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----[[WMG: Gnarl's true allegiance]]
->'''Gnarl:''' But one day, his power too may come to an end, for there are many things that seek to bring down an overlord. Some come from the darkest pits. Some from the shiniest cities! Whilst others are merely... biding their time. Because evil always finds a way...
Cue the maniacal cackling that seems a little too enthusiastic. Proof that Gnarl wants to take the Overlord's power for himself? No. See, one of the first things Gnarl says in the first game is that he is a 'devoted servant of darkness.' He's not a servant of the Overlord. He's not interested in taking the power for himself. If you notice, the games start at the beginning of the Overlord's rise to power, and end immediately after the Overlord's dark domain is secured (or, in the case of the Third Overlord, after he gets locked in the Infernal Abyss). The truth is, the 'darkness' Gnarl serves is a force of change. Evil should never be complacent. It should always be about the rise to power, and it should never be about being comfortable on the throne. Gnarl probably orchestrated the fall of the Overlord who possessed the Wizard. Gnarl was probably the one who taught the jester the spells to open the doorways to the Infernal Abyss. Gnarl will almost certainly be responsible for whatever calamity kicks the Overlad off his throne. Oh, sure, he'll be there to advise and help the Overlord (whoever that might be at the time) in his rise to power, but the moment they become complacent and stop venturing out to conquer the lands in the name of EVIL, then as far as Gnarl is concerned, they stop being evil. Instead, they start being lazy... and Evil always finds a way.

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[[WMG: The eight hero was never that heroic.]]
Why else would his companions abandon him and leave him for dead? Their later corruption was due to their personal fatal flaws, but it doesn't seem to be in the nature of any of them to betray a friend. Perhaps he was the TokenEvilTeammate, and they decided he was too much of a liability when they were getting so close to reaching their goal, so they decided not to revive him.
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** Weren't the titular DungeonKeeper extraplanar beings? Also, they were kinda incorporeal (requiring the dungeon heart to manifest any power). One would wonder how the transition from underground spirit to above ground tower dwelling armored figure took place. Then again, the original overlord DID survive the destruction of his body and manage to possess the wizard, then the jester. Perhaps there is truth to this WMG.

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** Weren't the titular DungeonKeeper ''VideoGame/DungeonKeeper'' extraplanar beings? Also, they were kinda incorporeal (requiring the dungeon heart to manifest any power). One would wonder how the transition from underground spirit to above ground tower dwelling armored figure took place. Then again, the original overlord DID survive the destruction of his body and manage to possess the wizard, then the jester. Perhaps there is truth to this WMG.
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[[WMG: Kelda is descended from werewolf, or even is one herself.]]
She has a nigh unnatural knack with (and an obvious fascination) with wolves, and belonging to a race (or even a family that belongs to) who was presumably as badly persecuted by the Glorious Empire as any other magical one might explain her sympathy for the Overlad. Not that there's any implication in the game that werewolves actually exist, but hey, FantasyKitchenSink.
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[[WMG: Overlord III will feature a stage where you have to defend your tower from a siege]]
The one thing missing in the games was having to defend the tower, which was previously located in either Mordor or AnotherDimension. In the third game, either your subjects will rebel against you and lay siege to your tower requiring you to send minions to siege engines like the catapults in Overlord II, or demons/monsters will teleport into chambers of your tower, and you have to slay them as they come out while Gnarl or your mistress acts as MissionControl telling you which room they are in.
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In many ways, The Minions are similar to Pikmin. (e.g. attacking enemies, obeying commands, most of them have an immunity to a particular hazard). They even come in different colors.

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In many ways, The Minions are similar to Pikmin. (e.g. attacking enemies, carrying objects, obeying commands, most of them have an immunity to a particular hazard). They even come in different colors.
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[[WMG: The Minions are distant relatives of Pikmin.]]
In many ways, The Minions are similar to Pikmin. (e.g. attacking enemies, obeying commands, most of them have an immunity to a particular hazard). They even come in different colors.
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Kahn was the warrior, Jewel was the thief, Sir William was the pally, Goldo was the ranger, Oberon was the priest, the Wizard was the sorcerer, Melvin was the bard, and [[spoiler: the Overlord]] was the wizard's apprentice.

