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[[WMG: The Mysterious Figure is Marluxia's Somebody]]
He was the original leader of Orginazation XIII before they consisted of Nobodies. Larxene, Demyx, and Luxord were also originally part of it. When he met Xehanort/Xemnas, he was overthrown. This could explain why Marluxia was TheStarscream of Chain of Memories.
* One of the Final Mix + cutscenes shows two of the Organization members (I believe it was Xigbar and Zexion) talking about Marluxia just recently having been recruited into the Organization. So, no.
** Well, that's why I said his Somebody. I guess when he became a Nobody, Xemnas didn't recognize him.
*** All Nobodies we've seen look like their Somebodies. The one who looks the most different from their somebody is Roxas, which is likely due to him being a special case because of Kairi [[spoiler: and Ven,]] and even then, Xemnas was able to recognize him as Sora's nobody. Now, since Marluxia probably looks much like he did when he was a Somebody, I doubt that Xemnas would not recognize the man he stole an organization from.
* Jossed. [[spoiler: Young Master Xehanort is the Mysterious Figure.]]
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[[WMG: [[spoiler:Luxord is the Mysterious Figure]]]]
Hey ho! [[{{Tropers/AlexSora89}} This troper]], author of the End-Of-The-World theory seen in [[{{Fridge/ptitleua124i3d}} the BBS Fridge page]], proudly presents... a spoileriffic (and therefore spoilered) brand new theory: '''[[spoiler: The BonusBoss, "Unknown", ''is'' Luxord]]'''. And ''there is very decisive proof'' - namely, the following eight facts:
** N.1: [[WordOfGod Nomura said that]] [[spoiler: "the battle is canon".]]
** N.2: [[spoiler: The Unknown's blades vaguely resemble the arms of a clock.]]
** N.3: So does the [[spoiler: "No Name" keyblade]], complete with a [[spoiler: clock theme]] ''and even an [[spoiler: hourglass keychain]]''.
** N.4: [[spoiler: Luxord has power over time.]]
** N.5: [[spoiler: one of the Unknown's attacks is an [[InvokedTrope invocation]] of the TimeStandsStill trope, temporarily trapping you while [[strike: healing himself]] making his life bar go "rewind".]] You're following me so far? Good.
** N.6: You meet the [[spoiler: Unknown]] in the [[spoiler: ruined Land Of Departure]], when that world is on its way to become [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories Castle Oblivion]].]]
** N.7: [[spoiler: Also, Luxord's [[WeaponOfChoice Weapons Of Choice]] are cards.]]
** N.8: [[spoiler: Castle Oblivion uses a card system]]. And yet, oddly [[LampshadeHanging (as even the KH Wiki put it)]], [[spoiler: Luxord was not in Castle Oblivion during the events of Chain Of Memories]]. This doesn't absolutely mean he wasn't involved with that world.
** Resulting theory: [[spoiler: Luxord used his power to travel back in '''time''' because ''he was the one'' who '''implemented the card system''' in the Land Of Departure ''before it was turned into Castle Oblivion'', which is why you can't enter the castle anymore (if you did, you should see cards instead of your command deck - and this is justified by the fact that when Aqua and Ventus entered the castle once more, it was only during a cutscene which has no interface, hiding the cards "[[PersonAsVerb à la]] [[{{Halo}} Master-Chief-and-his-helmet]]")]]. The fact you [[spoiler: fought him]] was because [[spoiler: he didn't want any witnesses (he was probably going to leave that world with a corridor of darkness), and he used those blades instead of the cards either just to show off what he could ''[[ThatOneBoss really]]'' do, or because he wanted to ''use his actual power over time''.]] Now, [[spoiler: Luxord]] averted being a CreatorsPet because despite [[WordOfGod Nomura explicitly saying]] he's his favourite [[spoiler: Organization XIII member]], he had very little screentime; but after this WallOfText, the character is going to play the trope a lot more straight given that, if my theory will eventually be proven right, Tetsuya Nomura has much bigger plans for his beloved character.
* Jossed. [[spoiler: Young Master Xehanort is the Mysterious Figure.]]
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[[WMG:The cloaked figure in ''coded'' is [[spoiler:the real Sora]]]]
[[spoiler: Not the Sora we know, but instead future Sora, in a last recourse after suffering a (possibly literally) earth-shattering defeat to the TrueFinalBoss of the series. He knows that the key to beating it is in having the journal's records restored (and I mean ''all'' the records, even the ''Chain of Memories'' ones, which were corrupted and have turned into all that bug stuff & Blox), as this will grant him an EleventhHourSuperPower, allowing him to use the light contained within the emotions recorded in the journal to transform into the most powerful being in the KH universe, a Heartful, a being made of pure light yet able to channel the darkness as well, and the true source of the Keyblades. So, he went back in time, added a time-delayed virus to the journal that would cause a new line to appear if ever any of its contents were lost (for some reason, this virus didn't activate immediately, perhaps because it was removed from a computer and implanted within paper), in one big BatmanGambit.]]
