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[[WMG: Bay is under some form of compulsion giving her an [[HeroesWantRedheads obsessive attraction to redheads]].]]

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* Bay wishing she could date Robyn as Brad pretty much sums up their whole relationship during the fanfics with Honey providing a strong hint of SettledForGay and HasTwoMommies later on.

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* Bay wishing she could date Robyn as Brad pretty much sums up their whole relationship during the fanfics with Honey providing a strong hint of SettledForGay and HasTwoMommies later on.
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She's supposedly kept around to [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar make coffee]]... yeah, right.

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She's supposedly kept around to [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar make coffee]]...coffee... yeah, right.
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* In an [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2006-10-24.jpg early comic]], Bay mentions to Turt that Honey doesn't know, but all this means is that she never told her and has no reason to think that she knows. It's very unlikely that Honey went through eighteen years without finding out or at least suspecting, unless this is a case of PlotInducedStupidity. Given what Bay has been [[GoingNative going through]] recently, if Honey actually doesn't know she will soon enough. [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming Though, it would be so much sweeter if she has in fact known all along, and tells her mother so as she's confessing the truth to her daughter.]]

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* In an [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2006-10-24.jpg early comic]], Bay mentions to Turt that Honey doesn't know, but all this means is that she never told her and has no reason to think that she knows. It's very unlikely that Honey went through eighteen years without finding out or at least suspecting, unless this is a case of PlotInducedStupidity. Given what Bay has been [[GoingNative going through]] recently, if Honey actually doesn't know she will soon enough. [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments Though, it would be so much sweeter if she has in fact known all along, and tells her mother so as she's confessing the truth to her daughter.]]

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*** Later comics imply that Ethan's older brother Mathew is Honey's father. Ethan and Honey share DNA and he's queried Crystal on her resemblance to Bay.

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*** Later comics imply that Ethan's older brother Mathew is Honey's father. Ethan and Honey look very similar, share DNA and he's Mathew has queried Crystal on about her resemblance to Bay.
Bay. But there is no indication that he knowingly participated in the plot to get Bay pregnant



[[WMG: Ethan's older brother Matthew is Honey's father.]]
Ethan and Honey share a StrongFamilyResemblence (they're practically identical when Honey is wearing Ethan's glasses) and DNA. Matthew has queried Crystal about her resemblance to Bay. But there is no indication that he knowingly participated in the plot to get Bay pregnant




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**** It's entirely possible that the alternate version of Bay that is Honey's real mother never was Brad. Given that most of the alternate versions of Bay we've seen are female, it might even be likely.
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*** Later comics imply that Ethan's older brother Mathew is Honey's father. Ethan and Honey share DNA and he's queried Crystal on her resemblance to Bay.

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*** It's eventually revealed that Bay feared getting Brady and Honey together would trigger a deadly paradox, which irks Honey to no end because Ams and Teri have been running around together for quite a while now without any ill affects. Bay simply failed to consider that because a) she's a ditz and b) her brain was likely paralyzed by the terror of something horrible happening to her girls.



f) All of the above were jossed when Crystal was revealed to be the clone of a siren accidentally created at the helix center.




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** Since all of the explanation of Brady and Honey's origin came in the form of exposition between the producers while Bay wasn't present it's entirely possible that Bay may never know the exact timing of her pregnancy.




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** Jossed. Honey shares too may Chromosomes with Ethan, and there are strong hints that Honey's father is his older brother.




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**Agan, jossed by the revelation of Honey's relationship to Ethan
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** To the above Troper: You're most likely correct, given that there's also a (possibly canon) bonus / donation comic where ''another'' Honey comes to the present from yet another alternate future. Also, CD Rudd hasn't exactly been well known for storylines in the past... what you see is what you get, and the [[ViewersAreMorons most obvious answer is almost always the right one]]. I just don't like how smoothed over and little is thought of the apparent fact that Bay was ''date-raped'', and have looked for as many inconsistencies and plot-holes with that theory as possible (this WMG).

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** To the above Troper: You're most likely correct, given that there's also a (possibly canon) bonus / donation comic where ''another'' Honey comes to the present from yet another alternate future. Also, CD Rudd hasn't exactly been well known for storylines in the past... what you see is what you get, and the [[ViewersAreMorons most obvious answer is almost always the right one]].one. I just don't like how smoothed over and little is thought of the apparent fact that Bay was ''date-raped'', and have looked for as many inconsistencies and plot-holes with that theory as possible (this WMG).
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Since in fiction, amnesia caused by a blow to the head is often [[WallBanger cured by another]], don't be surprised if this happens to Bay near the end of the storyline ''just'' as Honey and / or others are about to figure out the truth, [[ResetButton resetting the status quo to what it was just before her first accident at the ranch]]. Bonus points if she doesn't remember any of the time she recently spent as 'Brad' either.

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Since in fiction, amnesia caused by a blow to the head is often [[WallBanger cured by another]], another, don't be surprised if this happens to Bay near the end of the storyline ''just'' as Honey and / or others are about to figure out the truth, [[ResetButton resetting the status quo to what it was just before her first accident at the ranch]]. Bonus points if she doesn't remember any of the time she recently spent as 'Brad' either.
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*** Oh my God... and Crystal has pink hair! That makes her [[SailorMoon Chibi Usa!]]

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*** Oh my God... and Crystal has pink hair! That makes her [[SailorMoon [[Franchise/SailorMoon Chibi Usa!]]

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* Berry has since been shown to be a blonde alternate future Bay who was stranded in our timeline when she cut off the Timey-Wimey loops at the source. She still could be Crystal's mother.

e) Crystal could be the future daughter of Bay's identical twin sister Heather.




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** Technically Honey and Brady are the same child snatched from two different alternate futures



[[WMG: Berry (the alternate blond version of Bay living in Ottawa) is also from the future and was sent back to SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong.]]

[[WMG: Berry is actually possessing the alternate blond version of Bay living in Ottawa.]]
Berry possessed Bay in the original fanfic. She ReallyGetsAround (note how fast she got Travis into bed) and was responsible for Bay's pregnancy in the original story.


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[[WMG: Berry (the alternate blond version of Bay living in Ottawa) is also from the future and was sent back to SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong.]]
** Proven , though Berry wasn't sent back so much as she is an alternate future version of Bay that solved the timey-whimey ball problem by cutting off all of the alternate time loops at the source, marooning herself in the present and preventing Bay from becoming her in the future.


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[[WMG: Berry is actually possessing the alternate blond version of Bay living in Ottawa.]]
Berry possessed Bay in the original fanfic. She ReallyGetsAround (note how fast she got Travis into bed) and was responsible for Bay's pregnancy in the original story.
**Berry is an alternate future Bay who gradually diverged from Bay over multiple time loops then got stuck in the past when she cut off the loops at the source.

