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19th Sep '17 5:58:48 PM treehugger0369
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** Officially Jossed; Cadance is officially a mother.
18th Sep '17 5:55:55 PM Theriocephalus
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[[WMG: Winged unicorns aren't a naturally occurring race -- the princesses are just incredibly skilled unicorn sorceresses with a host of enchantments on top.]]
Note how they're called unicorns in the S1 opening. Also, unicorns used to raise the sun and the moon, according to the Hearth's Waming eve play. All it takes to become a princess pony are these spells:
* Permanent wings -- possibly similar to the spell Twilight cast in sonic Rainboom, except made to last. If a permanent version of that spell created the flutter ponies, who never seemed to have Rarity's fragility problems, Princess!Twilight might end up with butterfly wings.
* Size-up -- Maybe they had a chat with Tenser, or maybe some "ponies" just naturally grow that big (see Sapphire Shores and Fleur -- might be a "giants walked the earth in those days" type dealie)
* Longevity -- might be a spell, or might be caused by the golden apple tree Celestia owns, like in Myth/NorseMythology.
Their cutie marks are entirely natural. Eventually, unicorns were born that could control the heavens without needing the help of the other unicorns. The mightiest unicorn wizards (Star-Swirl if he was still alive) managed to cast a spell of eternal life on the sisters, so that the unicorns would never have to do it the old, hard way again. Their princess titles might have been given to them after that, or maybe they were born into the old Unicornian royal family.\\
Their skills with other magic came much later; they didn't have anywhere near the talent with non-solar/lunar magic that, say, Twilight does, but have had several millenia to practice. By the time Luna went loco, Celestia had such a great understanding of magic that she could not only wield the elements of harmony single-hoofedly, she could also mimic her sister's cutie mark power.
18th Sep '17 5:50:19 PM Theriocephalus
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[[WMG: Winged unicorns aren't a naturally ocurring race - the princesses are just incredibly skilled unicorn sorceresses with a host of enchantments on top.]]
Note how they're called unicorns in the S1 opening. Also, unicorns used to raise the sun and the moon, according to the Hearth's Waming eve play. All it takes to become a princess pony are these spells:
* Permanent wings - possibly similar to the spell Twilight cast in sonic Rainboom, except made to last. If a permanent version of that spell created the flutter ponies, who never seemed to have Rarity's fragility problems, Princess!Twilight might end up with butterfly wings.
* Size-up - Maybe they had a chat with Tenser, or maybe some "ponies" just naturally grow that big (see Sapphire Shores and Fleur - might be a "giants walked the earth in those days" type dealie)
* Longevity - might be a spell, or might be caused by the golden apple tree Celestia owns, like in Myth/NorseMythology.
Their cutie marks are entirely natural. Eventually, unicorns were born that could control the heavens without needing the help of the other unicorns. The mightiest unicorn wizards (Star-Swirl if he was still alive) managed to cast a spell of eternal life on the sisters, so that the unicorns would never have to do it the old, hard way again. Their princess titles might have been given to them after that, or maybe they were born into the old Unicornian royal family.
Their skills with other magic came much later; they didn't have anywhere near the talent with non-solar/lunar magic that, say, Twilight does, but have had several millenia to practice. By the time Luna went loco, Celestia had such a great understanding of magic that she could not only wield the elements of harmony single-hoofedly, she could also mimic her sister's cutie mark power.

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[[WMG: Winged unicorns aren't a naturally ocurring race - the princesses are just incredibly skilled unicorn sorceresses with a host of enchantments on top.]]
Note how they're called unicorns in the S1 opening. Also, unicorns used to raise the sun and the moon, according to the Hearth's Waming eve play. All it takes to become a princess pony are these spells:
* Permanent wings - possibly similar to the spell Twilight cast in sonic Rainboom, except made to last. If a permanent version of that spell created the flutter ponies, who never seemed to have Rarity's fragility problems, Princess!Twilight might end up with butterfly wings.
* Size-up - Maybe they had a chat with Tenser, or maybe some "ponies" just naturally grow that big (see Sapphire Shores and Fleur - might be a "giants walked the earth in those days" type dealie)
* Longevity - might be a spell, or might be caused by the golden apple tree Celestia owns, like in Myth/NorseMythology.
Their cutie marks are entirely natural. Eventually, unicorns were born that could control the heavens without needing the help of the other unicorns. The mightiest unicorn wizards (Star-Swirl if he was still alive) managed to cast a spell of eternal life on the sisters, so that the unicorns would never have to do it the old, hard way again. Their princess titles might have been given to them after that, or maybe they were born into the old Unicornian royal family.
Their skills with other magic came much later; they didn't have anywhere near the talent with non-solar/lunar magic that, say, Twilight does, but have had several millenia to practice. By the time Luna went loco, Celestia had such a great understanding of magic that she could not only wield the elements of harmony single-hoofedly, she could also mimic her sister's cutie mark power.



