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* Confirmed. [[spoiler: He was Lucy and is a revolutionary.]]
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* Confirmed. [[spoiler: He was Lucy and is a revolutionary.]]]]
[[WMG: Doflamingo isn't considered a World Noble by the other Nobles anymore...]]
Because he's willing to breathe the same air as his subordinates. It would be perfectly in character for the World Nobles to remove his official standing as a World Noble for something like that.
* Confirmed, though not for the said reason.
[[WMG: Trébol is responsible for the memory-wiping.]]
Thunder Soldier and the Tontattas just put two and two together and guessed that Sugar is responsible for both toy-conversion and memory-wiping. We can take Thunder Soldier to be right about Sugar turning people into toys, as he witnessed it firsthand, but the memory-wiping is indirect, the toys do not feel it happening, and the act seems too disconnected from her power set. Thus, I believe Trébol has a Memory Memory Fruit that allows him to erase and possibly insert memories on a wide scale and that his glop-like appearance is just him being a slob. Trébol is in charge of the Special Powers division of the Doflamingo Pirates, so he must have bizarre, non-combat powers himself, but that he's their leader means he can weaponize the powers he has. I would also bet that Trébol has the ability to ''insert'' memories too--together, it would make for an incredibly dangerous Devil Fruit ability even in the hands of someone with no physical ability to fight.
* Jossed, everyone memories returned as soon as Sugar knocked out.
[[WMG: [[spoiler:The guy causing Luffy's epic reaction face in chapter 731...]] ]]
[[spoiler:...is Sabo.]]
* Isn't this canon already?!
[[WMG: There will soon be a flashback to Law's backstory with Doflamingo.]]
Calling it right now, we are soon going to learn why Law hates Doffy so much.
* Confirmed of course, did you expect any less?
[[WMG: The Thunder Soldier was able to convince Dressrosa of King Riku's innocence]]
Prior to becoming a toy, the Thunder Soldier (or someone like him) was able to convince the general population of Dressrosa of King Riku's innocence and Doflamingo's manipulation. Doffy couldn't have that. Just killing him wouldn't undo what had been done but giving him to Sugar ''would.'' Once he was a toy everyone forgot him, and everything he'd convinced them of. Once Sugar's powers are reversed, however, everyone in Dressrosa will remember the truth.
* Confirmed for the last part.
[[WMG: The one in Lucy's battle gear is [[spoiler:Sabo]].]]
Considering the internal dialogue at the end of the newest chapter, I thought this might be a possibility. I don't know if mentioning that character is a spoiler in himself, but I did just to be safe.
* Should we move this to the confirmed section?Considering it's blatantly obvious?
* Only if and when we see who's under that helmet. Then both of us can say IKnewIt.
* Sure. It was [[BlatantLies Mr. 2 Bon Clay]]
[[WMG: Doflamingo isn't considered a World Noble by the other Nobles anymore...]]
Because he's willing to breathe the same air as his subordinates. It would be perfectly in character for the World Nobles to remove his official standing as a World Noble for something like that.
* Confirmed, though not for the said reason.
[[WMG: Trébol is responsible for the memory-wiping.]]
Thunder Soldier and the Tontattas just put two and two together and guessed that Sugar is responsible for both toy-conversion and memory-wiping. We can take Thunder Soldier to be right about Sugar turning people into toys, as he witnessed it firsthand, but the memory-wiping is indirect, the toys do not feel it happening, and the act seems too disconnected from her power set. Thus, I believe Trébol has a Memory Memory Fruit that allows him to erase and possibly insert memories on a wide scale and that his glop-like appearance is just him being a slob. Trébol is in charge of the Special Powers division of the Doflamingo Pirates, so he must have bizarre, non-combat powers himself, but that he's their leader means he can weaponize the powers he has. I would also bet that Trébol has the ability to ''insert'' memories too--together, it would make for an incredibly dangerous Devil Fruit ability even in the hands of someone with no physical ability to fight.
* Jossed, everyone memories returned as soon as Sugar knocked out.
[[WMG: [[spoiler:The guy causing Luffy's epic reaction face in chapter 731...]] ]]
[[spoiler:...is Sabo.]]
* Isn't this canon already?!
[[WMG: There will soon be a flashback to Law's backstory with Doflamingo.]]
Calling it right now, we are soon going to learn why Law hates Doffy so much.
* Confirmed of course, did you expect any less?
[[WMG: The Thunder Soldier was able to convince Dressrosa of King Riku's innocence]]
Prior to becoming a toy, the Thunder Soldier (or someone like him) was able to convince the general population of Dressrosa of King Riku's innocence and Doflamingo's manipulation. Doffy couldn't have that. Just killing him wouldn't undo what had been done but giving him to Sugar ''would.'' Once he was a toy everyone forgot him, and everything he'd convinced them of. Once Sugar's powers are reversed, however, everyone in Dressrosa will remember the truth.
* Confirmed for the last part.
[[WMG: The one in Lucy's battle gear is [[spoiler:Sabo]].]]
Considering the internal dialogue at the end of the newest chapter, I thought this might be a possibility. I don't know if mentioning that character is a spoiler in himself, but I did just to be safe.
* Should we move this to the confirmed section?Considering it's blatantly obvious?
* Only if and when we see who's under that helmet. Then both of us can say IKnewIt.
* Sure. It was [[BlatantLies Mr. 2 Bon Clay]]
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In this [[http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/682/10 page]] notice that the man who shot Baby 5 wears a top hat like Sabo, wears goggles, and his lower face is concealed (like how the adult Sabo in this [[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130616031849/onepiece/images/thumb/6/69/Adult_Sabo.png/200px-Adult_Sabo.png cover page]] has his eyes covered). And if Sabo is a revolutionary, he could be undercover acting as a ''sabo''teur to Doflamingo's underground dealings, seeing that Dragon is against people who abuse power (like nobles) and Doflamingo is implied to have a connection to the World Nobles.
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In this [[http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/682/10 page]] notice that the man who shot Baby 5 wears a top hat like Sabo, wears goggles, and his lower face is concealed (like how the adult Sabo in this [[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130616031849/onepiece/images/thumb/6/69/Adult_Sabo.png/200px-Adult_Sabo.png cover page]] has his eyes covered). And if Sabo is a revolutionary, he could be undercover acting as a ''sabo''teur to Doflamingo's underground dealings, seeing that Dragon is against people who abuse power (like nobles) and Doflamingo is implied to have a connection to the World Nobles.Nobles.
[[WMG: [[spoiler: SABO LIVES.]] ]]
[[spoiler: [[http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/93580674/1 This may well just be imagery,]] but with Oda...he wouldn't just draw Sabo like that without it being a Chekov's something.]]
* Either that, or [[spoiler:it's a page of characters who'll be dead by the end of the series. SO LUFFY'S GONNA DIE.]]
** Psssh, [[spoiler: Oda wouldn't kill his main character...would he? ...OH DEAR GOD!]]
*** I think it's the end of the people hanging out and start of a What If? line of covers like Zoro with an adult Kuina, Nami and Usopp with their Mothers, etc. Of course, Oda does love to screw with us.
*** As awesome as the above would be, this still doesn't get rid of the suspicion surrounding [[spoiler:adult!Sabo's hat-hidden face]].
**** OH ****! [[spoiler:SABO IS DOFLAMINGO! HE LOOKS LIKE HIM, AT LEAST! THAT SMILE!]]
***** ...oh god. [[FridgeHorror OH GOD!]] IF IT'S [[spoiler: [[LaserGuidedAmnesia], DOFLAMINGO WOULD MAKE PERFECT DANG SENSE!]] THAT'S WHY ODA HID HIS EYES!
*** That's not possible. [[spoiler: Sabo is way too young to be Doflamingo. Doflamingo was shown attending Roger's execution, while Sabo is about the same age as Ace, who wasn't born until after Roger's death]].