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[[WMG: Crystal is the daughter of Berry, the blond version of Bay living in Ottawa]]

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[[WMG: d) Crystal is the future daughter of Berry, the blond version of Bay living in Ottawa]]
Ottawa. Thanks to the events of Timey-Wimey, Bay is now blonde. In the original Fanfic, Bay got pregnant because she was possessed by a very promiscuous Youma named Berry. It sure didn't take her long to jump Travis' bones. Maybe blonde Bay decided to give it up as a bad job and go home. Or perhaps she's still trying to SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong and got side tracked.


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[[WMG: Bay has missed the time window for turning back into Brad.]]
Note that every single alternate version of Bay in the Timey-Wimey story is female.


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** Don't be so quick to assume it was rape. There's a huge difference between someone deliberately getting someone else intoxicated in order to take advantage of them (which clearly is rape) and two someones getting intoxicated enough to do something they may regret later (which just as clearly is not). Either scenario is possible from the evidence presented thus far as well as a whole range of possibilities in between.

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** Crystal might react similarly if Bay was her grandmother.



[[WMG: Crystal is the daughter of ''Alternate'' Bay, (i.e. the blond version of Bay living in Ottawa)]]

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[[WMG: Crystal is the daughter of ''Alternate'' Bay, (i.e. Berry, the blond version of Bay living in Ottawa)]]
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[[WMG: Berry is actually possessing the alternate blond version of Bay living in Ottawa.]]
Berry possessed Bay in the original fanfic. She ReallyGetsAround (note how fast she got Travis into bed) and was responsible for Bay's pregnancy in the original story.

[[WMG: The Auction Guy actually is Honey's father.]]
Both he and Bay were too drunk to remember hooking up, but not so drunk that they didn't conceive a subconscious attraction to each other (as well as a child.)




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**[[http://sailorsun.org/?p=1973 This comic]] pretty much proves that Chris and Doug did indeed get Bay drunk hoping that she would get pregnant, so that much of it is true, though it's still not likely Chris did the deed himself.
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[[WMG: The alternate blond version of Bay living in Ottawa is also from the future, sent back to SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong.]]

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[[WMG: Crystal is the daughter of ''Alternate'' Bay, (i.e. the blond version of Bay living in Ottawa)]]



[[WMG: Bay's amnesia will be cured by being hit in the head a second time.]]
Since in fiction, amnesia caused by a blow to the head is often [[WallBanger cured by another]], don't be surprised if this happens to Bay near the end of the storyline ''just'' as Honey and / or others are about to figure out the truth, [[ResetButton resetting the status quo to what it was just before her first accident at the ranch]]. Bonus points if she doesn't remember any of the time she recently spent as 'Brad' either.




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*Looking less and less likely at the moment now that CD is back from Afghanistan.

[[WMG: The alternate blond version of Bay living in Ottawa is also from the future, sent back to SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong.]]



* [[WMG: Bay's mother and grandfather are dead, or have disowned her.]]

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* [[WMG: Bay's mother and grandfather are dead, or have disowned her.]]


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Since in fiction, amnesia caused by a blow to the head is often [[WallBanger cured by another]], don't be surprised if this happens to Bay near the end of the storyline ''just'' as Honey and / or others are about to figure out the truth, [[ResetButton resetting the status quo to what it was just before her first accident at the ranch]]. Bonus points if she doesn't remember any of the time she recently spent as 'Brad' either.
* Bay's amnesia appears to have been cured by the shock of discovering her grandfather's grave.
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*** Oh my God... and Crystal has pink hair! That makes her [[SailorMoon Chibi Usa!]]

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[[WMG: Bay's mother and grandfather are dead, or have disowned her.]]
Either reason would explain why Bay wasn't able to contact them over the phone. In the latter case, it would add another reason as to why Bay wanted to be changed back.


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*[[WMG: Bay's mother and grandfather are dead, or have disowned her.]]
Either reason would explain why Bay wasn't able to contact them over the phone. In the latter case, it would add another reason as to why Bay wanted to be changed back.
**Bay's grandfather is dead, but her mother is not. She closed the old store after Bay's Grandfather died and and opened a new one at the airport, leading to the scene where Honey gets a map from her own grandmother without either realizing who the other was, lending credence to the theory that Honey knows no other family besides Bay.
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[[WMG: Neko is CD's girlfriend.]]
She's supposedly kept around to [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar make coffee]]... yeah, right.
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[[WMG: [[DeadFic The story will never complete]].]]
The comic has all but come to a grinding halt, and is at the SeriesHiatus phase of the DeadFic scale, verging on the vague assurances of not giving up.
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[=SailorSun.com=] might have had more stories with Bay, Honey and Brady in the [=SailorSun.org=] universe albeit ones that may never be seen. This could explain many things without [[{{Retcon}} Retcons]] and synch with the FanFic. Though there are still a few gaps to be filled, although some plausible explanations.
* Bay was 15-16 when Brady was born in the fan fics, a four-five-year-old [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2008-03-03.png "here".]] could still possibly be called "less than half Honey's age" in the Helices storyline. [Stretching it, I know...]
** Another potential sign is Brady's maturity level which seems to be that of a pre/kindergartener. [To me...]
* Even though Honey isn't seen during the flashback with Brady going to live with Heather it's possible she was there. It could just be that she was never mentioned. Although Bay does get freaked out being called "Mom" in Honey's arrival scene it could be explained away by the idea that she only worked with Honey on set and may not have realized what the producers had done.
** Bay was probably only freaked because an ''eighteen year old girl'' kept calling her Mom, given that she's only 20 herself.
* While Honey isn't mentioned in Teri's flashback, she was there before Bay was pregnant in the fan fics, but then why would it be different?
** And Bay has never denied that she is Honey's mother.

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[=SailorSun.com=] might have had more stories with Bay, Honey and Brady in the [=SailorSun.org=] universe albeit ones that may never be seen. This could explain many things without [[{{Retcon}} Retcons]] and synch with the FanFic. Though there are still a few gaps to be filled, although some plausible explanations.
* Bay *Bay was 15-16 when Brady was born in the fan fics, a four-five-year-old [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2008-03-03.png "here".]] could still possibly be called "less than half Honey's age" in the Helices storyline. [Stretching it, I know...]
** Another **Another potential sign is Brady's maturity level which seems to be that of a pre/kindergartener. [To me...]
* Even *Even though Honey isn't seen during the flashback with Brady going to live with Heather it's possible she was there. It could just be that she was never mentioned. Although Bay does get freaked out being called "Mom" in Honey's arrival scene it could be explained away by the idea that she only worked with Honey on set and may not have realized what the producers had done.
** Bay **Bay was probably only freaked because an ''eighteen year old girl'' kept calling her Mom, given that she's only 20 herself.
* While *While Honey isn't mentioned in Teri's flashback, she was there before Bay was pregnant in the fan fics, but then why would it be different?
** And **And Bay has never denied that she is Honey's mother.



* Actually, Time never lined up properly within the original fanfic itself, which could be explained by the LiteraryAgentHypothesis.

