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Fans have speculated that Luna is busy taking her duties of controlling the night again. Now, there's no reason for her not too, but assuming that works the same as Celestia's magic, she should be able to go with her during princess duties. (Like say, she should have been there during "Swarm of the Century" and "Sonic Rainboom".) This is because Luna understands that she's spent a thousand years as one of Equestria's boogeyponies, and even a pardon from Celestia won't change that opinion overnight. (And even if it did, Luna would probably want to redeem herself anyway, assuming that she's TheAtoner.) Luna is currently traveling Equestria, doing as many good deeds as she can. She may or may not be using her Nightmare Moon form for this, mostly because Nightmare Moon would make a good [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Batpony.]]
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Fans have speculated that Luna is busy taking her duties of controlling the night again. Now, there's no reason for her not too, but assuming that works the same as Celestia's magic, she should be able to go with her during princess duties. (Like say, she should have been there during "Swarm of the Century" and "Sonic Rainboom".) This is because Luna understands that she's spent a thousand years as one of Equestria's boogeyponies, and even a pardon from Celestia won't change that opinion overnight. (And even if it did, Luna would probably want to redeem herself anyway, assuming that she's TheAtoner.) Luna is currently traveling Equestria, doing as many good deeds as she can. She may or may not be using her Nightmare Moon form for this, mostly because Nightmare Moon would make a good [[Franchise/{{Batman}} [[ComicBook/{{Batman}} Batpony.]]
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** Assuming that the Nightmare entity is sort of like the [[Franchise/SpiderMan Venom Symbiote,]] then wouldn't it gravitate towards Twilight as a host? Raw magical talent, with two dozen spells at her disposal, and she's being buttered up by Celestia for some reason. Draw a couple parallels, pull a couple threads, and I'm sure you can find a story...
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** Assuming that the Nightmare entity is sort of like the [[Franchise/SpiderMan [[ComicBook/SpiderMan Venom Symbiote,]] then wouldn't it gravitate towards Twilight as a host? Raw magical talent, with two dozen spells at her disposal, and she's being buttered up by Celestia for some reason. Draw a couple parallels, pull a couple threads, and I'm sure you can find a story...
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* She lives in her [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Luna Cave]] in a remote part of the mountain, too far away to hear the battle.
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His skill with force fields is such that he can use them to create any 3D shape, not just spheres, much like ComicBook/GreenLantern and [[Franchise/FantasticFour Sue Storm]].
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His skill with force fields is such that he can use them to create any 3D shape, not just spheres, much like ComicBook/GreenLantern and [[Franchise/FantasticFour [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Sue Storm]].
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** The reason she goes by "princess" most of the time is [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask so that she can seem more friendly and approachable to her subjects]]
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However, she eventually [[HeelRealization realized she had become]] distressingly similar to Nightmare Moon. Despite presenting a pretty and idealistic image to her subjects, inwardly she had grown cold and detached, viewing them as mere ''subjects'' where once she would have counted some of them as ''friends''. She also came to understand the sort of bitter loneliness and frustration that led to her sister's betrayal in the first place. Gradually, Celestia grew from [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask wearing the queenly mask]] into an honestly benevolent ruler. With Luna's return, she hopes to reconnect with her as well and hopefully keep her from falling back into the same pitfalls and temptations.
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However, she eventually [[HeelRealization realized she had become]] distressingly similar to Nightmare Moon. Despite presenting a pretty and idealistic image to her subjects, inwardly she had grown cold and detached, viewing them as mere ''subjects'' where once she would have counted some of them as ''friends''. She also came to understand the sort of bitter loneliness and frustration that led to her sister's betrayal in the first place. Gradually, Celestia grew from [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask wearing the queenly mask]] out of her ToughLeaderFacade into an honestly benevolent ruler. With Luna's return, she hopes to reconnect with her as well and hopefully keep her from falling back into the same pitfalls and temptations.
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The writers know their fan-base and the popular memes they've inspired (I'm looking at you Muffin Mare), and Tyrant Celestia is rather popular one. Nightmare Celestia/Nightmare Sun/[[AwesomeMcCoolname Mourning Star]] would act as a LawfulEvil tyrant who'd [[DisproportionateRetribution banish anypony who doesn't follow the rules]], and will [[CainAndAbel despise Luna.]] She might even try to cause an EndlessDaytime if she suffers a VillainousBreakdown. As for the Molestia meme, they can't show it but that doesn't mean [[HomoeroticSubtext they can't imply it]].
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The writers know their fan-base and the popular memes they've inspired (I'm looking at you Muffin Mare), and Tyrant Celestia is rather popular one. Nightmare Celestia/Nightmare Sun/[[AwesomeMcCoolname Mourning Star]] Sun/Mourning Star would act as a LawfulEvil tyrant who'd [[DisproportionateRetribution banish anypony who doesn't follow the rules]], and will [[CainAndAbel despise Luna.]] She might even try to cause an EndlessDaytime if she suffers a VillainousBreakdown. As for the Molestia meme, they can't show it but that doesn't mean [[HomoeroticSubtext they can't imply it]].
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[[WMG:Shining Armor is [[UltimateEvil the ruler and creator of Tartarus]] and the [[TheManBehindtheMan real]] [[ManipulativeBastard mastermind]] [[TheDogWasTheMastermind behind]] [[EvilAllAlong everything]].]]
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[[WMG:Shining Armor is [[UltimateEvil the ruler and creator of Tartarus]] Tartarus and the [[TheManBehindtheMan real]] [[ManipulativeBastard mastermind]] [[TheDogWasTheMastermind behind]] [[EvilAllAlong everything]].]]
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** [[FridgeHorror Whatever happened to Megan]]?
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** [[FridgeHorror Whatever happened to Megan]]?
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** Or maybe ''stars?'' -- oh shit, what does that mean for the stars that freed NMM?
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** Or maybe ''stars?'' ''stars''? -- oh shit, what does that mean for the stars that freed NMM?
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[[WMG: The people denouncing Celestia as a tyrant were right. Celestia rules Equestria with an iron hoof.]]
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[[WMG: In the pilot, Princess Celestia wrote her letter to Twilight in advance.]]
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** Well, the whole "Twlight is an orphan" part's been {{Jossed}} now. Doesn't leave out the reincarnation part, though.
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[[WMG: Princess Celestia has a [[Franchise/{{Dune}} Bene Gesserit]] style breeding program that produced Twilight Sparkle]]
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** She could be simply just tired of it. Maybe after a thousand years of the same genuflection and adoration, not to mention whatever adoration she had before, it had gone tedious and boring to the point of insanity. And she had found in Twlights and her friends scapegoats, from her letters where she lives vicariously to the fac that since they are the Elemental wearers, allow her a lot of political protection and support; hence why they could destroy the Grand Galloping Gala without repercussion.
[[WMG: Celestia was [[StepfordSmiler hiding her depression for centuries]] until being reunited with Luna after so long.]]
[[WMG: Celestia was [[StepfordSmiler hiding her depression for centuries]] until being reunited with Luna after so long.]]
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** She could be simply just tired of it. Maybe after a thousand years of the same genuflection and adoration, not to mention whatever adoration she had before, it had gone tedious and boring to the point of insanity. And she had found in Twlights Twilights and her friends scapegoats, from her letters where she lives vicariously to the fac that since they are the Elemental wearers, allow her a lot of political protection and support; hence why they could destroy the Grand Galloping Gala without repercussion.
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[[WMG: In "Swarm of the Century", Princess Celestia knew ''exactly'' what was going on.]]
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[[WMG: By sending Twilight to Ponyville to get some friends, Celestia also tries to find new friends herself, "by proxy" if you will.]]
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[[WMG: Princess Celestia planned ''everything'']]
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[[WMG: Princess Celestia had her own party crashed so she could finally be casual with Twilight's friends]]
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[[WMG: Relating to the above, Celestia will be more candid with the mane cast in season 2.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia trained all those animals in the Gala to specifically avoid [[FriendToAllLivingThings Fluttershy]] and [[BerserkButton make her mad]].]]
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[[WMG: In "The Best Night Ever", Celestia had another reason for going to the donut shop: saving the ponies.]]
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[[WMG: Princess Celestia is secretly a Kamen Rider.]]
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** Unless.....[[FridgeHorror Discord is Danny.....]]
[[WMG: Princess Celestia really did raise Spike after Twilight hatched his egg.]]
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** Unless.....Unless... [[FridgeHorror Discord is Danny.....Danny...]]
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[[WMG: Celestia was a bigger prankster than Pinkie Pie as a filly.]]
There's a reason for the nickname Trollestria after all. And I like to imagine that Celestia has only mellowed out somewhat with her age, and as a young energetic filly? She must have been absolutely brutal with her pranks.
There's a reason for the nickname Trollestria after all. And I like to imagine that Celestia has only mellowed out somewhat with her age, and as a young energetic filly? She must have been absolutely brutal with her pranks.
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[[WMG: Celestia is a fusion of the last group to wield Elements of Harmony]]
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[[WMG: Celestia was planning to use Twilight and her friends ever since the Sonic Rainboom.]]
The day before the Summer Sun Celebration seems a bit late to be implementing a plan to save the world. When Dash's first Sonic Rainboom indicated a connection between the six friends, Celestia detected the connection (as she is wise in the ways of the Magic of Frienship), and knew that this was her best bet for stopping Nightmare Moon and rescuing her sister. That was her main reason for taking on Twilight as her primary student (in addition to her general magical aptitude), and she also started monitoring the others at this point -- she may have been responsible for Pinky moving to Ponyville, for example. She made sure that those five would be the people Twilight met on her first tour of Ponyville, and the rest proceeded as planned.
The day before the Summer Sun Celebration seems a bit late to be implementing a plan to save the world. When Dash's first Sonic Rainboom indicated a connection between the six friends, Celestia detected the connection (as she is wise in the ways of the Magic of Frienship), and knew that this was her best bet for stopping Nightmare Moon and rescuing her sister. That was her main reason for taking on Twilight as her primary student (in addition to her general magical aptitude), and she also started monitoring the others at this point -- she may have been responsible for Pinky moving to Ponyville, for example. She made sure that those five would be the people Twilight met on her first tour of Ponyville, and the rest proceeded as planned.
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[[WMG: Celestia not only told Ditzy/Derpy to go west and north to get the southbound birds so as to add her brand of 'merriment' to the Winter Round-up, she also paid her to drop all that stuff on Twilight Sparkle for cheap laughs.]]
Even a master-mind genius prankster like Celestia can't be everywhere spreading mirth. That means that she'd need a stooge or five hanging around to help mess with her subjects' heads; my guess is that someone with strabismus is being punished for some mild misdemeanor with community disservice.
[[WMG: Derpy/Ditzy is Celestia in disguise.]]
Even a master-mind genius prankster like Celestia can't be everywhere spreading mirth. That means that she'd need a stooge or five hanging around to help mess with her subjects' heads; my guess is that someone with strabismus is being punished for some mild misdemeanor with community disservice.
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* I beg to disagree, other than prince Blueblood, none of the other guests were outright disrespectful to the cast unless they were interrupted or disturbed by them in some way. Formal parties do have rules and etiquette, things that none of the girls have knowledge of. All of them, with the exception of Rarity and Twilight, caused trouble for the guests so how did you expect them to act? I know if I had seen Pinkiepie's antics I would have told her off too.
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* I beg to disagree, other than prince Prince Blueblood, none of the other guests were outright disrespectful to the cast unless they were interrupted or disturbed by them in some way. Formal parties do have rules and etiquette, things that none of the girls have knowledge of. All of them, with the exception of Rarity and Twilight, caused trouble for the guests so how did you expect them to act? I know if I had seen Pinkiepie's Pinkie Pie's antics I would have told her off too.
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[[WMG: Discord and Celestia used to date.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia is not Luna's sister....]]
...[[FamilyRelationshipSwitcheroo She is her mother.]]
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* To be more specific, she's a recycled use of Luna's [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E2ElementsOfHarmony Season 1]] model, with the colors of the younger Celestia from the Season One opener. If I may, I'd like to expand this into a complete fanfic concept. The fillyfriend, here-to-after referred to as Fleur deLis, is indeed Celestia in disguise, so she can mingle among the not-royals and learn more about how the government should be run. She also takes note of what kind of prank can be most effective on everypony in the event she feels like going Trollestia later. She hangs around as a Trophy Fillyfriend to Fancy Pants because he's the only pony in Canterlot who is even REMOTELY tolerable to her after 1000 Galas. Fleur deLis makes all those overtly-affectionate and obnoxiously-sexy poses all the time as a cover as a French (Prench?) supermodel. After all, would YOU expect Celestia to do those kind of poses constantly? No, you wouldn't, because that's not Celestia's personality type. The different Cutie Mark can be explained as white paint and a stencil, white paint and artistic skill, white paint and a trusted hoofmaiden with said art ability, or even an orphan with said artistic ability Celestia took in, which would be viewed as "Awww, our princess really does care about everypony." by the general public. Whether Fancy Pants actually KNOWS he's really with the princess is still a matter of debate.
[[WMG: Alternatively, Fleur de Lis is Celestia's bastard daughter.]]
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* To be more specific, she's a recycled use of Luna's [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E2ElementsOfHarmony Season 1]] model, with the colors of the younger Celestia from the Season One opener. If I may, I'd like to expand this into a complete fanfic concept. The fillyfriend, here-to-after referred to as Fleur deLis, is indeed Celestia in disguise, so she can mingle among the not-royals and learn more about how the government should be run. She also takes note of what kind of prank can be most effective on everypony in the event she feels like going Trollestia later. She hangs around as a Trophy Fillyfriend to Fancy Pants because he's the only pony in Canterlot who is even REMOTELY tolerable to her after 1000 Galas. Fleur deLis de Lis makes all those overtly-affectionate and obnoxiously-sexy poses all the time as a cover as a French (Prench?) supermodel. After all, would YOU expect Celestia to do those kind of poses constantly? No, you wouldn't, because that's not Celestia's personality type. The different Cutie Mark can be explained as white paint and a stencil, white paint and artistic skill, white paint and a trusted hoofmaiden with said art ability, or even an orphan with said artistic ability Celestia took in, which would be viewed as as, "Awww, our princess really does care about everypony." everypony," by the general public. Whether Fancy Pants actually KNOWS he's really with the princess is still a matter of debate.
[[WMG: Alternatively, [[WMG:Alternatively, Fleur de Lis is Celestia's bastard daughter.]]
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[[WMG: Princess Celestia really needs Twilight Sparkle to study friendship for her...]] ...because she doesn't quite understand how the Elements of Harmony work. When she first used the Elements thousands of years ago, she had five friends (who have since died, most likely) that made it possible, but none of them knew they were the literal elements. Celestia had no idea why the Elements of Harmony worked, just that they did. She of course, began to study it, and came to understand it to some degree, but by then she needed someone new to wield the elements while she studied them, since she no longer could.
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[[WMG: In "Royal Canterlot Wedding", Princess Celestia knew that Cadance [[spoiler: was a Changeling.]] ]]
She and Luna knew about the [[spoiler: Changelings]], and knew that they would be attracted to the Royal Wedding, so that was why security was so stringent. She noticed her niece acting strangely and watched her, but it wasn't until Twilight arrived that Celestia knew for certain. The only reason she didn't do anything about it at first was because she wanted Twilight and Shining Armor to learn to trust each other more.
She and Luna knew about the [[spoiler: Changelings]], and knew that they would be attracted to the Royal Wedding, so that was why security was so stringent. She noticed her niece acting strangely and watched her, but it wasn't until Twilight arrived that Celestia knew for certain. The only reason she didn't do anything about it at first was because she wanted Twilight and Shining Armor to learn to trust each other more.
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[[WMG: The letters Twilight sends to Celestia are intended to help the Princess with social awkwardness.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia has Twilight learning about friendship solely for Twilight's own sake.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia is actually the evil vet from WesternAnimation/CourageTheCowardlyDog.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia was formerly Sundance from G1...]]
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[[WMG: Celestia had Chrysalis stage the invasion of Canterlot]]
First, there's the Changeling's GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere status, in contrast to all other threats in story which are resurfaces of sealed evil from over a millenium ago. Then there is the inconsistisies in both Chrysalis' plans for domination and her defeat. And, of course, there's how easy it was for Celestia to lose and how the changelings just happened to know to keep the Elements of Harmony out of play. Celestia suspected that the Crystal Empire would return soon, and she knew she would have to stop Sombra again when it did, this time for good, but that Twilight and/or Cadence would have to be the ones to do so. So she went to the Badlands and found the changelings, and talked Chrysalis into leading a false coup on Canterlot during the wedding as a test/lesson for Cadence and Twilight to see if they had what it took. Chrysalis agreed 'cause it meant a solid meal and a chance to scare some poor schmucks for a day, and if the trip home left some bruises, it was WorthIt. Luna was kept out of the loop because she wuld have protested such a risky and underhanded trial, and now she's doubly pissed Big Sister's rescue scheme.
[[WMG: A hypothetical Nightmare Celestia would be an AffablyEvil Chessmaster prone to DissonantSerenity.]]
First, there's the Changeling's GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere status, in contrast to all other threats in story which are resurfaces of sealed evil from over a millenium ago. Then there is the inconsistisies in both Chrysalis' plans for domination and her defeat. And, of course, there's how easy it was for Celestia to lose and how the changelings just happened to know to keep the Elements of Harmony out of play. Celestia suspected that the Crystal Empire would return soon, and she knew she would have to stop Sombra again when it did, this time for good, but that Twilight and/or Cadence would have to be the ones to do so. So she went to the Badlands and found the changelings, and talked Chrysalis into leading a false coup on Canterlot during the wedding as a test/lesson for Cadence and Twilight to see if they had what it took. Chrysalis agreed 'cause it meant a solid meal and a chance to scare some poor schmucks for a day, and if the trip home left some bruises, it was WorthIt. Luna was kept out of the loop because she wuld have protested such a risky and underhanded trial, and now she's doubly pissed Big Sister's rescue scheme.
[[WMG: A hypothetical Nightmare Celestia would be an AffablyEvil Chessmaster prone to DissonantSerenity.]]
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[[WMG: Princess Celestia makes the stained glass windows that show the triumphs of the Mane Cast.]]
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[[WMG: In "Return of Harmony", Celestia didn't purposefully send the friendship reports back to Spike in order to restore Twilight.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia had an ulterior motive in releasing Discord.]]
Celestia mentions that her attendance is required at something called the Royal Summit in Canterlot. 'Royal Summit' sounds like an event that would involve the worlds most influential and powerful politicians all gathering in one place. So it kind of seems weird timing on her part to release a foe who, in his first episode, caused Celestia to visibly [[OhCrap shit a brick]]. What's her game?
Celestia mentions that her attendance is required at something called the Royal Summit in Canterlot. 'Royal Summit' sounds like an event that would involve the worlds most influential and powerful politicians all gathering in one place. So it kind of seems weird timing on her part to release a foe who, in his first episode, caused Celestia to visibly [[OhCrap shit a brick]]. What's her game?
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::: Something is coming down the pike that she thinks Discord's power is necessary to fight... wait, that's the season 4 finale.
[[WMG: Celestia released Discord to avoid having him (inevitably) escape later, under worse circumstances]]
[[WMG: Celestia released Discord to avoid having him (inevitably) escape later, under worse circumstances]]
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::: Something is coming down the pike that she thinks Discord's power is necessary to fight... wait, that's the season Season 4 finale.
[[WMG: Celestia [[WMG:Celestia released Discord to avoid having him (inevitably) escape later, under worse circumstances]]
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* As for Luna, assuming you mean Nightmare Moon, trapping her in the moon for 1000 years may well have actually been Luna's punishment for treason. Do bear in mind that it would liekly be a life sentence for anypony else. As for Celestia being able to get the courtiers to change, do bear in mind that the Equestrian Monarchy predates Equestria itself. Therefore, it is actually reasonable to assume Celestia CAN'T change many of the traditions.
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* As for Luna, assuming you mean Nightmare Moon, trapping her in the moon for 1000 years may well have actually been Luna's punishment for treason. Do bear in mind that it would liekly likely be a life sentence for anypony else. As for Celestia being able to get the courtiers to change, do bear in mind that the Equestrian Monarchy predates Equestria itself. Therefore, it is actually reasonable to assume Celestia CAN'T change many of the traditions.
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[[WMG: What Celestia did with anyone who rebelled against her.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia is actually Lauren Faust in disguise.]]