[[WMG: The guards standing next to the throne in the opening sequence are [[EliteMooks Elite Guards]].]]
Similar to [[StarWars Emperor Palpatine's]] red royal guard, these are specially trained guards, used as a last defense. Yet they never travel with her...
* Because Celestia generally travels by air. It would be difficult to bring non-pegasus guards along and doing so would slow her down in general. The unicorn guards probably aren't any more elite than the pegasus guards actually, just each group of guards is trained to cover different areas and situations.



[[WMG:The royal guards are actually magical constructs created by the princesses.]]
Each of it's members all look the same. That's very unusual for a non-background pony. They also almost exclusively appear whenever one of the princesses are around/nearby or have recently left. Why isn't there a royal guard any place else? Especially in Ponyville where it is in close proximity to an extremely dangerous forest. That's also very strange. Also Princess Luna as Nightmare Moon has demonstrated that she has the capability to divide and shapeshift herself into several ponies. If that is the case then it is highly likely that Princess Celestia also possess this kind of power. This opens up a new perspective whenever you see a royal guards: They are actually magical puppets and tools of the princesses to manipulate things and events to suit their plans.
* Alternatively, they are royal guards. They may all look the same because they are the same size and have the same color coats and manes. The former may be explicable by the fact that there may be size requirements for recruitment into the royal guards. Historically, many militaries, especially elite units, had standard size requirements; the Roman legions, for example, would not take any man who was too big or too small. As for their coats and manes all being the same color, that may be the result of dyeing their hair, which, considering ponies don't normally wear clothes, may be their equivalent of a military uniform. Also, just because they all look alike to us doesn't mean they all look alike to other ponies. As for why they are always around when the princesses are, and not otherwise, that's because they are royal guards: their job is to guard the princesses and their household. They are not the national army and they are not the police. And it's not even true that we never see them when the princesses aren't around: in the pilot, two pegasi members of the royal guards flew Twilight's carriage to Ponyville, and she thanked them, as if they were thinking, feeling ponies; they smiled at being thanked, as if they appreciated it; if they are constructs, Twilight doesn't seem to know it.
* Yeah, this one is jossed. Twilight's brother is a member of the guard.

[[WMG: The Royal Guard are ordinary ponies enchanted to look like that]].
A Bird in the Hoof seems to confirm that they're not just made out of magic, since Rainbow Dash asked if she could join up. Implying three things, if RD isn't wrong:
1: They had a life before signing up
2: They get paid, so they probably have free will, days off and individuality
3: They accept females into their ranks, though we haven't seen any yet
So, how come they all look the same? Magic. Celestia and Luna magically transform them into perfect soldiers (maybe only while they're on duty, keyed to their armor?), so they can focus on accepting the most loyal, rather than the most physically fit. This also makes them identical, so no-one can be sure who they are (for reasons similar to why SWAT teams and special forces wear masks), and might even change their race (this is why we haven't seen any earth pony guards, and also handily explains where Luna's bat-ponies came from).

[[WMG: The Princesses are [[CompositeCharacter Composite Characters]] of The Mane Six]].

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[[WMG:The royal guards are actually magical constructs created by the princesses.]]
Each of it's members all look the same. That's very unusual for a non-background pony. They also almost exclusively appear whenever one of the princesses are around/nearby or have recently left. Why isn't there a royal guard any place else? Especially in Ponyville where it is in close proximity to an extremely dangerous forest. That's also very strange. Also Princess Luna as Nightmare Moon has demonstrated that she has the capability to divide and shapeshift herself into several ponies. If that is the case then it is highly likely that Princess Celestia also possess this kind of power. This opens up a new perspective whenever you see a royal guards: They are actually magical puppets and tools of the princesses to manipulate things and events to suit their plans.
* Alternatively, they are royal guards. They may all look the same because they are the same size and have the same color coats and manes. The former may be explicable by the fact that there may be size requirements for recruitment into the royal guards. Historically, many militaries, especially elite units, had standard size requirements; the Roman legions, for example, would not take any man who was too big or too small. As for their coats and manes all being the same color, that may be the result of dyeing their hair, which, considering ponies don't normally wear clothes, may be their equivalent of a military uniform. Also, just because they all look alike to us doesn't mean they all look alike to other ponies. As for why they are always around when the princesses are, and not otherwise, that's because they are royal guards: their job is to guard the princesses and their household. They are not the national army and they are not the police. And it's not even true that we never see them when the princesses aren't around: in the pilot, two pegasi members of the royal guards flew Twilight's carriage to Ponyville, and she thanked them, as if they were thinking, feeling ponies; they smiled at being thanked, as if they appreciated it; if they are constructs, Twilight doesn't seem to know it.
* Yeah, this one is jossed. Twilight's brother is a member of the guard.