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* Actually, *Actually, Time never lined up properly within the original fanfic itself, which could be explained by the LiteraryAgentHypothesis.



Face it, aside from a few hangups Bay loves being who she is and certainly doesn't act like someone who is "trapped". At some point in the future, she will be faced with a very limited-time, one-shot decision about whether to be changed back or to stay. It will be made clear to her that it is her ''only'' chance, meaning that it will be permanent and she will never get another. However, after much soul searching her feelings and love for her daughter(s) and the Auction Guy would be the turning point, being too great to risk for anything.

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Face it, aside from a few hangups Bay loves being who she is and certainly doesn't act like someone who is "trapped". At some point in the future, she will be faced with a very limited-time, one-shot decision about whether to be changed back or to stay. stay. It will be made clear to her that it is her ''only'' chance, meaning that it will be permanent and she will never get another. another. However, after much soul searching her feelings and love for her daughter(s) and the Auction Guy would be the turning point, being too great to risk for anything.



** No kidding. Just check out Bay's reaction when she learned Honey was talking to the Auction Guy back when she believed he'd deliberately gotten her drunk for immoral purposes. Pure, undiluted MOM!

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** No kidding. Just check out Bay's reaction when she learned Honey was talking to the Auction Guy back when she believed he'd deliberately gotten her drunk for immoral purposes. purposes. Pure, undiluted MOM!



** It would also end up being a subversion of common GenderBender clichés though. By the looks of it, Bay is already pretty close to fully 'giving in'. Either way, this would probably not happen for a long while.
* With Bay's [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2009-12-21.png recent behavior over a kiss]], it seems more likely that she has never had a child and that Brady / Honey is yet to be born, given that both Brady and Honey are (supposedly) from the future. The deck is pretty much stacked against Bay ever 'going back', but eventually she won't want to.
** [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2010-01-01.png This comic]] only raises even more questions about nearly ''everything'' up to this point. It's too early to label anything as concrete, though, but it looks as if most of the [=WMGs=] have been suddenly and immediately disproved.

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** It would also end up being a subversion of common GenderBender clichés though. By the looks of it, Bay is already pretty close to fully 'giving in'. in'. Either way, this would probably not happen for a long while.
* With Bay's [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2009-12-21.png recent behavior over a kiss]], it seems more likely that she has never had a child and that Brady / Honey is yet to be born, given that both Brady and Honey are (supposedly) from the future. The deck is pretty much stacked against Bay ever 'going back', but eventually she won't want to.
** [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2010-01-01.png This comic]] only raises even more questions about nearly ''everything'' up to this point. It's too early to label anything as concrete, though, but it looks as if most of the [=WMGs=] have been suddenly and immediately disproved.



Bay then spilled all of this to her after getting drunk. Robyn, not knowing the truth about Bay (only figuring that it was part of the script, so to speak) would understandably feel betrayed and angered and would likely accuse Bay of using her identity just to get closer.
* Nope, but Bay may well still have liked Robyn at that time. With many other things happening in her life making the likelihood of ever going back slim, Robyn missing her exams (and ending her friendship with Bay) was just the final straw that ended that line of thinking permanently.
* Bay wishing she could date Robyn as Brad pretty much sums up their whole relationship during the fanfics with Honey providing a strong hint of SettledForGay and HasTwoMommies later on.

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Bay then spilled all of this to her after getting drunk. Robyn, not knowing the truth about Bay (only figuring that it was part of the script, so to speak) would understandably feel betrayed and angered and would likely accuse Bay of using her identity just to get closer.
* Nope, but Bay may well still have liked Robyn at that time. With many other things happening in her life making the likelihood of ever going back slim, Robyn missing her exams (and ending her friendship with Bay) was just the final straw that ended that line of thinking permanently.
* Bay *Bay wishing she could date Robyn as Brad pretty much sums up their whole relationship during the fanfics with Honey providing a strong hint of SettledForGay and HasTwoMommies later on.



*** No, it was clearly said before that a paradox would only happen if they were both close to the portal while it's being used. There's no danger otherwise, given that Teri and Ams (who are the same cat) have been in close range to each other fairly often. Bay just doesn't want Honey to know about Brady for now because it would complicate things even further.

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*** No, it was clearly said before that a paradox would only happen if they were both close to the portal while it's being used. There's no danger otherwise, given that Teri and Ams (who are the same cat) have been in close range to each other fairly often. often. Bay just doesn't want Honey to know about Brady for now because it would complicate things even further.



Either reason would explain why Bay wasn't able to contact them over the phone. In the latter case, it would add another reason as to why Bay wanted to be changed back.

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Either reason would explain why Bay wasn't able to contact them over the phone. In the latter case, it would add another reason as to why Bay wanted to be changed back.



a) Another daughter of Bay's that she is yet to have. She does look somewhat similar to her, except for her hair and eye colors.

b) Honey's future daughter. Crystal seems to have taken a liking to her [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2008-09-05.png more than anyone else]], and Honey also seems to be a more than a bit motherly towards her.
* She also has a face very similar to Honey, as clearly seen [[http://sailorsun.org/?p=1190 here]]. Whether this means anything or not though isn't known, given it's possible (and likely) that her character model was simply drawn as a mix of Bay and Honey's features.
** Bay, Honey and Crystal being three generations of the same family is very possible. Crystal doesn't seem to be very concerned at being temporarily stuck in David's body, which could be because eventually he will end up fathering her with Honey so the gender-switch [[StableTimeLoop will definitely not last forever]].

c) An alternate version of Honey who was unable to be changed back to her regular form, after altering her helix. This may especially be possible in a timeline where no younger Brady existed, meaning she would have been stuck that way for good.

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a) Another daughter of Bay's that she is yet to have. She does look somewhat similar to her, except for her hair and eye colors.

b) Honey's future daughter. Crystal seems to have taken a liking to her [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2008-09-05.png more than anyone else]], and Honey also seems to be a more than a bit motherly towards her.
* She also has a face very similar to Honey, as clearly seen [[http://sailorsun.org/?p=1190 here]]. Whether this means anything or not though isn't known, given it's possible (and likely) that her character model was simply drawn as a mix of Bay and Honey's features.
** Bay, Honey and Crystal being three generations of the same family is very possible. Crystal doesn't seem to be very concerned at being temporarily stuck in David's body, which could be because eventually he will end up fathering her with Honey so the gender-switch [[StableTimeLoop will definitely not last forever]].

forever]]. Being switched to your dad's body would still be ''very'' uncomfortable, though.

c) An alternate version of Honey who was unable to be changed back to her regular form, after altering her helix. This may especially be possible in a timeline where no younger Brady existed, meaning she would have been stuck that way for good.



As for having British nationality, for the first two cases it can simply be explained by Bay or Honey being there when they gave birth. For the last one, [[BellisariosMaxim Honey just made it up for some reason]].