* Jossed. It's [[spoiler: Data Roxas.]]
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[[WMG: The Mysterious Figure is Ventus all grown up and from the future]]
He's trying to stop Terra, Aqua, and himself from meeting their fates at the Keyblade Graveyard. His ability to affect time during battle and the clock on the Keyblade you win for beating him may hint him being from the future, as well as that the event that triggers his appearance happens chronologically after his appearance. He weilds his weapons backhand, has a wind-based attack and uses at least one move similar to Vanitas (the X-shaped beam). The Player is required to kill off Vanitas's remenant, maybe meaning that Vanitas needed to be completely dead... or completely returned to Ventus... for the event to happen. Or... something.
* Jossed. [[spoiler: MF is a young Master Xehanort.]]
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[[WMG: Kingdom Hearts 3D takes place partly or entirely in Castle Oblivion]]
Sora and Riku return to it to rescue [[spoiler:Aqua and Ventus]]. We know from Chain of Memories that if someone's trapped in the Darkness, they can escape through the Castle's basement, so Our Heros return to it to retrieve [[spoiler: Aqua]], and then, with her help and ability to unlock the Chamber of Awakening, get Sora [[spoiler: and therefore Ventus' heart]] to [[spoiler: Ventus' body]]. Traverse Town showed up in the trailer becuase, like last time, the Castle manifests itself as the visitors' memories.
* 3D is supposedly going to have brand new worlds. But then again, Sora and Riku never went to twilight town the first time either.
** If they do rescue [[spoiler: Aqua]] partway through, there would also be worlds ''she'' went to (which are, presumably, more than just [[spoiler: the worlds from BirthBySleep]]), and much the same goes for getting in touch with [[spoiler: Ventus's heart]]...
* To aid this theory, we know from the Re:Coded secret ending that [[spoiler: the game will involve Sora and Riku's Mark of Mastery exams]]. Since Castle Oblivion used to be [[spoiler: The Land of Departure]], noted for its balance of light and dark and how perfect that makes it for training...
* Jossed. It takes place in the Realm of Dreams.
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[[WMG: Mysterious Figure in [=KH:BbS=] may be Ansem the Wise.]]
Before I say anything: This was written when presented with the possibility that MF was Kairi's Grandma. This is pure WMG and a result of a sleepy mind. "Only problem I have with this theory is the keyblade/keyblade-esk weapon. If it is a Keyblade Ansem is probably borrowing it from the Keyblade Graveyard or a friend - possibly Yen Sid? After all, Yen's apprentice did become one of his closest friends pre-Heartless, so maybe Ansem the Wise knew or met Yen Sid before and they stayed in touch or Mickey's arrival on his world and his Keyblade reminded Ansem of his old buddy so he asked Mickey to help him see Yen Sid. If it's a different Weapon, it could be a special weapon based off the power of his own Heart, or it could be a brilliant next-gen sword that was later stolen and used by Xehanort (along with Ansem's name and social-status). After all, we did see all that machinery that manufactured Emblem Heartless in [=KH2=] and/or FM+ (little confused which at the moment), not to mention the Tron-world computer."
* Jossed. [[spoiler: MF is a young Master Xehanort.]]
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[[WMG: The Mysterious Figure in BBS is [[spoiler: Vanitas's nobody!]]]]
* The first superboss is described by the journal as [[spoiler: The remains of Vanitas's powerful thoughts and feelings.]] like a heartless, now then, the mysterious figure is strong and appears right behind you, as if he remembered all three of the main characters for [[spoiler: beating him up.]] Whereas the lingering memory waits and lashes out the mysterious figure calmy finds his real target, yet at the same time is searching for a heart [[spoiler: like ven's in the castle]] he doesnt know it isnt there he just knows where [[spoiler: ventus]] is. Lets not forget [[spoiler: he drops a keyblade, why would he have one of those? ( yeah i know almost everything drops one, its my WMG shut up)]] and in response to the above WMG [[spoiler: Ansem]] is perfectly fine back home with no mass overthrowing or invasions of heartless yet.
* Jossed. [[spoiler:The MF was a young Master Xehanort.]]
[[WMG: The Mysterious Figure in BBS is Master Eraqus's Nobody]]
* Reasoning: We know that Kairi didn't ''really'' have a Nobody when she faded out in the same manner that Master Eraqus did, but that was because she had a Heart of pure Light. However, the only people who could naturally have pure Hearts are the Princesses of Heart (and the [[{{Fanon}} Princes(ses) of Darkness]]), everybody else has some small amount of Darkness (or Light) in them. Ven and Vanitas were pure artificially, and, even as paranoid about Darkness as he seems, Master Eraqus knows the value of Balance and simply seeks to subdue the Darkness inside him. Therefore, he'd have enough Darkness to form a Nobody. Why he'd want to fight you, however, I don't really know. Maybe it's like the Lingering Sentiment and he just lashed out at the first being he saw.