[[WMG: Lauren Faust is actually Celestia in disguise.]]
[[WMG: Celestia had good reasons for wanting to reform Discord]]
[[WMG: Lauren Faust is actually Celestia in disguise.]]
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[[WMG: Princess Celestia is gay and has spent some time in the closet.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia is a BigEater.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia planned for the Elements to transform Twilight.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia stole her name from another ''male'' entity who was just as harsh towards punishment as everyone feared Celestia would be.]]
The term "By Celestia's beard!" implies there was a male with Celestia's name and considering everypony's fear of Celestia preforming harsh punishments on ponies that failed her it's likely the male Celestia was a tyrant who mistreated ponies and ended up getting his name stolen by Princess Celestia as a trophy.
The term "By Celestia's beard!" implies there was a male with Celestia's name and considering everypony's fear of Celestia preforming harsh punishments on ponies that failed her it's likely the male Celestia was a tyrant who mistreated ponies and ended up getting his name stolen by Princess Celestia as a trophy.
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4th attemnpt was to bring Philomena(who may not be a real Phoenix at all but instaed the original male Celestia's [[Dragon Dragon]]) so that she could arrange an "accident" and kill Fluttershy which failed due to Philomena's incompetance by the time Celestia got back from "buisness".
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4th attemnpt attempt was to bring Philomena(who may not be a real Phoenix at all but instaed instead the original male Celestia's [[Dragon Dragon]]) so that she could arrange an "accident" and kill Fluttershy which failed due to Philomena's incompetance incompetence by the time Celestia got back from "buisness".
"business".
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6th attempt was to have the Changling Queen kill the Mane Cast which failed due to Chrysalis's incompetance.
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Chrysalis' incompetence.
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9th attempt was to use the destiny spell to cause problems that would likely end up killing one or more of the Mane Cast(and if the completed spell turns ponies into either immortal Alicorns or into Alicorn ghosts he's assured that at least the Element of Magic dosen't change hooves to a pony that would distrust his host and be willing to turn on her.
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9th attempt was to use the destiny spell to cause problems that would likely end up killing one or more of the Mane Cast(and if the completed spell turns ponies into either immortal Alicorns or into Alicorn ghosts he's assured that at least the Element of Magic dosen't doesn't change hooves to a pony that would distrust his host and be willing to turn on her.
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[[WMG: Nightmare Celestia would be an AscendedMeme of [[RonTheDeathEater Trollestia]]/[[MemeticMolester Molestia.]] ]]
The writers know their fan-base and the popular memes they've inspired (I'm looking at you Muffin Mare), and Tyrant Celestia is rather popular one. Nightmare Celestia/Nightmare Sun/[[AwesomeMcCoolname Mourning Star]] would act as a LawfulEvil tyrant who'd [[DisproportionateRetribution banish anypony who doesn't follow the rules]], and will [[CainAndAbel despise Luna.]] She might even try to cause an EndlessDaytime if she suffers a VillainousBreakdown. As for the Molestia meme, they can't show it but that doesn't mean [[HomoeroticSubtext they can't imply it.]]
[[WMG: Celestia had a ulterior motive for Ascending Twilight]]
The writers know their fan-base and the popular memes they've inspired (I'm looking at you Muffin Mare), and Tyrant Celestia is rather popular one. Nightmare Celestia/Nightmare Sun/[[AwesomeMcCoolname Mourning Star]] would act as a LawfulEvil tyrant who'd [[DisproportionateRetribution banish anypony who doesn't follow the rules]], and will [[CainAndAbel despise Luna.]] She might even try to cause an EndlessDaytime if she suffers a VillainousBreakdown. As for the Molestia meme, they can't show it but that doesn't mean [[HomoeroticSubtext they can't imply it.]]
[[WMG: Celestia had a ulterior motive for Ascending Twilight]]
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The writers know their fan-base and the popular memes they've inspired (I'm looking at you Muffin Mare), and Tyrant Celestia is rather popular one. Nightmare Celestia/Nightmare Sun/[[AwesomeMcCoolname Mourning Star]] would act as a LawfulEvil tyrant who'd [[DisproportionateRetribution banish anypony who doesn't follow the rules]], and will [[CainAndAbel despise Luna.]] She might even try to cause an EndlessDaytime if she suffers a VillainousBreakdown. As for the Molestia meme, they can't show it but that doesn't mean [[HomoeroticSubtext they can't imply
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[[WMG:Celestia had a ulterior motive for Ascending Twilight]]
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[[WMG: Princess Celestia glows in the dark.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia is every bit as kind and benevolent as she appears, if mischievous.]]
She's just prone to going to extremes because she's the most powerful pony in all of Equestria and the burden of protecting Equestria falls mostly onto her shoulders because she's the ruler. She'd rather go to the extremes of banishing threats to the moon and encasing them in stone or ice, rather than risk them massacring her subjects or torturing them without any mercy, both [[ColdBloodedTorture physical torture]] and [[MindRape mental torture]] as well as ''brutal enslavement''. She's not a MagnificentBastard, she's not a total villain, she's not a {{Troll}}, she's an immortal [[PhysicalGod physical pseudo-godddess]] with a sense of humour (she'd have to have one, being ages old) and the great burden of protecting all of her subjects from threats. She doesn't intend to groom Twilight into ruling after her, because WordOfGod states Twilight won't outlive her friends. She's grateful for Twilight and her friends because, for the first time in literally thousands of years, she (and Luna) are not the only ponies who can defend Equestria. Her subjects are that much safer. With the Elements back in the Tree of Harmony, there's not a good chance she'd call in Twilight and her friends since they can't defeat villains like they did with them.
[[WMG: Celestia teases and borderline pranks her subjects because she's trying to get them to relax around her.]]
She's just prone to going to extremes because she's the most powerful pony in all of Equestria and the burden of protecting Equestria falls mostly onto her shoulders because she's the ruler. She'd rather go to the extremes of banishing threats to the moon and encasing them in stone or ice, rather than risk them massacring her subjects or torturing them without any mercy, both [[ColdBloodedTorture physical torture]] and [[MindRape mental torture]] as well as ''brutal enslavement''. She's not a MagnificentBastard, she's not a total villain, she's not a {{Troll}}, she's an immortal [[PhysicalGod physical pseudo-godddess]] with a sense of humour (she'd have to have one, being ages old) and the great burden of protecting all of her subjects from threats. She doesn't intend to groom Twilight into ruling after her, because WordOfGod states Twilight won't outlive her friends. She's grateful for Twilight and her friends because, for the first time in literally thousands of years, she (and Luna) are not the only ponies who can defend Equestria. Her subjects are that much safer. With the Elements back in the Tree of Harmony, there's not a good chance she'd call in Twilight and her friends since they can't defeat villains like they did with them.
[[WMG: Celestia teases and borderline pranks her subjects because she's trying to get them to relax around her.]]
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She's just prone to going to extremes because she's the most powerful pony in all of Equestria and the burden of protecting Equestria falls mostly onto her shoulders because she's the ruler. She'd rather go to the extremes of banishing threats to the moon and encasing them in stone or ice, rather than risk them massacring her subjects or torturing them without any mercy, both [[ColdBloodedTorture physical torture]] and [[MindRape mental torture]] as well as ''brutal enslavement''. She's not a MagnificentBastard, she's not a total villain, she's not a {{Troll}}, she's an immortal [[PhysicalGod physical
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[[WMG: Princess Celestia was the person that wrote the book of prophecies from the pilot.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia is a(n exceptionally sane, self-aware, and benevolent) [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica Witch]] and Equestria is her Labyrinth.]]
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[[WMG: Daybreaker will be the final villain of the series.]]
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[[WMG: Luna turned evil for the reason not written accurately in legends?]]
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[[WMG: Nightmare Moon and Princess Luna are not the same pony.]]
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[[WMG: Luna acquired her Nightmare Moon form and powers through a FaustianBargain with a villain that will play a large role in season 2.]]
[[WMG: Luna won't be at the Grand Galloping Gala because she'll be busy working.]]
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[[WMG: Spark-per-spark, Luna is more powerful a magic user than Celestia.]]
When Luna, as Night Mare Moon, enacted her rebellion, her magic was strong enough to block Celestia from rising the sun. Luna herself was so powerful, Celestia had to resort to an external source, the elements of harmony, just to be able to contain her. This, of course, assuming Night Mare Moon was a fabrication of her own magic, and not an external source as well.
When Luna, as Night Mare Moon, enacted her rebellion, her magic was strong enough to block Celestia from rising the sun. Luna herself was so powerful, Celestia had to resort to an external source, the elements of harmony, just to be able to contain her. This, of course, assuming Night Mare Moon was a fabrication of her own magic, and not an external source as well.
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** Alternately, it could be a simply case of WeakButSkilled. While Celestia is stronger than Luna, she had not only far more control with her power and knew thousand of different battle spells (like a proto battle wizard), but thanks to the inherent "propieties" of the Moon with the Planet, she could alter far more direct and profound Equestria that Celestia ever could.
[[WMG: Luna occupied her thousand year sentence on the moon by building.]]
[[WMG: Luna occupied her thousand year sentence on the moon by building.]]
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** Alternately, it could be a simply case of WeakButSkilled. While Celestia is stronger than Luna, she had not only far more control with her power and knew thousand of different battle spells (like a proto battle wizard), but thanks to the inherent "propieties" "properties" of the Moon with the Planet, she could alter far more direct and profound Equestria that Celestia ever could.
[[WMG: Luna [[WMG:Luna occupied her thousand year sentence on the moon by building.]]
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[[WMG: We'll get an episode where the main cast joins Luna on a trip to the moon.]]
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** In the same episode, Pinkie pie will befriend a hyper, sentient satellite. Who may actually be space core.
[[WMG: Princess Luna will become a villain again.]]
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** In the same episode, Pinkie pie Pie will befriend a hyper, sentient satellite. Who may actually be space core.
[[WMG: Princess [[WMG:Princess Luna will become a villain again.]]
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[[WMG: During the Gala, Luna was hiding as part of a plot by Celestia to liven up the Gala in case Twilight and co. couldn't.]]
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[[WMG: Princess Luna has been spending the first season FIGHTING CRIME!]]
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*** A Pinkie Pie party for Luna? Sounds reasonable to me. Especially if Luna ends up spending a lot of time with the mane cast in season 2.
* Celestria prank: during that night Luna was busy to make all her Moon God job quick and go to bed so she can rest befor Gala next day, but after she wake up she find note from her sister (sended when Luna was asleep) telling that Celestria move Gala on this night just Luna, so Luna learn about this after Gala.
* Celestria prank: during that night Luna was busy to make all her Moon God job quick and go to bed so she can rest befor Gala next day, but after she wake up she find note from her sister (sended when Luna was asleep) telling that Celestria move Gala on this night just Luna, so Luna learn about this after Gala.
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*** A Pinkie Pie party for Luna? Sounds reasonable to me. Especially if Luna ends up spending a lot of time with the mane cast in season Season 2.
*Celestria Celestia prank: during that night Luna was busy to make all her Moon God job quick and go to bed so she can rest befor Gala next day, but after she wake up she find note from her sister (sended when Luna was asleep) telling that Celestria Celestia move Gala on this night just Luna, so Luna learn about this after Gala.
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[[WMG: Princess Luna is training offscreen in how to be a Princess]]
The reason why Luna hasn't appeared so far is becasue she is trying to train herself in how to show a non-godly visage to the population. After recovering from the Elemental attack, she and Celestia realized that Luna has no experience how to act with mortal ponies, at least in a way that doesn't result in instant idolatry/mass hysteria. While both of them are immortal, sleepless, hungerless (how otherwise she could survive in the moon), multi time existential, near omnipotent, omniscient (day/night) beings who mere presense could crush a mere pony in seconds; after Nightmare Moon Celestia worked hard for eons in how to repress and appear only as regal and noble instead of Godlike, wile Luna at her best can come as quite... "accidentally disturbing", like creating matter out of thin air (food, houses, palaces and geographic locations), reading minds and dreams, remembering things from the Future, mass population teleportation, existing in two planes of reality simultaneously and so on. After a year she is sent to Ponyville to show her results to the mane cast and is what kicks the second season plot.
[[WMG: The Great and Powerful Trixie was in fact Princess Luna in disguise.]]
The reason why Luna hasn't appeared so far is becasue she is trying to train herself in how to show a non-godly visage to the population. After recovering from the Elemental attack, she and Celestia realized that Luna has no experience how to act with mortal ponies, at least in a way that doesn't result in instant idolatry/mass hysteria. While both of them are immortal, sleepless, hungerless (how otherwise she could survive in the moon), multi time existential, near omnipotent, omniscient (day/night) beings who mere presense could crush a mere pony in seconds; after Nightmare Moon Celestia worked hard for eons in how to repress and appear only as regal and noble instead of Godlike, wile Luna at her best can come as quite... "accidentally disturbing", like creating matter out of thin air (food, houses, palaces and geographic locations), reading minds and dreams, remembering things from the Future, mass population teleportation, existing in two planes of reality simultaneously and so on. After a year she is sent to Ponyville to show her results to the mane cast and is what kicks the second season plot.
[[WMG: The Great and Powerful Trixie was in fact Princess Luna in disguise.]]
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** For a slightly different take on this assume that Celestia and Luna can do anything any of their subjects can do, except better, and that the corrupting influence could only twist Luna so far and had to pick its battles. The first means that they are [[{{Seers}} precognitive]] (since Pinkie Pie is) to a degree, and the second means that Luna was planning to keep all the ponies alive with magic when the food ran out (a task even her massive magical abilities would probably be insufficient to). Thus Luna/Nightmare Moon wanted to WIN, but she didn't ''per se'' want to kill anyone. Humbling an enemy before you in a submission they won't renege on is a more perfect victory than simply killing them. Luna had JUST enough doubt about the plan that the question she was asking her precognitive abilities when choosing between a wide variety of potential approaches was always "When this is all over, will I feel happiest on this specific course?", rather than "Will I win?". She used superior judgement to eliminate the possibility of a hollow victory, but since her precognition was seeking out a [[ExactWords very specific fact]], rather than showing a broad picture, it gave misleading results. She probably recognized that she was creating a PlotTailoredToTheParty but assumed that it was going to end with Twilight FAILING to summon the sixth element. Even when they charged eachother, Nightmare Moon was planning on going for a leg to cripple, while Twilight's own horn would have been either parried, or bounced off her magically defenses or [[PhysicalGod goddess-tough]] skin harmlessly. She was so sure she had achieved check-mate when she smashed the element-stones (possibly despite knowing it didn't actually stop the elements from being activated, since she knew that TWILIGHT didn't know that) that the arrival of the other five ponies and the activation of all six elements, combined with the "illogical" information ("You will be happier if you don't teleport away.", "You will be happier if you don't spear the purple one through the jugular.", etc) she was getting from her precognition that she suffered a brainlock that resulted in her just standing around while it happened. Then Celestia returns and offers her back everything she had lost when she was banished to the moon. All as Celestia's own precognition had predicted. So basically, it wasn't JUST a SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}}... it was a Crowning one AND the sort of [[BatmanGambit brilliant strategy]] you would expect from a ruler with many centuries, if not several millennia, of experience.
[[WMG: If need be, Luna can summon Ursa Majors to do her bidding.]]
[[WMG: If need be, Luna can summon Ursa Majors to do her bidding.]]
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** For a slightly different take on this assume that Celestia and Luna can do anything any of their subjects can do, except better, and that the corrupting influence could only twist Luna so far and had to pick its battles. The first means that they are [[{{Seers}} precognitive]] (since Pinkie Pie is) to a degree, and the second means that Luna was planning to keep all the ponies alive with magic when the food ran out (a task even her massive magical abilities would probably be insufficient to). Thus Luna/Nightmare Moon wanted to WIN, but she didn't ''per se'' want to kill anyone. Humbling an enemy before you in a submission they won't renege on is a more perfect victory than simply killing them. Luna had JUST enough doubt about the plan that the question she was asking her precognitive abilities when choosing between a wide variety of potential approaches was always "When this is all over, will I feel happiest on this specific course?", rather than "Will I win?". She used superior judgement to eliminate the possibility of a hollow victory, but since her precognition was seeking out a [[ExactWords very specific fact]], rather than showing a broad picture, it gave misleading results. She probably recognized that she was creating a PlotTailoredToTheParty but assumed that it was going to end with Twilight FAILING to summon the sixth element. Even when they charged eachother, each other, Nightmare Moon was planning on going for a leg to cripple, while Twilight's own horn would have been either parried, or bounced off her magically defenses or [[PhysicalGod goddess-tough]] skin harmlessly. She was so sure she had achieved check-mate when she smashed the element-stones (possibly despite knowing it didn't actually stop the elements from being activated, since she knew that TWILIGHT didn't know that) that the arrival of the other five ponies and the activation of all six elements, combined with the "illogical" information ("You will be happier if you don't teleport away.", "You will be happier if you don't spear the purple one through the jugular.", etc) she was getting from her precognition that she suffered a brainlock brain lock that resulted in her just standing around while it happened. Then Celestia returns and offers her back everything she had lost when she was banished to the moon. All as Celestia's own precognition had predicted. So basically, it wasn't JUST a SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}}... it was a Crowning one AND the sort of [[BatmanGambit brilliant strategy]] you would expect from a ruler with many centuries, if not several millennia, of experience.
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[[WMG: Luna allowed herself to be locked up in the moon.]]
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[[WMG: Discord is responsible for Luna becoming Nightmare Moon.]]
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*** Twilight Sparkle had a serious mental break not long after Discord was defeated. That "world-healing wave" may not be ''completely'' universal, and his mindscrewing may leave some lasting side effects.
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*** Twilight Sparkle had a serious mental break not long after Discord was defeated. That "world-healing wave" may not be ''completely'' universal, and his mindscrewing mind screwing may leave some lasting side effects.
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[[WMG: The reason Luna hasn't appeared is...]]
She's simply nocturnal. Very few of the episodes have taken place at night, even fewer (two) in Canterlot. Luna is the one in charge of the night, Celestia the day. The reason we see Celestia all the time is the majority of episodes take place during the day, when Luna is asleep. When Celestia goes to sleep, Luna takes over as acting royality through the night and governs Equestria during that time. The two sisters spend time together in early mornings and late evenings (twilight) when both would be awake. As for why she wasn't at the Gala? She's younger physically than her sister, whose to say she's not younger emotionally and simply wouldn't like going? As for how Celestia managed to do this alone for 1000 years, she probably just slept and was awakened if anything came up. Luna, being the younger sister, would've naturally been tasked with less things than her older sibling anyway, so less offical stuff probably happens at night.
[[WMG: There will be an episode detailing the events that led up to Luna becoming Nightmare Moon and being sealed in the moon.]]
She's simply nocturnal. Very few of the episodes have taken place at night, even fewer (two) in Canterlot. Luna is the one in charge of the night, Celestia the day. The reason we see Celestia all the time is the majority of episodes take place during the day, when Luna is asleep. When Celestia goes to sleep, Luna takes over as acting royality through the night and governs Equestria during that time. The two sisters spend time together in early mornings and late evenings (twilight) when both would be awake. As for why she wasn't at the Gala? She's younger physically than her sister, whose to say she's not younger emotionally and simply wouldn't like going? As for how Celestia managed to do this alone for 1000 years, she probably just slept and was awakened if anything came up. Luna, being the younger sister, would've naturally been tasked with less things than her older sibling anyway, so less offical stuff probably happens at night.
[[WMG: There will be an episode detailing the events that led up to Luna becoming Nightmare Moon and being sealed in the moon.]]
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She's simply nocturnal. Very few of the episodes have taken place at night, even fewer (two) in Canterlot. Luna is the one in charge of the night, Celestia the day. The reason we see Celestia all the time is the majority of episodes take place during the day, when Luna is asleep. When Celestia goes to sleep, Luna takes over as acting
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[[WMG: Luna is a NightmareFetishist.]]
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[[WMG: Luna will be presiding over Nightmare Night because it's a ''Nighttime'' event]]
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[[WMG: Luna is every bit as mischievious as her sis, but [[NightmareFuelStationAttendant prefers scares over pranks]]]]
Celestia has a mischievious streak, whose to say it's not a family trait? Considering Luna's BigEntrance is decidely frightening and one of the clips shows what's apparently her taking on a scary form to frighten the mane cast, it seems she ''likes'' giving people a good scare, but mostly just as harmless fun. On this note, it'll be explained that she ''invented'' Nightmare Night in the first place due to this belief.