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As for having British nationality, for the first two cases it can simply be explained by Bay or Honey being there when they gave birth. For the last one, [[BellisariosMaxim Honey just made it up for some reason]].



In several comics, Honey seems to assume that she hasn't been conceived yet and wants to find a good guy for her mom. The flashback events of Story 7, however, proved that this isn't the case and that she is very likely the product of rape. Honey seemingly doesn't know about Brady's existence either (or that she was pregnant, but due to the TimeyWimeyBall only gave birth in alternate timelines). Bay isn't keen to tell her since in her mind it would probably destroy Honey. The Bay from Honey's timeline must have never told her anything either, being too ashamed.

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In several comics, Honey seems to assume that she hasn't been conceived yet and wants to find a good guy for her mom. The flashback events of Story 7, however, proved that this isn't the case and that she is very likely the product of rape. rape. Honey seemingly doesn't know about Brady's existence either (or that she was pregnant, but due to the TimeyWimeyBall only gave birth in alternate timelines). timelines). Bay isn't keen to tell her since in her mind it would probably destroy Honey. Honey. The Bay from Honey's timeline must have never told her anything either, being too ashamed.



Since in fiction, amnesia caused by a blow to the head is often [[WallBanger cured by another]], don't be surprised if this happens to Bay near the end of the storyline ''just'' as Honey and / or others are about to figure out the truth, [[ResetButton resetting the status quo to what it was just before her first accident at the ranch]]. Bonus points if she doesn't remember any of the time she recently spent as 'Brad' either.

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Since in fiction, amnesia caused by a blow to the head is often [[WallBanger cured by another]], don't be surprised if this happens to Bay near the end of the storyline ''just'' as Honey and / or others are about to figure out the truth, [[ResetButton resetting the status quo to what it was just before her first accident at the ranch]]. Bonus points if she doesn't remember any of the time she recently spent as 'Brad' either.



Aside from the possibility above that Crystal may also be her daughter (or another Honey), more versions of Honey may exist that aren't known about or haven't appeared yet. Of course, in time Bay may also consider having another child the normal way as well.

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Aside from the possibility above that Crystal may also be her daughter (or another Honey), more versions of Honey may exist that aren't known about or haven't appeared yet. Of course, in time Bay may also consider having another child the normal way as well.



* Honey and Brady share the same Helix (Brady's Helix was used to restore Honey's after she damaged it) and no two helixes are supposed to be alike.
* Fanfic, again: Bay named Honey "Brady" at birth, Honey could be a nickname.
** Honey is actually Brady's middle name, according to info on her cast page. It's quite clear that they are the same person.

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* Honey *Honey and Brady share the same Helix (Brady's Helix was used to restore Honey's after she damaged it) and no two helixes are supposed to be alike.
* Fanfic, again: *Fanfic, again: Bay named Honey "Brady" at birth, Honey could be a nickname.
** Honey is actually Brady's middle name, according to info on her cast page. It's quite clear that they are the same person.



* In her world, Microsoft is the 51st State.
* The fanfic depicts her as taking actions which she knows will alter the future (the scouts were in danger and she just couldn't help herself).
* If this is so, then she is the ''first'' Brady. In her timeline there would have been no adult Honey who ever went back in time, which would have made that Bay's (and Brady's) lives very different. Despite this, both versions of herself still '''must''' have the same origin, which has not yet been revealed.
** CD Rudd [[http://community.910cmx.com/index.php?showtopic=5641&view=findpost&p=226113 states it as fact]] that Honey is from an alternate future. Yet, since Honey and Brady are one and the same and obviously would have the same origin, and Brady is shown to have been with Bay ''before'' Honey came back in time, Brady may also be from the future (''not'' the same as Honey's) as well... meaning that both of their existences could be part of a StableTimeLoop.
*** Remember the [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2009-08-17.png "plan"?]] Perhaps it doesn't matter that Bay never got pregnant in this reality because they intended all along to snatch Honey from an alternate future in which she did.

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* In *In her world, Microsoft is the 51st State.
* The *The fanfic depicts her as taking actions which she knows will alter the future (the scouts were in danger and she just couldn't help herself).
* If this is so, then she is the ''first'' Brady. In her timeline there would have been no adult Honey who ever went back in time, which would have made that Bay's (and Brady's) lives very different. different. Despite this, both versions of herself still '''must''' have the same origin, which has not yet been revealed.
** CD Rudd [[http://community.910cmx.com/index.php?showtopic=5641&view=findpost&p=226113 states it as fact]] that Honey is from an alternate future. Yet, since Honey and Brady are one and the same and obviously would have the same origin, and Brady is shown to have been with Bay ''before'' Honey came back in time, Brady may also be from the future (''not'' the same as Honey's) as well... meaning that both of their existences could be part of a StableTimeLoop.
*** Remember the [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2009-08-17.png "plan"?]] "plan"?]] Perhaps it doesn't matter that Bay never got pregnant in this reality because they intended all along to snatch Honey from an alternate future in which she did.



* This could also be the "plan" the studio keeps referring to.
* It also addresses the "Bay and Brady's ages don't add up" issue.
** Or possibly, even though Honey is from an alternate future, Brady is ''not'' and is from the "normal" one. As mentioned below, both of them still must have the same point of origin, however.
*** But Brady also being from an alternate reality could explain why Bay still thinks she can return to being Brad even though her daughter (or daughters, depending upon how you look at it.) have not yet been born. After all, if they're both from Alternate futures, they don't even need to be born, at least not in this reality.
**** I think it's worth noting that daughters ''generally'' also have fathers.
** Bay and Brady's ages could add up if Bay had Brady at 15 or 16.
* Confirmed: Brady was snatched from the future while Bay was still pregnant with her, making her from an Alternate future by definition since she was yet to be born in ours.
** And, just to make things even more amusing, it now looks like Honey was snatched specifically because Brady was sent to live with Heather, which begs the question why they didn't either a: compensate Brady for her services or b: pay Bay a living wage.

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* This *This could also be the "plan" the studio keeps referring to.
* It *It also addresses the "Bay and Brady's ages don't add up" issue.
** Or possibly, even though Honey is from an alternate future, Brady is ''not'' and is from the "normal" one. As mentioned below, both of them still must have the same point of origin, however.
*** But Brady also being from an alternate reality could explain why Bay still thinks she can return to being Brad even though her daughter (or daughters, depending upon how you look at it.) have not yet been born. After all, if they're both from Alternate futures, they don't even need to be born, at least not in this reality.
**** I ****I think it's worth noting that daughters ''generally'' also have fathers.
** Bay **Bay and Brady's ages could add up if Bay had Brady at 15 or 16.
* Confirmed: *Confirmed: Brady was snatched from the future while Bay was still pregnant with her, making her from an Alternate future by definition definition since she was yet to be born in ours.
** And, **And, just to make things even more amusing, it now looks like Honey was snatched specifically because Brady was sent to live with Heather, which begs the question why they didn't either a: compensate Brady for her services or b: pay Bay a living wage.