[[WMG: The Royal Guard are ordinary ponies enchanted to look like that]].
A Bird in the Hoof seems to confirm that they're not just made out of magic, since Rainbow Dash asked if she could join up. Implying three things, if RD isn't wrong:
1: They had a life before signing up
2: They get paid, so they probably have free will, days off and individuality
3: They accept females into their ranks, though we haven't seen any yet
So, how come they all look the same? Magic. Celestia and Luna magically transform them into perfect soldiers (maybe only while they're on duty, keyed to their armor?), so they can focus on accepting the most loyal, rather than the most physically fit. This also makes them identical, so no-one can be sure who they are (for reasons similar to why SWAT teams and special forces wear masks), and might even change their race (this is why we haven't seen any earth pony guards, and also handily explains where Luna's bat-ponies came from).

[[WMG: The Princesses are [[CompositeCharacter Composite Characters]] of The the Mane Six]].



[[WMG: Every Pony born an Alicorn has their own "Mane Six"]]
* Princess Celestia's should be fairly obvious.
* Princess luna's would be the Background Mane Six (Derpy, Lyra, Octavia, Vinyl, Bon Bon, and Raindrops instead of Doctor to keep the whole "Two Earth/Pegasi/Unicorns" thing).
* If you do not consider ''The Crystal Heart Spell'' canon, and you believe Cadence was born an Alicorn, than her team would be: Golden Harvest, Minuette, Berry Punch, Twinkleshine, Flitter, and Cloudchaser.
1st Sep '17 8:52:26 PM HalcyonDayz
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In Kingdom Hearts, Heartless are created when people give into the darkness in their hearts. In ''FiM'', Luna becomes Nightmare Moon for a similar reason. Celestia returns Luna to normal in the second episode in the same way that [[spoiler: Kairi restored Sora in the first Kingdom Hearts game, which suggests that Celestia is a Princess of Heart in this continuity.]]

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In Kingdom Hearts, Heartless are created when people give into the darkness in their hearts. In ''FiM'', ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', Luna becomes Nightmare Moon for a similar reason. Celestia returns Luna to normal in the second episode in the same way that [[spoiler: Kairi restored Sora in the first Kingdom Hearts game, which suggests that Celestia is a Princess of Heart in this continuity.]]



* Seriously, this was posted because the people over at the MLP:FIM Wiki seemed to jump to conclusions too quickly about Discord actually being Equestria's former ruler.

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* Seriously, this was posted because the people over at the MLP:FIM ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' Wiki seemed to jump to conclusions too quickly about Discord actually being Equestria's former ruler.



* In the Episode Magical Mystery Cure Celestia reveals to Twilight that she has been watching her adventures in Ponyville by displaying clips from past episodes of MLP:FIM in front of Twilight. Celestia could have [[BigBrotherIsWatching magical cameras recording all the important events in Ponyville]] which would also explain why everyone is always [[FourthWallObserver mugging for them]].

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* In the Episode Magical Mystery Cure Celestia reveals to Twilight that she has been watching her adventures in Ponyville by displaying clips from past episodes of MLP:FIM ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' in front of Twilight. Celestia could have [[BigBrotherIsWatching magical cameras recording all the important events in Ponyville]] which would also explain why everyone is always [[FourthWallObserver mugging for them]].
1st Sep '17 2:08:43 PM Theriocephalus
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* Jossed. Twilight, at least, ascended to alicornhood without the need to fuse with anybody else.