[[WMG: Luna is a Goa'uld]]
Celestia has a mischievious streak, whose to say it's not a family trait? Considering Luna's BigEntrance is decidely frightening and one of the clips shows what's apparently her taking on a scary form to frighten the mane cast, it seems she ''likes'' giving people a good scare, but mostly just as harmless fun. On this note, it'll be explained that she ''invented'' Nightmare Night in the first place due to this belief.
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[[WMG: The reason Luna's mane changed between seasons... ]]
... is that it reflects her general power level ''at the time''. Bear with me here, this is different than her regaining power between seasons. We've seen lots of fanart with a younger Celestia having a plain pink mane. Perhaps her mane has its celestial [[BuffySpeak glowy-ness]] during the day, when it would make sense for the, y'know, sun goddess to be more powerful. In turn, Luna's mane would be plain during the day and all glowy at night, since she'd have more power at night.
... is that it reflects her general power level ''at the time''. Bear with me here, this is different than her regaining power between seasons. We've seen lots of fanart with a younger Celestia having a plain pink mane. Perhaps her mane has its celestial [[BuffySpeak glowy-ness]] during the day, when it would make sense for the, y'know, sun goddess to be more powerful. In turn, Luna's mane would be plain during the day and all glowy at night, since she'd have more power at night.
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...is that it reflects her general power level ''at the time''. Bear with me here, this is different than her regaining power between seasons. We've seen lots of fanart with a younger Celestia having a plain pink mane. Perhaps her mane has its celestial [[BuffySpeak glowy-ness]] during the day, when it would make sense for the, y'know, sun goddess to be more powerful. In turn, Luna's mane would be plain during the day and all glowy at night, since she'd have more power at night.
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[[WMG: Luna is a female alicorn version of [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor.]] ]]
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[[WMG: Star Swirl the Bearded was Luna's apprentice]]
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[[WMG: All is not well for the Mare in the Moon]]
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[[WMG: Luna is nocturnal.]]
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[[WMG: Night Mare Moon was just a fictional persona that Luna made up.]]
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[[WMG: If Princess Celestia is a horse incarnation of [[VideoGame/{{Okami}} Amaterasu]], then Princess Luna is a horse incarnation of ''VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}}''.]]
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[[WMG: Luna is the Equestrian goddess of death.]]
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[[WMG: Luna wasn't banished to the Moon--she was banished to the Warp.]]
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[[WMG: The Reason for Luna's Mane-over.]]
The first time we see her (in episode 2) is during the day. Her powers may have been diminished. We will see her in Season 2 during Nightmare '''Night''', in all her nocturnal splendor -- hence the wavy mane.
The first time we see her (in episode 2) is during the day. Her powers may have been diminished. We will see her in Season 2 during Nightmare '''Night''', in all her nocturnal splendor -- hence the wavy mane.
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[[WMG: Luna was almost cured before her thousand years of imprisonment were up. Then came the astronauts...]]
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[[WMG: Luna played a role in defeating Nightmare Moon]].
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[[WMG: Nightmare Moon is capable of invading ponies' minds]]
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[[WMG:Nightmare Moon is capable of invading ponies' minds]]
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[[WMG: The monsters in the Everfree Forest are part of Luna's purview.]]
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[[WMG: Luna's appearance changes between season 1 and season 2 because she has "phases", just like the moon]]
[[RuleOfSymbolism It makes sense, doesn't it?]] Her kind of small, weak-looking form in the second episode could be her "new moon" form (which actually fits very well with her "newly redeemed" status at that moment) while her taller, more powerful-looking form in "Luna Eclypsed" could be more like a half moon or even a waxing crescent.
[[RuleOfSymbolism It makes sense, doesn't it?]] Her kind of small, weak-looking form in the second episode could be her "new moon" form (which actually fits very well with her "newly redeemed" status at that moment) while her taller, more powerful-looking form in "Luna Eclypsed" could be more like a half moon or even a waxing crescent.
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[[RuleOfSymbolism It makes sense, doesn't it?]] Her kind of small, weak-looking form in the second episode could be her "new moon" form (which actually fits very well with her "newly redeemed" status at that moment) while her taller, more powerful-looking form in "Luna
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[[WMG: Twilight's findings about Friendship are being used for Luna's rehabilitation.]]
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[[WMG: Luna really ''REALLY'' hates Celestia.]]
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[[WMG: Luna has a pet MoonRabbit.]]
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[[WMG: Luna is FAR more powerful than her sister]]
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[[WMG: A cohesive theory for everything that happened to Luna.]]
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[[WMG:A cohesive theory for everything that happened to Luna.]]
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[[WMG: Luna's appearance changes in time with the lunar cycles. Or the lunar cycles are dependant on Luna's appearance.]]
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[[WMG: Cerberus is Luna's pet.]]
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[[WMG: Luna actually sleeps in or on the moon.]]
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[[WMG: Mass guessing about where Luna spends her days, GO!]]
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[[WMG: Luna actively participated in the battle for Canterlot.]]
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[[WMG: Princess Luna was added to [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E25ACanterlotWeddingPart1 "A Canterlot Wedding, Part 1"]] and [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E26ACanterlotWeddingPart2 "A Canterlot Wedding, Part 2"]] at the last minute.]]
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[[WMG: Luna has her own palace somewhere else in Equestria, complete with her own capital around it.]]
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[[WMG: Nightmare Moon isn't evil per se so much as a misguided yang to Princess Luna's yin.]]
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[[WMG: Luna has been acting as Regent for the Crystal Kingdom.]]
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[[WMG: Luna Uses a Different Sort of Magic than Celestia]]
* The end of the season 3 premiere seemed to hint that Luna might be teaching Twilight a bit in the near future. As we saw with King Sombra, there are different sorts of magic out there. Luna uses a different sort (more emotion based? more elemental? etc) that she and her sister wish Twilight to be proficient in. She is also more direct than her sister and will be less of a TricksterMentor.
[[WMG: Luna's forming her own team in case the Element holders are corrupted.]]
* The end of the season 3 premiere seemed to hint that Luna might be teaching Twilight a bit in the near future. As we saw with King Sombra, there are different sorts of magic out there. Luna uses a different sort (more emotion based? more elemental? etc) that she and her sister wish Twilight to be proficient in. She is also more direct than her sister and will be less of a TricksterMentor.
[[WMG: Luna's forming her own team in case the Element holders are corrupted.]]
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[[WMG: King Sombra is the reason Luna became Nightmare Moon]]
We learned in the opener of Season Three that ''1000 years'' ago the Crystal Empire vanished and King Sombra was banished to the north by Celestia and Luna. We also know that ''1000 years'' ago Nightmare Moon was banished to the moon. But, from the brief flashback at the beginning of the episode, we can see Luna was not yet Nightmare Moon when banishing Sombra. Which means her corruption probably happened shortly afterward.
We learned in the opener of Season Three that ''1000 years'' ago the Crystal Empire vanished and King Sombra was banished to the north by Celestia and Luna. We also know that ''1000 years'' ago Nightmare Moon was banished to the moon. But, from the brief flashback at the beginning of the episode, we can see Luna was not yet Nightmare Moon when banishing Sombra. Which means her corruption probably happened shortly afterward.
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[[WMG: Princess Luna will eventually return to her Nightmare Moon coloring.]]
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[[WMG: Luna has attempted to create wishing stars.]]
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[[WMG: Luna will end up leaving Equestria to found a moon colony.]]
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[[WMG: Alternatively, the Moon colony is real, and the fan animation "Children of the Night" is right...]]
And the colony is full of [[spoiler: orphaned and disenfranchised children]] who she wants to take under her wing in a better and safer world. (Seen here..[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW5n3k2VgZE]].)
And the colony is full of [[spoiler: orphaned and disenfranchised children]] who she wants to take under her wing in a better and safer world. (Seen here..[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW5n3k2VgZE]].)
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[[WMG: If Luna ever engages in HamToHamCombat with someone, the universe will be destroyed by a Ham Singularity.]]
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[[WMG: Princess Luna didn't have her DreamWalker abilities back before she became Nightmare Moon.]]
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[[WMG: Princess Luna is Granny Pie.]]
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[[WMG: Luna's archaic mannerisms in "Luna Eclipsed" were her idea of [[ForHalloweenIAmGoingAsMyself For Nightmare Night I'm Going As Myself]].]]
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[[WMG: Luna actually always was a DreamWalker, even before Nightmare Moon...it just ultimately didn't do her any good.]]
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[[WMG: Luna woke up Rainbow Dash to go save Scootaloo in "Sleepless in Ponyville".]]
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[[WMG: Luna will turn evil in Season 4…sort of.]]
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[[WMG: Luna is very close friends with Sapphire Shores.]]
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[[WMG: Winged unicorns aren't a naturally occurring race -- the princesses are just incredibly skilled unicorn sorceresses with a host of enchantments on top.]]
Note how they're called unicorns in the S1 opening. Also, unicorns used to raise the sun and the moon, according to the Hearth's Waming eve play. All it takes to become a princess pony are these spells:
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Their skills with other magic came much later; they didn't have anywhere near the talent with non-solar/lunar magic that, say, Twilight does, but have had several millenia to practice. By the time Luna went loco, Celestia had such a great understanding of magic that she could not only wield the elements of harmony single-hoofedly, she could also mimic her sister's cutie mark power.
[[WMG: Princess Celestia created Nightmare Night as a way to soften Princess Luna's image when she returned.]]
[[WMG: Princess Celestia created Nightmare Night as a way to soften Princess Luna's image when she returned.]]
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Their skills with other magic came much later; they didn't have anywhere near the talent with non-solar/lunar magic that, say, Twilight does, but have had several millenia millennia to practice. By the time Luna went loco, Celestia had such a great understanding of magic that she could not only wield the elements of harmony single-hoofedly, she could also mimic her sister's cutie mark power.
[[WMG: Princess [[WMG:Princess Celestia created Nightmare Night as a way to soften Princess Luna's image when she returned.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna became goddesses after defeating Discord (and related guesses)]]
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[[WMG: The Princesses are not actually sisters by blood]]
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* Supported by the Princesses looking nothing at all like each other except for body type (which, judging from the sign outside the beauty parlor, may just be the visual "shorthand" for pony beauty, similar to the "handsome" colt bodytype in the Gala episode). Most other instances of blood relation in the pony universe have shown ponies with similar colour palettes.
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* Supported by the Princesses looking nothing at all like each other except for body type (which, judging from the sign outside the beauty parlor, may just be the visual "shorthand" for pony beauty, similar to the "handsome" colt bodytype body type in the Gala episode). Most other instances of blood relation in the pony universe have shown ponies with similar colour palettes.
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[[WMG: The Canterlot Sculpture Garden doesn't actually contain any ''sculptures''...]]
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* Alternately, they could be good heroic ponies who let themselves be turned into stone [[KingInTheMountain in case Equestria needed them later.]]
[[WMG: Celestia and Luna are not responsible for raising the Sun and Moon....]]
....they are instead responsible for rotating the planet; assuming the sun is still 1.3 million times the size of the planet, it's a less impressive feat than actually moving the sun, but still godlike. This is the ONLY power ANY of the ponies have that are far reaching outside of Equesteria if the previous {{WMG}}s above are correct, with Celestia being forced to do double duty after Luna was imprisoned during her FaceHeelTurn.
[[WMG: Celestia and Luna are refered to as Princesses because they actually are Princesses.]]
[[WMG: Celestia and Luna are not responsible for raising the Sun and Moon....]]
....they are instead responsible for rotating the planet; assuming the sun is still 1.3 million times the size of the planet, it's a less impressive feat than actually moving the sun, but still godlike. This is the ONLY power ANY of the ponies have that are far reaching outside of Equesteria if the previous {{WMG}}s above are correct, with Celestia being forced to do double duty after Luna was imprisoned during her FaceHeelTurn.
[[WMG: Celestia and Luna are refered to as Princesses because they actually are Princesses.]]
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* Alternately, they could be good heroic ponies who let themselves be turned into stone [[KingInTheMountain in case Equestria needed them later.]]
[[WMG: Celestialater]].
[[WMG:Celestia and Luna are not responsible for raising the Sun andMoon....Moon...]]
....they are instead responsible for rotating the planet; assuming the sun is still 1.3 million times the size of the planet, it's a less impressive feat than actually moving the sun, but still godlike. This is the ONLY power ANY of the ponies have that are far reaching outside ofEquesteria Equestria if the previous {{WMG}}s above are correct, with Celestia being forced to do double duty after Luna was imprisoned during her FaceHeelTurn.
[[WMG: Celestia [[WMG:Celestia and Luna are refered referred to as Princesses because they actually are Princesses.]]
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[[WMG:Celestia and Luna are not responsible for raising the Sun and
....they are instead responsible for rotating the planet; assuming the sun is still 1.3 million times the size of the planet, it's a less impressive feat than actually moving the sun, but still godlike. This is the ONLY power ANY of the ponies have that are far reaching outside of
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* It seems that with the mythology theme pervading the series the creator gods are probably equine versions of [[Myth/GreekMythology Gaia and Oranos]].
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* Or it could be a buffer from Celestia to maintain her humbleness. While she is a God and quite likely the mightiest being in the Verse (probably second to old Luna [she ''did'' need the elements of Harmony to defeat her]), she realized that even a God can become drunk with power and adoration or the lack of it. So she declared herself a princess, ''a power to be'' instead of a Queen/Empress, who already has absolute power and created the entire Monarchy to divide ruling and responsibility and to mantain a tight check in her ever since.
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* Or it could be a buffer from Celestia to maintain her humbleness. While she is a God and quite likely the mightiest being in the Verse (probably second to old Luna [she ''did'' need the elements of Harmony to defeat her]), she realized that even a God can become drunk with power and adoration or the lack of it. So she declared herself a princess, ''a power to be'' instead of a Queen/Empress, who already has absolute power and created the entire Monarchy to divide ruling and responsibility and to mantain maintain a tight check in her ever since.
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[[WMG: A twofer: Luna and Celestia aren't ponies, but horses; horses are basically "cave ponies."]]
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna are the founders of all three pony races]]
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[[WMG: The reason we bever see Celestia and Luna's parents is because of copyright laws (spoilers for Webcomic/YuMeDream)]]
... for you see, Equestria is actually [[Webcomic/YumeDream Nod]]. The current queen of Equestria was a very young girl who killed Don by mistake, yet was somehow still chosen by Nod to rule. She used her newfound powers to turn all the residents of the regular dream world into ponies (several thousand dream years has lead to them forgetting their true forms- after all, Equestrains don't seem to be very good at keeping track of history), found her prince charming, and had two daughters (who are the ones who actually have all the responsibility). But we never learn this, because in revealing her true appearance, we'd see her swirly eye and hair- and Rosalarian is not allowing them to do that for some reason or other. (why they don't just use a LawyerFriendlyCameo or the like is beyond me)
[[WMG: Celestia and Luna are the [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Nobody and Heartless]], respectively, of Equestria's true ruler.]]
... for you see, Equestria is actually [[Webcomic/YumeDream Nod]]. The current queen of Equestria was a very young girl who killed Don by mistake, yet was somehow still chosen by Nod to rule. She used her newfound powers to turn all the residents of the regular dream world into ponies (several thousand dream years has lead to them forgetting their true forms- after all, Equestrains don't seem to be very good at keeping track of history), found her prince charming, and had two daughters (who are the ones who actually have all the responsibility). But we never learn this, because in revealing her true appearance, we'd see her swirly eye and hair- and Rosalarian is not allowing them to do that for some reason or other. (why they don't just use a LawyerFriendlyCameo or the like is beyond me)
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...for you see, Equestria is actually [[Webcomic/YumeDream Nod]]. The current queen of Equestria was a very young girl who killed Don by mistake, yet was somehow still chosen by Nod to rule. She used her newfound powers to turn all the residents of the regular dream world into ponies (several thousand dream years has lead to them forgetting their true forms- after all,
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[[WMG: Alternatively, Nightmare Moon is Luna's Heartless; Chrysalis is her Nobody.]]
In Kingdom Hearts, Heartless are created when people give into the darkness in their hearts. In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', Luna becomes Nightmare Moon for a similar reason. Celestia returns Luna to normal in the second episode in the same way that [[spoiler: Kairi restored Sora in the first Kingdom Hearts game, which suggests that Celestia is a Princess of Heart in this continuity.]]
[[WMG: Celestia Didn't banish Luna to the moon, she only banished Nightmare moon.]]
In Kingdom Hearts, Heartless are created when people give into the darkness in their hearts. In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', Luna becomes Nightmare Moon for a similar reason. Celestia returns Luna to normal in the second episode in the same way that [[spoiler: Kairi restored Sora in the first Kingdom Hearts game, which suggests that Celestia is a Princess of Heart in this continuity.]]
[[WMG: Celestia Didn't banish Luna to the moon, she only banished Nightmare moon.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna are the same pony.]]
"Celestia" and "Luna" are two sides of the pony goddess's personality. Celestia is the goddess's "light" side, which places a great emphasis on friendship, whereas Luna is the "dark" side, more self-centered, focused on the austere beauty of the night and looking inward to herself. The myth that tells of Celestia banishing Luna to the moon using the Elements of Harmony actually represents the goddess using the Elements of Harmony to strengthen her light side and repress her dark side, allowing her to usher Equestria into a thousand years of prosperity and friendship. This involves locking some of her essence away in the moon, in the form of Nightmare Moon. She allows the spell to last for a thousand years, hoping that in that time, she'll be able to find a way to reconcile her two sides.
* In the modern day, Celestia knows that her suppression of her dark side is wearing off. "Nightmare Moon" is going to "break free", meaning that the goddess's dark side will be active again, and probably dominant after a thousand years of not having to fight against it. Knowing this, Celestia sets up the mane cast to recover the Elements of Harmony. When the spell ends and Luna becomes dominant, the goddess still retains enough of her light side to create the trials in the forest that establish the six ponies as embodying the Elements. When the ponies defeat Nightmare Moon, their use of both the physical (the rock thingies) and emotional Elements helps the goddess reconcile her two sides. The scene where Celestia and Luna embrace and tell each other how much they missed each other and how glad they are to be back together, is a visual representation of the goddess finding mental harmony.
"Celestia" and "Luna" are two sides of the pony goddess's personality. Celestia is the goddess's "light" side, which places a great emphasis on friendship, whereas Luna is the "dark" side, more self-centered, focused on the austere beauty of the night and looking inward to herself. The myth that tells of Celestia banishing Luna to the moon using the Elements of Harmony actually represents the goddess using the Elements of Harmony to strengthen her light side and repress her dark side, allowing her to usher Equestria into a thousand years of prosperity and friendship. This involves locking some of her essence away in the moon, in the form of Nightmare Moon. She allows the spell to last for a thousand years, hoping that in that time, she'll be able to find a way to reconcile her two sides.
* In the modern day, Celestia knows that her suppression of her dark side is wearing off. "Nightmare Moon" is going to "break free", meaning that the goddess's dark side will be active again, and probably dominant after a thousand years of not having to fight against it. Knowing this, Celestia sets up the mane cast to recover the Elements of Harmony. When the spell ends and Luna becomes dominant, the goddess still retains enough of her light side to create the trials in the forest that establish the six ponies as embodying the Elements. When the ponies defeat Nightmare Moon, their use of both the physical (the rock thingies) and emotional Elements helps the goddess reconcile her two sides. The scene where Celestia and Luna embrace and tell each other how much they missed each other and how glad they are to be back together, is a visual representation of the goddess finding mental harmony.
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* In the modern day, Celestia knows that her suppression of her dark side is wearing off. "Nightmare Moon" is going to "break free", meaning that the
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna are the only survivors of the "war of the heavens"]]
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[[WMG: Celestia (or Fluttershy) would be a perfect Sugar Wiki mascot, and Luna would be a perfect Darth Wiki mascot.]]
[[WMG: Luna and Celestia have a brother.]]
And his job is moving the planet to ensure proper distribution of geo-thermal heat.
[[WMG: Luna and Celestia have a brother.]]
And his job is moving the planet to ensure proper distribution of geo-thermal heat.
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[[WMG: Luna and Celestia are actually the same age]]
Its just that the sun is naturally bigger than the moon.
[[WMG: Princess Celestia proclaimed the Summer Sun Celebration out of regret.]]
Its just that the sun is naturally bigger than the moon.
[[WMG: Princess Celestia proclaimed the Summer Sun Celebration out of regret.]]