He may be Robyn's brother or another relation. This could explain his use of "we'll" to Bay, possibly meaning Robyn could be the third person. It also seems more likely if Robyn's updated bio is considered, meaning that she could be in town visiting him and is not on good terms with Bay.
* Given the portal machine and the (assumed) use of it on Robyn by Chris, possibly as a test run to make sure it'd later work for Bay, it may also be possible that the Auction Guy is Robyn's future ''son''. As if Honey's mystery parentage wasn't already weird enough, this could make Robyn a possible ''grandmother'' (and Cody her grandfather), and due to time travel both Honey's parents and her paternal grandparents are all close in age to herself and each other.
** [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2009-11-23.png He is simply just her brother]]. Given that the obvious answer is the right one in many cases, most should have seen this coming.

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He may be Robyn's brother or another relation. This could explain his use of "we'll" to Bay, possibly meaning Robyn could be the third person. person. It also seems more likely if Robyn's updated bio is considered, meaning that she could be in town visiting him and is not on good terms with Bay.
* Given the portal machine and the (assumed) use of it on Robyn by Chris, possibly as a test run to make sure it'd later work for Bay, it may also be possible that the Auction Guy is Robyn's future ''son''. As if Honey's mystery parentage wasn't already weird enough, this could make Robyn a possible ''grandmother'' (and Cody her grandfather), and due to time travel both Honey's parents and her paternal grandparents are all close in age to herself and each other.
** [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2009-11-23.png He is simply just her brother]]. Given that the obvious answer is the right one in many cases, most should have seen this coming.



Bay says in [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2008-02-15.pngthis comic]] that "Honey can't wake up in a body over half her normal age", meaning that Brady is roughly 7 or 8 years old (since Honey is listed to be 18 in the cast page). She is also shown to be of the age to [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2008-07-02.png go to school]], making Bay's statement a fact. Considering Bay's own age, the amount of time that Bay worked at the [=SailorSun.com=] studio and her change from Brad, it does '''not''' add up in the slightest. She might have been pulled back in time or created somehow using Bay's DNA and / or Helix, and the latter could explain why Honey seemingly doesn't have a father.

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Bay says in [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2008-02-15.pngthis comic]] that "Honey can't wake up in a body over half her normal age", meaning that Brady is roughly 7 or 8 years old (since Honey is listed to be 18 in the cast page). She is also shown to be of the age to [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2008-07-02.png go to school]], making Bay's statement a fact. Considering Bay's own age, the amount of time that Bay worked at the [=SailorSun.com=] studio and her change from Brad, it does '''not''' add up in the slightest. She might have been pulled back in time or created somehow using Bay's DNA and / or Helix, and the latter could explain why Honey seemingly doesn't have a father.



** Of course "over half her normal age" is a fairly odd turn of phrase given Brady's apparent age and the overall situation. "Barely half her normal age" sounds more likely. Or Bay could have meant to say "under half her normal age". The authors (lack of) command of the English language makes such a misstatement entirely plausible.
*** Fanfic again: Bay was the same age as the other scouts in the fanfic, meaning she was only 15 or 16 when she gave birth to Brady/Honey. Bay's age is is given as 20 now, giving Brady plenty of time to achieve the age she is now the old-fashioned way.

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** Of course "over half her normal age" is a fairly odd turn of phrase given Brady's apparent age and the overall situation. "Barely half her normal age" sounds more likely. likely. Or Bay could have meant to say "under half her normal age". age". The authors (lack of) command of the English language makes such a misstatement entirely plausible.
*** Fanfic again: again: Bay was the same age as the other scouts in the fanfic, meaning she was only 15 or 16 when she gave birth to Brady/Honey. Brady/Honey. Bay's age is is given as 20 now, giving Brady plenty of time to achieve the age she is now the old-fashioned way.



* Bay definitely gives birth to Honey in the FanFic (I know, I know). Honey actually attended her own birth and was ''horrified'' to discover that Bay intended to give her up for adoption. She blamed this on Robyn since she just couldn't accept the idea that her own beloved mother would even think of rejecting her.

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* Bay definitely gives birth to Honey in the FanFic (I know, I know). Honey actually attended her own birth and was ''horrified'' to discover that Bay intended to give her up for adoption. adoption. She blamed this on Robyn since she just couldn't accept the idea that her own beloved mother would even think of rejecting her.



She entered the storage room just as Chris was using the machine, and the matter paradox erased the pregnancy once Brady was pulled back and came within range of her. Thus Bay became an instant mother of a four / five year old.

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She entered the storage room just as Chris was using the machine, and the matter paradox erased the pregnancy once Brady was pulled back and came within range of her. Thus Bay became an instant mother of a four / five year old.



Looking through the flashback comics, it appears that at the time of Robyn's exams neither Brady or Honey were around. Given that she probably left the studio shortly after the bar incident, it's likely that her character was then just written into the fanfic without an actual actor (like the original Senshi presumably were). Since there was nobody at Bay's apartment the night Robyn slept outside, Brady was not present (she either wasn't there yet or this was not long after Bay sent her to live with Heather, her origin is still a mystery). Some time after this, Honey then came from the future with Ams.

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Looking through the flashback comics, it appears that at the time of Robyn's exams neither Brady or Honey were around. Given that she probably left the studio shortly after the bar incident, it's likely that her character was then just written into the fanfic without an actual actor (like the original Senshi presumably were). were). Since there was nobody at Bay's apartment the night Robyn slept outside, Brady was not present (she either wasn't there yet or this was not long after Bay sent her to live with Heather, her origin is still a mystery). mystery). Some time after this, Honey then came from the future with Ams.



Brady somehow came back in time, and at an unspecified point will return to the future. After growing up, she went back again (with Ams). Due to the potential of causing a massive TemporalParadox and preventing key events from happening, some memories of time travellers are altered while they are in the past (which would explain why Honey doesn't remember being in the past before as Brady, or who her father is). Eventually, she will also leave and upon returning to the future unlock all of her memories. Both travels through time are to ensure that Honey actually comes into existence in the first place, because Future Bay [[StableTimeLoop remembered both versions of Honey being there]], and she was essential in [[TheMatchmaker getting her parents together]].

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Brady somehow came back in time, and at an unspecified point will return to the future. After growing up, she went back again (with Ams). Ams). Due to the potential of causing a massive TemporalParadox and preventing key events from happening, some memories of time travellers are altered while they are in the past (which would explain why Honey doesn't remember being in the past before as Brady, or who her father is). is). Eventually, she will also leave and upon returning to the future unlock all of her memories. memories. Both travels through time are to ensure that Honey actually comes into existence in the first place, because Future Bay [[StableTimeLoop remembered both versions of Honey being there]], and she was essential in [[TheMatchmaker getting her parents together]].



