think about it, why would the psychiatrist not report deaths and murders but report a forged signature for a Lobotomy to the police. How likely is there there were that many girls in the asylum that were sane, heck more sane than the doctors and orderlies?

[[WMG: Baby Doll is a RealityWarper. ]]

When she accidentally shoots her sister, it is so stressful that she warps reality a bit. She realizes at some point that, like with her sister being shot by the gun, many [[RealityWarpingIsNotAToy innocents could be killed ]] by her ability to warp reality, so she decides to render her ability to logically think void via allowing the lobotomy to happen. But she can't just leave the others there. The Wise Man is the detached part of her rational mind manifesting to direct events to her goal. Since Sweet Pea deserves to be free and has no outstanding mental issues and somewhere to go home to, a life worth living without warping reality, Sweet Pea escaping becomes the other focus (along with Blue getting his punishment and the step father's crimes being exposed.)Baby Doll also avoids AGodAmI this way. The elaborate reality shifts both represent how hard it is to consciously direct that power, and allow the things they need to be acquired. Baby Doll has to empty her minds of thoughts to use the ability safely, and focus on the goal rather then how to accomplish it, allowing her imagination to create the rest. The three golums from the first action sequence represent her fear of using the knife (pole-arm) her fear of misusing the gun (mini-gun) and the fear of her anger controlling her (sword). The German zombies are lingering fear of both the orderly's and being dead while still moving (like after the Lobotomy). The Dragon is the terrible power of the fire getting out of control and killing innocents. The bomb is her fear of failure costing others their lives (which is so powerful that without the mnemonic of the music to empty her mind of stray thoughts, it goes off.)

[[WMG:Baby Doll's friends only play this part in her fantasy]]

Rocket, Amber and Blondie are only seen in the background on the Asylum. The fact that Madam Gorski never mentions anything about their deaths (or even their characters) and that three girls who show no actual reason to escape join her (only Sweet Pea is given a reason - and she's also the only one who realistically doubts Baby Doll plan), made this troper think Baby Doll, friendless and in an hostile environement, made up a world where she has a reason to escape - new friends who like her. That's why those three are killed: even if she escaped, she wouldn't have their companionship because it wasn't true.

[[WMG:The Brothel isn't a hallucination]]

[[WMG:The Brothel isn't a hallucination, but the madhouse is]]

[[WMG:Artistic endeavors are a link between alternate, intertwined dimensions and every version of reality is equally valid]]

[[WMG:Sweet Pea is an ancestor of [[ScottPilgrimVersusTheWorld Scott Pilgrim]]]]

Adorable, spunky, slightly girly badass begats adorable, spunky... yeah, you see where I'm going with this...

[[WMG:The whole movie is Sweet Pea's warped memory of events]]

[[WMG:The entire film, all three layers, is in the imagination of the mentor/bus driver]]

* Unlikely because, his character was never given anything as small as a noodle incident as a back story, nor was he given a name or a signifying characteristic like one would expect a "real world" person to maintain. he is a guardian angel and a mentor, that's all.

[[WMG: The Mentor/Bus Driver is actually Baby Doll's Grandfather]]

** Well, the doc does mention her helping Sweet Pea escape, but the rest seems spot-on

** Browning also plays crazy in ''The Univited'' too, where [[spoiler: where her mother and sister are both dead due to Browning's character accidentally killing them in an attempt to kill her father ...]]

** She also plays crazy in ''The Univited'' too, where [[spoiler: her mother is dead and she accidentally killed her sister ...]]

Considering that Jena Malone (Rocket) played Gretchen Ross in ''Donnie Darko'' is in this movie, this dosen't seem unlikely.

** She also plays crazy in ''The Univited'' too, where[[spoiler: her mother is dead and she accidentally killed her sister ...]]

* You could even say too that the mecha is a reference to [[DragonballZ]], given that Jamie Chung (Amber) played Chi-Chi in the American Dragonball movie.

** She also plays crazy in [[TheUnivited]] too, where[[spoiler: her mother is dead and she accidentally killed her sister ...]]

* You could even say too that the mecha is a reference to [[DragonBallZ]], given that Jamie Chung (Amber) played Chi-Chi in the American Dragonball movie.