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Red trained at Mt. Silver for three years. The shame of losing to someone who first became a trainer about a month ago caused him to commit suicide.

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Red trained at Mt. Silver for three years. The shame of losing to someone who first became a trainer about a month ago caused him to commit suicide.\\



[[WMG: [[Main/TheMole Bill is a member of Team Rocket]] Bill and Giovanni [[Main/PaperThinDisguise are the same person.]]]]
A random civilian in Cerulean City mentions that Bill's not "above doing all sorts of things to get rare Pokemon". Sounds a lot like Team Rocket. Also, note that [[Main/GottaCatchEmAll Bill loves rare Pokemon]], but he lives a hermit-like lifestyle, not even going on a cruise party that has ''sailed around the world''. It's not that Bill doesn't like people, it's that he's afraid that there may be someone who has beaten him in the Viridian City Gym and might recognize him. Also, note the lone Team Rocket member who steals the Dig TM. He could be working as a free agent, but it's much more likely that there's a superior agent nearby. But what really kicks it is when Bill fuses himself with a Pokemon (A Rhydon or something similar in R/B, a Clefairy in FR/LG); after Bill is returned to normal, ''[[Main/UnfortunateImplications he never speaks of the Pokemon again]]''.

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[[WMG: [[Main/TheMole [[TheMole Bill is a member of Team Rocket]] Bill and Giovanni [[Main/PaperThinDisguise [[PaperThinDisguise are the same person.]]]]
A random civilian in Cerulean City mentions that Bill's not "above doing all sorts of things to get rare Pokemon". Sounds a lot like Team Rocket. Also, note that [[Main/GottaCatchEmAll [[GottaCatchEmAll Bill loves rare Pokemon]], but he lives a hermit-like lifestyle, not even going on a cruise party that has ''sailed around the world''. It's not that Bill doesn't like people, it's that he's afraid that there may be someone who has beaten him in the Viridian City Gym and might recognize him. Also, note the lone Team Rocket member who steals the Dig TM. He could be working as a free agent, but it's much more likely that there's a superior agent nearby. But what really kicks it is when Bill fuses himself with a Pokemon (A Rhydon or something similar in R/B, a Clefairy in FR/LG); after Bill is returned to normal, ''[[Main/UnfortunateImplications he never speaks of the Pokemon again]]''.


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[[WMG:The old woman who gives you the Cleanse Tag is a ghost]]
* If you examine the door of the former Day Care on Route 5, it gives the message "What’s this? House for Sale… Nobody lives here." What is she doing in the supposedly vacant house?
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[[WMG: The reason Unown are so weak is because individual letters don't mean much on their own.]]
People who watched the third movie might be confused as to why the Unown there are so powerful whereas they can only learn one move in the games. In the games, only a few (1-3, hypothetically 5) Unown can be encountered at any one time, while in the movie there was an incredibly high number of them grouped together at once. Much like how individual letters and other symbols don't mean much on their own but become more meaningful when arranged to form text, Unown become more powerful the more of them there are together.
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* I see him as a [[{{Transgender}} trans guy]].

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* I see him as a [[{{Transgender}} trans guy]].guy.



# Red is {{Transgender}}, began his journey as Leaf, and transitioned sometime in between [=FRLG and HGSS=].

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# Red is {{Transgender}}, Transgender, began his journey as Leaf, and transitioned sometime in between [=FRLG and HGSS=].
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* I see him as a [[{{Transgender}} trans* guy]].

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* I see him as a [[{{Transgender}} trans* trans guy]].

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** So, the royal family of Johto lives in a small house in a non-descript small town?




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* So, is Bill's family in on his double life or are they in the dark, too? And where would Silver fit in to it, since he is Giovanni's son?
** Related to the above, Bill appears to be a young adult while Giovanni is middle-aged with a nearly teenaged son. It wouldn't make sense for Bill to have a son that old.

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* Doubtful; from what everyone says, Falkner's dad is dead and Falkner inherited his gym and Pokemon. If Koga were his dad, that wouldn't amke sense.