* According to the [[http://sailorsun.sailorsun.org/Bios.htm fanfic cast page]], she is in fact Brad's fraternal twin sister (who Bay is now an identical twin of, making '''Bay''' the clone). Bay's profile page on the main site also confirms this, stating outright that she has a sister.
** It gets even better: The Fanfic cast page states that Heather is was [[SeparatedAtBirth kidnapped at birth]] and raised in NY by adoptive parents. Of course, this may run aground on the "What is "real" in the fanfic" problem.

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* According to the [[http://sailorsun.sailorsun.org/Bios.htm fanfic cast page]], she is in fact Brad's fraternal twin sister (who Bay is now an identical twin of, making '''Bay''' the clone). Bay's profile page on the main site also confirms this, stating outright that she has a sister.
** It gets even better: better: The Fanfic cast page states that Heather is was [[SeparatedAtBirth kidnapped at birth]] and raised in NY by adoptive parents. parents. Of course, this may run aground on the "What is "real" in the fanfic" problem.



Even from his first appearance, the Auction Guy seems to have been more forgiving of Bay and her antics than anyone should, such as running out on him on their auction date and [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2007-09-21.png leaving him washing dishes]], and ''[[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2009-02-11.png getting drunk on their second date]]'' (albeit, by accident). This suggests that he in fact knew Bay before their "first" meeting at the auction, and was probably a key reason why he bid so much for her to begin with.

Robyn Marks (or Marcuis) was Bay's co-worker and best friend at the now defunct [=SailorSun.com=] studio. It's unclear as of yet whether or not she knew of or possibly even dated Brad before he was changed, but in the fanfiction stories she was deeply in love with him. Both Robyn and the Auction Guy have similar hairstyles and colors, are accountants, have kind and cheerful personalities, wear purple clothing, and react to Bay's awkward behavior in much the same way. Story 7 (''The Line'') also alternates back and forth between past and present, and Robyn and the Auction Guy, which may also be a hint.

Some time after the studio closure (and a falling out, given [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2009-06-16.png this cover]]), she was accidentally (or on purpose, for Bay) turned into a man by a TransformationRay or something similar. After meeting Bay again in his new identity, he realized that he's very much in love with her but is afraid to reveal that he's her former best friend. Meanwhile, Bay is also very much in love with him but is '''terrified''' to admit it to herself, to tell him who she used to be, and the fact that she's further and further GoingNative. Yes, they're two people who should have been together in their original sexes but due to [[WeirdnessMagnet circumstance and horrible luck]] must make do with who they now are, and hopefully at least regain their friendship, if not [[RelationshipUpgrade more]].

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Even from his first appearance, the Auction Guy seems to have been more forgiving of Bay and her antics than anyone should, such as running out on him on their auction date and [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2007-09-21.png leaving him washing dishes]], and ''[[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2009-02-11.png getting drunk on their second date]]'' (albeit, by accident). This suggests that he in fact knew Bay before their "first" meeting at the auction, and was probably a key reason why he bid so much for her to begin with.

Robyn Marks (or Marcuis) was Bay's co-worker and best friend at the now defunct [=SailorSun.com=] studio. It's unclear as of yet whether or not she knew of or possibly even dated Brad before he was changed, but in the fanfiction stories she was deeply in love with him. him. Both Robyn and the Auction Guy have similar hairstyles and colors, are accountants, have kind and cheerful personalities, wear purple clothing, and react to Bay's awkward behavior in much the same way. way. Story 7 (''The Line'') also alternates back and forth between past and present, and Robyn and the Auction Guy, which may also be a hint.

Some time after the studio closure (and a falling out, given [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2009-06-16.png this cover]]), she was accidentally (or on purpose, for Bay) turned into a man by a TransformationRay or something similar. After meeting Bay again in his new identity, he realized that he's very much in love with her but is afraid to reveal that he's her former best friend. friend. Meanwhile, Bay is also very much in love with him but is '''terrified''' to admit it to herself, to tell him who she used to be, and the fact that she's further and further GoingNative. GoingNative. Yes, they're two people who should have been together in their original sexes but due to [[WeirdnessMagnet circumstance and horrible luck]] must make do with who they now are, and hopefully at least regain their friendship, if not [[RelationshipUpgrade more]].



** In the latter case, it is also possible (though very unlikely) that the '''original''' Robyn was experimented on by Chris and turned male, so he pulled an unaffected version of Robyn from an alternate future to try and cover up his mistake. That Robyn could in all likelihood be several years older (at least) and resent Bay and the studio for taking her life away and / or what was done to her counterpart, making her later leave in disgust and anger. The Auction Guy, meanwhile, would likely be just as hurt (if not more) at being trapped in the opposite sex, and would be afraid to see Bay. But then some time later as he settled down into his life, he saw her one night at the [[BachelorAuction Bachelorette Auction]] he went to and decided to get to know her again, not knowing that he'd soon also fall in love. He and Robyn keep in touch, being sort-of siblings, and wants to try and heal the rift between her and Bay ''and'' reveal his identity to the latter at the same time.

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** In the latter case, it is also possible (though very unlikely) that the '''original''' Robyn was experimented on by Chris and turned male, so he pulled an unaffected version of Robyn from an alternate future to try and cover up his mistake. That Robyn could in all likelihood be several years older (at least) and resent Bay and the studio for taking her life away and / or what was done to her counterpart, making her later leave in disgust and anger. anger. The Auction Guy, meanwhile, would likely be just as hurt (if not more) at being trapped in the opposite sex, and would be afraid to see Bay. Bay. But then some time later as he settled down into his life, he saw her one night at the [[BachelorAuction Bachelorette Auction]] he went to and decided to get to know her again, not knowing that he'd soon also fall in love. love. He and Robyn keep in touch, being sort-of siblings, and wants to try and heal the rift between her and Bay ''and'' reveal his identity to the latter at the same time.



... just the Auction Guy. He's not secretly Robyn or anyone else. Robyn simply moved away after the studio closed down and / or a huge fight with Bay, and hasn't kept in touch. All of the clues and similarities between Robyn and the Auction Guy are just [[RedHerring Red Herrings]] to throw the readers off.
* ''Cough, Cough,'' OnlySixFaces, ''Cough''

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... just the Auction Guy. He's not secretly Robyn or anyone else. else. Robyn simply moved away after the studio closed down and / or a huge fight with Bay, and hasn't kept in touch. touch. All of the clues and similarities between Robyn and the Auction Guy are just [[RedHerring Red Herrings]] to throw the readers off.
* ''Cough, *''Cough, Cough,'' OnlySixFaces, ''Cough''



* It might also explain Bay's breakup with Robyn. Note the expression in Bay's eyes [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2009-11-25.png here.]]
** Jossed. Bay apparently did not try to take advantage of Robyn.

[[WMG: The Auction Guy will * not* choose Bay.]]
As a twist and utter wrench throw to both Bay and the readers, he will opt to believe and choose his sister over Bay. She will be utterly heartbroken and torn apart, and Robyn and the Auction Guy may not appear again in the series. Bay would likely chew both of them out before storming off, especially Robyn. This whole scenario is quite unlikely though, considering all the time (often hilariously) spent putting them together.