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Kahn was the warrior, Jewel was the thief, Sir William was the pally, paladin, Goldo was the ranger, Oberon was the priest, the Wizard was the sorcerer, Melvin was the bard, and [[spoiler: the Overlord]] was the wizard's apprentice.
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* The Overlord could have been a Magus, a MagicKnight who wears armor while still being able to effectively cast spells.

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* The Overlord could have been a Magus, a MagicKnight who wears heavy armor while still being able to effectively cast spells.
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** DK is never entirely clear on whether the Keeper has a true physical presence (the Mentor [[RuleOfFunny joked back and forth on the subject]], as far as I recall) but he could at the very least possess creatures, so he may have simply been possessing one in the fight. Or perhaps having a physical form was necessary in his escape from the underworld. In fact, given the nature of the Keeper as established in DK, I suppose the ruination of the ''tower'' would have been the thing that shattered his power. Presumably he was only able to survive to possess the Wizard thanks to the tower heart remaining intact, albeit removed from its socket.

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** DK is never entirely clear on whether the Keeper has a true physical presence (the Mentor [[RuleOfFunny joked back and forth on the subject]], as far as I recall) but he could at the very least possess creatures, so he may have simply been possessing one in the fight. Or perhaps having a physical form was necessary in his escape from the underworld. In fact, given the nature of the Keeper as established in DK, I suppose the ruination of the ''tower'' would have been the thing that shattered his power. Presumably he was only able to survive to possess the Wizard thanks to the tower heart remaining intact, albeit removed from its socket.



* Considering both are [[HeroicMime Villainous Mimes]], I can already see situation:

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* And now I can't help but imagine [[CloudCuckooLander Elan]] from OrderOfTheStick becoming the next BigBad after they take down Xykon. And it would be hilarious.

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* And now I can't help but imagine [[CloudCuckooLander Elan]] from OrderOfTheStick Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick becoming the next BigBad after they take down Xykon. And it would be hilarious.



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* Alternatively, Khan was the barbarian/berserker, the Overlord was the fighter.
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-->''Elan: Crush, crush, crush the rebelling peasants.''

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-->''Elan: -->'''Elan:''' Crush, crush, crush the rebelling peasants.''
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** Well, given the true identity of his father he'd definitely be continuing the family tradition if he did.
-->''Elan: Crush, crush, crush the rebelling peasants.''
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In Overlord1's expansion, [[spoiler: the Overlord is trapped in the Abyss]]. Over time, he becomes less of a Guy In Armored Suit (which isn't practical for The Abyss) and more of an EldritchAbomination, a form that simply works better. Unable to return to the Real World in any practical matter, the Overlord settles for an intermediary: the underground dungeons of Dungeon Keeper. He becomes the Dungeon Keeper, and the Dungeon Heart is what the Overlord magically-evolved into. It makes [[FridgeBrilliance perfect sense]] within the mechanics of Dungeon Keeper: Where do all your minions in Dungeon Keeper come from? Portals, BottomlessPits that actually have a bottom, and that bottom is the Overlordian Abyss. Other Keepers? Bad Guys (and former Overlords) who have done the same thing you have. Horned Demons in DK1 being unruly and difficult? The Overlord-Turned-Dungeon-keeper killed all but one, and brainwashed it into believing it was the BigBad instead of TheDragon it really was. Where did the O-T-D-K get that idea from? Gnarl.

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In Overlord1's expansion, Overlord: Raising Hell, [[spoiler: the Overlord is trapped in the Abyss]]. Over time, he becomes less of a Guy In Armored Suit (which isn't practical for The Abyss) and more of an EldritchAbomination, a form that simply works better. Unable to return to the Real World in any practical matter, the Overlord settles for an intermediary: the underground dungeons of Dungeon Keeper. He becomes the Dungeon Keeper, and the Dungeon Heart is what the Overlord magically-evolved into. It makes [[FridgeBrilliance perfect sense]] within the mechanics of Dungeon Keeper: Where do all your minions in Dungeon Keeper come from? Portals, BottomlessPits that actually have a bottom, and that bottom is the Overlordian Abyss. Other Keepers? Bad Guys (and former Overlords) who have done the same thing you have. Horned Demons in DK1 being unruly and difficult? The Overlord-Turned-Dungeon-keeper killed all but one, and brainwashed it into believing it was the BigBad instead of TheDragon it really was. Where did the O-T-D-K get that idea from? Gnarl.
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** Rhianna Pratchett who is responsible for it's story was a writer for the gaming magazine PCZone UK for a fairly long period of time so it's pretty much a dead cert' that there's at least a small amount of creative inspiration from Dungeon Keeper.