*** ...good point...but [[spoiler: if he's not Doflamingo...THEN HE'S BELLAMY!]]
**** No, he was born in the North Blue, and looks a bit older then 20.
**** Looks can be deceiving. *coughKurehacough*
**** Sweet bajeezuz! [[spoiler:Then Luffy ''almost'' killed Sabo? Again?! And then he was killed by Doflamingo! It only gets worse!]]
**** If you think about it, [[spoiler: Sabo would probably be at least SOMEWHAT traumatized by the whole near-death thing. So, over time, his resentment at his first attempt at piracy nearly being the death of him because he wanted to follow his dreams, he gave up on dreaming, dying his hair, going through a growth spurt, and changing his personality to reflect his mindset. Years later, when he saw Luffy, sure, he could've had the memories rush back to him, and he was actually trying to get Luffy to abandon his dreams in order to spare him the same fate he went through. Luffy realizes this, and who Bellamy is, and does NOT like what his friend's become, and shows him by force.]] ...wow, I'm overthinking this.
* Hey, maybe he's Kidd.
** The goggles...Hmm...but the eyes don't match.
* Meybe he's Killer.
* Confirmed. [[spoiler: He was Lucy and is a revolutionary.]]
[[WMG: [[spoiler: SABO LIVES.]] ]]
[[spoiler: [[http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/93580674/1 This may well just be imagery,]] but with Oda...he wouldn't just draw Sabo like that without it being a Chekov's something.]]
* Either that, or [[spoiler:it's a page of characters who'll be dead by the end of the series. SO LUFFY'S GONNA DIE.]]
** Psssh, [[spoiler: Oda wouldn't kill his main character...would he? ...OH DEAR GOD!]]
*** I think it's the end of the people hanging out and start of a What If? line of covers like Zoro with an adult Kuina, Nami and Usopp with their Mothers, etc. Of course, Oda does love to screw with us.
*** As awesome as the above would be, this still doesn't get rid of the suspicion surrounding [[spoiler:adult!Sabo's hat-hidden face]].
**** OH ****! [[spoiler:SABO IS DOFLAMINGO! HE LOOKS LIKE HIM, AT LEAST! THAT SMILE!]]
***** ...oh god. [[FridgeHorror OH GOD!]] IF IT'S [[spoiler: [[LaserGuidedAmnesia], DOFLAMINGO WOULD MAKE PERFECT DANG SENSE!]] THAT'S WHY ODA HID HIS EYES!
*** That's not possible. [[spoiler: Sabo is way too young to be Doflamingo. Doflamingo was shown attending Roger's execution, while Sabo is about the same age as Ace, who wasn't born until after Roger's death]].
*** ...good point...but [[spoiler: if he's not Doflamingo...THEN HE'S BELLAMY!]]
**** No, he was born in the North Blue, and looks a bit older then 20.
**** Looks can be deceiving. *coughKurehacough*
**** Sweet bajeezuz! [[spoiler:Then Luffy ''almost'' killed Sabo? Again?! And then he was killed by Doflamingo! It only gets worse!]]
**** If you think about it, [[spoiler: Sabo would probably be at least SOMEWHAT traumatized by the whole near-death thing. So, over time, his resentment at his first attempt at piracy nearly being the death of him because he wanted to follow his dreams, he gave up on dreaming, dying his hair, going through a growth spurt, and changing his personality to reflect his mindset. Years later, when he saw Luffy, sure, he could've had the memories rush back to him, and he was actually trying to get Luffy to abandon his dreams in order to spare him the same fate he went through. Luffy realizes this, and who Bellamy is, and does NOT like what his friend's become, and shows him by force.]] ...wow, I'm overthinking this.
* Hey, maybe he's Kidd.
** The goggles...Hmm...but the eyes don't match.
* Meybe he's Killer.
* Confirmed. [[spoiler: He was Lucy and is a revolutionary.]]
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* Confirmed.
[[WMG: Sabo is... ]]
-->'''...a Revolutionary.'''
In Chapter 586, Sabo runs into [[spoiler: Dragon]] and confesses that he no longer wants to be a noble. This is supported by a Revolutionary in Chapter 546 (on the cover page) that looks similar to Sabo.
* But Sabo didn't leave with Dragon & Co., was recaptured by his parents, and is now on the verge of being blown up for getting in the way of the Nobles' visit.
* BUT Chap 589 vaguely hints that Dragon picked someone who was heavily injured...Hm...I wonder...
** There's a revolutionary who looks suspiciously like an older Sabo in chapter 593 page 2: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v58/c593/2.html
* I agree, sabo gets shot at way to early in the flash backs- he just cant have died! But if he is alive i hope he's eaten a devil fruit... wonder what he'll look like....
* [[spoiler: In Chapter 731, Luffy meets an as of yet unidentified individual who a. Luffy thought was dead, b. was apparently crying after he saw Luffy, c. has a vested interest in preserving Ace's will, and d. knows Koala, who is a revolutionary. So that's not a guarantee that Sabo is a revolutionary, but it is a damn strong hint he is.]]
* Confirmed. [[spoiler: Not only a revolutionary, but apparently Dragon's second in command.]]
-->'''...Trafalgar Law.'''
They look kindof alike, and it would explain why Law was so eager to save Luffy's life after the [[spoiler: Marines-Whitebeard Pirates war and the death of Ace.]]
* It was said Law was born in North Blue, isn't missing a tooth, and their facial structure is different.
** He might have lied about his origins. He could be an [[OmnidisciplinaryScientist Omnidisciplinary Doctor]] who is also his own dentist and plastic surgeon.
-->'''...Eustass Kid.'''
The goggles. Law is just a distraction; Sabo is a [illegitimate child] now. (Note; differant troper from above ^ ^)
-->'''...Doflamingo.'''
Becoming one of the Seven Warlords of the Sea and screwing around with the Nobels seems like something he'd do if he had the chance.
* Interrelated theories: ''Stelly'' (Sabo's adopted brother) is Doflamingo: Stelly is a bit of a Manipulative[Illegitimate child] and is also the type to screw with the lower-class pirates.
** Impossible. WordOfGod says Doflamingo is 39 years old, so Sabo and Stelly are far too young to be him.
* Sabo did the old "I'm going to do something traitorous and not tell you so you won't get hurt" thing and returns to his Nobel heritage in order to manipulate things from within; Ace and Luffy didn't know about it and disowned him after the "betrayal".
-->'''...going to willingly become a noble.'''
Later on, there will be a meeting between Ace, Luffy and him later in life, in which one of two things happen: he pretends not to notice them so as to please his parents/other nobles, or he grows arrogant and comes to think of them as inferior, shown when Luffy and Ace are in a situation where a royal pardon would come in handy. Either way, it leads to Luffy's beliefs about how TrueCompanions are the most precious things you can have and how betraying them is the worst thing you could do.
** Alternatively, he will have realized that running away from his heritage was cowardice, and he should instead have embraced it and changed things from within, that not all the nobles are bad. He will use his money to help people, perhaps even buy and free slaves, and will generally be the nicest aristocrat you meet in this world.
-->'''...yet another victim of DeathByOriginStory.'''
Not only is he an extremely important character in a flashback, but has anyone else noticed that Luffy's flashbacks are the only ones out of the strawhat crew to not inclued someone close to him dying? Zoro had Kuina, Nami had her adoptive mother, Ussop had his mom, Sanji had the crew of the ship he worked on, Chopper had the doctor, Robin had... basically everyone, but in particular Clover, Saul, and her mother, Franky had Tom, Brook had his entire crew, minus Laboon. So far the worst thing to happen so far to someone close to Luffy (in flashback) is the loss of an arm. A death in Luffy's past is long overdue, and we know without a doubt Ace survived the current flashback. Sabo is doomed.