** This is fairly reasonable, actually. Darkness in the heart isn't needed for a nobody to retain human form after losing it, just an enormously strong heart and will. Since Master Eraqus had willpower that you could move mountains with and an incredibly strong heart, it's natural that his nobody would be incredibly powerful. His battle with whoever visits the land of departure after his death could be chalked up to either not remembering them due to his heart not forming a Heartless or a desire to give his students one final test to ensure at least they might have a chance to survive.
** Another point of interest is the fight juxtaposed with the battle against Eraqus's armor in Final Mix. The battle is conducted in the same place, and despite the etherial blades being wielded quite differently from Eraqus's keyblade, both the Master's Armor and Mysterious Figure demonstrate the exact same elemental powers executed in different ways, similar levels of speed and power, and even have some similar attacks. Combine this with the WMG a bit further down about the Etherial Blade being a Nobody's version of the keyblade, and, well...
** Also, apparently the Mysterious Figure is subject to ThemeSongReveal. His theme takes cues from Rage Awakened, Lord of the Castle and Darkness of the Unknown -- makes perfect sense, since he's all that's left of Eraqus, former master of the Land of Departure and the Nobody of a Keyblade Master.
* Jossed. [[spoiler:MF is a Master however: Master Xehanort!]]
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[[WMG: The Mysterious Figure in ''BirthBySleep'' is [[spoiler: Ansem the Wise]]]]
* He's swinging ''blue'' [[strike:[[YouWannaGetSued lightsa-]]]] ethereal blades, just like Xemnas' red ones in [=KH1 FM=]. And, [[RedOniBlueOni as we all know]], red and blue are used in Japanese culture to show contrast between two characters. Well, [[spoiler: Ansem]] is the closest thing we have to a true counterpart to Xemnas (anyone else would be using Keyblades, not ethereal blades), and conveniently enough, [[TheUnfought we never saw him fight,]] so we have no idea what his combat style looks like, if he has one.
** It's hard for This Troper to think of someone else, however it's equivalent hard to think that [[spoiler: Ansem's]] such a BadassGrandpa.
** Yet more potential evidence: The keyblade you get for defeating the Mysterious Figure is apparently called "No Name." Remember how [[spoiler: Ansem made a big deal out of Xehanort stealing his name, and changed it to [=DiZ=] because of it?]]
*** [[spoiler: Ansem is an anagram for Names.]]
*** Alternately, [[spoiler:(as suggested by the below "Master Xehanort has a Nobody" WMG), the Mysterious Figure is Master Xehanort's body from after he extracted his heart in the same way that Sora did in ''[=KH1=]''.]]
**** The problem with that is that [[spoiler: he would still have his Keyblade in that case, same as Roxas. Like I said, all the other likely candidates would be using keyblades, not Xemnas' weapons painted blue.]]
** To be honest, by the point in the game that you fight the Mysterious Figure [[spoiler: Ansem The Wise hadn't been booted out to the Realm of Nothingness by Xehanort yet, meaning he was still at Radiant Garden, so he couldn't have been to the Land of Departure to [[ThatOneBoss beat your face in]].]] This Troper still supports this WMG, though, with a possibly-yet-to-be-added theory that [[spoiler: Ansem The Wise is a [[Series/DoctorWho Time Lord]]. Add these two theories together, and it means you really fight a [[FutureBadass version of him from further along the timeline]], maybe after he's freed from the Realm of Darkness]]. The only thing I still have no idea about is [[spoiler: ''why'' he'd desire to fight Ven/Aqua/Terra.]]
*** Well, the fight itself [[CanonDiscontinuity may not be canon.]] [[spoiler: Ven and Terra shouldn't even be around by the time you fight MF, same as with Vanitas' Sentiment, and Aqua should have already turned Land of Departure into Castle Oblivion, so that's another difference from canon. The fight may just be showing ''what'' Ansem would've been capable of if we ever saw him fight.]]
**** The fight ''is'' [[WordOfGod canon]]. Imagine, if you will, that the Mysterious Figure was there ''before'' you reach the Final Story and/or fight Vanitas's Sentiment. Terra is now going after Master Xehanort to avenge Master Eraqus, Aqua is following Master Yen Sid's directions and going to get answers from Terra, and Ven is going to see what happened between Terra and Master Eraqus. And as Ven finds himself horrified by the destruction of the only home he can really remember, a figure in a black cloak appears and manifests his weapons. Ven has no choice but to fight, but gets no answers after defeating the unknown person, who simply fades away again. Deciding to put the incident out of his mind, he goes to the Keyblade Graveyard himself, and the story continues from there.
* Jossed. [[spoiler:He is Master Xehanort as a youth.]]