[[WMG: Celestia and Lunas respective elements]]

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[[WMG: Celestia and Lunas Luna's respective elements]]
27th Aug '17 1:37:53 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: The Reason We Never See Celestia and Luna's Parents is because of Copyright Laws (spoilers for YuMeDream)]]
... for you see, Equestria is actually [[YumeDream Nod]]. The current queen of Equestria was a very young girl who killed Don by mistake, yet was somehow still chosen by Nod to rule. She used her newfound powers to turn all the residents of the regular dream world into ponies (several thousand dream years has lead to them forgetting their true forms- after all, Equestrains don't seem to be very good at keeping track of history), found her prince charming, and had two daughters (who are the ones who actually have all the responsibility). But we never learn this, because in revealing her true appearance, we'd see her swirly eye and hair- and Rosalarian is not allowing them to do that for some reason or other. (why they don't just use a LawyerFriendlyCameo or the like is beyond me)

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[[WMG: The Reason We Never See Celestia and Luna's Parents is because of Copyright Laws (spoilers for YuMeDream)]]
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for you see, Equestria is actually [[YumeDream [[Webcomic/YumeDream Nod]]. The current queen of Equestria was a very young girl who killed Don by mistake, yet was somehow still chosen by Nod to rule. She used her newfound powers to turn all the residents of the regular dream world into ponies (several thousand dream years has lead to them forgetting their true forms- after all, Equestrains don't seem to be very good at keeping track of history), found her prince charming, and had two daughters (who are the ones who actually have all the responsibility). But we never learn this, because in revealing her true appearance, we'd see her swirly eye and hair- and Rosalarian is not allowing them to do that for some reason or other. (why they don't just use a LawyerFriendlyCameo or the like is beyond me)
13th Aug '17 10:51:08 AM Theriocephalus
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* Jossed. Luna has appeared multiple times in the show since the end of Season 1, with the nature of these appearances making it fairly clear that she lives in Canterlot as one of Equestria's rulers. Her lack of appearances in Season 1 can be presumed to be due to her going through a period of readjustment after returning from a millennium-long exile.
10th Aug '17 2:53:55 PM Theriocephalus
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* Alternatively, as run with in the popular FanFic Fanfic/PastSins, an Alicorn's maturation is a ManaMeter and in Season 2 she's just regained some of her lost power, after over a rest period of who knows how long, growing from what looks to be a 13-year-old-like body to a 18-or-so one, comparing assuming her full power would be something as large as Celestia.

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* Alternatively, as run with in the popular FanFic Fanfic/PastSins, ''Fanfic/PastSins'', an Alicorn's maturation is a ManaMeter and in Season 2 she's just regained some of her lost power, after over a rest period of who knows how long, growing from what looks to be a 13-year-old-like body to a 18-or-so one, comparing assuming her full power would be something as large as Celestia.



* Jossed by 'A Canterlot Wedding'. Celestia & Luna are not only standing right next to each other, they're getting along just fine.

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* Jossed by 'A "A Canterlot Wedding'.Wedding". Celestia & Luna are not only standing right next to each other, they're getting along just fine.
10th Aug '17 2:41:12 PM Theriocephalus
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Because Cadance would always try to be in a good mood while foal sitting, Twilight was unfamiliar with how Cadance would act in those circumstances. Deceptive!Cadance failing to recognize her at first was an actual slip up, but not the other things.

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Because Cadance would always try to be in a good mood while foal sitting, foalsitting, Twilight was unfamiliar with how Cadance would act in those circumstances. Deceptive!Cadance failing to recognize her at first was an actual slip up, but not the other things.


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[[WMG: Flurry Heart is the first ever Alicorn to have been born as such.]]
This is going by the characters' reaction in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E1TheCrystallingPart1 The Crystalling]]" to her having been born as an Alicorn.

--> '''Rarity:''' But... but... but I thought Alicorn wings had to be earned by accomplishing some great, princess-worthy deed!\\
'''Applejack:''' Yeah. How can you just be born with 'em?\\
'''Celestia:''' The birth of an Alicorn is something Equestria has never seen!\\
'''Luna:''' It is beyond even our understanding.

The interesting thing is Luna's comment: an Alicorn birth is not only something that has never been recorded before, but apparently something that the Princesses themselves did not believe was possible. Going by this, it seems likely that Flurry is the first (or at least the first that anybody ever heard of) Alicorn to be born as one, instead of ascending to Alicornhood later in life like all other Alicorns (including Celestia and Luna) did.
10th Aug '17 2:31:49 PM Theriocephalus
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* Is because Luna and Celestia need to tap into the LeyLines in order to move the sun and moon. Cadence is ruling the Crystal Empire rather than keep the world in balance, and Twilight's title is largely ceremonial. [[FridgeBrilliance It also explains why]] Celestia is so much bigger than everyone else; she's needed to double dip on the world's LifeEnergy to perform both jobs.

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* Is because Luna and Celestia need to tap into the LeyLines {{Ley Line}}s in order to move the sun and moon. Cadence is ruling the Crystal Empire rather than keep the world in balance, and Twilight's title is largely ceremonial. [[FridgeBrilliance It also explains why]] Celestia is so much bigger than everyone else; she's needed to double dip on the world's LifeEnergy to perform both jobs.