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* This is actually a pretty logical idea. She knew the people probably wouldn't understand why Nightmare Moon did what she did, but knew they'd appreciate the sun's resturn after her defeat. So she disgused it while still atoning for her sister.
[[WMG: The Summer Sun Celebration is Celestia's alarm clock.]]
[[WMG: The Summer Sun Celebration is Celestia's alarm clock.]]
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* This is actually a pretty logical idea. She knew the people probably wouldn't understand why Nightmare Moon did what she did, but knew they'd appreciate the sun's resturn return after her defeat. So she disgused disguised it while still atoning for her sister.
[[WMG: The [[WMG:The Summer Sun Celebration is Celestia's alarm clock.]]
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[[WMG: The Elements of Harmony are a system for creating new Alicorns by fusion of a Pegasus, a Unicorn, and an Earth Pony]]
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[[WMG: Celestia trapped Luna in the moon when she was a young filly]]
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[[WMG: The Mare on the Moon WAS just a legend]]
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** Alternant posibility. The Nightmare Moon legend WAS true, but the Mare On The Moon legend ''WASN'T''. Celestia realized that Twilight and friends could free her sister (knowing they were meant to be true friends from the Sonic Rainboom before) and that the legend just so happened to coincide with the next day. So she asigned Twilight to read that particular legend, knowing her curiousity would cause her to investigate further and then freed Nightmare Moon herself so not only could Twilight have friends, but free her sister.
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** Alternant posibility.Alternate possibility. The Nightmare Moon legend WAS true, but the Mare On The Moon legend ''WASN'T''. Celestia realized that Twilight and friends could free her sister (knowing they were meant to be true friends from the Sonic Rainboom before) and that the legend just so happened to coincide with the next day. So she asigned Twilight to read that particular legend, knowing her curiousity curiosity would cause her to investigate further and then freed Nightmare Moon herself so not only could Twilight have friends, but free her sister.
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[[WMG: Both princesses are horses, not ponies]]
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna aren't gods, just ponies with very rare talents.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna assumed that Discord was dead.]]
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[[WMG: Discord made Celestia and Luna]]
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna's respective elements]]
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna are mutants.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna never wielded the full power of the Elements of Harmony.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna have always been the supreme rulers and never "usurped" the throne. Discord's "reign" was merely that of unleashing havoc.]]
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[[WMG: After "Return Of Harmony", Celestia and Luna launched the Discord statue into space.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna have empathic connections with the sun/moon and stars.]]
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[[WMG: There will be a Cutie Mark Crusaders episode featuring how Celestia and Luna got their Cutie Marks]]
Well we've found out how the Mane Cast got theirs, and "Call Of The Cutie" ended with Celestia reading Twilight's letter and the camera zoomed in on her Cutie Mark as she thought about it. It'd certainly be intresting.
Well we've found out how the Mane Cast got theirs, and "Call Of The Cutie" ended with Celestia reading Twilight's letter and the camera zoomed in on her Cutie Mark as she thought about it. It'd certainly be intresting.
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna's parents were lost in a great battle]]
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[[WMG: Queen = Unified, Princess = Shared]]
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[[WMG: Neither Celestia nor Luna are aware that Luna was corrupted by an outside force into turning into [[MadGod Nightmare Moon]]]]
Celestia and Luna both threat her return to normal as if she'd actually done something wrong, Celestia begging her to end their fighting and Luna asking for {{Forgiveness}}, and her upcoming appearence has her as TheAtoner. Plus, the legend makes Luna out as a GreenEyedMonster ultimately corrupted by her own bitterness. Celestia didn't write history wrong, she just wrote what she knew, that her sister got bitter and jealous then turned bad, not that she was corrupted by an outside force. Neither of them know that anything more than her being overwhelmed by jealousy was the cause. For Luna, it was simply a "what was I thinking?" reaction to her actions. She doesn't know why she acted like that but believes she did it of her own accord. They may have realized this afterwards when they could think it out or realize later when that outside force shows itself.
[[WMG: Twilight Sparkle is a descendant of the Royal sisters]]
Celestia and Luna both threat her return to normal as if she'd actually done something wrong, Celestia begging her to end their fighting and Luna asking for {{Forgiveness}}, and her upcoming appearence has her as TheAtoner. Plus, the legend makes Luna out as a GreenEyedMonster ultimately corrupted by her own bitterness. Celestia didn't write history wrong, she just wrote what she knew, that her sister got bitter and jealous then turned bad, not that she was corrupted by an outside force. Neither of them know that anything more than her being overwhelmed by jealousy was the cause. For Luna, it was simply a "what was I thinking?" reaction to her actions. She doesn't know why she acted like that but believes she did it of her own accord. They may have realized this afterwards when they could think it out or realize later when that outside force shows itself.
[[WMG: Twilight Sparkle is a descendant of the Royal sisters]]
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna have no parents.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna are genetically engineered beings.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna were the very first ponies to receive cutie marks]]
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[[WMG: '''[[NoIndoorVoice THE TRADITIONAL ROYAL CANTERLOT VOICE]]''' was phased out after Celestia and Luna sealed Discord]]
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[[WMG: The Princesses have two "selves", one to appear more regal, and their true form]]
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[[WMG: The Princesses are {{Pure Magic Being}}s]]
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[[WMG: '''[[NoIndoorVoice THE TRADITIONAL ROYAL CANTERLOT VOICE]]''' and other archaic forms of speech were only used by the high court to address their subjects]]
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[[WMG: Guesses about the bat-winged ponies who pulled Princess Luna's chariot.]]
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[[WMG: The Princesses are [[CompositeCharacter Composite Characters]] of the Mane Six]].
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[[WMG: The Princesses are Fused Lifeforms]]
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[[WMG: The Princesses' parents are known as Queen Gaia and King Chronos.]]
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[[WMG: The Princesses were behind all the special effects for the [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E13HearthsWarmingEve Hearth's Warming Eve pageant]]]]
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[[WMG: The Princesses came into being from ponykind's belief in them.]]
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[[WMG:The sisters/princesses are the founders of Equestia]]
Note the flag that was planted in the Winter's Hearth play. The story either omitted or is partially corrupted. If ommission then the three "servants" succeeded their masters into rule and became the three Alicorns. If corruption, then there was ever only three ponys. The "rulers" of the play were given all the negative aspects and sympathetic "servants" were added for narrative purposes. Either way the results is the same. Celestia was the unicorn for near certain. Luna could go Earth or Pegasus. Cadance can't be placed directly till she appears in show. Maybe Celestia suggested relevant roles to the Mane Six based on this.
Note the flag that was planted in the Winter's Hearth play. The story either omitted or is partially corrupted. If ommission then the three "servants" succeeded their masters into rule and became the three Alicorns. If corruption, then there was ever only three ponys. The "rulers" of the play were given all the negative aspects and sympathetic "servants" were added for narrative purposes. Either way the results is the same. Celestia was the unicorn for near certain. Luna could go Earth or Pegasus. Cadance can't be placed directly till she appears in show. Maybe Celestia suggested relevant roles to the Mane Six based on this.
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[[WMG:The sisters/princesses are the founders of Equestia]]
Equestria]]
Note the flag that was planted in the Winter's Hearth play. The story either omitted or is partially corrupted. Ifommission omission then the three "servants" succeeded their masters into rule and became the three Alicorns. If corruption, then there was ever only three ponys.ponies. The "rulers" of the play were given all the negative aspects and sympathetic "servants" were added for narrative purposes. Either way the results is the same. Celestia was the unicorn for near certain. Luna could go Earth or Pegasus. Cadance can't be placed directly till she appears in show. Maybe Celestia suggested relevant roles to the Mane Six based on this.
Note the flag that was planted in the Winter's Hearth play. The story either omitted or is partially corrupted. If
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** Personality wise she's a cross between Fluttershy (Shy ackwardness and the "YOU WILL LOVE ME!") and Rainbowdash (Pride and love of sports.
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** Personality wise she's a cross between Fluttershy (Shy ackwardness awkwardness and the "YOU WILL LOVE ME!") and Rainbowdash (Pride and love of sports.
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[[WMG: The princess are the purified Windigos]]
The Windigos are beings that feed on disharmony to create snowstorms and coldness. Once the first founders of Equastria created the Hearth's Warming Eve. Ala Nightmare Moon, instead of destroying them, they were purified and became the princesses.
If enough disharmony occurss between their subjects, they will revert back.
[[WMG: The princesses are descended from Princess Platinum]]
With her title, it just makes sense. Plus, the alchemical symbol for platinum is the sun symbol joined with the moon symbol. Perhaps Rainbow Dash was crossplaying and Commander Hurricane was male, and perhaps he and Princess Platinum came to more than simply tolerate each other, resulting in the two alicorns we've seen.
The Windigos are beings that feed on disharmony to create snowstorms and coldness. Once the first founders of Equastria created the Hearth's Warming Eve. Ala Nightmare Moon, instead of destroying them, they were purified and became the princesses.
If enough disharmony occurss between their subjects, they will revert back.
[[WMG: The princesses are descended from Princess Platinum]]
With her title, it just makes sense. Plus, the alchemical symbol for platinum is the sun symbol joined with the moon symbol. Perhaps Rainbow Dash was crossplaying and Commander Hurricane was male, and perhaps he and Princess Platinum came to more than simply tolerate each other, resulting in the two alicorns we've seen.
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The Windigos are beings that feed on disharmony to create snowstorms and coldness. Once the first founders of
If enough disharmony
With her title, it just makes sense. Plus, the alchemical symbol for platinum is the sun symbol joined with the moon symbol. Perhaps Rainbow Dash was
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[[WMG: The princesses were born to regular, mortal parents.]]
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[[WMG: Luna and Celestia do have other Alicorn relatives.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna both have a [[VideoGame/TeamFortress2 a team of nine elite guards]].]]
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[[WMG: The title of "princess" is a case of CallARabbitASmeerp.]]
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[[WMG: Luna and Celestia are exactly equal in power.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna can spend only small amounts of time around each other.]]
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[[WMG: The Princesses imprisoned their divine predecessors and the Windigos and a host of other creatures in Tartarus]]
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[[WMG: Celestia's position was once just a local position elected from all available alicorns before the population of Equestria grew and spread and the alicorn race died out.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna are Changelings.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna are twins.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna ''are'' [[Manga/WeddingPeach Celestia]] and [[Franchise/SailorMoon Luna]].]]
[[WMG: Alicorn immortality is simply repeated Age Spells]]
[[WMG: Alicorn immortality is simply repeated Age Spells]]
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna originally had each other's cutie marks/destinies until Starswirl switched them.]]
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[[WMG: Princess Celestia and Princess Luna are half-sisters.]]
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[[WMG: Cadence and Twilight will eventually rule Equestria as sisters...]]
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna kept control of the Sun and Moon to politically disenfranchise the Unicorn population.]]
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[[WMG: The Celetia and Luna have a immortal jellyfish-style immortality.]]
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* That might also explain Pink!lestia. That's a transitional phase.
[[WMG: The Princess do not just rule Equestria; they ARE Equestria.]]
As shown in 'Hearth's Warming Eve', the original three pony tribes had what reasonably seemed to be mortal rulers, and presumably when the three tribes joined to form Equestria, they also had a mortal ruler (or democracy). At the end of the episode, a banner is planted that has two alicorns -- very similar looking to Celestia and Luna -- with the sun and moon forming a ying-yang symbol, like the one seen in the opener of the series pilot episode. This is somewhat problematic for the show, as it was established in the play narrative that these events occurred before Celestia and Luna were around. However, it could be taken as the ponies, wanting something to represent their new collective unity, used the sun and moon (which would be very important for them -- despite the fact that these objects are controllable -- as they provide warmth, food, and life to the populace) as symbols along with a pony for each entity with the combined traits of the three pony tribes.
[[WMG: The Princess do not just rule Equestria; they ARE Equestria.]]
As shown in 'Hearth's Warming Eve', the original three pony tribes had what reasonably seemed to be mortal rulers, and presumably when the three tribes joined to form Equestria, they also had a mortal ruler (or democracy). At the end of the episode, a banner is planted that has two alicorns -- very similar looking to Celestia and Luna -- with the sun and moon forming a ying-yang symbol, like the one seen in the opener of the series pilot episode. This is somewhat problematic for the show, as it was established in the play narrative that these events occurred before Celestia and Luna were around. However, it could be taken as the ponies, wanting something to represent their new collective unity, used the sun and moon (which would be very important for them -- despite the fact that these objects are controllable -- as they provide warmth, food, and life to the populace) as symbols along with a pony for each entity with the combined traits of the three pony tribes.
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* That might also explain Pink!lestia.Pinklestia. That's a transitional phase.
[[WMG: The [[WMG:The Princess do not just rule Equestria; they ARE Equestria.]]
As shown in 'Hearth's Warming Eve', the original three pony tribes had what reasonably seemed to be mortal rulers, and presumably when the three tribes joined to form Equestria, they also had a mortal ruler (or democracy). At the end of the episode, a banner is planted that has two alicorns -- very similar looking to Celestia and Luna -- with the sun and moon forming aying-yang yin-yang symbol, like the one seen in the opener of the series pilot episode. This is somewhat problematic for the show, as it was established in the play narrative that these events occurred before Celestia and Luna were around. However, it could be taken as the ponies, wanting something to represent their new collective unity, used the sun and moon (which would be very important for them -- despite the fact that these objects are controllable -- as they provide warmth, food, and life to the populace) as symbols along with a pony for each entity with the combined traits of the three pony tribes.
As shown in 'Hearth's Warming Eve', the original three pony tribes had what reasonably seemed to be mortal rulers, and presumably when the three tribes joined to form Equestria, they also had a mortal ruler (or democracy). At the end of the episode, a banner is planted that has two alicorns -- very similar looking to Celestia and Luna -- with the sun and moon forming a
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[[WMG: Princess Celestia and Princess Luna are [[FusionDance fused characters]], specifically of the Founders of Equestria]]
* Clover the Clever was a student of Starswirl the Bearded; thus, she had some exposure to his attempts to invent an alicornification spell (she learned of it by snooping, they discussed theory, she was in the vicinity when he tested it, whatever). When cornered by the Windigoes, she cast the alicornification spell as a last-ditch effort, by instinct, or it casted itself; either way, with the power of the Fire of Friendship available, it finally worked, fusing Private Pansy (gentle, kind), Smartcookie (level-headed, practical) and Clover the Clever (academic, cunning) into Princess Celestia, and Princess Platinum (regal), Commander Hurricane (proud and militaristic) and Chancellor Puddinghead (silliness-prone) into Princess Luna. As a side-effect, the spell also ''refined'' the Fire of Friendship ''into'' the Elements of Harmony. When Twilight Sparkle casted the alicornification spell, the Elements of Harmony had already been forged and were available, and still carried the essences of the founders, providing her the Earth and Pegasus aspects without consuming her friends.
* Clover the Clever was a student of Starswirl the Bearded; thus, she had some exposure to his attempts to invent an alicornification spell (she learned of it by snooping, they discussed theory, she was in the vicinity when he tested it, whatever). When cornered by the Windigoes, she cast the alicornification spell as a last-ditch effort, by instinct, or it casted itself; either way, with the power of the Fire of Friendship available, it finally worked, fusing Private Pansy (gentle, kind), Smartcookie (level-headed, practical) and Clover the Clever (academic, cunning) into Princess Celestia, and Princess Platinum (regal), Commander Hurricane (proud and militaristic) and Chancellor Puddinghead (silliness-prone) into Princess Luna. As a side-effect, the spell also ''refined'' the Fire of Friendship ''into'' the Elements of Harmony. When Twilight Sparkle casted the alicornification spell, the Elements of Harmony had already been forged and were available, and still carried the essences of the founders, providing her the Earth and Pegasus aspects without consuming her friends.
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* Clover the Clever was a student of Starswirl the Bearded; thus, she had some exposure to his attempts to invent an alicornification spell (she learned of it by snooping, they discussed theory, she was in the vicinity when he tested it, whatever). When cornered by the
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[[WMG: [[spoiler:The Tree of Harmony is the source of Celestia and Luna's longevity]] ]]
[[spoiler: In Princess Twilight part 2 we get a good look at the tree of Harmony. The tree's trunk has Celestia and Luna's cutie marks etched into it. This would imply that they are tied to the tree in some way. As it seems to be far, far more powerful that the elements by themselves, It is possible that it is an/the anchor of their magic and if they are connected to a powerful magic font then that would definitely explain how they became immortal. Coincidentally this may also imply that by returning the elements to the tree at the end of the episode the Main Six bound themselves to it as well. As the elements did not shift back to their generic gemstone shapes but maintained the shapes of the main six's cutie marks.]]
[[WMG: Celestia and Luna ascended from Earth pony to Alicorn]]
[[spoiler: In Princess Twilight part 2 we get a good look at the tree of Harmony. The tree's trunk has Celestia and Luna's cutie marks etched into it. This would imply that they are tied to the tree in some way. As it seems to be far, far more powerful that the elements by themselves, It is possible that it is an/the anchor of their magic and if they are connected to a powerful magic font then that would definitely explain how they became immortal. Coincidentally this may also imply that by returning the elements to the tree at the end of the episode the Main Six bound themselves to it as well. As the elements did not shift back to their generic gemstone shapes but maintained the shapes of the main six's cutie marks.]]
[[WMG: Celestia and Luna ascended from Earth pony to Alicorn]]
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[[WMG: [[http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/12/shining-armor-confirmed.html Upcoming characters]] Princess Cadance and Shining Armor ([[EarlyBirdCameo featured]] on a display seen during a party at Hasbro's world headquarters)'s roles in the show]]
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*** [[spoiler: And [[spoiler:And it will be called Bridlemaids.]]
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** The reason we have never heard of her until now is because the Princess Sisters have kept her a secret her whole life out of fear that something might happen to her. Eventually, Cadance gets tired of being sheltered and locked away in a castle and decides to escape. over her journey, she meets the Mane Six, some freaky monsters, and of course, Shining Armor. They fall in love, Celestia finds out, freaks out, but eventually realizes that her daughter is a fully-grown mare now and she needs to live her own life and all that good stuff. And [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments we]] [[TearJerker will]] [[ManlyTears cry.]]
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** The reason we have never heard of her until now is because the Princess Sisters have kept her a secret her whole life out of fear that something might happen to her. Eventually, Cadance gets tired of being sheltered and locked away in a castle and decides to escape. over her journey, she meets the Mane Six, some freaky monsters, and of course, Shining Armor. They fall in love, Celestia finds out, freaks out, but eventually realizes that her daughter is a fully-grown mare now and she needs to live her own life and all that good stuff. And [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments we]] [[TearJerker will]] [[ManlyTears cry.]]cry]].
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[[WMG: The power of love in Equestria.]]
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[[WMG: Princess Cadance rules some other area of the world.]]
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[[WMG: Cadance was one of the last Elements of Harmony]]
She's the only other allicorn we've met, so using what we know it's worth suggesting
She's the only other allicorn we've met, so using what we know it's worth suggesting
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[[WMG: Cadance leads to more Luna.]]
It might be the writers’ wish to make episodes focusing on the immortal elders of our heroines. However, as both the Mane 6 and the CMC are [[PowerTrio multiples of three]], the royal duo wouldn’t fit the show’s formula. Cue princess Cadance, the third alicorn. Hopefully, she will provide a lot of character development to her peers, and we will love her for that. Her marriage with Shining Armor could also make her the “[[TheHecateSisters mother]]” to Luna’s “maiden” and Celestia’s “crone”.
It might be the writers’ wish to make episodes focusing on the immortal elders of our heroines. However, as both the Mane 6 and the CMC are [[PowerTrio multiples of three]], the royal duo wouldn’t fit the show’s formula. Cue princess Cadance, the third alicorn. Hopefully, she will provide a lot of character development to her peers, and we will love her for that. Her marriage with Shining Armor could also make her the “[[TheHecateSisters mother]]” to Luna’s “maiden” and Celestia’s “crone”.
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[[WMG: Cadance is like the cupid of Equestria.]]
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* Perhaps her talent is reinforcing bonds between ponies--she might be reminding the arguing couple, or [[spoiler: Shining Armor]] of their love for each other, pushing that bond and love to the forefront of their mind, so much so that it drowns out all else. As she got older, she learned to do it with more finesse so that it doesn't love-brain-blast whoever she uses her spell on.
[[WMG: Cadance's appearance will offer some explanation to alicorns in Equestria.]]
[[WMG: Cadance's appearance will offer some explanation to alicorns in Equestria.]]