* Furthermore, Luffy says during the Marineford battle that Ace is "the only brother" he has. Since Sabo, Ace, and Luffy all became brothers during this flashback, we can definitely say that, at the very least, Luffy has reason to think that Sabo is dead.
* The death of the crew from Sanji's ship was not portrayed as particularily tramatic. The main loss seemed to be Zeff's leg. Sanji's flashback death is way overdue too.
-->'''...the {{narrator}}.'''
He says he wants to see the world and write a book about it, thus the whole series is him reading the book.
* I always assumed the series would end with Usopp telling it to a bunch of kids who immediately assume it was just another lie...
-->'''...a Celestial Dragon slave.'''
* It would explain why he never made any effort to contact Luffy or Ace. He was in no position to. He's likely still there, since I think this flashback took place after Fisher Tiger's attack on Marie Jois. Also, after the events on Shabody, Boa Hancock's backstory, and now Luffy's, it's clear that a conflict between the Straw Hats and World Nobles is on the horizon. What better catalyst than for Luffy to learn, right after losing one brother, that the one he thought dead, the one who craved ''freedom'' above all else, has spent the last decade as a slave. A slave whose treatment Luffy got a glimpse of via the Boa sisters. Not to mention as of the last chapter in the present, Luffy is with Trafalgar Law's crew, which has among their number an ex-slave of the Celestial Dragons who partially owes Luffy his freedom, who could very easily be used to point Luffy in that direction if either of them connects the dots.
-->'''...Killer from Kid's crew.'''
Mysterious masked nihilist and bad-ass normal swordsman? The explosion caused laser-guided amnesia and scarred his face which would explain his inaction at Marineford and North Blue origin.
-->'''...the masked steampunk sniper in the Donquixote Pirates'''
In this [[http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/682/10 page]] notice that the man who shot Baby 5 wears a top hat like Sabo, wears goggles, and his lower face is concealed (like how the adult Sabo in this [[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130616031849/onepiece/images/thumb/6/69/Adult_Sabo.png/200px-Adult_Sabo.png cover page]] has his eyes covered). And if Sabo is a revolutionary, he could be undercover acting as a ''sabo''teur to Doflamingo's underground dealings, seeing that Dragon is against people who abuse power (like nobles) and Doflamingo is implied to have a connection to the World Nobles.
[[WMG: Sabo is... ]]
-->'''...a Revolutionary.'''
In Chapter 586, Sabo runs into [[spoiler: Dragon]] and confesses that he no longer wants to be a noble. This is supported by a Revolutionary in Chapter 546 (on the cover page) that looks similar to Sabo.
* But Sabo didn't leave with Dragon & Co., was recaptured by his parents, and is now on the verge of being blown up for getting in the way of the Nobles' visit.
* BUT Chap 589 vaguely hints that Dragon picked someone who was heavily injured...Hm...I wonder...
** There's a revolutionary who looks suspiciously like an older Sabo in chapter 593 page 2: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v58/c593/2.html
* I agree, sabo gets shot at way to early in the flash backs- he just cant have died! But if he is alive i hope he's eaten a devil fruit... wonder what he'll look like....
* [[spoiler: In Chapter 731, Luffy meets an as of yet unidentified individual who a. Luffy thought was dead, b. was apparently crying after he saw Luffy, c. has a vested interest in preserving Ace's will, and d. knows Koala, who is a revolutionary. So that's not a guarantee that Sabo is a revolutionary, but it is a damn strong hint he is.]]
* Confirmed. [[spoiler: Not only a revolutionary, but apparently Dragon's second in command.]]
-->'''...Trafalgar Law.'''
They look kindof alike, and it would explain why Law was so eager to save Luffy's life after the [[spoiler: Marines-Whitebeard Pirates war and the death of Ace.]]
* It was said Law was born in North Blue, isn't missing a tooth, and their facial structure is different.
** He might have lied about his origins. He could be an [[OmnidisciplinaryScientist Omnidisciplinary Doctor]] who is also his own dentist and plastic surgeon.
-->'''...Eustass Kid.'''
The goggles. Law is just a distraction; Sabo is a [illegitimate child] now. (Note; differant troper from above ^ ^)
-->'''...Doflamingo.'''
Becoming one of the Seven Warlords of the Sea and screwing around with the Nobels seems like something he'd do if he had the chance.
* Interrelated theories: ''Stelly'' (Sabo's adopted brother) is Doflamingo: Stelly is a bit of a Manipulative[Illegitimate child] and is also the type to screw with the lower-class pirates.
** Impossible. WordOfGod says Doflamingo is 39 years old, so Sabo and Stelly are far too young to be him.
* Sabo did the old "I'm going to do something traitorous and not tell you so you won't get hurt" thing and returns to his Nobel heritage in order to manipulate things from within; Ace and Luffy didn't know about it and disowned him after the "betrayal".
-->'''...going to willingly become a noble.'''
Later on, there will be a meeting between Ace, Luffy and him later in life, in which one of two things happen: he pretends not to notice them so as to please his parents/other nobles, or he grows arrogant and comes to think of them as inferior, shown when Luffy and Ace are in a situation where a royal pardon would come in handy. Either way, it leads to Luffy's beliefs about how TrueCompanions are the most precious things you can have and how betraying them is the worst thing you could do.
** Alternatively, he will have realized that running away from his heritage was cowardice, and he should instead have embraced it and changed things from within, that not all the nobles are bad. He will use his money to help people, perhaps even buy and free slaves, and will generally be the nicest aristocrat you meet in this world.
-->'''...yet another victim of DeathByOriginStory.'''
Not only is he an extremely important character in a flashback, but has anyone else noticed that Luffy's flashbacks are the only ones out of the strawhat crew to not inclued someone close to him dying? Zoro had Kuina, Nami had her adoptive mother, Ussop had his mom, Sanji had the crew of the ship he worked on, Chopper had the doctor, Robin had... basically everyone, but in particular Clover, Saul, and her mother, Franky had Tom, Brook had his entire crew, minus Laboon. So far the worst thing to happen so far to someone close to Luffy (in flashback) is the loss of an arm. A death in Luffy's past is long overdue, and we know without a doubt Ace survived the current flashback. Sabo is doomed.
* Furthermore, Luffy says during the Marineford battle that Ace is "the only brother" he has. Since Sabo, Ace, and Luffy all became brothers during this flashback, we can definitely say that, at the very least, Luffy has reason to think that Sabo is dead.
* The death of the crew from Sanji's ship was not portrayed as particularily tramatic. The main loss seemed to be Zeff's leg. Sanji's flashback death is way overdue too.
-->'''...the {{narrator}}.'''
He says he wants to see the world and write a book about it, thus the whole series is him reading the book.
* I always assumed the series would end with Usopp telling it to a bunch of kids who immediately assume it was just another lie...
-->'''...a Celestial Dragon slave.'''
* It would explain why he never made any effort to contact Luffy or Ace. He was in no position to. He's likely still there, since I think this flashback took place after Fisher Tiger's attack on Marie Jois. Also, after the events on Shabody, Boa Hancock's backstory, and now Luffy's, it's clear that a conflict between the Straw Hats and World Nobles is on the horizon. What better catalyst than for Luffy to learn, right after losing one brother, that the one he thought dead, the one who craved ''freedom'' above all else, has spent the last decade as a slave. A slave whose treatment Luffy got a glimpse of via the Boa sisters. Not to mention as of the last chapter in the present, Luffy is with Trafalgar Law's crew, which has among their number an ex-slave of the Celestial Dragons who partially owes Luffy his freedom, who could very easily be used to point Luffy in that direction if either of them connects the dots.
-->'''...Killer from Kid's crew.'''
Mysterious masked nihilist and bad-ass normal swordsman? The explosion caused laser-guided amnesia and scarred his face which would explain his inaction at Marineford and North Blue origin.