* He's swinging ''blue'' [[strike:[[YouWannaGetSued lightsa-]]]] ethereal blades, just like Xemnas' red ones in [=KH1 FM=]. And, [[RedOniBlueOni as we all know]], red and blue are used in Japanese culture to show contrast between two characters. Well, [[spoiler: Ansem]] is the closest thing we have to a true counterpart to Xemnas (anyone else would be using Keyblades, not ethereal blades), and conveniently enough, [[TheUnfought we never saw him fight,]] so we have no idea what his combat style looks like, if he has one.
** It's hard for This Troper to think of someone else, however it's equivalent hard to think that [[spoiler: Ansem's]] such a BadassGrandpa.
** Yet more potential evidence: The keyblade you get for defeating the Mysterious Figure is apparently called "No Name." Remember how [[spoiler: Ansem made a big deal out of Xehanort stealing his name, and changed it to [=DiZ=] because of it?]]
*** [[spoiler: Ansem is an anagram for Names.]]
*** Alternately, [[spoiler:(as suggested by the below "Master Xehanort has a Nobody" WMG), the Mysterious Figure is Master Xehanort's body from after he extracted his heart in the same way that Sora did in ''[=KH1=]''.]]
**** The problem with that is that [[spoiler: he would still have his Keyblade in that case, same as Roxas. Like I said, all the other likely candidates would be using keyblades, not Xemnas' weapons painted blue.]]
** To be honest, by the point in the game that you fight the Mysterious Figure [[spoiler: Ansem The Wise hadn't been booted out to the Realm of Nothingness by Xehanort yet, meaning he was still at Radiant Garden, so he couldn't have been to the Land of Departure to [[ThatOneBoss beat your face in]].]] This Troper still supports this WMG, though, with a possibly-yet-to-be-added theory that [[spoiler: Ansem The Wise is a [[Series/DoctorWho Time Lord]]. Add these two theories together, and it means you really fight a [[FutureBadass version of him from further along the timeline]], maybe after he's freed from the Realm of Darkness]]. The only thing I still have no idea about is [[spoiler: ''why'' he'd desire to fight Ven/Aqua/Terra.]]
*** Well, the fight itself [[CanonDiscontinuity may not be canon.]] [[spoiler: Ven and Terra shouldn't even be around by the time you fight MF, same as with Vanitas' Sentiment, and Aqua should have already turned Land of Departure into Castle Oblivion, so that's another difference from canon. The fight may just be showing ''what'' Ansem would've been capable of if we ever saw him fight.]]
**** The fight ''is'' [[WordOfGod canon]]. Imagine, if you will, that the Mysterious Figure was there ''before'' you reach the Final Story and/or fight Vanitas's Sentiment. Terra is now going after Master Xehanort to avenge Master Eraqus, Aqua is following Master Yen Sid's directions and going to get answers from Terra, and Ven is going to see what happened between Terra and Master Eraqus. And as Ven finds himself horrified by the destruction of the only home he can really remember, a figure in a black cloak appears and manifests his weapons. Ven has no choice but to fight, but gets no answers after defeating the unknown person, who simply fades away again. Deciding to put the incident out of his mind, he goes to the Keyblade Graveyard himself, and the story continues from there.
* Jossed. [[spoiler:He is Master Xehanort as a youth.]]
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[[WMG: The Kingdom Hearts 3D trailer is deceptive, and in fact offers no hint whatsoever about the game's plot.]]
We know that Nomura is a LyingCreator based on statements that blatently contradict things mentioned in games that have already been released. Therefore, we have no reason to trust anything released this early. Besides, the trailer is one big MindScrew. I've heard talk of de-aging the characters, which makes no sense whatsoever without some kind of context.
* The thing was called "Kingdom Hearts 3D demo", of course it's not a serious thing at the moment.
** Actually, we now know that it was a demo for Kingdom Hearts 3d, which is going to be released for the Nintendo 3DS...
*** GaidenGame, the actual 3, or something more along the lines of an American released of ''coded''?
* Jossed. The trailer gives hints of the plot, and the trailer is mind-screwy because the game is mind-screwy.
We know that Nomura is a LyingCreator based on statements that blatently contradict things mentioned in games that have already been released. Therefore, we have no reason to trust anything released this early. Besides, the trailer is one big MindScrew. I've heard talk of de-aging the characters, which makes no sense whatsoever without some kind of context.
* The thing was called "Kingdom Hearts 3D demo", of course it's not a serious thing at the moment.
** Actually, we now know that it was a demo for Kingdom Hearts 3d, which is going to be released for the Nintendo 3DS...
*** GaidenGame, the actual 3, or something more along the lines of an American released of ''coded''?
* Jossed. The trailer gives hints of the plot, and the trailer is mind-screwy because the game is mind-screwy.
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[[WMG: Nobodies really DON'T have emotion in the human sense, they just repeat the behaviors they were following before (unless they get it off a reflected heart).]]
This explains why their really isn't anything to Larxene other than Sadism and Rage, anything to Luxord apart from an obsession with games, and anything to Xemnas apart form an obsession to grab power, even when it would be simpler just to kill the people who could stop him. Thoughts? It might possibly just be the worst part of you,but who knows?