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[[WMG: The Gym Guy is the Player's father]]
It makes no sense for some random guy to just be following some random trainer. Obviously, at some point, the Gym Guy and Mom were an item, maybe married, maybe not, but after Ethan/Kris was born, the relationship soured and Mom got full custody and kept him out of Ethan/Kris' life. Alternately, he may have abandoned the family and later regretted it. However, he kept tabs on his child for years and once they became a trainer, he started following them secretly and gave them advice and cheering them as a way to compensate for not being there for them.
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[[WMG: Clair's refusal to give you the badge was the result of politicking, not ego.]]
It's never specified in the games exactly how much political power Gym Leaders, Elite Four members, and Champions have. It's not uncommon for headcanons to assume that these are all political positions, where instead of elections, you have pokemon battles. (After all, if pokemon are indeed so powerful and dangerous, there's no reason to assume that they'll be perfectly subservient to humans. As a result, civilization lives three gyradoses away from annhilation. Trainers become the most important people, because they can stave off these dangers, and the most powerful of them become leaders.)

Lance is both Clair's cousin and Champion when you first challenge Blackthorn. In a paradigm where Champions hold political power, it's not unreasonable to assume that keeping Lance on the throne is a familial, not individual, interest. Lance represents his family's ideals and protects the political and economic interests of Blackthorn, so his demotion is costly to his city and family.

Given Clair's skill level, one can assume that she can recognize talent. Not only did she lose to you, but she undoubtedly also heard accounts of your power from other people in Johto. She thinks (knows) that if you go up against Lance, you'll very likely win and curtail her family's influence. But well, you can't challenge the League without eight badges...

When she first refuses to give you the badge and deflects by asking you to go to the Dragon's Den, she does so under the guise of subjecting you through another trial because of you "lazy ideals". She's unfriendly, but she has plausible undeniability. If she's reported, she could point to other Gym Leaders who make you do things before giving you the badge. Her hope is that her grandfather, who is likely more respected than her throughout the region, will recognize what she's doing and give you a more legitimate-sounding reason for refusing you a badge. (Bonus points if there's some League loophole that allows Gym Leaders to tack on extra badge-earning requisites, and/or if the clan has used this method to reject people who defeated Clair).

Unfortunately for her, you pass her grandfather's test with flying colors. There's no plausible way that he can reject you. Even if they flunk you, they can't do so forever without attracting unwelcome outside attention. And it sure would be awkward if you ended up becoming Champion anyways (maybe by challenging the Kanto circuit and using those badges?) and then taxing Blackthorn exports...

(Anyways, I find it hard to believe that you're the first person who's ever defeated Clair. If you're not, you'd think that the League would pick up on complaints about Gym Leaders not handing out badges. And if being "unbeatable" mattered so much to her, why did Clair used a nerfed lvl 40 team instead of her HGSS rematch team? My only guess is that she has something personal against the player character. )
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(Also, this is most definitely how it should have happened in [[Manga/PokemonSpecial the manga]].)

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(Also, this is most definitely how it should have happened in [[Manga/PokemonSpecial [[Manga/PokemonAdventures the manga]].)
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[[WMG: The Jade Ord used to summon Rayquazza in the Embedded Tower.]]

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[[WMG: The Jade Ord Orb used to summon Rayquazza in the Embedded Tower.]]
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[[WMG: The Jade Ord used to summon Rayquazza in the Embedded Tower.]]
If it were to reappear again, it will be re-designed to resemble a Mega Stone, specifically a hypothetical "Rayquazzite".
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** That said, when Green made a cameo in LGPE, she lead with Clefable instead.
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* Adding onto this, with the introduction of Mega Evolution, they are also holding onto Charizardite X and Ampharosite.

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It could go either ways: 1. Leaf is crossdressing as Red. 2. Red is {{Transgender}}, began his journey as Leaf, and transitioned sometime in between [=FRLG and HGSS=].

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* However, LGPE introduces Eevee as a parallel starter to Pikachu, being also associated to the female playable character.

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** The fact that their hidden abilities suddenly changed in Gen 7 feels like it [[{{Jossed}} josses]] this a bit, though. If it was meant to be evidence, why would it be changed? And the only beta beast who really resembles an Eeveelution is Suicune, imo.