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** Rhianna Pratchett who is responsible for it's story was a writer for the gaming magazine PCZone PC Zone UK for a fairly long period of time so it's pretty much a dead cert' that there's at least a small amount of creative inspiration from Dungeon Keeper.
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* [[Nodwick: Or *Or a henchman]]henchman.
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[[WMG: The classes for the eight heroes are:]]
Kahn was the warrior, Jewel was the thief, Sir William was the pally, Goldo was the ranger, Oberon was the priest, the Wizard was the sorcerer, Melvin was the bard, and [[spoiler: the Overlord]] was the wizard's apprentice.

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[[WMG: Summoner wraiths in raising hell were old overlords.]]
* The forgotten god seemed much more interested in punishing fallen heroes than out and out evil people, it seems likely that the robed wraits (reapers?) were old overlords. Point 1.) They have the appearance of minions, this may seem a bit odd, but it's also a tad ironic, since wraiths serve the fallen god, it would be fitting for them to be turned into minions, the master becoming the servant. Point 2.) They have the ability to summon more wraith thralls on command, though their control is lacking, they're basically generals calling on an infinite supply to serve them, much like yourself. Point 3.) Kill one and watch how they die, this is the strongest thing that points to them being old overlords, they die exactly how all three playable overlords die in the series (A yellow light opens beneath them and drag them in).
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** Notice how you can target anyone in the castle for abuse, even your own mistresses, except Gnarl?

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** Notice how you can target anyone in the castle for abuse, even your own mistresses, except Gnarl?Gnarl? His illusion of subservience is thin at best; he uses the imperative freely enough to earn a stomped throat from a real tyrant, yet you can't do anything to remind him of his place.
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** Notice how you can target anyone in the castle for abuse, even your own mistresses, except Gnarl?

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[[WMG: Overlord is a ''prequel'' to the Dungeon Keeper series]]
In Overlord1's expansion, [[spoiler: the Overlord is trapped in the Abyss]]. Over time, he becomes less of a Guy In Armored Suit (which isn't practical for The Abyss) and more of an EldritchAbomination, a form that simply works better. Unable to return to the Real World in any practical matter, the Overlord settles for an intermediary: the underground dungeons of Dungeon Keeper. He becomes the Dungeon Keeper, and the Dungeon Heart is what the Overlord magically-evolved into. It makes [[FridgeBrilliance perfect sense]] within the mechanics of Dungeon Keeper: Where do all your minions in Dungeon Keeper come from? Portals, BottomlessPits that actually have a bottom, and that bottom is the Overlordian Abyss. Other Keepers? Bad Guys (and former Overlords) who have done the same thing you have. Horned Demons in DK1 being unruly and difficult? The Overlord-Turned-Dungeon-keeper killed all but one, and brainwashed it into believing it was the BigBad instead of TheDragon it really was. Where did the O-T-D-K get that idea from? Gnarl.
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[[WMG: Overlord serves as "queen" to minions.]]
They can't process life norce naturally,they are from netherworld originally, they need to run it trough Overlord first. In exchange of Overlord providing this processing effect, minions offer unconditional loyalty. Think bees with more hardcore queen instead. Overlord "spawns" new minions by converting standard life force into minion life force. Thus reason why minions seek new Overlords and guide them to "evil" path is that they need new "Queen/King" to collect this life force to spawn new minions. Gnarl only serves as temporal "hive mind", since he can think, but can't process life force. Alternativly, Gnarl is some former Overlord who eventualy turned into minion himself after years of collecting and processing life force. Also, now you think Overlord and Overlad as crossdressers.