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* Perhaps her talent is reinforcing bonds between ponies--she might be reminding the arguing couple, or [[spoiler: Shining [[spoiler:Shining Armor]] of their love for each other, pushing that bond and love to the forefront of their mind, so much so that it drowns out all else. As she got older, she learned to do it with more finesse so that it doesn't love-brain-blast whoever she uses her spell on.
[[WMG: Cadance's [[WMG:Cadance's appearance will offer some explanation to alicorns in Equestria.]]
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[[WMG: Cadance was specifically made into an alicorn for specifically for toy purposes.]]
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[[WMG: Cadance had numerous husbands.]]
Being immortal, she knew she was doomed to [[MayflyDecemberRomance mourn them all]] eventually. Yet it has never stopped her from seeking love. After one of her relationships ended in tragedy because of a potion, she did try to be more like Celestia and Luna, but quickly found out that she couldn’t. Her defining talent is to help others find their very special somepony, who sometimes turns out to be herself. Family-wise, she is essentially the [[Literature/{{Discworld}} Gytha Ogg]] of Equestria, having great-grand-children in every corner of the principality. This, alas, includes Blueblood.
[[WMG: Cadance wasn't born an alicorn.]]
Being immortal, she knew she was doomed to [[MayflyDecemberRomance mourn them all]] eventually. Yet it has never stopped her from seeking love. After one of her relationships ended in tragedy because of a potion, she did try to be more like Celestia and Luna, but quickly found out that she couldn’t. Her defining talent is to help others find their very special somepony, who sometimes turns out to be herself. Family-wise, she is essentially the [[Literature/{{Discworld}} Gytha Ogg]] of Equestria, having great-grand-children in every corner of the principality. This, alas, includes Blueblood.
[[WMG: Cadance wasn't born an alicorn.]]
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Being immortal, she knew she was doomed to [[MayflyDecemberRomance mourn them all]] eventually. Yet it has never stopped her from seeking love. After one of her relationships ended in tragedy because of a potion, she did try to be more like Celestia and Luna, but quickly found out that she
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[[WMG: Cadance's dark secret is that...]]
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[[WMG: We already met two of Cadance's kids.]]
They are Prince Blueblood and Fleur de Lise, Fancy Pants' trophy wife. They aren't at the wedding because Cadance specifically did not want the former to attend while Fleur was busy with something else and Cadance was respecting her wishes.
* Cadence is shown to be only a little older than Twilight, and about the same age as Shining Armor. Blueblood and Fleur de Lise would be far too old to be her children.
They are Prince Blueblood and Fleur de Lise, Fancy Pants' trophy wife. They aren't at the wedding because Cadance specifically did not want the former to attend while Fleur was busy with something else and Cadance was respecting her wishes.
* Cadence is shown to be only a little older than Twilight, and about the same age as Shining Armor. Blueblood and Fleur de Lise would be far too old to be her children.
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* Cadence is shown to be only a little older than Twilight, and about the same age as Shining Armor. Blueblood and Fleur de
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[[WMG: Princess Cadence is an [[Franchise/AssassinsCreed Assassin]].]]
* If you think about it, she DOES have an Italian-sounding name (full name: Princess Mi Amore de Candenza), [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII like another Assassin we all know and love]], and considering how much Franchise/AssassinsCreed fanart is out there and how often the cast and crew give nods to the fandom, we might see some Robed Ponies out there.... and I'll be darned if one of them isn't Princess Cadence. If it weren't for the fact that Cadence's dark secret is that [[spoiler: she's really a Changeling and that the ''REAL'' Princess Cadence was trapped in the caves under Canterlot]], this probably would've ended up being under the {{WMG}} which speculates at what her dark secret is.
[[WMG: Princess Cadance is also adept at increasing others' friendship and storgé.]]
* If you think about it, she DOES have an Italian-sounding name (full name: Princess Mi Amore de Candenza), [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII like another Assassin we all know and love]], and considering how much Franchise/AssassinsCreed fanart is out there and how often the cast and crew give nods to the fandom, we might see some Robed Ponies out there.... and I'll be darned if one of them isn't Princess Cadence. If it weren't for the fact that Cadence's dark secret is that [[spoiler: she's really a Changeling and that the ''REAL'' Princess Cadence was trapped in the caves under Canterlot]], this probably would've ended up being under the {{WMG}} which speculates at what her dark secret is.
[[WMG: Princess Cadance is also adept at increasing others' friendship and storgé.]]
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[[WMG: Princess Cadence will [[MagikarpPower become far more powerful when she gets older]]]]
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[[WMG: Cadence's faux pas in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E25ACanterlotWeddingPart1 "A Canterlot Wedding, Part 1"]] were mostly Twilight being an UnreliableNarrator.]]
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[[WMG: Queen Chrysalis was accurately portraying an upset Cadance.]]
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[[WMG: Cadence is not a 'true' Alicorn.]]
Rather, she is a semi-logical extension of Pumpkin and Pound Cake's weird genetics. Where they got their unicorn/pegasus traits from old ancestors, Cadence got her wings from Celestia; however, unlike Celestia and Luna, who are combinations of all three races, Cadence is more like a Unicorn with wings attached: she doesn't seem to have the strength of an Earth Pony, and the only time she uses her wings is to glide when she and Twilight are [[spoiler: escaping the caverns and rescuing Spike and the Crystal Heart after being hurled by Shining Armor]], so it's possible she can't actually fly on her wings, only glide. Of course, she's still a very powerful unicorn, and descended from the Princesses, hence her title. She also isn't a goddess, just a very powerful unicorn whose special talent is something related to love.
* If you take the chapter books into account, this is ''sort of'' true. She's an Alicorn in the same way [[spoiler: Twilight]] is, except Cadance was a ''pegasus'' before becoming an Alicorn, not a unicorn. Which means she can probably fly just dandy. it's actually unfair to say she can't really fly, because in both instances we've seen her fly, she was severely weakened and starved for days. She was in the caves beneath for days before Twilight found her and Chrysalis was feeding off her love for Shining Armour (which we saw wreaked havoc on him, too), and Shining Armour says she doesn't (or rather, it's clear she ''can't'') sleep or eat when protecting her people from Sombra. The full story of how her becoming an Alicorn happened is in the chapter book. She probably became an Alicorn and a princess shortly before being hired on to foalsit Twilight. She wasn't born an Alicorn like Celestia and Luna were. According to the chapter book, she was adopted into the royal family.
[[WMG: Cadence being Twilight's foal-sitter was another of Celestia's tests.]]
Rather, she is a semi-logical extension of Pumpkin and Pound Cake's weird genetics. Where they got their unicorn/pegasus traits from old ancestors, Cadence got her wings from Celestia; however, unlike Celestia and Luna, who are combinations of all three races, Cadence is more like a Unicorn with wings attached: she doesn't seem to have the strength of an Earth Pony, and the only time she uses her wings is to glide when she and Twilight are [[spoiler: escaping the caverns and rescuing Spike and the Crystal Heart after being hurled by Shining Armor]], so it's possible she can't actually fly on her wings, only glide. Of course, she's still a very powerful unicorn, and descended from the Princesses, hence her title. She also isn't a goddess, just a very powerful unicorn whose special talent is something related to love.
* If you take the chapter books into account, this is ''sort of'' true. She's an Alicorn in the same way [[spoiler: Twilight]] is, except Cadance was a ''pegasus'' before becoming an Alicorn, not a unicorn. Which means she can probably fly just dandy. it's actually unfair to say she can't really fly, because in both instances we've seen her fly, she was severely weakened and starved for days. She was in the caves beneath for days before Twilight found her and Chrysalis was feeding off her love for Shining Armour (which we saw wreaked havoc on him, too), and Shining Armour says she doesn't (or rather, it's clear she ''can't'') sleep or eat when protecting her people from Sombra. The full story of how her becoming an Alicorn happened is in the chapter book. She probably became an Alicorn and a princess shortly before being hired on to foalsit Twilight. She wasn't born an Alicorn like Celestia and Luna were. According to the chapter book, she was adopted into the royal family.
[[WMG: Cadence being Twilight's foal-sitter was another of Celestia's tests.]]
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Rather, she is a semi-logical extension of Pumpkin and Pound Cake's weird genetics. Where they got their unicorn/pegasus traits from old ancestors, Cadence got her wings from Celestia; however, unlike Celestia and Luna, who are combinations of all three races, Cadence is more like a Unicorn with wings attached: she doesn't seem to have the strength of an Earth Pony, and the only time she uses her wings is to glide when she and Twilight are
* If you take the chapter books into account, this is ''sort of'' true. She's an Alicorn in the same way
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[[WMG: [[http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Star_Dreams Star Dreams]] is the daughter of Shining Armor and Cadence]]
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[[WMG: Cadance's {{Bridezilla}} behavior in "A Canterlot Wedding, Part 1" was intended to make her come off as a {{Parody| Sue}} JerkSue.]]
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[[WMG: Princess Cadence[[note]]I'll stick with that spelling for now, thanks[[/note]] is...simply the daughter of a brother or sister of Celestia and Luna whom we haven't seen yet.]]
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[[WMG: Cadence was originally intended to be the daughter of Fancy Pants and Fleur de Lis.]]
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[[WMG: Cadance is the princess of a major territory or province that belongs to Equestria.]]
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[[WMG: Cadance is Princess Celestia's daughter by Fancypants, and Fleur is her adoptive mother.]]
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[[WMG: Princess Mi Amore Cadenza insists on being called Cadance because...]]
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[[WMG: Cadance will be pregnant in the Crystal Ponies story.]]
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[[WMG: Cadance will be suspected of being "[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheChamberOfSecrets The Heir of Sombra]]"]]
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[[WMG: Princess Cadence is King Sombra's daughter]]
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[[WMG: Princess Cadance has mastered a translation spell.]]
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[[WMG: Princess Cadance is a descendant of the original queen of the Crystal Empire]]
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[[WMG: Related to the above, regardless of any relation to past rulers, Cadence's destiny was ''always'' to become ruler of the Crystal Empire.]]
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[[WMG: Cadance is Luna's daughter.]]
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[[WMG: Cadence is a recovered "''{{Chuunibyou}}''"]]
Chuunibyou, or "Eigth-Grader Syndrome", is defined as a sudden outburst of hyperactive imagination among second-year junior high kids and its associated delusions of grandeur. Cadence went through this during her adolescence, which may explain where "Princess Mi Amore Cadenza" originated.
Chuunibyou, or "Eigth-Grader Syndrome", is defined as a sudden outburst of hyperactive imagination among second-year junior high kids and its associated delusions of grandeur. Cadence went through this during her adolescence, which may explain where "Princess Mi Amore Cadenza" originated.
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[[WMG: There's nothing special about Cadance's alicorn-ness]]
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[[WMG: Cadance is in charge of relations with other countries.]]
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[[WMG: Princess Cadance originally learned magic from Twilight Sparkle's parents.]]
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[[WMG: Princess Cadence is descended from the rulers of the Crystal Empire and is part Crystal Pony.]]
Prior to King Sombre's takeover of the Crystal Empire, Cadence's ancestor -- daughter of the Empire's true rulers -- fled the Crystal Empire. Without the influence of the Crystal Heart she reverted to looking like an Earth Pony, albeit one with a very distinctive, multi-coloured mane.
Prior to King Sombre's takeover of the Crystal Empire, Cadence's ancestor -- daughter of the Empire's true rulers -- fled the Crystal Empire. Without the influence of the Crystal Heart she reverted to looking like an Earth Pony, albeit one with a very distinctive, multi-coloured mane.
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Celestia recognised Cadence's crystal pony nature and perhaps recognized her as being descended from the Crystal Princess (possibly due to the Crystal Heart in her Cutiemark this is why when the Crystal Empire returned she sent Cadence and Shining Armor to the Empire and why Cadence was made the ruler of the Empire -- she ''is'' the Crystal Princess. As her Crystal Pony blood has been diluted she does not remain in her crystal form after the Crystal Heart is restored.
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Celestia recognised Cadence's crystal pony nature and perhaps recognized her as being descended from the Crystal Princess (possibly due to the Crystal Heart in her Cutiemark Cutie Mark this is why when the Crystal Empire returned she sent Cadence and Shining Armor to the Empire and why Cadence was made the ruler of the Empire -- she ''is'' the Crystal Princess. As her Crystal Pony blood has been diluted she does not remain in her crystal form after the Crystal Heart is restored.
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* Cadence's Cutiemark includes the Crystal Heart
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[[WMG: Shining Armor is Twilight Sparkle's ''Half''-Brother.]]
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[[WMG: Shining Armor has been in the military.]]
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[[WMG: Shining Armor used to be a jerk.]]
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* After seeing him in action (and in Twilight's flashbacks), we can safely consider these two {{Jossed}}. The one 'jerk' moment he has -- his reaction to Twilight's really annoyingly vague accusation that "Cadence" is somehow "evil" -- is both one he shares with everypony else present and decidedly out of character for him (at least partly justified by [[spoiler: Chrysalis's manipulations and]] the constant stress of having to maintain the shield around Canterlot); he reverts right back to being her [[BigBrotherWorship B.B.B.F.F.]] once the Changelings are dealt with.
[[WMG: Shining Armor's special talent is protection.]]
[[WMG: Shining Armor's special talent is protection.]]
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* After seeing him in action (and in Twilight's flashbacks), we can safely consider these two {{Jossed}}. The one 'jerk' moment he has -- his reaction to Twilight's really annoyingly vague accusation that "Cadence" is somehow "evil" -- is both one he shares with everypony else present and decidedly out of character for him (at least partly justified by [[spoiler: Chrysalis's [[spoiler:Chrysalis' manipulations and]] the constant stress of having to maintain the shield around Canterlot); he reverts right back to being her [[BigBrotherWorship B.B.B.F.F.]] once the Changelings are dealt with.
[[WMG: Shining [[WMG:Shining Armor's special talent is protection.]]
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[[WMG: Shining Armor's groomsmen are going to be a parallel, SpearCounterpart group to the mane six.]]
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*** There were three Groomsmen (The Models were Caramel, Cherry Coke and Blues), but still {{Jossed}} in that they don't speak.
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*** There were three Groomsmen (The Models were Caramel, Cherry Coke Coke, and Blues), but still {{Jossed}} in that they don't speak.
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[[WMG: Shining Armor will receive a WhatTheHellHero speech from his sister.]]
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[[WMG: Shining Armor is [[UltimateEvil the ruler and creator of Tartarus]] and the [[TheManBehindtheMan real]] [[ManipulativeBastard mastermind]] [[TheDogWasTheMastermind behind]] [[EvilAllAlong everything]].]]
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[[WMG: Shining Armor will replace Celestia as the show's designated [[TheWorfEffect Worf]].]]
[[WMG: Shining Armor insists that people only refer to him by his first and middle name.]]
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[[WMG: Shining Armor isn't really that good a commander.]]
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* I like that, perhaps it is related to love? I mean, Shining Armor and Cadence defeated you know who using the power of love, perhaps it as to do with the elements of love and why not.
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* I like that, perhaps it is it's related to love? I mean, Shining Armor and Cadence defeated you know who using the power of love, perhaps it as to do with the elements of love and why not.
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[[WMG: Shining Armor will have another fight with his sister again, this time it'll be more serious than the wedding rehearsal incident, and it will escalates to SiblingRivalry.]]
[[WMG: Shining Armor will develop an inferiority complex.]]
Why? Alicorns. Alicorns everywhere. His wife is an alicorn. His boss is an alicorn. His boss's sister is an alicorn. His ''own'' sister is now an alicorn. Even if those four are the only four alicorns in Equestria, he's still probably going to be one of the few ponies who's ever honestly able to say he was, at one point, the only ''non''-alicorn in the room. As alicorns are rare, special, and majestic, and he's just a plain old ordinary unicorn… Yeah. That can't lead to anything good.
[[WMG: Shining Armor is the most powerful unicorn to ever live.]]
[[WMG: Shining Armor will develop an inferiority complex.]]
Why? Alicorns. Alicorns everywhere. His wife is an alicorn. His boss is an alicorn. His boss's sister is an alicorn. His ''own'' sister is now an alicorn. Even if those four are the only four alicorns in Equestria, he's still probably going to be one of the few ponies who's ever honestly able to say he was, at one point, the only ''non''-alicorn in the room. As alicorns are rare, special, and majestic, and he's just a plain old ordinary unicorn… Yeah. That can't lead to anything good.
[[WMG: Shining Armor is the most powerful unicorn to ever live.]]
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Why? Alicorns. Alicorns everywhere. His wife is an alicorn. His boss is an alicorn. His
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[[WMG: Shining Armor will be slain by the next ArcVillain.]]
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[[WMG: Alternately, Shining Armor will suffer a Cutie Mark Failure Insanity Syndrome breakdown.]]
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[[WMG: Flurry Heart will get kidnapped by a villain in the season six opener.]]
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* Flurry Heart's potential kidnapper might not be a returning foe. Instead her kidnapper could be a new villain. If it is a new villain, it could be a BadassNormal Earth Pony from a foreign land, who wants to somehow harness the baby princess's magic to conquer their homeland. An aspiring warlord who kidnaps children would definitely fit in and continue the show having [[VileVillainSaccharineShow dangerous and frightening antagonists]].
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* Flurry Heart's potential kidnapper might not be a returning foe. Instead her kidnapper could be a new villain. If it is a new villain, it could be a BadassNormal Earth Pony from a foreign land, who wants to somehow harness the baby princess's princess' magic to conquer their homeland. An aspiring warlord who kidnaps children would definitely fit in and continue the show having [[VileVillainSaccharineShow dangerous and frightening antagonists]].
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[[WMG: Flurry Heart's debut will involve some babysitting shenanigans.]]
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[[WMG: Flurry Heart’s cutie mark will have yellow in it.]]
All unicorns and alicorns have ColorCodedWizardry, and what color their magic is ''somewhere'' on their bodies. (Example: Twilight’s is hot pink like the streak in her mane and cutie mark.) Flurry’s is yellow, yet she doesn’t have a trace of yellow on her...at least not when we see her. When she gets her cutie mark, it will be yellow. She would also be taking after her mother, as Cadence’s color is cyan, and the only cyan she has is on her cutie mark.
[[WMG: In a later episode, when Flurry Heart is older, her parents will tell her why they gave her her name.]]
All unicorns and alicorns have ColorCodedWizardry, and what color their magic is ''somewhere'' on their bodies. (Example: Twilight’s is hot pink like the streak in her mane and cutie mark.) Flurry’s is yellow, yet she doesn’t have a trace of yellow on her...at least not when we see her. When she gets her cutie mark, it will be yellow. She would also be taking after her mother, as Cadence’s color is cyan, and the only cyan she has is on her cutie mark.
[[WMG: In a later episode, when Flurry Heart is older, her parents will tell her why they gave her her name.]]
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[[WMG: Flurry Heart will be the next Princess of Love.]]
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[[WMG: Flurry Heart will be the main protagonist in a sequel series following the adventures of the Mane Six's children.]]
There's plenty of potential for the future characterization of Flurry Heart, and in such a spin-off, she could take the place of Twilight Sparkle with said pony taking the role of Princess Celestia as a mentor. They, in turn, can learn their own lessons about friendship whle Flurry Heart simultaneously has to deal with the stresses and responsibilities of a ruler.
[[WMG: Flurry Heart will become an in-universe equivalent to [[Anime/DragonBallZ Son Gohan]].]]
There's plenty of potential for the future characterization of Flurry Heart, and in such a spin-off, she could take the place of Twilight Sparkle with said pony taking the role of Princess Celestia as a mentor. They, in turn, can learn their own lessons about friendship whle Flurry Heart simultaneously has to deal with the stresses and responsibilities of a ruler.
[[WMG: Flurry Heart will become an in-universe equivalent to [[Anime/DragonBallZ Son Gohan]].]]
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[[WMG: Flurry Heart will grow up to be the [[ActualPacifist Princess of Peace/Diplomacy]].]]
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As they are so rare, any time an Alicorn is born, it is taken by the royal family and raised in the palace. Why? Because like how a baby unicorn has little control over it’s telekinetic magic, an Alicorn has little control over it’s '''EARTH-SHATTERING''' magic. It needs to be raised away from the rest of ponykind, first off to control it, secondly to avoid forming emotional bonds with it’s still-mortal parents and siblings, and finally, to figure groom it as a possible heir to the throne. Celestia and Luna are considered “sisters” because Luna was found when Celestia was still a foal. When the two of them matured, all subsequent alicorns viewed the pair as adoptive aunts.