* That's nearly a given really, it's never stated but heavily implied from what I've seen that Nobodies cling to the memories of what they once were, and pretty much try to maintain that idea. In the recent game it was revealed since Roxas had no past, he acted like a zombie and basically learned what to be like as time went on. Although one could argue that there do seem to be a few parts of his character that don't see to come from anyone else...
* I always assumed that this explained the one-dimensional personalities of most of the Organization. Since they cannot form new emotional responses, they simply try to mimic the strongest memories they have of their human selves. They readily do evil no matter what their former nature since, lacking real empathy and all, they can rationalize anything to themselves.
* Played with, but ultimately jossed. [[spoiler: The Organization members don't believe that they have hearts, so they repeat their past behaviors. In KH3D, however, it's revealed that Nobodies have at least the beginnings of hearts.]]
This explains why their really isn't anything to Larxene other than Sadism and Rage, anything to Luxord apart from an obsession with games, and anything to Xemnas apart form an obsession to grab power, even when it would be simpler just to kill the people who could stop him. Thoughts? It might possibly just be the worst part of you,but who knows?
* That's nearly a given really, it's never stated but heavily implied from what I've seen that Nobodies cling to the memories of what they once were, and pretty much try to maintain that idea. In the recent game it was revealed since Roxas had no past, he acted like a zombie and basically learned what to be like as time went on. Although one could argue that there do seem to be a few parts of his character that don't see to come from anyone else...
* I always assumed that this explained the one-dimensional personalities of most of the Organization. Since they cannot form new emotional responses, they simply try to mimic the strongest memories they have of their human selves. They readily do evil no matter what their former nature since, lacking real empathy and all, they can rationalize anything to themselves.
* Played with, but ultimately jossed. [[spoiler: The Organization members don't believe that they have hearts, so they repeat their past behaviors. In KH3D, however, it's revealed that Nobodies have at least the beginnings of hearts.]]
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[[WMG:The Unversed really are Unbirths]]
The name matches the Heartless/Nobody naming system much better. However, because of the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NightmareFuel/KingdomHearts negative reaction to the name]], it was changed to Unversed, which makes much less sense.
* Unbirth does make more sense when you consider that they are "the opposite of life" (Or So I Heard), as well as being "born" of negative emotions but not being actually alive.
* Jossed. It was a translation error.
The name matches the Heartless/Nobody naming system much better. However, because of the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NightmareFuel/KingdomHearts negative reaction to the name]], it was changed to Unversed, which makes much less sense.
* Unbirth does make more sense when you consider that they are "the opposite of life" (Or So I Heard), as well as being "born" of negative emotions but not being actually alive.
* Jossed. It was a translation error.
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[[WMG:Axel is still alive.]]
Because seriously; ''how'' many death scenes has he had?
* One. It's unclear what happens to him in Chain of Memories, in its remake, [[spoiler:we see that he escapes after his battle with Sora on floor 13, and brings Repliku to the basement HQ to absorb Zexion]], and Roxas didn't do anything to him in KHII's prologue.
** Actually, you find out Axel is alive in the original Chain of Memories if you play Riku's story in the Reverse/Rebirth part.
** [[DeaderThanDead Axel is definitely dead.]] [[DeathIsCheap Lea, on the other hand, is alive and kicking.]]
* Jossed... sort of. [[spoiler: Axel seems to be gone, but Lea is back and there's barely any difference between them.]]
Because seriously; ''how'' many death scenes has he had?
* One. It's unclear what happens to him in Chain of Memories, in its remake, [[spoiler:we see that he escapes after his battle with Sora on floor 13, and brings Repliku to the basement HQ to absorb Zexion]], and Roxas didn't do anything to him in KHII's prologue.
** Actually, you find out Axel is alive in the original Chain of Memories if you play Riku's story in the Reverse/Rebirth part.
** [[DeaderThanDead Axel is definitely dead.]] [[DeathIsCheap Lea, on the other hand, is alive and kicking.]]
* Jossed... sort of. [[spoiler: Axel seems to be gone, but Lea is back and there's barely any difference between them.]]
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[[WMG: Nobodies can think through emotions, but not feel them.]]
* The Nobodies, while no longer possessing hearts, still have minds, and memories (complete or otherwise) of life before nobody-dom. So, on an intellectual level, they can recognize situations and circumstances that would call up given emotions, and access them through the memories they have. Because it is, in a way, a chance to relive the experience of having a heart, and feeling emotions, which they'd miss, having experienced it previously. It also lends credence to the above 'Nobodies are Sociopaths' theory.
**Now Jossed, thanks to ''Dream Drop Distance''. [[spoiler: Xemnas and Xigbar confirm that Nobodies not only have genuine feelings, but that they begin to develop a heart over time. They merely tricked the others into believing themselves completely devoid of emotion, to further Xehanort's master plan]]. Sora is suitably outraged by this revelation.