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* As it turned out, she didn't ''start'' out ruling anything, but she did eventually become the ruler of the Crystal Empire in Season 3.




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* If you consider the ''Literature/TwilightSparkleAndTheCrystalHeartSpell'' book canon, according to which she was a pegasus who ascended to alicornhood and isn't significantly older that Shining Armor, then this is most likely not true.



[[WMG:Princess Cadance and Shining Armor are referenced in S2E17, "Hearts and Hooves Day".]]
Sweetie Belle reads from the book Twilight gave her: "Apparently, some prince ''(Shining Armor)'' who long time ago whipped up this recipe and gave it to this princess ''(Princess Cadance)'' he liked. He meant it to be a love potion, but things didn't turn out so well. There's something here about a dragon ''(possibly skimming over "Draconequus")'', the kingdom falling, chaos reigning ''(another possible reference to Discord)''... Okay, apparently it was all because the prince and princess were so lost in each others eyes that they couldn't perform their royal duties."

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[[WMG:Princess Cadance and Shining Armor are referenced in S2E17, "Hearts "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E17HeartsAndHoovesDay Hearts and Hooves Day".Day]]".]]
Sweetie Belle reads from the book Twilight gave her: "Apparently, some prince ''(Shining Armor)'' who long time ago whipped up this recipe and gave it to this princess ''(Princess Cadance)'' he liked. He meant it to be a love potion, but things didn't turn out so well. There's something here about a dragon ''(possibly skimming over "Draconequus")'', the kingdom falling, chaos reigning ''(another possible reference to Discord)''... Okay, apparently it was all because the prince and princess were so lost in each others other's eyes that they couldn't perform their royal duties."




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* Unlikely. Even ignoring the debate over Cadance's age, Shining is Twilight's older brother and not that much older than her.



[[WMG: Cadance is the Princess Goddess in charge of The Fine Arts]]
Because her name sounds a lot like Cadence- a sequence of notes or chords comprising the close of a musical phrase.

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[[WMG: Cadance is the Princess Goddess in charge of The the Fine Arts]]
Because her name sounds a lot like Cadence- Cadence -- a sequence of notes or chords comprising the close of a musical phrase.



Rather, she is a semi-logical extension of Pumpkin and Pound cake's weird genetics. Where they got their unicorn/pegasus traits from old ancestors, Cadence got her wings from Celestia; however, unlike Celestia and Luna, who are combinations of all three races, Cadence is more like a Unicorn with wings attached: she doesn't seem to have the strength of an Earth Pony, and the only time she uses her wings is to glide when she and Twilight are [[spoiler: escaping the caverns and rescuing Spike and the Crystal Heart after being hurled by Shining Armor]], so it's possible she can't actually fly on her wings, only glide. Of course, she's still a very powerful unicorn, and descended from the Princesses, hence her title. She also isn't a goddess, just a very powerful unicorn whose special talent is something related to love.

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Rather, she is a semi-logical extension of Pumpkin and Pound cake's Cake's weird genetics. Where they got their unicorn/pegasus traits from old ancestors, Cadence got her wings from Celestia; however, unlike Celestia and Luna, who are combinations of all three races, Cadence is more like a Unicorn with wings attached: she doesn't seem to have the strength of an Earth Pony, and the only time she uses her wings is to glide when she and Twilight are [[spoiler: escaping the caverns and rescuing Spike and the Crystal Heart after being hurled by Shining Armor]], so it's possible she can't actually fly on her wings, only glide. Of course, she's still a very powerful unicorn, and descended from the Princesses, hence her title. She also isn't a goddess, just a very powerful unicorn whose special talent is something related to love.




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* If one considers the chapter books canon, then it seems she's a niece by adoption -- Celestia took her in after she ascended to alicornhood.



*** Compare Luna's form in seasons 1 and 2. In season 2 she is larger and has a darker coat, and can transform into Nightmare Moon at will. It's possible Cadance can transform as well, and assumed a younger form when foalsitting.

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*** Compare Luna's form in seasons 1 and 2. In season 2 she is larger and has a darker coat, and can transform into Nightmare Moon at will. It's possible Cadance can transform as well, and assumed a younger form when foalsitting.
foal sitting.
* Jossed if one considers the chapter books canonical to the show. According to ''Literature/TwilightSparkleAndTheCrystalHeartSpell'', she was a regular pegasus who became an alicorn like Twilight did.
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