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These entities assist Igor in the Velvet Room.

* At first, this troper dismissed this theory, since the Kirijo Group's experiments on Shadows predate the events of both IS and EP, but then realised that the timeline split happened in 1989 at the latest. The Kirijo Group's experiments started 14 years before the events of [[VideoGame/Persona3 P3]] - '''1995''', six years into This Side at least. What's to say these experiments took place on the Other Side? After all, the events of P3 are impossible on the Other Side for obvious reasons, the whole "the moon is the physical shell of an EldritchAbomination" thing could only be true if reality was as malleable as it ended up becoming in IS, and the IS-EP timeline changes long predate the actual events of the game; it could easily be the case that the experiments were impossible on the Other Side because it didn't have a semi-negated alternate timeline leaking into it.

* At first, this troper dismissed this theory, since the Kirijo Group's experiments on Shadows predate the events of both IS and EP, but then realised that the timeline split happened in 1989 at the latest. The Kirijo Group's experiments started 14 years before the events of [[VideoGame/Persona3 P3]] - '''1995''', six years into This Side at least. What's to say these experiments took place on the Other Side? After all, the events of P3 are impossible on the Other Side for obvious reasons, the Shadow Selves in IS are the result of clashing rumours, and the IS-EP timeline changes long predate the actual events of the game; it could easily be the case that the experiments were only possible on This Side because the Other Side didn't have a semi-negated alternate timeline leaking into it.

The Grand Cross of 1999, which marks the end of Innocent Sin, takes place on August 17th. Summer break starts around July 20th. Unless it takes place during summer school, which is unlikely considering how Tatsuya skips all the time, there has to have been a 28 day period in between. Eternal Punishment probably is around the same time, considering how fast it takes to level up.

The students who say they called the Joker got wishes like good grades, which they are grateful for but also could have gotten on their own. The Masked Four really support the Joker because he granted impossible wishes that they are extremely grateful for. Lady Scorpio/Anna got healed from her injuries from a hit and run. Prince Taurus/Ginji got his career back, and given his reputation no one would have accepted him without Joker's interference. Queen Aquarius/[[spoiler: Junko Kurosu]] got her youth back, which really is impossible. King Leo didn't seem to have a wish and is the exception.

Not every Persona 3 Persona user, just the ones in the right age range and would plausibly be in elementary school in the city at the time (Yukari, Junpei, and Minato/Minako all were said to have moved around before). All of those schoolkids got a Persona but never used them. And then [[spoiler: that whole thing with reversing time and the Other Side happened.]] Those kids still had residual Personas from the Other Side, but couldn't use them normally. Hence the need for Evokers. As for the other characters with Personas... maybe they played the Persona game on the Other Side (still doesn't explain Koromaru)? The Persona 4 characters didn't need their Other counterparts to play the Persona game because they faced their Shadows in the TV world. This is why in P 3 it's rare to have a Persona and it isn't explained where they come from, but in P 4 it's possible to gain one.

Some things don't make complete sense without some inference, namely that [[spoiler: Lisa and Eikichi say they locked Tatsuya in with Maya into the shrine, when the flashback shows Tatsuya on the outside as Sudou burns the shrine and the fact that they know Tatsuya survived the incident without thinking Maya did.]] Here's probably what happened: [[spoiler: the original shrine had a window just big enough for Tatsuya to fit through but too small for Maya. Maya lifted Tatsuya through the window so that he could get help or open the shrine from the outside, but Sudou beat him up and set the shrine on fire.]]

The way everyone talks about the Other Side in EP, it's obviously not just a timeline that was rewound and started over again - it's a parallel reality that left something behind when it was collapsed in on itself. Thanks to the events of P2, with Philemon and Nyarlathotep severely weakened, the proximity of the Other Side is still having an adverse effect on This Side despite the measures taken to make sure it goes away. As a result, the essence of a dying alternate reality has been leaking into This Side, changing the nature of magic and the power of persona - it's why demons have faded away to be replaced by shadows, and the occasional EldritchLocation is cropping up on its own. The Midnight Channel in particular is the very substance of the dying Other Side, made so malleable to the collective and individual will because it's unable to hold itself together.

As Nyarlathotep recites the legend, blood poured endlessly from Jesus when he was stabbed. Nothing is said about the Spear doing that to anyone, just it doing that to Jesus. Therefore for the Spear to be that effective, Maya has to be Jesus Christ in some way.

[[WMG: Ellen's Stalker is a distant ancestor of [[{{Persona4}} Mitsuo Kubo]].]]

** The stalker that appears in the dungeon was an illusion, but he was based on Eriko's memories of the actual guy.

'''[[{{Clue}} Colonel Mustard]]''': In the hall, with the revolver.

** That...actually makes a lot of sense. What's the best way to prevent the people from Persona 2 from looking too deeply into those memories? Make them play it off as being influence by the game! Add in that Nanjou has the funds to push this game through, and it becomes even more likely!

** {{Jossed}}. He's an illusion.

* Both of them [[NoSocialSkills have no social skills]], are AxCrazy and have a similar appearance (though Mitsuo is somewhat neater and doesn't have the stalker's [[RedEyesTakeWarning red eyes]]). Perhaps it's InTheBlood?

**** Except the returning P1 characters are all around 20 during the events of P2. (I'm pretty sure Nanjo and Elly are 20. Yukino might be a bit older.) Please don't make things up to support a jossed theory.

*** Actually, considering SchoolUniformsAreTheNewBlack, it's more than likely that they weren't at school in the flashback. How long ago was it? Where did Naoya go? They seemed about 17 in Persona, so around 20 in the flashback. This means Naoya could technically already have a son, or could at least be a father that year, so as long as it was 18 years ago, this part of the theory is correct.

** True. (Um, now what?)

** And everyone gets a job and Brad becomes famous in 3 years.

* How can Tatsuya be Naoya's son? Tatsuya's 18, and P2 happens 3 years after P1 ends.

He doesn't have a future in Persona, only a ShrugOfGod. This is more than likely.

[[WMG: [[Persona3 Innocent Sin Online]] is based on Persona 2, and they take place in the same universe]]

[[WMG: Tatsuya is the [[{{Persona Naoya's]] son]]

There is much evidence for and little against most of the suspects. What other wild theories may exist among the court? Speak!

* The case for: After having murdered Mr.Boddy, his associate Mr.Kashihara, away at a business trip overseas happened to see just a little too much.
* The case against: Doesn't exist in the persona games, but this is a series in which Hitler was a mayan sorceror bent on destroying the world, so anything could happen.

* The case against: It is not in the policy of this court to take the word of ghosts as evidence, and police have been wrong before. It's possible, even likely, that Kashihara killed himself, but we must look at all possibilities.