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Who really killed Kashihara?
The unfortunate death of Mr Kashihara ten years ago was never fully resolved. Now, ladies, gentlemen, and anyone else who wants to come along, let us look at all the suspects and determine the murderer.

The Last Battalion: Hitler's contingent of soldiers that escaped to Antarctica after WWII. Accused by Mrs Okamura.
  • The case for: The Nazis also wanted to control the revelations in the Mayian Oracle and to keep their own existance from being leaked to the outside world. Though Kashihara had no desire to publish In Laqetti, they could still want some insurance.
  • The case against: They literally did not exist until the publication of In Laqetti made them real through the power of rumours. There's no way they could've done anything ten years ago. Okamura is crazypants.

Junko Kashihara: Famous actress and the victim's wife.
  • The case for: That Junko didn't care for her husband is a matter of public record. Trapped by a marriage to a conspiracy theorist husband who she thought was cheating on her...it's not hard to see how jealousy and rage could drive her to murder.
  • The case against: There's no hard evidence connecting her to the crime scene. Just disliking someone isn't enough to build a murder case around.

Maya Okamura: Fellow teacher with Kashihara and co-conspirator to write down In Laqetti.
  • The case for: Crazy and in love with Kashihara. On the testimony of one Detective Kuzunoha, Kashihara did not return said affections. Much like Junko, Okamura could easily turn to murder, and even has. She blamed The Last Battalion even though there's no way they could've done it; possibly delusions stemming from the dissonance of having killed the man she loved? She has means and motive.
  • The case against: But possibly not the will. Before her final breakdown Okamura really did want to see Kashihara live and protect the world from the dangers in the Oracle. She has the capacity to be a murderer, but perhaps she didn't then.

Nyarlathotep: Anthropomorphic personification of humanity's dark side.
  • The case for: He has the will, means and motive. Shapeshifting and teleportation alone assure an easy way to lure the victim and to get away afterwards. It was useful for Nyarlathotep for Kashihara to be dead for his plans, and he's never been shy about killing people for his goals.
  • The case against: Yeah, he pretty much arranged the whole thing. The ultimate cause of Kashihara's death is entirely the fault of the Crawling Chaos. However, it's not certain that he did the physical deed himself. It's just not Nyarlathotep's style to reveal himself openly until the end. Influencing people towards destruction and using catspaws is more his line, leaving the physical act to one of the other suspects. Also, it's difficult to arrest and hold anthropomorphic personifications.

Akinari Kashihara: World history teacher at Seven Sister's High School, the victim.
  • The case for: A wife that didn't love him and a son that was ashamed combined with a desire to save the school by preventing the Oracle make a strong case for a hopeless and desperate man ready to take his own life. The police at the time also ruled it a suicide, and hos ghost talks about 'wanting to be sure'.
  • The case against: It is not in the policy of this court to take the word of ghosts as evidence, and police have been wrong before. It's possible, even likely, that Kashihara killed himself, but we must look at all possibilities.

Colonel Mustard: In the hall, with the revolver.
  • The case for: After having murdered Mr.Boddy, the stubborn colonel noticed Boddy's associate Mr.Kashihara who met with Mr.Boddy regarding important business matters under the disguise of a business trip. Unfortunately, Mr.Kashihara saw just a little too much...
  • The case against: Doesn't exist in the persona games, but this is a series in which Hitler was a Mayan Sorceror armed with the spear that pierced the side of Christ so this theory can be plausible.

There is much evidence for and little against most of the suspects. What other wild theories may exist among the court? Speak!

Innocent Sin Online is based on Persona 2, and they take place in the same universe

We've just been playing the PS version. Whereas in P3 universe, the adventure became known at some point, and was recorded in Innocent Sin Online.
  • That...actually makes a lot of sense. What's the best way to prevent the people from Persona 2 from looking too deeply into those memories? Make them play it off as them being influenced by the game! Add in that Nanjou has the funds to push this game through, and it becomes even more likely!
  • Also, the game is being cancelled because the plot is too crazy and implausible. But it served its purpose long enough.