-->'''...the masked steampunk sniper in the Donquixote Pirates'''
In this [[http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/682/10 page]] notice that the man who shot Baby 5 wears a top hat like Sabo, wears goggles, and his lower face is concealed (like how the adult Sabo in this [[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130616031849/onepiece/images/thumb/6/69/Adult_Sabo.png/200px-Adult_Sabo.png cover page]] has his eyes covered). And if Sabo is a revolutionary, he could be undercover acting as a ''sabo''teur to Doflamingo's underground dealings, seeing that Dragon is against people who abuse power (like nobles) and Doflamingo is implied to have a connection to the World Nobles.
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* [[spoiler: Chapter 731 confirmed that he is still alive.]]
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* [[spoiler: Chapter 731 confirmed that he is still alive.]]]]
[[WMG: Thunderous Soldier of Rage is really Kyros]]
He tried to kill Doflamingo but failed and was turned into a toy as punishment also explains why people can`t remember Kyros that well.
* Seconded. There are new hints to support this. A spectator commented how Ricky’s fighting style (a gladiator fighting without a shield) seemed familiar but he had trouble remembering specifics. It seemed like a moment of WistfulAmnesia. In the latest chapter, when Rebecca steps into Colosseum arena, she throws away her shield. The non-lethal fighting style without a shield seems to connect Ricky and Rebecca for some reason. Considering that Thunder Soldier taught her how to fight, the fighting style originates from him. Rebecca’s moment of WistfulAmnesia in front of Kyros’ statue hints that she subconsciously remembers that Soldier is in fact the legendary gladiator.
* I'd entertained this theory too, but doesn't the statue say that Kyros disappeared twenty years ago? That's ten years before Doflamingo arrived.
* Confirmed.
[[WMG: Thunderous Soldier of Rage is really Kyros]]
He tried to kill Doflamingo but failed and was turned into a toy as punishment also explains why people can`t remember Kyros that well.
* Seconded. There are new hints to support this. A spectator commented how Ricky’s fighting style (a gladiator fighting without a shield) seemed familiar but he had trouble remembering specifics. It seemed like a moment of WistfulAmnesia. In the latest chapter, when Rebecca steps into Colosseum arena, she throws away her shield. The non-lethal fighting style without a shield seems to connect Ricky and Rebecca for some reason. Considering that Thunder Soldier taught her how to fight, the fighting style originates from him. Rebecca’s moment of WistfulAmnesia in front of Kyros’ statue hints that she subconsciously remembers that Soldier is in fact the legendary gladiator.
* I'd entertained this theory too, but doesn't the statue say that Kyros disappeared twenty years ago? That's ten years before Doflamingo arrived.
* Confirmed.
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**No way in hell he'd let such a twist be revealed in extra material? Authors lie on occasion, otherwise every twist in a series would be revealed in the first interview.
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Consider Oda's perspective on this: Why send [[TheKrillin the weakest protagonist]] off alone, with only an obvious {{BadassGrandpa}}/{{OldMaster}} type for company, and then make him [[{{Gonk}} absurdly fat]]?[[note]]Besides [[RuleOfFunny hilarity]], that is.[[/note]]
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Consider Oda's perspective on this: Why send [[TheKrillin [[OvershadowedByAwesome the weakest protagonist]] off alone, with only an obvious {{BadassGrandpa}}/{{OldMaster}} type for company, and then make him [[{{Gonk}} absurdly fat]]?[[note]]Besides [[RuleOfFunny hilarity]], that is.[[/note]]
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* Confirmed as of Chapter 723. [[spoiler:Sanji intercepts Doflamingo when the latter is about to destroy the Thousand Sunny, but Doflamingo wins the fight by using his [[RazorFloss Ito Ito no Mi]] to hinder Sanji's movements]].
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* Confirmed as of Chapter 723. [[spoiler:Sanji intercepts Doflamingo when the latter is about to destroy the Thousand Sunny, but Doflamingo wins the fight by using his [[RazorFloss Ito Ito no Mi]] to hinder Sanji's movements]].movements]].
[[WMG: [[spoiler: SABO LIVES.]] ]]
[[spoiler: [[http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/93580674/1 This may well just be imagery,]] but with Oda...he wouldn't just draw Sabo like that without it being a Chekov's something.]]
* Either that, or [[spoiler:it's a page of characters who'll be dead by the end of the series. SO LUFFY'S GONNA DIE.]]
** Psssh, [[spoiler: Oda wouldn't kill his main character...would he? ...OH DEAR GOD!]]
*** I think it's the end of the people hanging out and start of a What If? line of covers like Zoro with an adult Kuina, Nami and Usopp with their Mothers, etc. Of course, Oda does love to screw with us.
*** As awesome as the above would be, this still doesn't get rid of the suspicion surrounding [[spoiler:adult!Sabo's hat-hidden face]].
**** OH ****! [[spoiler:SABO IS DOFLAMINGO! HE LOOKS LIKE HIM, AT LEAST! THAT SMILE!]]
***** ...oh god. [[FridgeHorror OH GOD!]] IF IT'S [[spoiler: [[LaserGuidedAmnesia], DOFLAMINGO WOULD MAKE PERFECT DANG SENSE!]] THAT'S WHY ODA HID HIS EYES!
*** That's not possible. [[spoiler: Sabo is way too young to be Doflamingo. Doflamingo was shown attending Roger's execution, while Sabo is about the same age as Ace, who wasn't born until after Roger's death]].
*** ...good point...but [[spoiler: if he's not Doflamingo...THEN HE'S BELLAMY!]]
**** No, he was born in the North Blue, and looks a bit older then 20.
**** Looks can be deceiving. *coughKurehacough*
**** Sweet bajeezuz! [[spoiler:Then Luffy ''almost'' killed Sabo? Again?! And then he was killed by Doflamingo! It only gets worse!]]
**** If you think about it, [[spoiler: Sabo would probably be at least SOMEWHAT traumatized by the whole near-death thing. So, over time, his resentment at his first attempt at piracy nearly being the death of him because he wanted to follow his dreams, he gave up on dreaming, dying his hair, going through a growth spurt, and changing his personality to reflect his mindset. Years later, when he saw Luffy, sure, he could've had the memories rush back to him, and he was actually trying to get Luffy to abandon his dreams in order to spare him the same fate he went through. Luffy realizes this, and who Bellamy is, and does NOT like what his friend's become, and shows him by force.]] ...wow, I'm overthinking this.
* Hey, maybe he's Kidd.
** The goggles...Hmm...but the eyes don't match.
* Meybe he's Killer.
* Jossed : WordOfGod confirmed, through one of the Databooks, that [[spoiler: Sabo]] really did die in that incident.
* The majority of the databooks are not written by Oda. That includes series and character information, which is based on what has been seen and revealed in the source material. As far as source material goes, [[spoiler: Sabo is alluded as dead.]]
* That doesn't change the fact that [[spoiler: Sabo has been confirmed dead]]. Even if the Databooks weren't written by Oda, he still oversees them as they reveal trivia facts and clarify plot points, and there's no way in hell he'd let such a huge mistake fly.
*[[spoiler: Chapter 731 confirmed that he is still alive.]]
[[WMG: [[spoiler: SABO LIVES.]] ]]
[[spoiler: [[http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/93580674/1 This may well just be imagery,]] but with Oda...he wouldn't just draw Sabo like that without it being a Chekov's something.]]
* Either that, or [[spoiler:it's a page of characters who'll be dead by the end of the series. SO LUFFY'S GONNA DIE.]]
** Psssh, [[spoiler: Oda wouldn't kill his main character...would he? ...OH DEAR GOD!]]
*** I think it's the end of the people hanging out and start of a What If? line of covers like Zoro with an adult Kuina, Nami and Usopp with their Mothers, etc. Of course, Oda does love to screw with us.
*** As awesome as the above would be, this still doesn't get rid of the suspicion surrounding [[spoiler:adult!Sabo's hat-hidden face]].