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* It might also explain Bay's breakup with Robyn. Note the expression in Bay's eyes [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2009-11-25.png here.]]
** Jossed. **Jossed. Bay apparently did not try to take advantage of Robyn.

[[WMG: The Auction Guy will * not* *not* choose Bay.]]
As a twist and utter wrench throw to both Bay and the readers, he will opt to believe and choose his sister over Bay. She will be utterly heartbroken and torn apart, and Robyn and the Auction Guy may not appear again in the series. series. Bay would likely chew both of them out before storming off, especially Robyn. Robyn. This whole scenario is quite unlikely though, considering all the time (often hilariously) spent putting them together.



Come on. Bay is smitten and loves him despite trying to convince herself that she's not. Unless Honey / Brady is a clone or created by [[strike:magic]] [[ForScience science]], or not Bay's real daughter at all (which would be quite the major AssPull by CD Rudd), there's no other possibility.
* If this is true, then [[DisappearedDad something probably happened to him]] in Honey's timeline before she was born. Even so, it's very doubtful that Bay would never tell her daughter about her father, so Honey's memories must have been [[LaserGuidedAmnesia altered in some way]] for her to have no idea about who he is.
** In the fanfic Bay had no idea who Honey's father is because her body was being possessed by the very promiscuous Berry at the time (meaning that there were literally dozens of potential candidates). While this could just be laziness on the part of the studio (it conveniently allows them to {{RetCon}} it anyway they want to) maybe Bay ''just doesn't know.''

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Come on. Bay is smitten and loves him despite trying to convince herself that she's not. Unless Honey / Brady is a clone or created by [[strike:magic]] [[ForScience science]], or not Bay's real daughter at all (which would be quite the major AssPull by CD Rudd), there's no other possibility.
* If this is true, then [[DisappearedDad something probably happened to him]] in Honey's timeline before she was born. Even so, it's very doubtful that Bay would never tell her daughter about her father, so Honey's memories must have been [[LaserGuidedAmnesia altered in some way]] for her to have no idea about who he is.
** In the fanfic Bay had no idea who Honey's father is because her body was being possessed by the very promiscuous Berry at the time (meaning that there were literally dozens of potential candidates). While this could just be laziness on the part of the studio (it conveniently allows them to {{RetCon}} it anyway they want to) maybe Bay ''just doesn't know.''



When Doug points out that Bay isn't even pregnant, Chris replies that he has a plan. Well, maybe it was a very simple plan. We all know Bay can't hold her liquor.

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When Doug points out that Bay isn't even pregnant, Chris replies that he has a plan. Well, maybe it was a very simple plan. plan. We all know Bay can't hold her liquor.



In the Fanfic, Robyn has a supernatural pregnancy that was "temporarily" shifted to Bay before the time skip. It was ''supposed'' to be transferred back to Robyn sometime in the future, but what if it wasn't?
* Robyn is definitely involved somehow, given [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2009-09-23.png this comic]]. Though, it is doubtful that she knew exactly just what she was getting into. If Robyn is / will be Honey's "other parent" or father, she probably doesn't know. Assuming that the "machine" needs someone to be able to lock onto a relation in the future (in the comic above, that could be what Chris wants Robyn for), and ''Honey'' [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2009-10-06.png was brought back]], likely would mean that Robyn is the other parent.

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In the Fanfic, Robyn has a supernatural pregnancy that was "temporarily" shifted to Bay before the time skip. It was ''supposed'' to be transferred back to Robyn sometime in the future, but what if it wasn't?
* Robyn *Robyn is definitely involved somehow, given [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2009-09-23.png this comic]]. Though, it is doubtful that she knew exactly just what she was getting into. into. If Robyn is / will be Honey's "other parent" or father, she probably doesn't know. know. Assuming that the "machine" needs someone to be able to lock onto a relation in the future (in the comic above, that could be what Chris wants Robyn for), and ''Honey'' [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2009-10-06.png was brought back]], likely would mean that Robyn is the other parent.



Everything seems to fit a little ''too'' perfectly and still doesn't make a lot of sense. It is being widely assumed now with only one or two comics that:

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Everything seems to fit a little ''too'' perfectly and still doesn't make a lot of sense. It is being widely assumed now with only one or two comics that:



This doesn't explain why Honey is described as to have been '''born''' in New York while her mother was on a trip, unless Brady and Honey are actually not the same person (which they are). Since Honey was pulled from the future ''after'' Brady was, this probably means that Honey came from a future where there was no Honey ever pulled back, meaning she was, as Brady, pulled herself from the future when she was young. Little to nothing has ever been said about Honey's childhood so this is very possible. Unless Chris can somehow tune the machine to very specific alternate timelines ([[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2010-01-04.png which does not seem likely]]), this implies that Brady actually hasn't been born yet. The machine is also described as being able to open a portal to ''the'' future, not 'one of an infinite number of possible futures'.

Remember that Honey had Ams (who is an older Teri) in the future, meaning that [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2008-06-18.png this]] absolutely ''must'' have also happened when she was a child, which also implies that everything else before that was also identical. The timeline would have only changed once Honey was brought back, most likely giving Brady a much different life as opposed to what her older 'sister' experienced.

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This doesn't explain why Honey is described as to have been '''born''' in New York while her mother was on a trip, unless Brady and Honey are actually not the same person (which they are). Since Honey was pulled from the future ''after'' Brady was, this probably means that Honey came from a future where there was no Honey ever pulled back, meaning she was, as Brady, pulled herself from the future when she was young. young. Little to nothing has ever been said about Honey's childhood so this is very possible. possible. Unless Chris can somehow tune the machine to very specific alternate timelines ([[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2010-01-04.png which does not seem likely]]), this implies that Brady actually hasn't been born yet. The machine is also described as being able to open a portal to ''the'' future, not 'one of an infinite number of possible futures'.

Remember that Honey had Ams (who is an older Teri) in the future, meaning that [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2008-06-18.png this]] absolutely ''must'' have also happened when she was a child, which also implies that everything else before that was also identical. The timeline would have only changed once Honey was brought back, most likely giving Brady a much different life as opposed to what her older 'sister' experienced.



* There's no indication that Brady ''doesn't'' know her father, given that we've seen very little of her in the comic. It was either never asked of her by Bay, or simply ignored (since she assumes Brady is the product of a bad night, and would assume Brady is wrong). Brady would probably clearly recognize her daddy on sight if she ever sees him, which would be extremely awkward for all involved.
* Sadly, Honey may have simply forgotten him. Assuming the above theory, her alternate timeline would be quite different due to the non-presence of Honey. Brady would never be born in that timeline at all since there wasn't a Honey around for key events to happen, and given enough time Honey's memories of him would have faded. It can happen.