[[WMG:Sabrina was the first trainer to evolve Eevee into Espeon.]][[/folder]]

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** ...That makes so much sense. And it makes it all the more disappointing that the player can't go there in [=HGSS=].
[[WMG:Sabrina was the first trainer to evolve Eevee into Espeon.]][[/folder]]]]
* The "new" Eeveelutions seem to be fairly well-known by the time of the game, though, plus one of the Kimono Girls has an Espeon. I can totally buy Sabrina being one of the first people in Kanto to do it, though.
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* It's worth noting that the Cinnabar eruption was inspired by [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth,_Montserrat|several]] that happened in Montserrat over a period between 1995 and 1997, rendering its entire capital of Plymouth uninhabitable.

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* It's worth noting that the Cinnabar eruption was inspired by [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth,_Montserrat|several]] org/wiki/Plymouth,_Montserrat several]] that happened in Montserrat over a period between 1995 and 1997, rendering its entire capital of Plymouth uninhabitable.
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* It's worth noting that the Cinnabar eruption was inspired by [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth,_Montserrat|several]] that happened in Montserrat over a period between 1995 and 1997, rendering its entire capital of Plymouth uninhabitable.
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** The Gen 2 prototype has the Legendary Dogs looking far more like Eevees and its version of Celebi is actually an early Leafeon, so there may be some truth in this.

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* This is also helped by the Hidden Abilities of Raikou, Suicune, and Entei being the same as the normal abilities of Jolteon, Vaporeon and Flareon (''Volt Absorb'', ''Water Absorb'', and ''Flash Fire'', respectively)

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* This is also helped by the Hidden Abilities of Raikou, Suicune, and Entei (Pre Gen VII) being the same as the normal abilities of Jolteon, Vaporeon and Flareon (''Volt Absorb'', ''Water Absorb'', and ''Flash Fire'', respectively)



* Best reason I can think of for them not being in HG/SS.[[/folder]]

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* Best reason I can think of for them not being in HG/SS.[[/folder]]HG/SS.
[[WMG:Sabrina was the first trainer to evolve Eevee into Espeon.]][[/folder]]
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[[WMG: Arceus destroys a world when it creates the Egg in the Sinjoh Ruins.]]
I don't remember all the exact details, but Cynthia says that the world is a kind of egg and also that all life from an Egg must end to spring anew. Fast-forward to Generations VI and VII where it is confirmed that the Pokemon "world" is a multiverse containing at least several worlds, and probably a LOT more. Combining this with the fact that this is the first and only canonical time we see an Egg created, and since it hatches into one of the creation trio, who are very powerful mons that we don't usually see hatch from Eggs, it's very possible that Arceus sacrificed a world to gather the energy necessary to make the Egg. Additionally, a friend of mine has a theory that ALL Eggs are created by Arceus. Notice how the images that play out before the Egg hatches seem to be of the real world, or at least a world like it. If you combine the two theories, and a world is destroyed every time Arceus creates an Egg...

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* I see him as a [[{{Transsexual}} trans* guy]].

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* I see him as a [[{{Transsexual}} [[{{Transgender}} trans* guy]].



It could go either ways: 1. Leaf is crossdressing as Red. 2. Red is {{transsexual}}, began his journey as Leaf, and transitioned sometime in between [=FRLG and HGSS=].

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It could go either ways: 1. Leaf is crossdressing as Red. 2. Red is {{transsexual}}, {{Transgender}}, began his journey as Leaf, and transitioned sometime in between [=FRLG and HGSS=].

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[[WMG: Chikorita is a Pokemon equilivent to [[CuteKitten kittens]].]]

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[[WMG: Chikorita is a Pokemon equilivent equivalent to [[CuteKitten kittens]].]]




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* Well, it ''is'' a RidiculouslyCuteCritter.




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* Isn't this canon? They do say they were looking for someone who was capable of waking up their version's respective legendary, implying that Ethan/Lyra is worthy due to being both strong and kindhearted. And trusting someone with a good heart to use a legendary sounds a lot like hoping that Ethan/Lyra would use their influence for good.



** Essentially confirmed in Pokemon Origins.

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** * Essentially confirmed in Pokemon Origins.



** A ValleyGirl accent would probably suit her better.

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** * A ValleyGirl accent would probably suit her better.
* [=IIRC=], in the remakes, she does say something like "I ''ain't'' losing, you hear?" when you get her Miltank low on health. So this could be canon, or at least likely.



** Ultimately Jossed. The Poké Transporter was patched just before the games' release so that gender and shininess when transferring from Gen I to Gen VII are computed the same way as in Gen II.