Tatsuya is Naoya's son

He doesn't have a future in Persona, only a Shrug of God. This is more than likely.
  • How can Tatsuya be Naoya's son? Tatsuya's 18, and P2 happens 3 years after P1 ends.
    • And everyone gets a job and Brad becomes famous in 3 years.
    • True. (Um, now what?)
      • Actually, considering School Uniforms Are the New Black, it's more than likely that they weren't at school in the flashback. How long ago was it? Where did Naoya go? They seemed about 17 in Persona, so around 20 in the flashback. This means Naoya could technically already have a son, or could at least be a father that year, so as long as it was 18 years ago, this part of the theory is correct.
        • Except the returning P1 characters are all around 20 during the events of P2. (I'm pretty sure Nanjo and Elly are 20. Yukino might be a bit older.) Please don't make things up to support a jossed theory.

Ellen's Stalker is a distant ancestor of Mitsuo Kubo.

  • Both of them have no social skills, are Ax-Crazy and have a similar appearance (though Mitsuo is somewhat neater and doesn't have the stalker's red eyes). Perhaps it's In the Blood?
    • Jossed. He's an illusion.
    • The stalker that appears in the dungeon was an illusion, but he was based on Eriko's memories of the actual guy.

Philemon's "Death" was planned by him as a way to seal Nyarlothep and win the Bet

IF Philemon is the representation of a part of the human subconcious then he is linked to nyarlothep as he is linked to him, the only way to stop nyarlothep is to kill philemon, hence why his drastic actions, from erasing the people memory to taunting tatsuya the whole point is to weaken and Seal nyarlothep, persona 5 will tell if this worked or not

Maya is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ

As Nyarlathotep recites the legend, blood poured endlessly from Jesus when he was stabbed. Nothing is said about the Spear doing that to anyone, just it doing that to Jesus. Therefore for the Spear to be that effective, Maya has to be Jesus Christ in some way.

The Other Side enables the shadows, Tartarus, and the Midnight Channel of the later games
The way everyone talks about the Other Side in EP, it's obviously not just a timeline that was rewound and started over again - it's a parallel reality that left something behind when it was collapsed in on itself. Thanks to the events of P2, with Philemon and Nyarlathotep severely weakened, the proximity of the Other Side is still having an adverse effect on This Side despite the measures taken to make sure it goes away. As a result, the essence of a dying alternate reality has been leaking into This Side, changing the nature of magic and the power of persona - it's why demons have faded away to be replaced by shadows, and the occasional Eldritch Location is cropping up on its own. The Midnight Channel in particular is the very substance of the dying Other Side, made so malleable to the collective and individual will because it's unable to hold itself together.
  • Adding to that, all of the Persona users on the Other Side are the hyper powerful shadows or superbosses. The Reaper is a former playable character.

Concerning the Shrine incident ten years ago
Some things don't make complete sense without some inference, namely that Lisa and Eikichi say they locked Tatsuya in with Maya into the shrine, when the flashback shows Tatsuya on the outside as Sudou burns the shrine and the fact that they know Tatsuya survived the incident without thinking Maya did. Here's probably what happened: the original shrine had a window just big enough for Tatsuya to fit through but too small for Maya. Maya lifted Tatsuya through the window so that he could get help or open the shrine from the outside, but Sudou beat him up and set the shrine on fire.

The kids Maya taught the Persona game to in Innocent Sin include some Persona 3 characters
Not every Persona 3 Persona user, just the ones in the right age range and would plausibly be in elementary school in the city at the time (Yukari, Junpei, and Minato/Minako all were said to have moved around before). All of those schoolkids got a Persona but never used them. And then that whole thing with reversing time and the Other Side happened. Those kids still had residual Personas from the Other Side, but couldn't use them normally. Hence the need for Evokers. As for the other characters with Personas... maybe they played the Persona game on the Other Side (still doesn't explain Koromaru)? The Persona 4 characters didn't need their Other counterparts to play the Persona game because facing their Shadows in the TV world gets you a Persona, potential or no. This is why in P 3 it's rare to have a Persona and it isn't explained where they come from, but in P 4 it's possible to gain one no matter who you are.

The Masked Four were chosen as executives because their wishes couldn't be achieved on their own
The students who say they called the Joker got wishes like good grades, which they are grateful for but also could have gotten on their own. The Masked Four really support the Joker because he granted impossible wishes that they are extremely grateful for. Lady Scorpio/Anna got healed from her injuries from a hit and run. Prince Taurus/Ginji got his career back, and given his reputation no one would have accepted him without Joker's interference. Queen Aquarius/ Junko Kurosu got her youth back, which really is impossible. King Leo didn't seem to have a wish and is the exception.