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[[WMG: Overlord serves Overlords serve as a "queen" to minions.]]
They can't process life norce naturally,they are from netherworld originally, they force naturally, due to their domain in the Netherworld. They need to run it trough through Overlord first. In exchange of for the Overlord providing this processing effect, minions offer unconditional loyalty. Think bees with a more hardcore queen instead. queen. The Overlord "spawns" new minions by converting standard life force into minion life force. Thus Thus, the reason why minions seek new Overlords and guide them to the "evil" path is that they need new "Queen/King" to collect this life force to spawn new minions. Gnarl only serves as temporal "hive mind", since he can think, but can't process life force. Alternativly, Alternatively, Gnarl is some former Overlord who eventualy eventually turned into minion himself after years of collecting and processing life force. Also, now you think of Overlord and Overlad as crossdressers.
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* It would also explain why he is a MagicKnight and can cast spells in armor (yes, I know technically D&D Bards can only cast spells in light armor but it's close enough).

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[[WMG: Overlord serves as "queen" to minions.]]
They can't process life norce naturally,they are from netherworld originally, they need to run it trough Overlord first. In exchange of Overlord providing this processing effect, minions offer unconditional loyalty. Think bees with more hardcore queen instead. Overlord "spawns" new minions by converting standard life force into minion life force. Thus reason why minions seek new Overlords and guide them to "evil" path is that they need new "Queen/King" to collect this life force to spawn new minions. Gnarl only serves as temporal "hive mind", since he can think, but can't process life force. Alternativly, Gnarl is some former Overlord who eventualy turned into minion himself after years of collecting and processing life force. Also, now you think Overlord and Overlad as crossdressers.
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* Considering both are [[HeroicMime Villanius Mimes]], I can already see situation:
-->''(Both overlord just stare at each other.) Gnarl: Gamily meetings are always akward''

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* Considering both are [[HeroicMime Villanius Villainous Mimes]], I can already see situation:
-->''(Both overlord just stare at each other.) Gnarl: Gamily Family meetings are always akward''



* Don't forget that in both game he fairly early on gets you to get a mistress to help keep you pleasently distracted.
** That or he's trying to start a continuous lineage so he doesn't have to bust his ass into finding an Overlord everytime one dies.
*** Makes sense. So far we have seen that all Overlords prior 4th have mroe or less "accidentaly" become Overlord. 3th was resurected. After he was lost, Gnarl would have easily get new Overlord by raising Overlad, if not for the Rose to run off. Having secured legalcy makes it more easy to get new Overlord to work with him, since "he has always been there".

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* Don't forget that in both game he fairly early on gets you to get a mistress to help keep you pleasently pleasantly distracted.
** That or he's trying to start a continuous lineage so he doesn't have to bust his ass into finding an Overlord everytime every time one dies.
*** Makes sense. So far we have seen that all Overlords prior 4th have mroe more or less "accidentaly" "accidentally" become Overlord. 3th was resurected.resurrected. After he was lost, Gnarl would have easily get new Overlord by raising Overlad, if not for the Rose to run off. Having secured legalcy legacy makes it more easy to get new Overlord to work with him, since "he has always been there".



The heroes who survived the battle and became corrupted had to number seven for the deadly sins theme,but this also gave us a quite large and well balanced party with all the roles filled,assuming the paladin could provide the necessary amount of healing,but there's always room for the traditional bard sure the nameless former hero could have had the same class as one of his mates but I just find it funny that in the words of another bard "the guy who goes into a dungeon and sings" ends up ruler of all the land.
And if you don't fancy bards introduce another obscure,"should be big time in my opinion" class in its place like a warlock or factotum.

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The heroes who survived the battle and became corrupted had to number seven for the deadly sins theme,but this also gave us a quite large and well balanced party with all the roles filled,assuming filled, assuming the paladin could provide the necessary amount of healing,but healing, but there's always room for the traditional bard sure bard. Sure the nameless former hero could have had the same class as one of his mates mates, but I just find it funny that that, in the words of another bard bard, "the guy who goes into a dungeon and sings" ends up ruler of all the land.
And if you don't fancy bards bards, introduce another obscure,"should be big time in my opinion" class in its place like a warlock or factotum.
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* And now I can't help but imagine [[CloudCuckooLander Elan]] from OrderOfTheStick becoming the next BigBad after they take down Xykon. And it would be hilarious.

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