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** * Ultimately Jossed. The Poké Transporter was patched just before the games' release so that gender and shininess when transferring from Gen I to Gen VII are computed the same way as in Gen II.




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* Wait, what? When was any "boyfriend" besides the guy that the player actually sees her with at Cerulean Cape mentioned? And he's got a different sprite from Red, so... probably not.



** Except Team Magma's plan was stupid. Assuming you made Mt. Chimney erupt, all you probably did is grant Lavaridge and potentially Fallarbor Town a horrific molten death
** [[ComicallyMissingthePoint Eh, They're still smarter then Team Aqua.]]

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** *** Except Team Magma's plan was stupid. Assuming you made Mt. Chimney erupt, all you probably did is grant Lavaridge and potentially Fallarbor Town a horrific molten death
** *** [[ComicallyMissingthePoint Eh, They're still smarter then Team Aqua.]]



** Well, it would explain why berries don't grow there... at least, [[TechnologyMarchesOn not anymore.]]
*** Perhaps Apricorns are hardier than the old Berries which is why they can survive?
*** Berries resemble tomato plants, which are small, while Apricorns grow on trees, which are much hardier than smaller plants.

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** * Well, it would explain why berries don't grow there... at least, [[TechnologyMarchesOn not anymore.]]
*** ** Perhaps Apricorns are hardier than the old Berries which is why they can survive?
*** ** Berries resemble tomato plants, which are small, while Apricorns grow on trees, which are much hardier than smaller plants.



The general consensus during R/B/Y/G/S/C and I guess FR/LG/HS/SS, due to GameplayAndStorySegregation, is that while dragon types can be gained and trained with only mild difficulty and patience while playing, in-universe they're apparently incredibly rare to find that most people doubt they even exist. And even if you do manage to catch one, to train them is an even more difficult task, that it seems the action in itself earns you the title of a master trainer. The only way to catch them (aside from the Dragon's Den) is in the Safari Zone (very uncommon) and Johto's Route 45 (again, very uncommon), as well as being purchasable from the Game Corner (at a pretty hefty price involving a fair bit of gambling). Excluding Red and Ethan (who the game makes very clear are gifted), not many people are going to be able to catch a Dratini, or even have the funds to buy one. Lance and Claire are respected across the land, because they are good enough to handle the rarity and power of the dragon types. Seems a fair measure of trainer merit right, that only the best trainers can train a dragon type, and that's why Lance and Claire are admired, right?

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The general consensus during R/B/Y/G/S/C and I guess FR/LG/HS/SS, due to GameplayAndStorySegregation, is that while dragon types can be gained and trained with only mild difficulty and patience while playing, in-universe they're apparently incredibly rare to find that most people doubt they even exist. And even if you do manage to catch one, to train them is an even more difficult task, that it seems the action in itself earns you the title of a master trainer. The only way to catch them (aside from the Dragon's Den) is in the Safari Zone (very uncommon) and Johto's Route 45 (again, very uncommon), as well as being purchasable from the Game Corner (at a pretty hefty price involving a fair bit of gambling). Excluding Red and Ethan (who the game makes very clear are gifted), not many people are going to be able to catch a Dratini, or even have the funds to buy one. Lance and Claire Clair are respected across the land, because they are good enough to handle the rarity and power of the dragon types. Seems a fair measure of trainer merit right, that only the best trainers can train a dragon type, and that's why Lance and Claire are admired, right?
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** Ultimately Jossed. The Poké Transporter was patched just before the games' release so that gender and shininess when transferring from Gen I to Gen VII are computed the same way as in Gen II.
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It is does, then the chance for a Gen 1 Pokémon to change their gender will be visible. In the GB games, a Pokémon's gender is tied to the Attack IV, but their gender is randomly generated when transferred to Gen 7.

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It If is does, then the chance for a Gen 1 Pokémon to [[GenderBender change their gender gender]] will be visible. In the GB games, a Pokémon's gender is tied to the Attack IV, but their gender is randomly generated when transferred to Gen 7.
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[[WMG:If made, the [=GSC=] Virtual Console will not be compatible with the Virtual Console [=RBY=].]]
It is does, then the chance for a Gen 1 Pokémon to change their gender will be visible. In the GB games, a Pokémon's gender is tied to the Attack IV, but their gender is randomly generated when transferred to Gen 7.
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[[WMG: Pokérus killed the animals]]
When those microscopic life forms infect Pokémon, all it does is that it made them stronger, specifically by increating their EV gains. So the question is, why are they called Poké'''rus''' when they are not viruses to Pokémon? That's because it's not the Pokémon they're harmful towards.
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Hey Its That Guy cut by TRS decision. Ditto for Hey Its That Voice.