**** OH ****! [[spoiler:SABO IS DOFLAMINGO! HE LOOKS LIKE HIM, AT LEAST! THAT SMILE!]]
***** ...oh god. [[FridgeHorror OH GOD!]] IF IT'S [[spoiler: [[LaserGuidedAmnesia], DOFLAMINGO WOULD MAKE PERFECT DANG SENSE!]] THAT'S WHY ODA HID HIS EYES!
*** That's not possible. [[spoiler: Sabo is way too young to be Doflamingo. Doflamingo was shown attending Roger's execution, while Sabo is about the same age as Ace, who wasn't born until after Roger's death]].
*** ...good point...but [[spoiler: if he's not Doflamingo...THEN HE'S BELLAMY!]]
**** No, he was born in the North Blue, and looks a bit older then 20.
**** Looks can be deceiving. *coughKurehacough*
**** Sweet bajeezuz! [[spoiler:Then Luffy ''almost'' killed Sabo? Again?! And then he was killed by Doflamingo! It only gets worse!]]
**** If you think about it, [[spoiler: Sabo would probably be at least SOMEWHAT traumatized by the whole near-death thing. So, over time, his resentment at his first attempt at piracy nearly being the death of him because he wanted to follow his dreams, he gave up on dreaming, dying his hair, going through a growth spurt, and changing his personality to reflect his mindset. Years later, when he saw Luffy, sure, he could've had the memories rush back to him, and he was actually trying to get Luffy to abandon his dreams in order to spare him the same fate he went through. Luffy realizes this, and who Bellamy is, and does NOT like what his friend's become, and shows him by force.]] ...wow, I'm overthinking this.
* Hey, maybe he's Kidd.
** The goggles...Hmm...but the eyes don't match.
* Meybe he's Killer.
* Jossed : WordOfGod confirmed, through one of the Databooks, that [[spoiler: Sabo]] really did die in that incident.
* The majority of the databooks are not written by Oda. That includes series and character information, which is based on what has been seen and revealed in the source material. As far as source material goes, [[spoiler: Sabo is alluded as dead.]]
* That doesn't change the fact that [[spoiler: Sabo has been confirmed dead]]. Even if the Databooks weren't written by Oda, he still oversees them as they reveal trivia facts and clarify plot points, and there's no way in hell he'd let such a huge mistake fly.
*[[spoiler: Chapter 731 confirmed that he is still alive.]]
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** [[spoiler: With Chapter 731, NOW FULLY JOSSED.]]
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[[WMG: Sanji and [[AxCrazy Doflamingo]] will fight]]
Just like how Zoro's destined to fight with Mihawk, Sanji will likewise fight with Doflamingo. No special reason for this, just a feeling. ''(N.B. This one was moved from the Silly WMG page because it may actually be less silly and more serious than originally intended.)''
* I could actually see this happening. If Sanji's passion is strong enough to make his leg spontaneously combust, [[HeroicWillpower he probably won't be as susceptible]] to Doflamingo's [[PeoplePuppets Devil Fruit power]].
** Plus, Doflamingo's been recently revealed to be a male KickChick during the Whitebeard War [[spoiler:particularly in his fight with Crocodile]]. And he's [[BlondGuysAreEvil a blond guy]], and his eyes are always hidden by his sunglasses. So he could be an EvilCounterpart to Sanji in that way.
* From the original poster, additional info that came to mind via FridgeLogic: Doflamingo's animal theme within the Shichibukai is [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin a flamingo]]. WordOfGod says Sanji's personal animal theme is a duck. Flamingos are considered exquisite (in terms of appearance) while ducks are more common-looking. So, it could be a fight between an upperclassman and a commoner (plus Sanji is willing to feed even persons who can't afford to pay for food, due to his BackStory; on the other hand, Doflamingo was formerly in charge of [[spoiler:the Saobody Archipelago slave ring, which catered to the upper-class Tenryuubito]]). Additionally, Doflamingo's PeoplePuppets ability can be utilized as RazorFloss, and he moves rather gracefully while utilizing it in battle. Conversely, Sanji has been shown to be [[KnifeNut significantly skilled with knives]], but refuses to use knives outside of a kitchen setting.
** Additional update from the original poster, again with FridgeLogic: Sanji is the only member of the Straw Hat crew whose personal dream can't be verified off the bat. All the others have dreams and goals that have specific fulfillment conditions that can be tangibly achieved (Luffy to reach the end of the Grand Line and find One Piece, which [[spoiler:Whitebeard]] declared really does exist; Zoro to beat Mihawk; Nami to sail over the whole world and draw her maps; Usopp to get CharacterDevelopment and be a braver man; Chopper to gain experience as a doctor; Robin to find all the Poneglyphs; Franky to sail to the end of the Grand Line on the ship he built; and Brook to reunite with Laboon); but Sanji's dream of finding All Blue is the only one that there's no way for us to be certain whether it actually exists or not. It is that exact sort of dreaming that Doflamingo's philosophy looks down upon, though apparently he himself doesn't care one way or the other, whether dream-treasures are real or not. So, should Sanji and Doflamingo fight, it would be a true clash of opposing ideals as well as Doflamingo being the potential EvilCounterpart to Sanji.
* Confirmed as of Chapter 723. [[spoiler:Sanji intercepts Doflamingo when the latter is about to destroy the Thousand Sunny, but Doflamingo wins the fight by using his [[RazorFloss Ito Ito no Mi]] to hinder Sanji's movements]].
[[WMG: Sanji and [[AxCrazy Doflamingo]] will fight]]
Just like how Zoro's destined to fight with Mihawk, Sanji will likewise fight with Doflamingo. No special reason for this, just a feeling. ''(N.B. This one was moved from the Silly WMG page because it may actually be less silly and more serious than originally intended.)''
* I could actually see this happening. If Sanji's passion is strong enough to make his leg spontaneously combust, [[HeroicWillpower he probably won't be as susceptible]] to Doflamingo's [[PeoplePuppets Devil Fruit power]].
** Plus, Doflamingo's been recently revealed to be a male KickChick during the Whitebeard War [[spoiler:particularly in his fight with Crocodile]]. And he's [[BlondGuysAreEvil a blond guy]], and his eyes are always hidden by his sunglasses. So he could be an EvilCounterpart to Sanji in that way.
* From the original poster, additional info that came to mind via FridgeLogic: Doflamingo's animal theme within the Shichibukai is [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin a flamingo]]. WordOfGod says Sanji's personal animal theme is a duck. Flamingos are considered exquisite (in terms of appearance) while ducks are more common-looking. So, it could be a fight between an upperclassman and a commoner (plus Sanji is willing to feed even persons who can't afford to pay for food, due to his BackStory; on the other hand, Doflamingo was formerly in charge of [[spoiler:the Saobody Archipelago slave ring, which catered to the upper-class Tenryuubito]]). Additionally, Doflamingo's PeoplePuppets ability can be utilized as RazorFloss, and he moves rather gracefully while utilizing it in battle. Conversely, Sanji has been shown to be [[KnifeNut significantly skilled with knives]], but refuses to use knives outside of a kitchen setting.
** Additional update from the original poster, again with FridgeLogic: Sanji is the only member of the Straw Hat crew whose personal dream can't be verified off the bat. All the others have dreams and goals that have specific fulfillment conditions that can be tangibly achieved (Luffy to reach the end of the Grand Line and find One Piece, which [[spoiler:Whitebeard]] declared really does exist; Zoro to beat Mihawk; Nami to sail over the whole world and draw her maps; Usopp to get CharacterDevelopment and be a braver man; Chopper to gain experience as a doctor; Robin to find all the Poneglyphs; Franky to sail to the end of the Grand Line on the ship he built; and Brook to reunite with Laboon); but Sanji's dream of finding All Blue is the only one that there's no way for us to be certain whether it actually exists or not. It is that exact sort of dreaming that Doflamingo's philosophy looks down upon, though apparently he himself doesn't care one way or the other, whether dream-treasures are real or not. So, should Sanji and Doflamingo fight, it would be a true clash of opposing ideals as well as Doflamingo being the potential EvilCounterpart to Sanji.