Some day, Brady will be born in New York and once she reaches a certain age, pulled back in time to start the entire StableTimeLoop (but her two older selves would still remain in the present). Honey indeed does come from an alternate future (where Honey was never pulled from the future) but is still reliant on all these events to even exist.

The only way that the scenario / theory given by some comics (that Bay was pregnant with Brady) can work is if Chris later decided to somehow set the machine to an alternate timeline where Bay actually gave birth (which would mean she somehow ended up in New York at that time), and snatched Honey when she was roughly eighteen years old. This doesn't explain why Honey has Ams, unless Bay picked him up at the exact same time and day as Brady did in the normal timeline ''and'' gave him the same name (Teri probably decided to go by Ams when he was older the same as Brady decided to use her middle name of Honey). It also makes no sense and is quite a stretch, because if Chris later wanted an older Brady he'd just open a portal to the future and snatch her. There's no reason whatsoever for setting the machine to an alternate universe where Bay gave birth (if this is even possible), unless there's an [[TimeyWimeyBall overly-complicated, contrived reason]].

* You're thinking about this way too much and seem to have overlooked a much simpler, easier, and more rational explanation: Chris likely has no idea how the time portal really works and is simply using it to randomly troll the future(s) for daughters of Bay. In other words, he's just snatching the first person the portal can locate for him and has no idea where or when in the future they're actually coming from. As for whether or not the portal merely accesses "the future" instead of "all possible futures", the source for that little tidbit of information was... Chris himself! He's hardly the most reliable source, since it's clear that he has no idea what he's messing with (and an idiot).
** To the above Troper: You're most likely correct, given that there's also a (possibly canon) bonus / donation comic where ''another'' Honey comes to the present from yet another alternate future. Also, CD Rudd hasn't exactly been well known for storylines in the past... what you see is what you get, and the [[ViewersAreMorons most obvious answer is almost always the right one]]. I just don't like how smoothed over and little is thought of the apparent fact that Bay was ''date-raped'', and have looked for as many inconsistencies and plot-holes with that theory as possible (this WMG).
** Completely quashed by [[http://community.910cmx.com/index.php?showtopic=7424&view=findpost&p=315685 CD Rudd]]. The origin story is completely correct with nothing (apparently) hidden. This should have been expected due to the [[ViewersAreGoldfish clear explanation about paradoxes one comic before Brady's appearance]].

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* There's no indication that Brady ''doesn't'' know her father, given that we've seen very little of her in the comic. It was either never asked of her by Bay, or simply ignored (since she assumes Brady is the product of a bad night, and would assume Brady is wrong). wrong). Brady would probably clearly recognize her daddy on sight if she ever sees him, which would be extremely awkward for all involved.
* Sadly, Honey may have simply forgotten him. Assuming the above theory, her alternate timeline would be quite different due to the non-presence of Honey. Honey. Brady would never be born in that timeline at all since there wasn't a Honey around for key events to happen, and given enough time Honey's memories of him would have faded. faded. It can happen.

Some day, Brady will be born in New York and once she reaches a certain age, pulled back in time to start the entire StableTimeLoop (but her two older selves would still remain in the present). Honey indeed does come from an alternate future (where Honey was never pulled from the future) but is still reliant on all these events to even exist.

The only way that the scenario / theory given by some comics (that Bay was pregnant with Brady) can work is if Chris later decided to somehow set the machine to an alternate timeline where Bay actually gave birth (which would mean she somehow ended up in New York at that time), and snatched Honey when she was roughly eighteen years old. This doesn't explain why Honey has Ams, unless Bay picked him up at the exact same time and day as Brady did in the normal timeline ''and'' gave him the same name (Teri probably decided to go by Ams when he was older the same as Brady decided to use her middle name of Honey). Honey). It also makes no sense and is quite a stretch, because if Chris later wanted an older Brady he'd just open a portal to the future and snatch her. her. There's no reason whatsoever for setting the machine to an alternate universe where Bay gave birth (if this is even possible), unless there's an [[TimeyWimeyBall overly-complicated, contrived reason]].

* You're thinking about this way too much and seem to have overlooked a much simpler, easier, and more rational explanation: explanation: Chris likely has no idea how the time portal really works and is simply using it to randomly troll the future(s) for daughters of Bay. Bay. In other words, he's just snatching the first person the portal can locate for him and has no idea where or when in the future they're actually coming from. from. As for whether or not the portal merely accesses "the future" instead of "all possible futures", the source for that little tidbit of information was... Chris himself! himself! He's hardly the most reliable source, since it's clear that he has no idea what he's messing with (and an idiot).
** To the above Troper: You're most likely correct, given that there's also a (possibly canon) bonus / donation comic where ''another'' Honey comes to the present from yet another alternate future. Also, CD Rudd hasn't exactly been well known for storylines in the past... what you see is what you get, and the [[ViewersAreMorons most obvious answer is almost always the right one]]. I just don't like how smoothed over and little is thought of the apparent fact that Bay was ''date-raped'', and have looked for as many inconsistencies and plot-holes with that theory as possible (this WMG).
** Completely quashed by [[http://community.910cmx.com/index.php?showtopic=7424&view=findpost&p=315685 CD Rudd]]. The origin story is completely correct with nothing (apparently) hidden. hidden. This should have been expected due to the [[ViewersAreGoldfish clear explanation about paradoxes one comic before Brady's appearance]].



At some point as she was growing up, Bay (future) either told her or she figured it out for herself. Honey doesn't care or think much about it though, given how much she loves and admires her mother.
* In an [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2006-10-24.jpg early comic]], Bay mentions to Turt that Honey doesn't know, but all this means is that she never told her and has no reason to think that she knows. It's very unlikely that Honey went through eighteen years without finding out or at least suspecting, unless this is a case of PlotInducedStupidity. Given what Bay has been [[GoingNative going through]] recently, if Honey actually doesn't know she will soon enough. [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming Though, it would be so much sweeter if she has in fact known all along, and tells her mother so as she's confessing the truth to her daughter.]]

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At some point as she was growing up, Bay (future) either told her or she figured it out for herself. Honey doesn't care or think much about it though, given how much she loves and admires her mother.
* In an [[http://sailorsun.org/comics/2006-10-24.jpg early comic]], Bay mentions to Turt that Honey doesn't know, but all this means is that she never told her and has no reason to think that she knows. It's very unlikely that Honey went through eighteen years without finding out or at least suspecting, unless this is a case of PlotInducedStupidity. PlotInducedStupidity. Given what Bay has been [[GoingNative going through]] recently, if Honey actually doesn't know she will soon enough. enough. [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming Though, it would be so much sweeter if she has in fact known all along, and tells her mother so as she's confessing the truth to her daughter.]]
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** Bay, Honey and Crystal being three generations of the same family is very possible. Crystal doesn't seem to be very concerned at being temporarily stuck in David's body, which could be because eventually he will end up fathering her with Honey so the gender-switch [[StableTimeLoop will definitely not last forever]].

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