History WMG / MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaJossed

[[WMG: Rein Eins's Starlight Breaker will be [[UpToEleven even more ginormous(ly powerful)]] in MOVIE 2nd A's.]]

''Nanoha'''s fanbase can essentially be split into two groups; the original fans who got hooked on the premise of "Magical Girls with Firepower" way back in the first season, and the massive influx of viewers brought in when ''[=StrikerS=]'' got the franchise mainstream attention by giving the genre [[GenreShift a more militant bent]]. With two groups of fans to please, rather than cater to one side or try to please both sides with a single series, Seven Arcs has created two separate manga, each one catering to half of the fanbase. Fans of the OriginalFlavor get to see Vivio and Einheart do the Befriending dance with each other in ''[=ViVid=]'' while fans who want more serious military-esque action get ''Force''. The two shows are focusing on two separate groups of people; the "next generation" and the Cyborgs are getting the focus of ''[=ViVid=]'' while ''Force'' focuses on the old crowd, which incidentally is a great way of splitting up the show's LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters into a more managable CastHerd.

* [[CompletelyMissingThePoint But the new weapons ARE magic-based]], just through a different kind of Device meant to get past the Hückebein's defenses. We haven't even gotten a clear visual on what they do yet, or if they can actually kill someone. And how is Force military-based, exactly, when all the main character has done so far is walk around by himself?

In TheOriginalSeries, Nanoha's SLB was, at best, the size of a city block. When A's came, many went [[{{HSQ}} HOLY SHIT]] to see Rein's SLB engulf most if not all of Uminari. Now that MOVIE 1st has raised the bar by making Movie!Nanoha!SLB engulf a city too, the only way to bring about the same "[[OhCrap Shitshit]][[RuleOfThree shit]][[FourIsDeath shit]] Nanoha's [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] out of her league" feeling would be to give Movie!Rein's SLB a proportional boost. Maybe all of Japan?

!!This is a page for wild mass guesses from the series ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha'' which have been {{Jossed}} by the series or WordOfGod. If a WMG on one of the [[WMG/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaOpenOne open]] [[WMG/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaOpenTwo pages]] is Jossed, please move it here.

* Chapter 8 of ''Manga/ViVid'' has her react to Megane calling her verbally, so this one's jossed.

[[WMG: ''Force'' and ''Manga/ViVid'' are the start of two separate continuities.]]

Because we know that will be a good marketing trick(we alreade have the ''Manga/ViVid'': Memory EX which appears around the date when the confirmation of the 2nd movie is announced) and also as the story goes very slowly, Signum's return looks far from coming for now(suggesting that the release of the movie is gonna be on January 2012). Instead we get to probably watch some Hayate and Vita awesomeness for the rest of 2011.

She's older in the sense that she was born first. She was in an accident and possibly in a coma for a while that arrested her aging (like in ''OnegaiTeacher''). Precia's sanity due to the incident was tenuous for while; but it didn't snap thanks to Fate and Lindy being there for her. After she recovered, Precia was a [[MyBelovedSmother beloved smother]] but this is tolerated because it could be worse. (They have no idea how worse it could be.)

Yes, it happens quite often that people talk to her, but all of those are mages, who seem to use their Psychic speech just as easily as they do regular speech. Her summons only communicate through gestures. Prime evidence is that she appears to be fully immume to Agito's Starling Howl, which seems to work more through sound bursts than light. Agito did tell Lutecia to close her eyes, but the sound doesn't seem to bother her at all. Also, there is a scene where Lutecia is captured, which we see from her viewpoint. Note that there's no sound at all (even though four characters are talking to her), until Sei talks to her with the aforementioned Psychic speech.

* It's entirely possible that Touma will turn out to be [[NiceJobBreakingItHero unintentionally causing a lot of problems by having Lily come with him]] and is mainly concerned about protecting her, while Nanoha and the rest of the TSAB are pursuing him to stop the problems without knowing why he's so devoted to Lily (Basically, like if A's had the Wolkenritter as the main characters, but in this case, the scientists and the people behind them might turn out to be the real villains).

* If this is true, she's probably with Hayate's group, and wants to get more information on why Tohma is doing what he's doing. Alternatively, she could be with Huckebein, as evidenced by [[spoiler:Veyron leaving a message to Touma with her rather than killing her]], helping keep Touma away from the authorities and on whatever plan Huckebein has for him.

The reason why the series is being split into two ''continuities'' (as opposed to two series in one timeline) is so the viewers can freely ignore [[FanonDiscontinuity whatever elements from the other show they don't want to pay attention to]]. For instance the [[MageKiller Huckbein]] and the weapon upgrades in ''Force'' are apparently shoehorning the heroes into either ditching their magic (which most likely means no more non-lethal attacks since they're using physical energy) or get [[CurbStompBattle Curb Stomped]] like [[spoiler: poor Signum]], but a magical girl series ''where magic is effectively useless'' is kinda... well... yeah. Hence the title change; the ''Mahou Senki Lyrical Nanoha Force'' continuity is completing the GenreShift from magical girl to sci-fi action, but ''[=ViVid=]'' and all future installments of '''''Magical Girl''' Lyrical Nanoha'' is still there to satisfy the fans of the OriginalFlavor, and since they take place in separate timelines there's no need to write around little things like [[AnyoneCanDie character deaths]].

* [[CompletelyMissingThePoint But the new weapons ARE magic-based]], just through a different kind of Device meant to get past the Huckebein's defenses. We haven't even gotten a clear visual on what they do yet, or if they can actually kill someone. And how is Force military-based, exactly, when all the main character has done so far is walk around by himself?
* It's military-based [[MildlyMilitary the same way ''StrikerS'' is]], i.e. the main characters (apart from Touma so far) are part of a military unit, as opposed to [=ViVid=] where Vivio and the crew are superpowered civilians who aren't working for the bureau (yet). And the translations of the weapon design images seem to indicate that they get around the Huckbein's magic immunity by converting magic into physical energy (or so I've heard. I'll be somewhat less disgusted with this series if I'm wrong) as part of the author's [[WhatWereYouThinking wonderfully well-thought out plan]] [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks to kill off the last of Nanoha's magical girl influences and turn it into a generic sci-fi action series]].

* It's military-based [[MildlyMilitary the same way ''StrikerS'' is]], i.e. the main characters (apart from Touma so far) are part of a military unit, as opposed to [=ViVid=] where Vivio and the crew are superpowered civilians who aren't working for the bureau (yet). And the translations of the weapon design images seem to indicate that they get around the Huckbein's magic immunity by converting magic into physical energy (or so I've heard. I'll be somewhat less disgusted with this series if I'm wrong) as part of the author's [[WhatWereYouThinking wonderfully well-thought out plan]] [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks to kill off the last of Nanoha's magical girl influences]] [[RuinedFOREVER and turn it into a generic sci-fi action series]].

* Chapter 8 of ViVid has her react to Megane calling her verbally, so this one's jossed.

[[WMG: The SCP Foundation, its derivatives, and or Expy's of it, exist in Nanoha's Universe]]
* This is why theres "little to no magic at all" on Earth.
** Remember that the only time we hear an explanation, its an adult talking to a child. Both nanoha and Graham had contact with the TSAB SHORTLY into their respective exposures to magic.
* The only reason Nanoha and her friends are not currently dead, imprisoned, or worse, is because the TSAB was able to get there first; and also establish "first dibs" on claim to the Jewel Seeds. The SCP Foundation(or its resident expy) fears the far larger TSAB and so did not go to arms over the matter.