* Alicorns are allowed to marry, but there is a good chance that they are sterile. Prince Bloodblood comes from Celestia’s biological family (they were all unicorns)
As they are so rare, any time an Alicorn is born, it is taken by the royal family and raised in the palace. Why? Because like how a baby unicorn has little control over it’s telekinetic magic, an Alicorn has little control over it’s '''EARTH-SHATTERING''' magic. It needs to be raised away from the rest of ponykind, first off to control it, secondly to avoid forming emotional bonds with it’s still-mortal parents and siblings, and finally, to figure groom it as a possible heir to the throne. Celestia and Luna are considered “sisters” because Luna was found when Celestia was still a foal. When the two of them matured, all subsequent alicorns viewed the pair as adoptive aunts.
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* Alicorns are allowed to marry, but there is a good chance that they are sterile. Prince Bloodblood comes from
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[[WMG: Prince Blueblood could have been ruler of the Crystal Empire.]]
In the book "Twilight Sparkle and the Crystal Heart Spell" Cadence reveals that she [[spoiler: was born a pegasus pony but was granted Alicorn status- much like Twilight]] after she defeated enchantress Prismia with the "Power of Love". It was then that [[spoiler: Princess Celestia brought to Canterlot to raise her as her royal niece]] presumably setting her up/ training her to become leader of the Crystal Empire (as it needs the power of love to function).
In the book "Twilight Sparkle and the Crystal Heart Spell" Cadence reveals that she [[spoiler: was born a pegasus pony but was granted Alicorn status- much like Twilight]] after she defeated enchantress Prismia with the "Power of Love". It was then that [[spoiler: Princess Celestia brought to Canterlot to raise her as her royal niece]] presumably setting her up/ training her to become leader of the Crystal Empire (as it needs the power of love to function).
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* Somewhat confirmed, [[spoiler: Twilight is going to become an Alicorn.]]
** In the book "Twilight and the Crystal Heart Spell" it is revealed that [[spoiler: Cadence underwent the same process as Twilight when she became an alicorn (but because she defeated an enchantress with compassion- not a spell).]]
[[WMG: Cadence, Blueblood and any other 'nieces and/or nephews' are only related via adoption]]
** In the book "Twilight and the Crystal Heart Spell" it is revealed that [[spoiler: Cadence underwent the same process as Twilight when she became an alicorn (but because she defeated an enchantress with compassion- not a spell).]]
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* Somewhat confirmed, [[spoiler: Twilight [[spoiler:Twilight is going to become an Alicorn.]]
** In the book "Twilight and the Crystal Heart Spell" it is revealed that[[spoiler: Cadence [[spoiler:Cadence underwent the same process as Twilight when she became an alicorn (but because she defeated an enchantress with compassion- not a spell).]]
[[WMG: Cadence, [[WMG:Cadence, Blueblood and any other 'nieces and/or nephews' are only related via adoption]]
** In the book "Twilight and the Crystal Heart Spell" it is revealed that
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Earth Ponies must perform a Great Task. Unicorns must reach Magical Mastery. Pegasus must fly to a metaphorical Higher Plane.
[[WMG: Celestia, Luna (and perhaps Cadence) have paid a price for Immortality via Infertility.]]
Earth Ponies must perform a Great Task. Unicorns must reach Magical Mastery. Pegasus must fly to a metaphorical Higher Plane.
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She seems beautiful (by Pony Standards), powerful, beloved and should have no shortage of potential partners that would be honored to be choosen as her mate.
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[[WMG: The alicorns are linked to the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_planet classical planets]].]]
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* More over, Princess Cadance's real name is "Mi Amore Cadenza", which is pseudo-Italian. You know what else is pseudo-Italian? Roman! Venus was a Roman goddess, with love powers, like Princess Cadence. Princess Cadence, then, is princess of the actual planet Venus, but gets love powers because she's almost Roman. It just makes sense!
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* More over, Moreover, Princess Cadance's real name is "Mi Amore Cadenza", which is pseudo-Italian. You know what else is pseudo-Italian? Roman! Venus was a Roman goddess, with love powers, like Princess Cadence. Princess Cadence, then, is princess of the actual planet Venus, but gets love powers because she's almost Roman. It just makes sense!
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...Their mother (a.k.a. The Fausticorn) is still the Queen of Equestria. Celestia and Luna are just keeping things in order while she's gone. Speaking of which, where in Tartarus is she?!
...Their mother (a.k.a. The Fausticorn) is still the Queen of Equestria. Celestia and Luna are just keeping things in order while she's gone. Speaking of which, where in Tartarus is she?!
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[[WMG: Prince Blueblood is the way he is because...]]
He can't use magic. Think about it, did you every see him use any? He picked up that rose with his mouth, refuses to open the door, and eats with his hoof (the other incidents can be chalked up to even Rarity didn't think of using magic).
He can't use magic. Think about it, did you every see him use any? He picked up that rose with his mouth, refuses to open the door, and eats with his hoof (the other incidents can be chalked up to even Rarity didn't think of using magic).
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[[WMG: The Equestian royalty represents love.]]
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* The synopsis for the upcoming book ''Under the Sparking Sea'' mentions a "Cosmic Council", of which at least Celestia is a member; make of that what you will.
[[WMG: Diamond Tiara will at some point attempt to Buy a royal title]]
[[WMG: Diamond Tiara will at some point attempt to Buy a royal title]]
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* The synopsis for the upcoming book ''Under the Sparking Sparkling Sea'' mentions a "Cosmic Council", of which at least Celestia is a member; make of that what you will.
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* Luna -- Wielded the elements of Loyalty, Honesty and Laughter, not sure which one would fit her best. Leaning towards Honesty. Loyalty would be tragically ironic since she ended up fighting her sister.
[[WMG: Princess Celestia has a hand in creating the show.]]
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* Luna -- Wielded the elements of Loyalty, Honesty Honesty, and Laughter, not sure which one would fit her best. Leaning towards Honesty. Loyalty would be tragically ironic since she ended up fighting her sister. \n\n\n[[WMG: Princess
[[WMG:Princess Celestia has a hand in creating the show.]]
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* [[spoiler: Twilight is Phileo (Friendship)]]- Also self-explanatory.
[[WMG: The King and Queen of Equestia will Appear in Season 4...]]
* And when they see that a non-royal ([[spoiler: Twilight]]) is now an alicorn princess, [[BerserkButton you'd better watch out, Celestia.]]
[[WMG: The King and Queen of Equestia will Appear in Season 4...]]
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* [[spoiler: Twilight [[spoiler:Twilight is Phileo (Friendship)]]- Also self-explanatory.
[[WMG: The [[WMG:The King and Queen of Equestia Equestria will Appear in Season 4...]]
* And when they see that a non-royal([[spoiler: Twilight]]) ([[spoiler:Twilight]]) is now an alicorn princess, [[BerserkButton you'd better watch out, Celestia.]]Celestia]].
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna's family are a AlternateUniverse take on Myth/ClassicalMythology.]]
In Ancient Greek legend, Cronus overthrew his father Ouranos. In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', it was ''Hyperion'' who overthrew his father. Celestia is the goddess of the sun or dawn, and Luna is the goddess of the moon. In Myth/GreekMythology, the sun, dawn and moon gods are ''all'' children of this little-known Titan. Celestia is the ponyfied equivalent of Eos, Goddess of the Dawn and Luna is the ponified equivalent of Selene, Goddess of the Moon. Princess Candance is one of the Heliades, and daughter to the ponyfied equivalent of Helios, God of the Sun. Discord is the son of Eris, who's the embodiment of strife and ''discord''(not a genderbent Eris, since we'd be even more screwed if that was the case). Instead, he's the male equivalent to Dysnomia, Goddess of Lawlessness.
[[WMG: The alicorn princesses are [[PhysicalGod deities]] instead of (or in addition to) royalty.]]
In Ancient Greek legend, Cronus overthrew his father Ouranos. In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', it was ''Hyperion'' who overthrew his father. Celestia is the goddess of the sun or dawn, and Luna is the goddess of the moon. In Myth/GreekMythology, the sun, dawn and moon gods are ''all'' children of this little-known Titan. Celestia is the ponyfied equivalent of Eos, Goddess of the Dawn and Luna is the ponified equivalent of Selene, Goddess of the Moon. Princess Candance is one of the Heliades, and daughter to the ponyfied equivalent of Helios, God of the Sun. Discord is the son of Eris, who's the embodiment of strife and ''discord''(not a genderbent Eris, since we'd be even more screwed if that was the case). Instead, he's the male equivalent to Dysnomia, Goddess of Lawlessness.
[[WMG: The alicorn princesses are [[PhysicalGod deities]] instead of (or in addition to) royalty.]]
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In Ancient Greek legend, Cronus overthrew his father Ouranos. In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', it was ''Hyperion'' who overthrew his father. Celestia is the goddess of the sun or dawn, and Luna is the goddess of the moon. In Myth/GreekMythology, the sun, dawn and moon gods are ''all'' children of this little-known Titan. Celestia is the
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* Chances are they'll get [[FoeYay shipped together]] anyways.
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* Chances are they'll get [[FoeYay [[FoeYayShipping shipped together]] anyways.
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*** Okay, that one is ActuallyPrettyFunny.
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*** Okay, that one is ActuallyPrettyFunny.pretty funny.
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His skill with force fields is such that he can use them to create any 3D shape, not just spheres, much like the ComicBook/GreenLanternCorps and [[Franchise/FantasticFour Sue Storm]].
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His skill with force fields is such that he can use them to create any 3D shape, not just spheres, much like the ComicBook/GreenLanternCorps ComicBook/GreenLantern and [[Franchise/FantasticFour Sue Storm]].
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[[WMG:Cadance is at least as old as Celestia and Luna]]
In ''[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]]'' Tirek recognizes Celestia, Luna, and Cadance. But he did not know anything about Twilight Sparkle, because she was born way after Tirek got banished. This must means Tirek met or at least heard about Cadance before his banishment. Cadance is as much immortal as the other two. (Or at least they have just longer lifespans).
In ''[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]]'' Tirek recognizes Celestia, Luna, and Cadance. But he did not know anything about Twilight Sparkle, because she was born way after Tirek got banished. This must means Tirek met or at least heard about Cadance before his banishment. Cadance is as much immortal as the other two. (Or at least they have just longer lifespans).
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However, she eventually [[HeelRealization realized she had become]] [[NotSoDifferent distressingly similar to]] Nightmare Moon. Despite presenting a pretty and idealistic image to her subjects, inwardly she had grown cold and detached, viewing them as mere ''subjects'' where once she would have counted some of them as ''friends''. She also came to understand the sort of bitter loneliness and frustration that led to her sister's betrayal in the first place. Gradually, Celestia grew from [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask wearing the queenly mask]] into an honestly benevolent ruler. With Luna's return, she hopes to reconnect with her as well and hopefully keep her from falling back into the same pitfalls and temptations.
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However, she eventually [[HeelRealization realized she had become]] [[NotSoDifferent distressingly similar to]] to Nightmare Moon. Despite presenting a pretty and idealistic image to her subjects, inwardly she had grown cold and detached, viewing them as mere ''subjects'' where once she would have counted some of them as ''friends''. She also came to understand the sort of bitter loneliness and frustration that led to her sister's betrayal in the first place. Gradually, Celestia grew from [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask wearing the queenly mask]] into an honestly benevolent ruler. With Luna's return, she hopes to reconnect with her as well and hopefully keep her from falling back into the same pitfalls and temptations.
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* Got the idea from [[http://www.fimfiction.net/story/125713/who-wants-to-live-forever a fanfic]] in which Fluttershy ends up with a "phoenix flame" burning inside of her, so whenever she died, she'd be reborn in fire. The same thing happened to Princess Celestia, who was a mortal winged unicorn at the time, and made her immortal and gave her a connection to the sun that allowed her to raise/lower it much more easily. That, or she was just an ordinary pony, and managing to get somehow merged with a phoenix gave her her status and cutie mark.
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* '''Confirmed.'''
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Because let's face it, "Shining Sparkle" would likely have gotten him [[UnfortunateName laughed out of Magic Kindergarden]]. Better to go with a name [[AwesomeMcCoolname that sounds less embarrassing]].
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Because let's face it, "Shining Sparkle" would likely have gotten him [[UnfortunateName laughed out of Magic Kindergarden]].Kindergarten. Better to go with a name [[AwesomeMcCoolname that sounds less embarrassing]].
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** She said outright that she didn't know what she was doing. This troper is under the impression that the power of the Elements can only be successfully wielded by six individuals with a strong connection to their traits - even a god can't harness their power alone.
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** She said outright that she didn't know what she was doing. This troper is under the impression that the power of the Elements can only be successfully wielded by six individuals with a strong connection to their traits - -- even a god can't harness their power alone.
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* Similar idea? I think the clue is in her name: Twilight is the phase in between day and night. Twilight Sparkle is intended to serve as a bridge between day and night - between Celestia and Luna.
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* Similar idea? I think the clue is in her name: Twilight is the phase in between day and night. Twilight Sparkle is intended to serve as a bridge between day and night - -- between Celestia and Luna.
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* That would leave us with three winged unicorns - one in charge of the day, one in charge of the night, and Twilight [[MeaningfulName in charge of the time between.]]
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* That would leave us with three winged unicorns - -- one in charge of the day, one in charge of the night, and Twilight [[MeaningfulName in charge of the time between.]]
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Through careful application of her own skilled magic, which lets her manipulate the earth and heavens, she has created a rather dystopian monarchy. Under Celestia's rule, a caste system has formed; a matriarchal hierarchy has been put into place, where the magical unicorns outrank the flying pegasi, and everybody is above the average, non-magical ponies. Celestia herself is above everything: [[GodEmperor A goddess incarnate, she appears as a winged unicorn]], a completely unique creature beyond the powers of nearly everything around her, save for the Elements of Harmony, a strange magic beyond her control. In this story, Celestia has groomed Twilight, a talented young bookworm, as her "student," and discreetly tasked her with analysis of the power of friendship magic, something Celestia has never controlled. At the end of every episode, a loyal, naive Twilight writes to Celestia with her findings on the magic of friendship. (It should be noted that this troper is not a follower of the older series; if this is a restatement of some other canon description of the caste system and power-hungry princess, please leave a comment.)
* The escape of Nightmare Moon was just an elaborate ploy - she either never existed to begin with, or if Celestia was benign back then and the story is actually true, is still imprisoned on the Moon. Celestia wanted to exploit the Elements of Harmony, but genuine friendship was required to power them up from their inert state, something which she either never understood or has forsaken long ago. So she faked the escape of Nightmare Moon, and put the ponies through a series of carefully planned obstacles to bring out their respective elements. When the ponies defeated the illusionary Nightmare Moon, she took the Elements with her for "safekeeping". She keeps putting up a good face for the cast because their friendship might be needed again should the Elements go inert, and so they aren't used against her before she figures out how to seize their power.
* The escape of Nightmare Moon was just an elaborate ploy - she either never existed to begin with, or if Celestia was benign back then and the story is actually true, is still imprisoned on the Moon. Celestia wanted to exploit the Elements of Harmony, but genuine friendship was required to power them up from their inert state, something which she either never understood or has forsaken long ago. So she faked the escape of Nightmare Moon, and put the ponies through a series of carefully planned obstacles to bring out their respective elements. When the ponies defeated the illusionary Nightmare Moon, she took the Elements with her for "safekeeping". She keeps putting up a good face for the cast because their friendship might be needed again should the Elements go inert, and so they aren't used against her before she figures out how to seize their power.
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Through careful application of her own skilled magic, which lets her manipulate the earth and heavens, she has created a rather dystopian monarchy. Under Celestia's rule, a caste system has formed; a matriarchal hierarchy has been put into place, where the magical unicorns outrank the flying pegasi, and everybody is above the average, non-magical ponies. Celestia herself is above everything: [[GodEmperor A goddess incarnate, she appears as a winged unicorn]], a completely unique creature beyond the powers of nearly everything around her, save for the Elements of Harmony, a strange magic beyond her control. In this story, Celestia has groomed Twilight, a talented young bookworm, as her "student," "student", and discreetly tasked her with analysis of the power of friendship magic, something Celestia has never controlled. At the end of every episode, a loyal, naive Twilight writes to Celestia with her findings on the magic of friendship. (It should be noted that this troper is not a follower of the older series; if this is a restatement of some other canon description of the caste system and power-hungry princess, please leave a comment.)
* The escape of Nightmare Moon was just an elaborate ploy- -- she either never existed to begin with, or if Celestia was benign back then and the story is actually true, is still imprisoned on the Moon. Celestia wanted to exploit the Elements of Harmony, but genuine friendship was required to power them up from their inert state, something which she either never understood or has forsaken long ago. So she faked the escape of Nightmare Moon, and put the ponies through a series of carefully planned obstacles to bring out their respective elements. When the ponies defeated the illusionary Nightmare Moon, she took the Elements with her for "safekeeping". She keeps putting up a good face for the cast because their friendship might be needed again should the Elements go inert, and so they aren't used against her before she figures out how to seize their power.
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* Perhaps Luna is so young because she did the same before she was sealed in the moon, and shortly after Celestia takes Twilight's body, she would be sealed in the sun. The seal wasn't actually a punishment, but rather a cosmic arrangement - right after the Princess takes a body, they are heroically sealed away by their sibling for a long time so all the subjects will forget. Nightmare Moon was just a temporary form of PowerIncontinence after being sealed for so long.
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* Perhaps Luna is so young because she did the same before she was sealed in the moon, and shortly after Celestia takes Twilight's body, she would be sealed in the sun. The seal wasn't actually a punishment, but rather a cosmic arrangement - -- right after the Princess takes a body, they are heroically sealed away by their sibling for a long time so all the subjects will forget. Nightmare Moon was just a temporary form of PowerIncontinence after being sealed for so long.
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The day before the Summer Sun Celebration seems a bit late to be implementing a plan to save the world. When Dash's first Sonic Rainboom indicated a connection between the six friends, Celestia detected the connection (as she is wise in the ways of the Magic of Frienship), and knew that this was her best bet for stopping Nightmare Moon and rescuing her sister. That was her main reason for taking on Twilight as her primary student (in addition to her general magical aptitude), and she also started monitoring the others at this point - she may have been responsible for Pinky moving to Ponyville, for example. She made sure that those five would be the people Twilight met on her first tour of Ponyville, and the rest proceeded as planned.
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The day before the Summer Sun Celebration seems a bit late to be implementing a plan to save the world. When Dash's first Sonic Rainboom indicated a connection between the six friends, Celestia detected the connection (as she is wise in the ways of the Magic of Frienship), and knew that this was her best bet for stopping Nightmare Moon and rescuing her sister. That was her main reason for taking on Twilight as her primary student (in addition to her general magical aptitude), and she also started monitoring the others at this point - -- she may have been responsible for Pinky moving to Ponyville, for example. She made sure that those five would be the people Twilight met on her first tour of Ponyville, and the rest proceeded as planned.
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Let's assume that Twilight wrote some letters between "The Elements of Harmony" and "The Ticket Master," and so Celestia knows the personalities of the Mane cast pretty well. Let's look at how she would expect them to respond:
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Let's assume that Twilight wrote some letters between "The Elements of Harmony" and "The Ticket Master," Master", and so Celestia knows the personalities of the Mane cast pretty well. Let's look at how she would expect them to respond:
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** Actually, if anything, she's more like King Jigme Wanchuk of Bhutan - more concerned about [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_National_Happiness Gross National Happiness]] and stuff along those lines. Like Jigme, she's an autocratic ruler (well, like him until he changed Bhutan into a parliamentary democracy) but uses it for good than anything else. Though Canterlot is supposed to obviously mimic the British royalty and aristocracy, I suspect it's daily dealings are more similar to that of Dechencholing Palace than Buckingham's.
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** Actually, if anything, she's more like King Jigme Wanchuk of Bhutan - -- more concerned about [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_National_Happiness Gross National Happiness]] and stuff along those lines. Like Jigme, she's an autocratic ruler (well, like him until he changed Bhutan into a parliamentary democracy) but uses it for good than anything else. Though Canterlot is supposed to obviously mimic the British royalty and aristocracy, I suspect it's daily dealings are more similar to that of Dechencholing Palace than Buckingham's.