* Confirmed as of Chapter 723. [[spoiler:Sanji intercepts Doflamingo when the latter is about to destroy the Thousand Sunny, but Doflamingo wins the fight by using his [[RazorFloss Ito Ito no Mi]] to hinder Sanji's movements]].
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[[WMG: Rebecca and the toy soldier were once related]]
It is very possible that they were married, father and daughter or even siblings.
* Well he was her ParentalSubstitute, there's that. About his ''real'' self, though...
* Confirmed in chapter 726; [[spoiler: the toy soldier is Rebecca's father]]
[[WMG: Rebecca and the toy soldier were once related]]
It is very possible that they were married, father and daughter or even siblings.
* Well he was her ParentalSubstitute, there's that. About his ''real'' self, though...
* Confirmed in chapter 726; [[spoiler: the toy soldier is Rebecca's father]]
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* Confirmed. In Chapter 724, Law said that Doflamingo ate the [[spoiler:'Ito-Ito no Mi']].
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* Confirmed. In Chapter 724, Law said that Doflamingo ate the [[spoiler:'Ito-Ito no Mi']].Mi']].
[[WMG: Ricky is the old king.]]
He has a grudge against Doflamingo, seems to have a shared past with Rebecca, and is really old. What else needs to be said?
* If he's the old king then Rebecca should've known him more. I don't know, maybe she just doesn't act that way? Plus Rebecca's grandpa was the old king and he's seem to be really despised by the audience somehow, judging by their reaction to Rebecca.
** He wore a mask, and by all evidence it doesn't seem like she has seen him at all since her early childhood. The audience detests him, but we know nothing of their reasons for it or just how much of his evil deeds were even real.
* Confirmed as of chapter 726.
[[WMG: Ricky is the old king.]]
He has a grudge against Doflamingo, seems to have a shared past with Rebecca, and is really old. What else needs to be said?
* If he's the old king then Rebecca should've known him more. I don't know, maybe she just doesn't act that way? Plus Rebecca's grandpa was the old king and he's seem to be really despised by the audience somehow, judging by their reaction to Rebecca.
** He wore a mask, and by all evidence it doesn't seem like she has seen him at all since her early childhood. The audience detests him, but we know nothing of their reasons for it or just how much of his evil deeds were even real.
* Confirmed as of chapter 726.
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* [[spoiler: Confirmed. In Chapter 724 confirms this. According to Law, 724, Law said that Doflamingo ate the 'Ito-Ito [[spoiler:'Ito-Ito no Mi'.]]Mi']].
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* Confirmed. In SBS volume 71 Oda confirms that Absalom was at Marineford during the war and that he is the reporter Absa.Absa.
[[WMG: Donquixote Doflamingo has eaten a string-themed devil fruit.]]
His abilities so far has been established to be PeoplePuppets and dismembering people in a way that looks suspiciously similar to RazorFloss. Coincidence? This troper thinks not.
* [[spoiler: Chapter 724 confirms this.]]
[[WMG: Donquixote Doflamingo has eaten a string-themed devil fruit.]]
His abilities so far has been established to be PeoplePuppets and dismembering people in a way that looks suspiciously similar to RazorFloss. Coincidence? This troper thinks not.
* [[spoiler: Chapter 724 confirms this.]]
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Consider Oda's perspective on this: Why send [[TheKrillin the weakest protagonist]] off alone, with only an obvious {{BadassGrandpa}}/{{OldMaster}} type for company, and then make him [[{{Gonk}} absurdly fat]]?[[hottip:* :Besides [[RuleOfFunny hilarity]], that is.]]
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Consider Oda's perspective on this: Why send [[TheKrillin the weakest protagonist]] off alone, with only an obvious {{BadassGrandpa}}/{{OldMaster}} type for company, and then make him [[{{Gonk}} absurdly fat]]?[[hottip:* :Besides fat]]?[[note]]Besides [[RuleOfFunny hilarity]], that is.]][[/note]]
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Logias are supposed to be about ''forces of nature'', with "elements" just being an easy way to describe them. All of the canon fruits, Smoke[[hottip:*:Massive smoke clouds generated by volcanic eruptions and forest fires]], Fire[[hottip:*:Forest fires]], Sand[[hottip:*:Deserts.]], Lightning[[hottip:*: Self-explanatory]], Ice[[hottip:*:Arctic areas, snow, and hail]], Dark[[hottip:*:Nighttime and gravity]], Light[[hottip:*: Daytime and other rays of light]], Magma[[hottip:*:Volcanoes and the deeper area of the Earth]], and Swamp[[hottip:*:Also self-explanatory]] are things that naturally occur in the world with Swamp pretty much being impossible to call an element. This is why almost-but-not-quite Paramecias like Wax and Poison don't get to go the extra step. If you can't see it being some kind of prominent thing in nature, then it isn't going to be a logia.
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Logias are supposed to be about ''forces of nature'', with "elements" just being an easy way to describe them. All of the canon fruits, Smoke[[hottip:*:Massive Smoke[[note]]Massive smoke clouds generated by volcanic eruptions and forest fires]], Fire[[hottip:*:Forest fires]], Sand[[hottip:*:Deserts.]], Lightning[[hottip:*: Self-explanatory]], Ice[[hottip:*:Arctic fires[[/note]], Fire[[note]]Forest fires[[/note]], Sand[[note]]Deserts.[[/note]], Lightning[[note]] Self-explanatory[[/note]], Ice[[note]]Arctic areas, snow, and hail]], Dark[[hottip:*:Nighttime hail[[/note]], Dark[[note]]Nighttime and gravity]], Light[[hottip:*: gravity[[/note]], Light[[note]] Daytime and other rays of light]], Magma[[hottip:*:Volcanoes light[[/note]], Magma[[note]]Volcanoes and the deeper area of the Earth]], Earth[[/note]], and Swamp[[hottip:*:Also self-explanatory]] Swamp[[note]]Also self-explanatory[[/note]] are things that naturally occur in the world with Swamp pretty much being impossible to call an element. This is why almost-but-not-quite Paramecias like Wax and Poison don't get to go the extra step. If you can't see it being some kind of prominent thing in nature, then it isn't going to be a logia.
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*** Who says we want to give him super strength or anything stupid like that? No matter how you look at it, Sogeking was still a significant upgrade, as far as BadassNormals go. Give him another one like that, and he'll be a real powerhouse.
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*** Who says we want to give him super strength or anything stupid like that? No matter how you look at it, Sogeking was still a significant upgrade, as far as BadassNormals {{Badass Normal}}s go. Give him another one like that, and he'll be a real powerhouse.
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* Confirmed. In sbs SBS volume 71 Ada Oda confirms that Absalom was at Marineford during the war and that he is the reporter Absa.
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*** Actually, it looks like it's going to be the Strawhats,[[spoiler:Law,Smoker,and Tashigi vs. Doflamingo/his subordinates and Caesar Clown. Since Virgo is technically part of G5, I'd say that the original post in entirely true.]]
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*** Actually, it looks like it's going to be the Strawhats,[[spoiler:Law,Smoker,and Tashigi vs. Doflamingo/his subordinates and Caesar Clown. Since Virgo is technically part of G5, I'd say that the original post in entirely true.]]]]
[[WMG: "Absa" is Absalom, and was also the one to save Moriah]]
Together with Dr. Hogback, they mostly just try to survive these days. To do that, they need to earn money, to which they need to work. Absalom uses the talents of his invisibility power to learn scoops no one else possibly could.
* If you look closely, in the panel where they mention "Absa" you can see the ship Hogback and Absalom escaped on from Thriller Bark. So this is pretty much confirmed.