A random civilian in Cerulean City mentions that Bill's not "above doing all sorts of things to get rare Pokemon". Sounds a lot like Team Rocket. Also, note that [[Main/GottaCatchEmAll Bill loves rare Pokemon]], but he lives a hermit-like lifestyle, not even going on a cruise party that has ''sailed around the world''. It's not that Bill doesn't like people, it's that he's afraid that there may be someone who has beaten him in the Viridian City Gym and [[Main/HeyItsThatGuy might recognize him]]. Also, note the lone Team Rocket member who steals the Dig TM. He could be working as a free agent, but it's much more likely that there's a superior agent nearby. But what really kicks it is when Bill fuses himself with a Pokemon (A Rhydon or something similar in R/B, a Clefairy in FR/LG); after Bill is returned to normal, ''[[Main/UnfortunateImplications he never speaks of the Pokemon again]]''.

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A random civilian in Cerulean City mentions that Bill's not "above doing all sorts of things to get rare Pokemon". Sounds a lot like Team Rocket. Also, note that [[Main/GottaCatchEmAll Bill loves rare Pokemon]], but he lives a hermit-like lifestyle, not even going on a cruise party that has ''sailed around the world''. It's not that Bill doesn't like people, it's that he's afraid that there may be someone who has beaten him in the Viridian City Gym and [[Main/HeyItsThatGuy might recognize him]].him. Also, note the lone Team Rocket member who steals the Dig TM. He could be working as a free agent, but it's much more likely that there's a superior agent nearby. But what really kicks it is when Bill fuses himself with a Pokemon (A Rhydon or something similar in R/B, a Clefairy in FR/LG); after Bill is returned to normal, ''[[Main/UnfortunateImplications he never speaks of the Pokemon again]]''.
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** Personally, I think that it being an affair or pragmatic relationship is a bit cynical, even for a mafia analog. EvenEvilHasLovedOnes, after all; Giovanni treats his son like he actually has Silver's best interest in mind rather than just using him. That said, Ariana being Silver's mother makes sense, considering their shared hair color and style. They also have a similar signature pose, though reversed. Extending off of this, there's another member of the family, too. Mars from Team Galactic has the same style as Silver but with a girlish bob. She has a bit of Silver's attitude as well. Her being a member of Team Galactic parallel's Silver's wild-card status, both having left their father to make their own place in the world rather than join Team Rocket.



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[[WMG: Lugia destroyed the Brass Tower.]]
Unintentionally, of course. Lugia is described multiple times as causing powerful storms, and sealed itself away to protect people from its power. It was perched in Brass Tower. Lugia is said to have ran away in fear when the tower burned down, but something like Lugia shouldn't fear the storm; unless it had an ulterior motive. 150 years ago, Lugia accidentally caused a storm that destroyed the Brass Tower, burning it down. Remorseful for what it did, Lugia ran away to hide its power in Whirl Islands. Eventually, you would capture it and because the Pokeballs are [[PowerLimiter power limiters]], Lugia is free from its burden. This is the reason why Lugia and Ho-oh are both able to give access to the Beast Trio in ORAS; Ho-oh created them, and Lugia is the reason why they were resurrected in the first place.
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** Too soon? When would the first hostile use of a weapon capable of ''[[ApocalyspeHow murdering]] [[WorldWarIII civilization]]'' ever be allowed to be taken lightly?! This'll be in bad taste until humanity has ended.

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** Too soon? When would the first hostile use of a weapon capable of ''[[ApocalyspeHow ''[[ApocalypseHow murdering]] [[WorldWarIII civilization]]'' ever be allowed to be taken lightly?! This'll be in bad taste until humanity has ended.




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* The Delta Episode in [=ORAS=] basically confirms that the Pokémon series runs on a multiverse. While it was mainly in relation to [=ORAS=] and the original [=RSE=], why not extend the reach a little and include the first two gens in this, too?

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