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She asked the Mane 6 to reform Discord as an excuse to get Twilight to keep the Elements nearby; if they failed, "for safety," if they succeeded, "just in case." She then sent Twilight Starswirl's spell, knowing she would read it near the Elements, cause the cutie mark swap, force Twilight to learn the magic of friendship, and use the conveniently nearby Elements to transform her into an alicorn. Princess Celestia planned the whole thing for Twilight's ascension.
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She asked the Mane 6 to reform Discord as an excuse to get Twilight to keep the Elements nearby; if they failed, "for safety," safety", if they succeeded, "just in case." She then sent Twilight Starswirl's spell, knowing she would read it near the Elements, cause the cutie mark swap, force Twilight to learn the magic of friendship, and use the conveniently nearby Elements to transform her into an alicorn. Princess Celestia planned the whole thing for Twilight's ascension.
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The multitude of beings that inhabit Equestria might either be humans who had stumbled in or well-crafted familiars - the more developed and nuanced the character the more likely the former is the case. Despite this, Celestia herself had somehow realized what she was and tries to protect and guide those that come under her care. In addition, the Mane Six accomplish all the on-screen adventures largely on their own because Celestia herself is doing the CosmicHorror -esque heavy lifting at the "edges of Equestria" that arise more or less at the same time. Heck, Twilight and company might even [[MoralityChain be what's keeping Celestia]] from subconsciously turning Equestria into the typical Witch Labyrinth AcidTripDimension.
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The multitude of beings that inhabit Equestria might either be humans who had stumbled in or well-crafted familiars - -- the more developed and nuanced the character the more likely the former is the case. Despite this, Celestia herself had somehow realized what she was and tries to protect and guide those that come under her care. In addition, the Mane Six accomplish all the on-screen adventures largely on their own because Celestia herself is doing the CosmicHorror -esque heavy lifting at the "edges of Equestria" that arise more or less at the same time. Heck, Twilight and company might even [[MoralityChain be what's keeping Celestia]] from subconsciously turning Equestria into the typical Witch Labyrinth AcidTripDimension.
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[[WMG: Celestia is Amalthea from The Last Unicorn.]]
This is simply so far in the future that the humanity has died out. Either the Ponies evolved on their own, or the rest of the Unicorns eventually became them (with Amalthea somehow only becoming more powerful because of her experiences in love and loss.) Going along with this, Starswirl the Bearded could've been Shmendrick, who managed to turn himself into a unicorn eventually (who knows, maybe he's still around during the show's time). Sometime, one of the Mane Six will ask Celestia why she never dates. She, uncharacteristically grave, will gaze wistfully into the distance and remark "I loved once, I shall never love again." They might even hear her whisper the name "Lir," while a solitary tear rolls down her cheek. To compound the reference, at one point, Angel Bunny will write a novel.
-->"She will remember your heart when Men are fairy tales and books written by Rabbits."
This is simply so far in the future that the humanity has died out. Either the Ponies evolved on their own, or the rest of the Unicorns eventually became them (with Amalthea somehow only becoming more powerful because of her experiences in love and loss.) Going along with this, Starswirl the Bearded could've been Shmendrick, who managed to turn himself into a unicorn eventually (who knows, maybe he's still around during the show's time). Sometime, one of the Mane Six will ask Celestia why she never dates. She, uncharacteristically grave, will gaze wistfully into the distance and remark "I loved once, I shall never love again." They might even hear her whisper the name "Lir," while a solitary tear rolls down her cheek. To compound the reference, at one point, Angel Bunny will write a novel.
-->"She will remember your heart when Men are fairy tales and books written by Rabbits."
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[[WMG: Celestia is Amalthea from The ''The Last Unicorn.Unicorn''.]]
This is simply so far in the future that the humanity has died out. Either thePonies ponies evolved on their own, or the rest of the Unicorns unicorns eventually became them (with Amalthea somehow only becoming more powerful because of her experiences in love and loss.) loss). Going along with this, Starswirl the Bearded could've been Shmendrick, who managed to turn himself into a unicorn eventually (who knows, maybe he's still around during the show's time). Sometime, one of the Mane Six will ask Celestia why she never dates. She, uncharacteristically grave, will gaze wistfully into the distance and remark "I loved once, I shall never love again." They might even hear her whisper the name "Lir," "Lir", while a solitary tear rolls down her cheek. To compound the reference, at one point, Angel Bunny will write a novel.
-->"She ->"She will remember your heart when Men men are fairy tales and books written by Rabbits.rabbits."
This is simply so far in the future that the humanity has died out. Either the
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'Nightmare Moon' is actually a sort of magical symbiote that manipulated Princess Luna's jealousy and resentment to control her. She was the blue mist that was impeding the groups journey through the Everfree Forest, and she feeds off of negative emotion, which is why she wanted it to be eternally night - so she could feed off of Equestria's fear. She's not as powerful on her own, though, which is why she had to take control of other things, or create illusions, instead of just outright stopping the ponies. As for why she didn't use princess Luna's magic, She could still control Luna when they were first released and the resentment for locking her away was still strong, but after 1,000 years alone Princess Luna missed her sister too much for Nightmare Moon to control her, until the ponies got close and Luna was afraid of being trapped again.
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'Nightmare Moon' is actually a sort of magical symbiote that manipulated Princess Luna's jealousy and resentment to control her. She was the blue mist that was impeding the groups journey through the Everfree Forest, and she feeds off of negative emotion, which is why she wanted it to be eternally night - -- so she could feed off of Equestria's fear. She's not as powerful on her own, though, which is why she had to take control of other things, or create illusions, instead of just outright stopping the ponies. As for why she didn't use princess Luna's magic, She could still control Luna when they were first released and the resentment for locking her away was still strong, but after 1,000 years alone Princess Luna missed her sister too much for Nightmare Moon to control her, until the ponies got close and Luna was afraid of being trapped again.
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Because nothing has changed. In a climactic MotiveRant, the lack of her being mentioned at all through Season 1 will become a plot point, showing how the ponies still don't appreciate her even when appropriate (such as during the meteor shower), as well as the number of events that Celestia attended but she wasn't able to (since she has to sleep during the day). Adding onto that will be an accusation leveled at Celestia, a completely accurate one: that she only ever talked about things and never actually ''did'' anything to resolve their problems. This will lead into the lesson that attempts at reasoning and offers of friendship are not always enough - you have to actively solve problems rather than trying to convince people to ignore them.
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Because nothing has changed. In a climactic MotiveRant, the lack of her being mentioned at all through Season 1 will become a plot point, showing how the ponies still don't appreciate her even when appropriate (such as during the meteor shower), as well as the number of events that Celestia attended but she wasn't able to (since she has to sleep during the day). Adding onto that will be an accusation leveled at Celestia, a completely accurate one: that she only ever talked about things and never actually ''did'' anything to resolve their problems. This will lead into the lesson that attempts at reasoning and offers of friendship are not always enough - -- you have to actively solve problems rather than trying to convince people to ignore them.
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Think about it - first, Luna and Celestia take notice of how Discord is making Equestria a terrible place to live. They find the Elements of Harmony to stop him. Discord recognizes that he's unable to overcome the elements when they're being used against him.
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Think about it - -- first, Luna and Celestia take notice of how Discord is making Equestria a terrible place to live. They find the Elements of Harmony to stop him. Discord recognizes that he's unable to overcome the elements when they're being used against him.
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The first time we see her (in episode 2) is during the day. Her powers may have been diminished. We will see her in Season 2 during Nightmare '''Night''', in all her nocturnal splendor - hence the wavy mane.
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The first time we see her (in episode 2) is during the day. Her powers may have been diminished. We will see her in Season 2 during Nightmare '''Night''', in all her nocturnal splendor - -- hence the wavy mane.
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* This actually makes a good deal of sense. Celestia's previous experience was with the sun, which goes around the Earth steadily (or vice versa, whichever) - when the Sun is up, it's day, when the Sun is down, it's night. She may have simply found it easier to keep the same cycle going, in the inverse, with the Moon. Also, it would mean that everypony would see her sister every night, safely.
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* This actually makes a good deal of sense. Celestia's previous experience was with the sun, which goes around the Earth steadily (or vice versa, whichever) - -- when the Sun is up, it's day, when the Sun is down, it's night. She may have simply found it easier to keep the same cycle going, in the inverse, with the Moon. Also, it would mean that everypony would see her sister every night, safely.
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[[WMG: Princess Luna was added to [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E25ACanterlotWeddingPart1 "A Canterlot Wedding - Part 1"]] and [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E26ACanterlotWeddingPart2 "A Canterlot Wedding - Part 2"]] at the last minute.]]
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[[WMG: Princess Luna was added to [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E25ACanterlotWeddingPart1 "A Canterlot Wedding - Wedding, Part 1"]] and [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E26ACanterlotWeddingPart2 "A Canterlot Wedding - Wedding, Part 2"]] at the last minute.]]
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* Celestia, while still having incredible power, finds it difficult to find the motivation to do [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething anything]] because she lacks emotion - which explains why the main cast has to do everything themselves. All Celestia really does is keep the balance of sun and moon, and also bar other Heartless from entering Equestria, because it's all she can motivate herself to do most days. She is, in fact, nearly emotionless but like most of the Organization, pretends to have true feeling because it's less unsettling and if she does it enough, she's convinced she'll believe it herself.
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* Celestia, while still having incredible power, finds it difficult to find the motivation to do [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething anything]] because she lacks emotion - -- which explains why the main cast has to do everything themselves. All Celestia really does is keep the balance of sun and moon, and also bar other Heartless from entering Equestria, because it's all she can motivate herself to do most days. She is, in fact, nearly emotionless but like most of the Organization, pretends to have true feeling because it's less unsettling and if she does it enough, she's convinced she'll believe it herself.
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Instituting a celebration of the sun the same year that Celestia had to banish her beloved sister does seem rather tactless, doesn't it? There is, however, a good reason. Celestia knows when her spell will end (hence the "prophecy," which is really just notes on how the spell worked) and wants to have a reminder in place. So she started an annual celebration, putting on a show for everypony, and making sure that part of the tradition is keeping track of how many there have been. The whole festival came into being because Celestia couldn't find a countdown calendar that had a picture she wanted to look at for a thousand years.
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Instituting a celebration of the sun the same year that Celestia had to banish her beloved sister does seem rather tactless, doesn't it? There is, however, a good reason. Celestia knows when her spell will end (hence the "prophecy," "prophecy", which is really just notes on how the spell worked) and wants to have a reminder in place. So she started an annual celebration, putting on a show for everypony, and making sure that part of the tradition is keeping track of how many there have been. The whole festival came into being because Celestia couldn't find a countdown calendar that had a picture she wanted to look at for a thousand years.
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Very much like how many languages have polite, formal variations of speech, only taken to the hammiest extreme. It is not, however, used by ponies of the same rank or family - hence why Luna apologies to Celestia in plain modern English (which to her would have been colloquial slang). Using YeOldeButcheredeEnglishe with a normal speaking voice would still have been considered polite, but lacked the noble dignity of the VOICE. Nightmare Moon, meanwhile, was boisterous enough but didn't have the pseudo-Shakespearean quirks, which would have made her seem haughty yet uncouth in her original time.
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Very much like how many languages have polite, formal variations of speech, only taken to the hammiest extreme. It is not, however, used by ponies of the same rank or family - -- hence why Luna apologies to Celestia in plain modern English (which to her would have been colloquial slang). Using YeOldeButcheredeEnglishe with a normal speaking voice would still have been considered polite, but lacked the noble dignity of the VOICE. Nightmare Moon, meanwhile, was boisterous enough but didn't have the pseudo-Shakespearean quirks, which would have made her seem haughty yet uncouth in her original time.
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"Hearth's Warming Eve" shows the ponies of the newly founded Equestria putting up a flag depicting Celestia and Luna, even though the events described took place long before their reign. The Princesses - being a combination of unicorns, pegasi and earth ponies - were originally merely a symbol for the unity of the three pony races. As time went on, ponies formed a mythology around them and began to worship their image as deities. Eventually, the Princesses became PhysicalGods due to the principle of ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve, saved Equestria from Discord and became its rulers.
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"Hearth's Warming Eve" shows the ponies of the newly founded Equestria putting up a flag depicting Celestia and Luna, even though the events described took place long before their reign. The Princesses - -- being a combination of unicorns, pegasi and earth ponies - -- were originally merely a symbol for the unity of the three pony races. As time went on, ponies formed a mythology around them and began to worship their image as deities. Eventually, the Princesses became PhysicalGods due to the principle of ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve, saved Equestria from Discord and became its rulers.
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In "Magical Mystery Cure," we see that Star Swirl's unfinished spell scrambled the cutie marks of the mane 6 minus twilight. The Spell seemed to specifically work with the elements of harmony, indicating it was meant for it's bearers. Who were the original bearers of the Elements of Harmony? Celestia and Luna. Since the spell was broken and unfinished, it suggests Star Swirl may have used it once before. Meaning he may have switched around Celestia and Luna's marks, and had no way to undo it. What does this mean? It means that, originally, Celestia was the Pony of the Night and Luna the Pony of the Day. Star Swirl cast his spell, and they switched without being aware of the switch. Think of the implications to the characters, having to suddenly deal with destiny change. We can assume Celestia handled it better, but it would explain so much about Luna. Why did she suddenly resent ponies for fearing and sleeping through the night? Because, before her destiny was changed, she was the princess of the day, and interacted with all the ponies regularly. When she had to go to night, Though she was unaware of the change, deep down in her soul, she must have felt cut off and alienated from all her day time friends. She couldn't put her frustration into words exactly, so she became resentful of being feared at night. And this led her to being susceptible to becoming Nightmare Moon. This also explains some things about Celestia's interest in Twilight. Twilight, defeating Nightmare Moon, in a small way helped to undo the damage star swirl had done. (we have to assume that Celestia did eventually piece together what had happened.) Because of this, that's what gave Celestia hope that Twilight could tackle the defective Spell itself. Being able to undo and repair a millenium's worth of grief? Yeah, that would be enough to earn Twilight her princesshood.
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In "Magical Mystery Cure," Cure", we see that Star Swirl's unfinished spell scrambled the cutie marks of the mane 6 minus twilight. The Spell seemed to specifically work with the elements of harmony, indicating it was meant for it's bearers. Who were the original bearers of the Elements of Harmony? Celestia and Luna. Since the spell was broken and unfinished, it suggests Star Swirl may have used it once before. Meaning he may have switched around Celestia and Luna's marks, and had no way to undo it. What does this mean? It means that, originally, Celestia was the Pony of the Night and Luna the Pony of the Day. Star Swirl cast his spell, and they switched without being aware of the switch. Think of the implications to the characters, having to suddenly deal with destiny change. We can assume Celestia handled it better, but it would explain so much about Luna. Why did she suddenly resent ponies for fearing and sleeping through the night? Because, before her destiny was changed, she was the princess of the day, and interacted with all the ponies regularly. When she had to go to night, Though she was unaware of the change, deep down in her soul, she must have felt cut off and alienated from all her day time friends. She couldn't put her frustration into words exactly, so she became resentful of being feared at night. And this led her to being susceptible to becoming Nightmare Moon. This also explains some things about Celestia's interest in Twilight. Twilight, defeating Nightmare Moon, in a small way helped to undo the damage star swirl had done. (we have to assume that Celestia did eventually piece together what had happened.) Because of this, that's what gave Celestia hope that Twilight could tackle the defective Spell itself. Being able to undo and repair a millenium's worth of grief? Yeah, that would be enough to earn Twilight her princesshood.
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As shown in 'Hearth's Warming Eve', the original three pony tribes had what reasonably seemed to be mortal rulers, and presumably when the three tribes joined to form Equestria, they also had a mortal ruler (or democracy). At the end of the episode, a banner is planted that has two alicorns - very similar looking to Celestia and Luna - with the sun and moon forming a ying-yang symbol, like the one seen in the opener of the series pilot episode. This is somewhat problematic for the show, as it was established in the play narrative that these events occurred before Celestia and Luna were around. However, it could be taken as the ponies, wanting something to represent their new collective unity, used the sun and moon (which would be very important for them - despite the fact that these objects are controllable - as they provide warmth, food, and life to the populace) as symbols along with a pony for each entity with the combined traits of the three pony tribes.
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As shown in 'Hearth's Warming Eve', the original three pony tribes had what reasonably seemed to be mortal rulers, and presumably when the three tribes joined to form Equestria, they also had a mortal ruler (or democracy). At the end of the episode, a banner is planted that has two alicorns - -- very similar looking to Celestia and Luna - -- with the sun and moon forming a ying-yang symbol, like the one seen in the opener of the series pilot episode. This is somewhat problematic for the show, as it was established in the play narrative that these events occurred before Celestia and Luna were around. However, it could be taken as the ponies, wanting something to represent their new collective unity, used the sun and moon (which would be very important for them - -- despite the fact that these objects are controllable - -- as they provide warmth, food, and life to the populace) as symbols along with a pony for each entity with the combined traits of the three pony tribes.
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[[WMG: Cadence's faux pas in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E25ACanterlotWeddingPart1 "A Canterlot Wedding - Part 1"]] were mostly Twilight being an UnreliableNarrator.]]
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[[WMG: Cadence's faux pas in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E25ACanterlotWeddingPart1 "A Canterlot Wedding - Wedding, Part 1"]] were mostly Twilight being an UnreliableNarrator.]]
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Prior to King Sombre's takeover of the Crystal Empire, Cadence's ancestor - daughter of the Empire's true rulers - fled the Crystal Empire. Without the influence of the Crystal Heart she reverted to looking like an Earth Pony, albeit one with a very distinctive, multi-coloured mane.
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Prior to King Sombre's takeover of the Crystal Empire, Cadence's ancestor - -- daughter of the Empire's true rulers - -- fled the Crystal Empire. Without the influence of the Crystal Heart she reverted to looking like an Earth Pony, albeit one with a very distinctive, multi-coloured mane.
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Celestia recognised Cadence's crystal pony nature and perhaps recognised her as being descended from the Crystal Princess (possibly due to the Crystal Heart in her Cutiemark this is why when the Crystal Empire returned she sent Cadence and Shining Armor to the Empire and why Cadence was made the ruler of the Empire - she IS the Crystal Princess. As her Crystal Pony blood has been diluted she does not remain in her crystal form after the Crystal Heart is restored.
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Celestia recognised Cadence's crystal pony nature and perhaps recognised recognized her as being descended from the Crystal Princess (possibly due to the Crystal Heart in her Cutiemark this is why when the Crystal Empire returned she sent Cadence and Shining Armor to the Empire and why Cadence was made the ruler of the Empire - -- she IS ''is'' the Crystal Princess. As her Crystal Pony blood has been diluted she does not remain in her crystal form after the Crystal Heart is restored.
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Note that she is addressed interchangeably as "Your Highness," the vocative form of princess, and "Your Majesty," the vocative form of queen. Note also that there are constant references to the "royal" palace, the "royal" gardens, etc., not the "princely" palace or "princely" gardens. Clearly, like most monarchs, Celestia holds multiple titles. For comparison, consider that Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain also holds among her many titles "Princess of Wales," although, as per ancient tradition, she permits her son and heir Charles to use the title Prince of Wales; she is also Empress of India, incidentally, but she customarily is referred to as the Queen. Celestia is both Queen and Princess, but customarily uses "Princess" so as not to appear too distant or removed from her subjects, an issue which obviously troubles her enough as it is. Luna, as the foalless Celestia's legal heir, is permitted to use the title of princess in much the same way as Charles is allowed to use the title of Prince of Wales.
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Note that she is addressed interchangeably as "Your Highness," Highness", the vocative form of princess, and "Your Majesty," Majesty", the vocative form of queen. Note also that there are constant references to the "royal" palace, the "royal" gardens, etc., not the "princely" palace or "princely" gardens. Clearly, like most monarchs, Celestia holds multiple titles. For comparison, consider that Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain also holds among her many titles "Princess of Wales," Wales", although, as per ancient tradition, she permits her son and heir Charles to use the title Prince of Wales; she is also Empress of India, incidentally, but she customarily is referred to as the Queen. Celestia is both Queen and Princess, but customarily uses "Princess" so as not to appear too distant or removed from her subjects, an issue which obviously troubles her enough as it is. Luna, as the foalless Celestia's legal heir, is permitted to use the title of princess in much the same way as Charles is allowed to use the title of Prince of Wales.
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And he acts as suck-up as he does to compensate for his lack of wings, as being a Unicorn Pegasus is the defining trait of royalty - lacking half of that defining trait, he compensates (probably subconsciously and due to the inevitable low self-esteem) by acting as snobby and "royal" as possible.