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* The DS game somewhat josses this up a bit. In KingdomHearts358DaysOver2, it is clear that Axel and Saix were working together to take over the Organization from within. Then again, the key word here is ''take over'', and not destroy. Still, how letting Namine go and thus allowing her to be a tool of [=DiZ=]'s (and, by extension, an ally to Sora) helps their scheme is still a mystery. If they wanted to slow down Kingdom Hearts growth, they could have just crippled Roxas and locked Namine away. But they never seem to have intended to slow down its growth anyway, which would have been a good idea, given how Xemnas wanted to go into his OneWingedAngel mode using it. Another interpretation is that they wanted to use Sora as a weapon to screw over 3/4 of the Organization, so that they could pound up the remaining quarter. Alas, Saix [[BecomingTheMask got too comfortable in his role as Xemnas' right hand man]] ...
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* {{Jossed}}. I would love if he'd said that, but no. First of all, Xion is [[spoiler: absorbed into Sora once more at the end of [[KingdomHearts358DaysOver2 358/2 Days]]]] Next, Ventus has [[spoiler: lost his heart to Sora, and is now a well-preserved coma corpse in the Chamber of Waking]] Finally, Roxas is [[spoiler: Sora's nobody.]] True, he looks like [[spoiler:Ventus]] because of the heart thing, but it doesn't necessarily mean they ''are'' eachother.
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* {{Jossed}}. I would love if he'd said that, but no. First of all, Xion is [[spoiler: absorbed into Sora once more at the end of [[KingdomHearts358DaysOver2 [[VideoGame/KingdomHearts358DaysOver2 358/2 Days]]]] Next, Ventus has [[spoiler: lost his heart to Sora, and is now a well-preserved coma corpse in the Chamber of Waking]] Finally, Roxas is [[spoiler: Sora's nobody.]] True, he looks like [[spoiler:Ventus]] because of the heart thing, but it doesn't necessarily mean they ''are'' eachother.
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** Though [[WordOfGod Nomura]] ''has'' mentioned that the plot was altered in development due to the abortion debate.
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[[WMG: Possible voice actors for Frollo in KingdomHearts3d]]
Due to the tragic passing of TonyJay, it would be impossible to find someone to emulate his voice. However, here are some potential VAs:
* CoreyBurton- After hearing him as Sark and [[TransformersAnimated Shockwave]], he has potential.
* KelseyGrammer- [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtm80Z2iqoA This AMV gave me the idea.]]
** Unfortunately, both have been jossed. JimCummings is the new voice for Frollo. [[http://the-frollo-society.deviantart.com/art/Breaking-News-About-The-New-Voice-Of-Frollo-270301920]]
Due to the tragic passing of TonyJay, it would be impossible to find someone to emulate his voice. However, here are some potential VAs:
* CoreyBurton- After hearing him as Sark and [[TransformersAnimated Shockwave]], he has potential.
* KelseyGrammer- [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtm80Z2iqoA This AMV gave me the idea.]]
** Unfortunately, both have been jossed. JimCummings is the new voice for Frollo. [[http://the-frollo-society.deviantart.com/art/Breaking-News-About-The-New-Voice-Of-Frollo-270301920]]
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***** [[spoiler:Both may be true, if you think about it. Namine is NOT Kairi's Nobody - she never became a Heartless. Namine was constructed from ''Sora's'' memory - and no one said Nobodies had to follow the visual template of their originals strictly. They could modify them (Axel/Lea, Isa/Saix, Ienzo/Zexion) or change them altogether. The founding six could have retained their looks for whatever reason, but last I remember I don't recall Even having a big shield and throwing ice... or Lea being a unstable pryomanic. Also, just because a "fact" is disproven by later evidence does not make that fact ''by itself'' false... Pretty much anyone's Keyblade is an AssPull given no other evidence. Sora/Roxas is explained by Ventus/Kairi, the latter which was protected by a spell ''specifically tailored to help Kairi survive having her heart stolen!'' ([[FridgeBrillance This was Aqua was able to survive a decade in The Dark Realm]]) Riku's is given by Terra(nort). And there is no concept of death in the game - [[YourMileageMayVary if you view death as a total loss of existence.]] It may be Noruma showing off his minor in psycology (identity theory, to be exact), but maybe he is tyring to tell us that we should strive to look at both sides of an argument and [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped being narrow minded is bad]] -- exactly what Master Xehanort [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans tried to do]] and exactly [[HoistByHisOwnPetard what happened to him]].]]