*Confirmed. In sbs volume 71 Ada confirms that Absalom was at Marineford during the war and that he is the reporter Absa.
[[WMG: "Absa" is Absalom, and was also the one to save Moriah]]
Together with Dr. Hogback, they mostly just try to survive these days. To do that, they need to earn money, to which they need to work. Absalom uses the talents of his invisibility power to learn scoops no one else possibly could.
* If you look closely, in the panel where they mention "Absa" you can see the ship Hogback and Absalom escaped on from Thriller Bark. So this is pretty much confirmed.
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[[WMG: Kuma [[HeroicSacrifice sacrificed]] himself for Luffy and his crew]].
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[[WMG: Kuma [[HeroicSacrifice sacrificed]] himself for Luffy and his crew]].crew.]]
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* Confirmed. Momonosuke and Kinemon join Luffy and his crew to get to Dressrosa, though for an as-of-yet unknown reason.
Dressrosa to retrieve a captured comrade.
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* Confirmed. The fruit is back, and in the hands of Doflamingo. Time will tell who (if anyone) eats it.
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* Confirmed. The fruit is back, and in the hands of Doflamingo. Time will tell who (if anyone) eats it.it.
[[WMG: One of the future battles]]
[[spoiler: Now that the Strawhats finally reached the new world I'm going to make a guess who they are going to fight against next: It's going to be a battle either against one of the old Supernovas,or Smoker and the G5 branch.Or both.But whatever is going to happen it will be '''''AWESOME!!!'''''.]]
* [[spoiler:Or maybe Big Mom]].
** [[spoiler: Chapter 660 came out and my original WMG just became clarified! Their very first batlle in the New World will be against Smoker '''AND''' Trafalgar Law '''''AND''''' some shady organization that Law is allied with.]]
*** Actually, it looks like it's going to be the Strawhats,[[spoiler:Law,Smoker,and Tashigi vs. Doflamingo/his subordinates and Caesar Clown. Since Virgo is technically part of G5, I'd say that the original post in entirely true.]]
[[WMG: One of the future battles]]
[[spoiler: Now that the Strawhats finally reached the new world I'm going to make a guess who they are going to fight against next: It's going to be a battle either against one of the old Supernovas,or Smoker and the G5 branch.Or both.But whatever is going to happen it will be '''''AWESOME!!!'''''.]]
* [[spoiler:Or maybe Big Mom]].
** [[spoiler: Chapter 660 came out and my original WMG just became clarified! Their very first batlle in the New World will be against Smoker '''AND''' Trafalgar Law '''''AND''''' some shady organization that Law is allied with.]]
*** Actually, it looks like it's going to be the Strawhats,[[spoiler:Law,Smoker,and Tashigi vs. Doflamingo/his subordinates and Caesar Clown. Since Virgo is technically part of G5, I'd say that the original post in entirely true.]]
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* Confirmed. An reader asked Oda how much creative input he has over other One Piece media. Oda responded in the SBS column saying that the only input he has is rejecting Devil Fruits he intends to use later on. Thus, any Devil Fruit seen in a non-canon story will never appear in the manga.
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* Confirmed. An reader asked Oda how much creative input he has over other One Piece media. Oda responded in the SBS column saying that the only input he has is rejecting Devil Fruits he intends to use later on. Thus, any Devil Fruit seen in a non-canon story will never appear in the manga.manga.
[[WMG: We haven't seen the last of the flame-flame fruit]]
Someone is going to gain the fire power again and encounter Luffy, causing a moment of Heroic BSOD.
* I hope it's Coby.
* Confirmed. The fruit is back, and in the hands of Doflamingo. Time will tell who (if anyone) eats it.
[[WMG: We haven't seen the last of the flame-flame fruit]]
Someone is going to gain the fire power again and encounter Luffy, causing a moment of Heroic BSOD.
* I hope it's Coby.
* Confirmed. The fruit is back, and in the hands of Doflamingo. Time will tell who (if anyone) eats it.
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** Confirmed. Doflamingo plays a huge role in the Punk Hazard arc and the upcoming Dressrosa arc.
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** Confirmed. Doflamingo plays a huge role in the Punk Hazard arc and the upcoming Dressrosa arc.arc.
[[WMG: We will see the Mera Mera no Mi again]]
It's been stated that when people die, their devil fruits sprout again. Thus, it is possible we'll see the Mera Mera no Mi again.
** My money's on Coby. If his ultimate goal is to become TheRival to Luffy then he'll need to bridge the huge power gap between them, and the only way I see that happening is to have Coby consume an extremely strong Logia-type fruit. The Mera Mera no Mi would be a perfect fit.
** Confirmed. Donquixote Doflamingo has it. However, Coby has nothing to do with it.
[[WMG: The Strawhats aren't going to get a new member at Fishman Island.]]
Crazy theory I know, but bear with me. The series is only slightly more than half over and there are only either two or one open slots left.
* Still, if a character joins fairly late, that makes it hard to make a genuine connection. A problem Brook kind of suffered from until now.
* Confirmed. The Thousand Sunny departed Fishman Island with no change to her crew.
[[WMG: In the manga, there will never be any logias like the paper and candy ones that appeared in filler.]]
Logias are supposed to be about ''forces of nature'', with "elements" just being an easy way to describe them. All of the canon fruits, Smoke[[hottip:*:Massive smoke clouds generated by volcanic eruptions and forest fires]], Fire[[hottip:*:Forest fires]], Sand[[hottip:*:Deserts.]], Lightning[[hottip:*: Self-explanatory]], Ice[[hottip:*:Arctic areas, snow, and hail]], Dark[[hottip:*:Nighttime and gravity]], Light[[hottip:*: Daytime and other rays of light]], Magma[[hottip:*:Volcanoes and the deeper area of the Earth]], and Swamp[[hottip:*:Also self-explanatory]] are things that naturally occur in the world with Swamp pretty much being impossible to call an element. This is why almost-but-not-quite Paramecias like Wax and Poison don't get to go the extra step. If you can't see it being some kind of prominent thing in nature, then it isn't going to be a logia.
* Confirmed. An reader asked Oda how much creative input he has over other One Piece media. Oda responded in the SBS column saying that the only input he has is rejecting Devil Fruits he intends to use later on. Thus, any Devil Fruit seen in a non-canon story will never appear in the manga.
[[WMG: We will see the Mera Mera no Mi again]]
It's been stated that when people die, their devil fruits sprout again. Thus, it is possible we'll see the Mera Mera no Mi again.
** My money's on Coby. If his ultimate goal is to become TheRival to Luffy then he'll need to bridge the huge power gap between them, and the only way I see that happening is to have Coby consume an extremely strong Logia-type fruit. The Mera Mera no Mi would be a perfect fit.
** Confirmed. Donquixote Doflamingo has it. However, Coby has nothing to do with it.
[[WMG: The Strawhats aren't going to get a new member at Fishman Island.]]
Crazy theory I know, but bear with me. The series is only slightly more than half over and there are only either two or one open slots left.
* Still, if a character joins fairly late, that makes it hard to make a genuine connection. A problem Brook kind of suffered from until now.
* Confirmed. The Thousand Sunny departed Fishman Island with no change to her crew.
[[WMG: In the manga, there will never be any logias like the paper and candy ones that appeared in filler.]]
Logias are supposed to be about ''forces of nature'', with "elements" just being an easy way to describe them. All of the canon fruits, Smoke[[hottip:*:Massive smoke clouds generated by volcanic eruptions and forest fires]], Fire[[hottip:*:Forest fires]], Sand[[hottip:*:Deserts.]], Lightning[[hottip:*: Self-explanatory]], Ice[[hottip:*:Arctic areas, snow, and hail]], Dark[[hottip:*:Nighttime and gravity]], Light[[hottip:*: Daytime and other rays of light]], Magma[[hottip:*:Volcanoes and the deeper area of the Earth]], and Swamp[[hottip:*:Also self-explanatory]] are things that naturally occur in the world with Swamp pretty much being impossible to call an element. This is why almost-but-not-quite Paramecias like Wax and Poison don't get to go the extra step. If you can't see it being some kind of prominent thing in nature, then it isn't going to be a logia.