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And he acts as suck-up as he does to compensate for his lack of wings, as being a Unicorn Pegasus is the defining trait of royalty - -- lacking half of that defining trait, he compensates (probably subconsciously and due to the inevitable low self-esteem) by acting as snobby and "royal" as possible.
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* Also, the alicorns' color schemes seem to match the planet/time of day over which they have dominion: Celestia's body is white and her hair is... partially the color of a blue sky; Luna's body is dark blue (and may perhaps darken further) and her hair is starry; and Cadance's body is pink and her hair is reminiscent of a sunrise or sunset - Venus being the brightest at those times, and also known as the Morning or Evening Star.
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* Also, the alicorns' color schemes seem to match the planet/time of day over which they have dominion: Celestia's body is white and her hair is... partially the color of a blue sky; Luna's body is dark blue (and may perhaps darken further) and her hair is starry; and Cadance's body is pink and her hair is reminiscent of a sunrise or sunset - -- Venus being the brightest at those times, and also known as the Morning or Evening Star.
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* Twilight - got hers through mastery of the Element of Magic when she created a new spell that combined the Elements.
* Cadance - ascended when she saved a town from a villain with a magic necklace. Based on her personality, her trigger was probably a great act of Kindness. (Plus she was a pegasus like Fluttershy.)
* Cadance - ascended when she saved a town from a villain with a magic necklace. Based on her personality, her trigger was probably a great act of Kindness. (Plus she was a pegasus like Fluttershy.)
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* Twilight - -- got hers through mastery of the Element of Magic when she created a new spell that combined the Elements.
* Cadance- -- ascended when she saved a town from a villain with a magic necklace. Based on her personality, her trigger was probably a great act of Kindness. (Plus she was a pegasus like Fluttershy.)
* Cadance
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* Celestia - An act of Generosity; besides the fact that it was one of the elements she used against Discord, her crown and necklace both have purple gemstones on them. (Okay, it's kind of a stretch, but that always stood out to me and it does fit her.)
* Luna - Wielded the elements of Loyalty, Honesty and Laughter, not sure which one would fit her best. Leaning towards Honesty. Loyalty would be tragically ironic since she ended up fighting her sister.
* Luna - Wielded the elements of Loyalty, Honesty and Laughter, not sure which one would fit her best. Leaning towards Honesty. Loyalty would be tragically ironic since she ended up fighting her sister.
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* Celestia - -- An act of Generosity; besides the fact that it was one of the elements she used against Discord, her crown and necklace both have purple gemstones on them. (Okay, it's kind of a stretch, but that always stood out to me and it does fit her.)
* Luna- -- Wielded the elements of Loyalty, Honesty and Laughter, not sure which one would fit her best. Leaning towards Honesty. Loyalty would be tragically ironic since she ended up fighting her sister.
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* Alicorn magic is more powerful than any other magic - the implication in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom]] is that the combined magic of four alicorn princesses is roughly equal to the combined magic (and agility and strength) of every unicorn, pegasus, and earth pony in all of Equestria (plus Discord to boot).
* Although the princesses are in positions of authority, their roles don't seem to be defined in the same way as those of royalty. For example, instead of becoming, say, the princess of Ponyville, Twilight became the "princess of friendship," a title that sounds ludicrous until you consider it to be roughly equivalent to "goddess of friendship," and Mayor Mare still appears to be the primary governmental authority figure for Ponyville even after Twilight's ascension.
* Although the princesses are in positions of authority, their roles don't seem to be defined in the same way as those of royalty. For example, instead of becoming, say, the princess of Ponyville, Twilight became the "princess of friendship," a title that sounds ludicrous until you consider it to be roughly equivalent to "goddess of friendship," and Mayor Mare still appears to be the primary governmental authority figure for Ponyville even after Twilight's ascension.
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* Alicorn magic is more powerful than any other magic - -- the implication in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom]] Kingdom]]" is that the combined magic of four alicorn princesses is roughly equal to the combined magic (and agility and strength) of every unicorn, pegasus, and earth pony in all of Equestria (plus Discord to boot).
* Although the princesses are in positions of authority, their roles don't seem to be defined in the same way as those of royalty. For example, instead of becoming, say, the princess of Ponyville, Twilight became the "princess offriendship," friendship", a title that sounds ludicrous until you consider it to be roughly equivalent to "goddess of friendship," friendship", and Mayor Mare still appears to be the primary governmental authority figure for Ponyville even after Twilight's ascension.
* Although the princesses are in positions of authority, their roles don't seem to be defined in the same way as those of royalty. For example, instead of becoming, say, the princess of Ponyville, Twilight became the "princess of
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Of course, we have the usual shenanigans with cultural clashes (bonus points if the Changelings' culture is given an explanation, something from the Far East like Japan and Korea would be really interesting), with a written message/threat by Chrysalis to the Mane Six that if a single hair on Pupa's pig tailed mane is hurt, she'll personally bite their heads off one by one. However, some of the Mane Six decide they want to see if they can pump any secret information about Changeling government and military secrets out of the filly (behind Celestia's back) by sending in the CMC to befriend her. They eventually get nothing and are surprised (despite Pupa's young age and already innocent appearance and demeanor) that she knows little to nothing of her mother's dealings and plans - she doesn't even know about the Canterlot Invasion, which can lead to a classic Fawlty Towers, "Don't mention the war/invasion!" set of jokes.
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Of course, we have the usual shenanigans with cultural clashes (bonus points if the Changelings' culture is given an explanation, something from the Far East like Japan and Korea would be really interesting), with a written message/threat by Chrysalis to the Mane Six that if a single hair on Pupa's pig tailed mane is hurt, she'll personally bite their heads off one by one. However, some of the Mane Six decide they want to see if they can pump any secret information about Changeling government and military secrets out of the filly (behind Celestia's back) by sending in the CMC to befriend her. They eventually get nothing and are surprised (despite Pupa's young age and already innocent appearance and demeanor) that she knows little to nothing of her mother's dealings and plans - -- she doesn't even know about the Canterlot Invasion, which can lead to a classic Fawlty Towers, "Don't mention the war/invasion!" set of jokes.
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*** Also think about the fact that spike is going to live a very very long time, Celetstia's pet is a phoenix, something that lives forever or a very long time, the egg test was to see who was next in line for either the throne or ascension into becoming an Alicorn.
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... yes we can?
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** Or maybe ''stars?'' --OhShit, what does that mean for the stars that freed NMM?
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** Or maybe ''stars?'' --OhShit, -- oh shit, what does that mean for the stars that freed NMM?
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* Can we just call this one confirmed?
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* Can we just call this one confirmed?
'''Confirmed.'''
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[[WMG: Princess Celestia and [[MyLittlePony Megan]] are AlternateUniverse counterparts to each other.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia is [[VideoGame/{{Touhou}} Yukari Yumako]] ]]
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The writers know their fan-base and the popular memes they've inspired(I'm looking at you Muffin Mare), and Tyrant Celestia is rather popular one. Nightmare Celestia/Nightmare Sun/[[AwesomeMcCoolname Mourning Star]] would act as a LawfulEvil tyrant who'd [[DisproportionateRetribution banish anypony who doesn't follow the rules]], and will [[CainAndAbel despise Luna.]] She might even try to cause an EndlessDaytime if she suffers a VillainousBreakdown. As for the Molestia meme, they can't show it but that doesn't mean [[{{homoerotic subtext}} they can'timply it.]]
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The writers know their fan-base and the popular memes they've inspired(I'm inspired (I'm looking at you Muffin Mare), and Tyrant Celestia is rather popular one. Nightmare Celestia/Nightmare Sun/[[AwesomeMcCoolname Mourning Star]] would act as a LawfulEvil tyrant who'd [[DisproportionateRetribution banish anypony who doesn't follow the rules]], and will [[CainAndAbel despise Luna.]] She might even try to cause an EndlessDaytime if she suffers a VillainousBreakdown. As for the Molestia meme, they can't show it but that doesn't mean [[{{homoerotic subtext}} [[HomoeroticSubtext they can'timply can't imply it.]]
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[[WMG: Princess Celestia's [[GambitRoulette Gambit Roulettes]] are not actually luck-based.]]
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* Backed up by [[WordofGod Word of Faust]]. [[http://i.imgur.com/lEDzIVk.jpg Princess Celestia was always intended to have some ability to sense future events]], in addition to a chessmaster-type intellect.
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* Backed up by [[WordofGod [[WordOfGod Word of Faust]]. [[http://i.imgur.com/lEDzIVk.jpg Princess Celestia was always intended to have some ability to sense future events]], in addition to a chessmaster-type intellect.
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** Expanding on this, who have we met who has natural power with magic, is feeling jealous and resentful towards a member of the main cast, would leap at the chance for more power, and is something of an [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ensemble Darkpony]]? I'm guessing sometime in the future we'll see the rise of The Great and Powerful Nightmare Trixie.
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** Expanding on this, who have we met who has natural power with magic, is feeling jealous and resentful towards a member of the main cast, would leap at the chance for more power, and is something of an [[EnsembleDarkhorse [[EnsembleDarkHorse Ensemble Darkpony]]? I'm guessing sometime in the future we'll see the rise of The Great and Powerful Nightmare Trixie.
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*** It is possible that Celestia's relationship with Luna being weakned allowed Discord to cast a single spell while sealed, as the elements of Harmony were connected with Luna and Celestia back then, and Discord did claim to have been awake while sealed.
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*** It is possible that Celestia's relationship with Luna being weakned weakened allowed Discord to cast a single spell while sealed, as the elements of Harmony were connected with Luna and Celestia back then, and Discord did claim to have been awake while sealed.
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** Well, it isn't like [[spoiler:she's a [[MarvelUniverse Skrull]]]] is an obvious guess.
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** Well, it isn't like [[spoiler:she's a [[MarvelUniverse [[Franchise/MarvelUniverse Skrull]]]] is an obvious guess.
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Shining Armor has the tendency of being [[THeWorfEffect worfed]] by major villains, such as getting MindRape by Queen Chrysalis, his horn encrusted by Sombra, and his magic drained by Tirek,[[FourIsDeath his fourth encounter with next antagonist could spell his doom.]]
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Shining Armor has the tendency of being [[THeWorfEffect [[TheWorfEffect worfed]] by major villains, such as getting MindRape by Queen Chrysalis, his horn encrusted by Sombra, and his magic drained by Tirek,[[FourIsDeath his fourth encounter with next antagonist could spell his doom.]]
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[[WMG: Most [[WingedUnicorn winged unicorns]] aren't any more powerful than other unicorns, pegasi, or earth ponies.]]
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In Ancient Greek legend, Cronus overthrew his father Ouranos. In MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic, it was ''Hyperion'' who overthrew his father. Celestia is the goddess of the sun or dawn, and Luna is the goddess of the moon. In Myth/GreekMythology, the sun, dawn and moon gods are ''all'' children of this little-known Titan. Celestia is the ponyfied equivalent of Eos, Goddess of the Dawn and Luna is the ponified equivalent of Selene, Goddess of the Moon. Princess Candance is one of the Heliades, and daughter to the ponyfied equivalent of Helios, God of the Sun. Discord is the son of Eris, who's the embodiment of strife and ''discord''(not a genderbent Eris, since we'd be even more screwed if that was the case). Instead, he's the male equivalent to Dysnomia, Goddess of Lawlessness.
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In Ancient Greek legend, Cronus overthrew his father Ouranos. In MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic, ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', it was ''Hyperion'' who overthrew his father. Celestia is the goddess of the sun or dawn, and Luna is the goddess of the moon. In Myth/GreekMythology, the sun, dawn and moon gods are ''all'' children of this little-known Titan. Celestia is the ponyfied equivalent of Eos, Goddess of the Dawn and Luna is the ponified equivalent of Selene, Goddess of the Moon. Princess Candance is one of the Heliades, and daughter to the ponyfied equivalent of Helios, God of the Sun. Discord is the son of Eris, who's the embodiment of strife and ''discord''(not a genderbent Eris, since we'd be even more screwed if that was the case). Instead, he's the male equivalent to Dysnomia, Goddess of Lawlessness.
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The writers know their fan-base and the popular memes they've inspired(I'm looking at you Muffin Mare), and Tyrant Celestia is rather popular one. Nightmare Celestia/Nightmare Sun/[[AwesomeMcCoolname Mourning Star]] would act as a LawfulEvil tyrant who'd [[DisproportionateRetribution banish anypony who doesn't follow the rules]], and will [[CainAndAbel despise Luna.]] She might even try to cause an EndlessDaytime if she suffers a VillainousBreakdown. As for the Molestia meme, they can't show it but that doesn't mean [[LesYay they can't]] [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar imply it.]]
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The writers know their fan-base and the popular memes they've inspired(I'm looking at you Muffin Mare), and Tyrant Celestia is rather popular one. Nightmare Celestia/Nightmare Sun/[[AwesomeMcCoolname Mourning Star]] would act as a LawfulEvil tyrant who'd [[DisproportionateRetribution banish anypony who doesn't follow the rules]], and will [[CainAndAbel despise Luna.]] She might even try to cause an EndlessDaytime if she suffers a VillainousBreakdown. As for the Molestia meme, they can't show it but that doesn't mean [[LesYay [[{{homoerotic subtext}} they can't]] [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar imply can'timply it.]]
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* So the Creator Ponies are this universe's incarnation of the [[CainAndAbel two eternally fighting brother entities]]. [[FridgeLogic Wait...]] So Mom and Dad [[BelligerentSexualTension fight a lot]] before [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar going to their room to "rest" for a few hours]]?
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* So the Creator Ponies are this universe's incarnation of the [[CainAndAbel two eternally fighting brother entities]]. [[FridgeLogic Wait...]] So Mom and Dad [[BelligerentSexualTension fight a lot]] before [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar going to their room to "rest" for a few hours]]?hours?
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[[WMG: Flurry Heart’s cutie mark will have yellow in it.]]
All unicorns and alicorns have ColorCodedWizardry, and what color their magic is ''somewhere'' on their bodies. (Example: Twilight’s is hot pink like the streak in her mane and cutie mark.) Flurry’s is yellow, yet she doesn’t have a trace of yellow on her...at least not when we see her. When she gets her cutie mark, it will be yellow. She would also be taking after her mother, as Cadence’s color is cyan, and the only cyan she has is on her cutie mark.
All unicorns and alicorns have ColorCodedWizardry, and what color their magic is ''somewhere'' on their bodies. (Example: Twilight’s is hot pink like the streak in her mane and cutie mark.) Flurry’s is yellow, yet she doesn’t have a trace of yellow on her...at least not when we see her. When she gets her cutie mark, it will be yellow. She would also be taking after her mother, as Cadence’s color is cyan, and the only cyan she has is on her cutie mark.
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* Did she really do this just to defeat Nightmare? Or is there some even greater threat yet to come? That said, I like this theory. It opens up some very interesting possibilities for Crossover Fanfiction. I for one like to consider a combination of this guess with my guessing above that Equestria is a plane of [[MagicTheGathering Dominia]].
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* Did she really do this just to defeat Nightmare? Or is there some even greater threat yet to come? That said, I like this theory. It opens up some very interesting possibilities for Crossover Fanfiction. I for one like to consider a combination of this guess with my guessing above that Equestria is a plane of [[MagicTheGathering [[TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering Dominia]].
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** Assuming that the Nightmare entity is sort of like the [[SpiderMan Venom Symbiote,]] then wouldn't it gravitate towards Twilight as a host? Raw magical talent, with two dozen spells at her disposal, and she's being buttered up by Celestia for some reason. Draw a couple parallels, pull a couple threads, and I'm sure you can find a story...
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** Assuming that the Nightmare entity is sort of like the [[SpiderMan [[Franchise/SpiderMan Venom Symbiote,]] then wouldn't it gravitate towards Twilight as a host? Raw magical talent, with two dozen spells at her disposal, and she's being buttered up by Celestia for some reason. Draw a couple parallels, pull a couple threads, and I'm sure you can find a story...
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[[WMG: Flurry Heart is the Princess of Storge, or Familial Love.]]
Two of Equestria's princesses represent two of TheFourLoves. Cadence is the Princess of Love (Eros), and Twilight is the Princess of Friendship (Philia). That leaves two loves open. Flurry Heart's parents and relatives loved her so much before she was even born--and had such powerful magic--that she ascended before birth due to the power of familial love. When she gets older, she'll have the power to help families realize their love for one another and sort out their differences.
Two of Equestria's princesses represent two of TheFourLoves. Cadence is the Princess of Love (Eros), and Twilight is the Princess of Friendship (Philia). That leaves two loves open. Flurry Heart's parents and relatives loved her so much before she was even born--and had such powerful magic--that she ascended before birth due to the power of familial love. When she gets older, she'll have the power to help families realize their love for one another and sort out their differences.
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The writers know their fan-base and the popular memes they've inspired(I'm looking at you Muffin Mare), and Tyrant Celestia is rather popular one. Nightmare Celestia/Nightmare Sun/[[AwesomeMcCoolname Mourning Star]] would act as a LawfulEvil tyrant who'd [[DisproportionateRetribution banish anypony who doesn't follow the rules]], and will [[CainAndAbel despise Luna.]] She might even try to cause an EndlessDaytime if she suffers a VillainousBreakdown. As for the Molestia meme, [[CaptainObvious they can't show it]] but that doesn't mean [[LesYay they can't]] [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar imply it.]]
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The writers know their fan-base and the popular memes they've inspired(I'm looking at you Muffin Mare), and Tyrant Celestia is rather popular one. Nightmare Celestia/Nightmare Sun/[[AwesomeMcCoolname Mourning Star]] would act as a LawfulEvil tyrant who'd [[DisproportionateRetribution banish anypony who doesn't follow the rules]], and will [[CainAndAbel despise Luna.]] She might even try to cause an EndlessDaytime if she suffers a VillainousBreakdown. As for the Molestia meme, [[CaptainObvious they can't show it]] it but that doesn't mean [[LesYay they can't]] [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar imply it.]]
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The Elements of Harmony just de-aged her. The legends at the very beginning shows both Celestia and Luna being the same height, which [[CaptainObvious they aren't now.]] Luna's grown from the normal-pony-sized, flat-maned alicorn she was when she was first de-aged by the Elements, and now she's significantly darker, taller, and her mane is flowy. Gradually, her fur will turn black (as Celestia's presumably turned from rosy to white), and her mane to the floaty star thing. Luckily for Luna, this process is gradual enough that everypony will have time to get used to it rather than fleeing in terror every time they see her. (A sort of "watched pot never boils" effect.)
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The Elements of Harmony just de-aged her. The legends at the very beginning shows both Celestia and Luna being the same height, which [[CaptainObvious they aren't now.]] now. Luna's grown from the normal-pony-sized, flat-maned alicorn she was when she was first de-aged by the Elements, and now she's significantly darker, taller, and her mane is flowy. Gradually, her fur will turn black (as Celestia's presumably turned from rosy to white), and her mane to the floaty star thing. Luckily for Luna, this process is gradual enough that everypony will have time to get used to it rather than fleeing in terror every time they see her. (A sort of "watched pot never boils" effect.)
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** Not so much. [[CaptainObvious Pinkie Pie is pink]], while her parents were gray and orange. Twilight's color is darker then either of her parents'. There seems to be some random factor to how coloring is inherited. At the very least, the princesses could also have black and white parents.
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** Not so much. [[CaptainObvious Pinkie Pie is pink]], pink, while her parents were gray and orange. Twilight's color is darker then either of her parents'. There seems to be some random factor to how coloring is inherited. At the very least, the princesses could also have black and white parents.
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That Daybreaker could exist and the potential devastation she could inflict on her little ponies terrifies Celestia. A voluntary relinquishing of power and authority would be quite the screw-you to the power-mad, I-need-no-one-else Daybreaker. Luna accompanys her to act as an outside guide to help keep Daybreaker at bay, the [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Sam to Celestia's Frodo]]. Of course, Daybreaker isn't likely to take that sort of thing lying down...
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That Daybreaker could exist and the potential devastation she could inflict on her little ponies terrifies Celestia. A voluntary relinquishing of power and authority would be quite the screw-you to the power-mad, I-need-no-one-else Daybreaker. Luna accompanys accompanies her to act as an outside guide to help keep Daybreaker at bay, the [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Sam to Celestia's Frodo]]. Of course, Daybreaker isn't likely to take that sort of thing lying down...