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***** [[spoiler:Both may be true, if you think about it. Namine is NOT Kairi's Nobody - she never became a Heartless. Namine was constructed from ''Sora's'' memory - and no one said Nobodies had to follow the visual template of their originals strictly. They could modify them (Axel/Lea, Isa/Saix, Ienzo/Zexion) or change them altogether. The founding six could have retained their looks for whatever reason, but last I remember I don't recall Even having a big shield and throwing ice... or Lea being a unstable pryomanic. Also, just because a "fact" is disproven by later evidence does not make that fact ''by itself'' false... Pretty much anyone's Keyblade is an AssPull given no other evidence. Sora/Roxas is explained by Ventus/Kairi, the latter which was protected by a spell ''specifically tailored to help Kairi survive having her heart stolen!'' ([[FridgeBrillance ([[FridgeBrilliance This was Aqua was able to survive a decade in The Dark Realm]]) Riku's is given by Terra(nort). And there is no concept of death in the game - [[YourMileageMayVary if you view death as a total loss of existence.]] It may be Noruma showing off his minor in psycology (identity theory, to be exact), but maybe he is tyring to tell us that we should strive to look at both sides of an argument and [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped being narrow minded is bad]] -- exactly what Master Xehanort [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans tried to do]] and exactly [[HoistByHisOwnPetard what happened to him]].]]
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[[WMG:The Old Mansion in Twilight Town was once owned by Birth By Sleep's Master Xehanort]]
Pence says, in regards to the Seventh "Wonder" of Twilight Town that no one has lived in the Old Mansion for years. If my math is correct, which it usually is, ''Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep'' takes place 11 years before ''Kingdom Hearts II''. Granted, the Pence that says this is [[spoiler:digital]], but I see no reason why [=DiZ=] [[spoiler:(aka: Ansem the Wise)]] would have to change this particular fact for [[spoiler:the virtual]] Twilight Town.
Also, the table in the Dining Room is smashed by the fallen chandelier. Upon examination, it says, "Only a massive blast could have destroyed this." Could this be part of Terra having his rage awakened?
Beneath the Library, there is another door, but it's blocked by pipes. Could this be where the fabled Room of Awakening that Xemnas is searching for is located?
And beyond the Library, in the room with Donald and Goofy's 'Sleep Pods', there are two Pods near to the entrance, which, when examined, indicate that they were used before. By whom? On whom? Possibly, one was used on the one who will become Xehanort, whoever the WMG'ers believe him to be.
* Jossed (well, the Chamber of Waking part at least), the Chamber of Waking is explicitly in Castle Oblivion.
Pence says, in regards to the Seventh "Wonder" of Twilight Town that no one has lived in the Old Mansion for years. If my math is correct, which it usually is, ''Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep'' takes place 11 years before ''Kingdom Hearts II''. Granted, the Pence that says this is [[spoiler:digital]], but I see no reason why [=DiZ=] [[spoiler:(aka: Ansem the Wise)]] would have to change this particular fact for [[spoiler:the virtual]] Twilight Town.
Also, the table in the Dining Room is smashed by the fallen chandelier. Upon examination, it says, "Only a massive blast could have destroyed this." Could this be part of Terra having his rage awakened?
Beneath the Library, there is another door, but it's blocked by pipes. Could this be where the fabled Room of Awakening that Xemnas is searching for is located?
And beyond the Library, in the room with Donald and Goofy's 'Sleep Pods', there are two Pods near to the entrance, which, when examined, indicate that they were used before. By whom? On whom? Possibly, one was used on the one who will become Xehanort, whoever the WMG'ers believe him to be.
* Jossed (well, the Chamber of Waking part at least), the Chamber of Waking is explicitly in Castle Oblivion.
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[[WMG: The [[DonaldDuck Donald]] and {{Goofy}} from Chain of Memories were not the real Donald and Goofy]]
They were Sora's memories of Donald and Goofy. At the beginning, they were separated when that Org XIII member created the deck of cards. However, the cards were made of Sora's memories, therefore, the real ones didn't rejoin him for the rest of the game. Where the Organization kept them, and what happened to them, is yet unknown.
* This is actually canon.
** So... how do all of the other characters interact with Donald and Goofy in Kingdom Hearts 2? Or are they the real ones by that point? Where ''did'' the Organization keep them, and did [=DiZ=] or Namine get them in time to put them in their own pods? Man this is confusing.
** The latest videos or 358/2 Days have shown Donald and Goofy fighting along side the Organization during the time Sora was in the pod. It stands to reason that they were separated from Sora in Castle Oblivion and weren't reunited with him until Kingdom Hearts 2.
*** Or... they could just be bonus characters for the non-story multiplayer. Sora's playable too, despite being in a pod for most of the game.
** But Donald and Goofy were in memory reconstruction pods beside Sora, at least when he entered and left his own, which hints that the only time they weren't with Sora during Chain of Memories was when he entered a cardworld unlocked by his memory. Either the white hall scenes between worlds saw them return from card state or the dialogues during these times reflected the memory loss Donald and Goofy experienced while apart from Sora. If neither of these options happened, placing the pair in pods would be unnecessary because they didn't actually lose their memories. It's possible the Organization interrupted this process and put the pair back when they were done with them, but that just raises the question as to why Sora, but not Donald and Goofy, needed the entire year to regain his memories.