* Confirmed. An reader asked Oda how much creative input he has over other One Piece media. Oda responded in the SBS column saying that the only input he has is rejecting Devil Fruits he intends to use later on. Thus, any Devil Fruit seen in a non-canon story will never appear in the manga.
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* Confirmed. Momonosuke and Kinemon join Luffy and his crew to get to Dressrosa, though for an as-of-yet unknown reason.
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* Confirmed. Momonosuke and Kinemon join Luffy and his crew to get to Dressrosa, though for an as-of-yet unknown reason.reason.
[[WMG: Donquixote Doflamingo will be one of the biggest villains in the series.]]
He's the last of the original seven Shichibukai to directly fight either against or alongside the Straw Hats, and has been shown to have his fingers in many of the World Government's pies, such as the slave auctions on Sabaody. More tellingly, while Blackbeard's crew is setting itself as a direct EvilCounterpart to the Straw Hats, Doflamingo's "New Era" philosophy is antithetical to both of them.
* Very likely. Very, VERY likely. Considering that his former subordinate Bellamy opposed Luffy prior to the Skypiea arc, and then with the revelation that Doflamingo is the former owner of the slave auction house in the Saobody Archipelago, it's quite possible that he'll be one of the major [[BigBad Big Bads]] to appear during the second half of the Grand Line.
** Confirmed. Doflamingo plays a huge role in the Punk Hazard arc and the upcoming Dressrosa arc.
[[WMG: Donquixote Doflamingo will be one of the biggest villains in the series.]]
He's the last of the original seven Shichibukai to directly fight either against or alongside the Straw Hats, and has been shown to have his fingers in many of the World Government's pies, such as the slave auctions on Sabaody. More tellingly, while Blackbeard's crew is setting itself as a direct EvilCounterpart to the Straw Hats, Doflamingo's "New Era" philosophy is antithetical to both of them.
* Very likely. Very, VERY likely. Considering that his former subordinate Bellamy opposed Luffy prior to the Skypiea arc, and then with the revelation that Doflamingo is the former owner of the slave auction house in the Saobody Archipelago, it's quite possible that he'll be one of the major [[BigBad Big Bads]] to appear during the second half of the Grand Line.
** Confirmed. Doflamingo plays a huge role in the Punk Hazard arc and the upcoming Dressrosa arc.
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** [[spoiler: Considering how Sanji's a confirmed Haki user, that probably has something to do with it]].
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** [[spoiler: Considering how Sanji's a confirmed Haki user, that probably has something to do with it]].it]].
[[WMG: [[spoiler: The Yonkou that Donquixote Doflamingo is selling SAD Smile Fruits to is Kaidou]]]]
* [[spoiler: Kaidou and Big Mam are the two most likely candidates to have a large army under their command. Given Kaidou's past actions and ruthlessness, the brute force advantage provided by hundreds of Zoan users seems more his style than Big Mam's. Big Mam's operation seems to work more like a business or a protection racket.]]
** [[spoiler: The idea that Doflamingo works for or deals with Kaidou has some possible precedent. When Doflamingo corners Gekko Moriah at the end of the Battle of Marineford, Moria asks him who ordered the execution, guessing Sengoku. Doflamingo cryptically mentions that it was someone higher up, the implication being that it was the Gorosei or Kong. However, he might consider Kaidou a greater authority (being a Yonkou and all), especially since he is a pirate himself. Plus, Kaidou has a past with Moriah and may want him dead for some reason, but is too busy to do it himself. Therefore, he gets Doflamingo to do it because he is above suspicion.]]
* Confirmed. [[spoiler: Trafalgar Law's plan is to sever ties between Doflamingo and Kaido by cutting off Kaido's Smile supply.]]
[[WMG: Momonosuke is going to become a (temporary) SH member]]
Why? Well, for one he has eaten an artificial Devil Fruit that is apparently faulty. Momo is also currently unable to turn back to a Human form. So what if the fault of this DF means that he not able to turn back by himself? He would need to find somebody to correct this, maybe even Vegapunk himself.
But why would that mean that he has to go with the SH? Remember when Kinemon helped slay the dragon? When he was more brutal that he had to be? He implied that he had a grudge against dragons. So maybe Wano, a country based on Asian culture, is plagued by natural dragons, which is why Kinemon can't stand them. So Momo would now look like the sworn enemy of his people and would thus be unable to go back home. Cue travelling with the SH until he finds a cure.
Also, he and Luffy already get along great AND Luffy is in the process of helping his friends out.
* Confirmed. Momonosuke and Kinemon join Luffy and his crew to get to Dressrosa, though for an as-of-yet unknown reason.
[[WMG: [[spoiler: The Yonkou that Donquixote Doflamingo is selling SAD Smile Fruits to is Kaidou]]]]
* [[spoiler: Kaidou and Big Mam are the two most likely candidates to have a large army under their command. Given Kaidou's past actions and ruthlessness, the brute force advantage provided by hundreds of Zoan users seems more his style than Big Mam's. Big Mam's operation seems to work more like a business or a protection racket.]]
** [[spoiler: The idea that Doflamingo works for or deals with Kaidou has some possible precedent. When Doflamingo corners Gekko Moriah at the end of the Battle of Marineford, Moria asks him who ordered the execution, guessing Sengoku. Doflamingo cryptically mentions that it was someone higher up, the implication being that it was the Gorosei or Kong. However, he might consider Kaidou a greater authority (being a Yonkou and all), especially since he is a pirate himself. Plus, Kaidou has a past with Moriah and may want him dead for some reason, but is too busy to do it himself. Therefore, he gets Doflamingo to do it because he is above suspicion.]]
* Confirmed. [[spoiler: Trafalgar Law's plan is to sever ties between Doflamingo and Kaido by cutting off Kaido's Smile supply.]]
[[WMG: Momonosuke is going to become a (temporary) SH member]]
Why? Well, for one he has eaten an artificial Devil Fruit that is apparently faulty. Momo is also currently unable to turn back to a Human form. So what if the fault of this DF means that he not able to turn back by himself? He would need to find somebody to correct this, maybe even Vegapunk himself.
But why would that mean that he has to go with the SH? Remember when Kinemon helped slay the dragon? When he was more brutal that he had to be? He implied that he had a grudge against dragons. So maybe Wano, a country based on Asian culture, is plagued by natural dragons, which is why Kinemon can't stand them. So Momo would now look like the sworn enemy of his people and would thus be unable to go back home. Cue travelling with the SH until he finds a cure.
Also, he and Luffy already get along great AND Luffy is in the process of helping his friends out.
* Confirmed. Momonosuke and Kinemon join Luffy and his crew to get to Dressrosa, though for an as-of-yet unknown reason.
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Seriously, who\'s the idiot who keeps Bowderizing the swear words on the WMG pages?
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* Well,[[spoiler: you're technically right with the whole "splitting ships" thing, but he's more of a CloudCuckooLander than a [[BigDangHeroes Big Dang Hero]]]].
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* Well,[[spoiler: you're technically right with the whole "splitting ships" thing, but he's more of a CloudCuckooLander than a [[BigDangHeroes [[BigDamnHeroes Big Dang Damn Hero]]]].
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[[WMG: [[ItGotWorse Things are only going to get worse for a while.]]]]
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[[WMG: [[ItGotWorse [[FromBadToWorse Things are only going to get worse for a while.]]]]
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** [[spoiler: This may be on its way to being jossed now that Chapter 668's page shows that someone has brought the news of the Straw Hats' return, as if telling Ace that his brother is fine. To top it off, nearby, there's a bottle and three sake cups.]]