** Donald and Goofy didn't have Nobodies mucking up the process.
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*** Or he made his deal with Hades prior to the game, and Aerith was revived in exchange for Sephiroth being created from Cloud's darkness by Hades.
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** Which means if Cloud wants to resurrect Aerith, he's not aware that she's alive.
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** Axel killed two members, not just one. There was nothing the least bit indirect about his involvement in Zexion's death. Repliku was just his weapon of choice.
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** Debatable. Timeless River was even further into the past than Birth By Sleep. Meeting Sora at Timeless River could be why Mickey got Star Seeker.
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** Not totally Jossed. Not ALL of them were "evil incarnate" (Roxas, especially), but they did need to be stopped. As Nomura put it, while some of them have sympathetic motivations (Axel and Saïx for instance, are the only ones that actively care about getting their hearts back), that doesn't make them good guys.
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!!This is a page for wild mass guesses from the series ''KingdomHearts'' which have been {{Jossed}} by the games or WordOfGod. If a WMG on one of the [[WMG/KingdomHeartsOpenOne open]] [[WMG/KingdomHeartsOpenTwo pages]] is is Jossed, please move it here.
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* The DS game somewhat josses this up a bit. In KingdomHearts358DaysOver2, it is clear that Axel and Saix were working together to take over the Organization from within. Then again, the key word here is ''take over'', and not destroy. Still, how letting Namine go and thus allowing her to be a tool of DiZ's (and, by extension, an ally to Sora) helps their scheme is still a mystery. If they wanted to slow down Kingdom Hearts growth, they could have just crippled Roxas and locked Namine away. But they never seem to have intended to slow down its growth anyway, which would have been a good idea, given how Xemnas wanted to go into his OneWingedAngel mode using it. Another interpretation is that they wanted to use Sora as a weapon to screw over 3/4 of the Organization, so that they could pound up the remaining quarter. Alas, Saix [[BecomingTheMask got too comfortable in his role as Xemnas' right hand man]] ...
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* The DS game somewhat josses this up a bit. In KingdomHearts358DaysOver2, it is clear that Axel and Saix were working together to take over the Organization from within. Then again, the key word here is ''take over'', and not destroy. Still, how letting Namine go and thus allowing her to be a tool of DiZ's [=DiZ=]'s (and, by extension, an ally to Sora) helps their scheme is still a mystery. If they wanted to slow down Kingdom Hearts growth, they could have just crippled Roxas and locked Namine away. But they never seem to have intended to slow down its growth anyway, which would have been a good idea, given how Xemnas wanted to go into his OneWingedAngel mode using it. Another interpretation is that they wanted to use Sora as a weapon to screw over 3/4 of the Organization, so that they could pound up the remaining quarter. Alas, Saix [[BecomingTheMask got too comfortable in his role as Xemnas' right hand man]] ...
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[[WMG: When Sora saves Ventus, Ventus will abandon his former name and assume the name "Roxas."]]
Someone [[spoiler: perhaps Xion]] will address him as Roxas, and then he'll remark something like, "Roxas- a no name for a nobody. I guess it fits though, after being deconstructed and reconstructed so many times all these years, I suppose I am neither Ventus nor Sora anymore."
*{{Jossed}}. I would love if he'd said that, but no. First of all, Xion is [[spoiler: absorbed into Sora once more at the end of [[KingdomHearts358DaysOver2 358/2 Days]]]] Next, Ventus has [[spoiler: lost his heart to Sora, and is now a well-preserved coma corpse in the Chamber of Waking]] Finally, Roxas is [[spoiler: Sora's nobody.]] True, he looks like [[spoiler:Ventus]] because of the heart thing, but it doesn't necessarily mean they ''are'' eachother.
Someone [[spoiler: perhaps Xion]] will address him as Roxas, and then he'll remark something like, "Roxas- a no name for a nobody. I guess it fits though, after being deconstructed and reconstructed so many times all these years, I suppose I am neither Ventus nor Sora anymore."
*{{Jossed}}. I would love if he'd said that, but no. First of all, Xion is [[spoiler: absorbed into Sora once more at the end of [[KingdomHearts358DaysOver2 358/2 Days]]]] Next, Ventus has [[spoiler: lost his heart to Sora, and is now a well-preserved coma corpse in the Chamber of Waking]] Finally, Roxas is [[spoiler: Sora's nobody.]] True, he looks like [[spoiler:Ventus]] because of the heart thing, but it doesn't necessarily mean they ''are'' eachother.
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[[WMG: Sora made Mickey a Keyblade Master]]
When Sora and company went "back in time" to the Timeless River, Sora accidentally initiated a Keyblade Inheritance Ceremony on Mickey, making him his successor. Mickey owes Sora, big time.
* [[Tropers/X2X I]] would not be surprised if ''KH'' ran on a StableTimeLoop such as this theory. It'd actually be pretty cool if this were true.
*{{Jossed}}. In Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep, Mickey already has a keyblade. He undergoes the Mark of Mastery exam while Ventus, Aqua, and Terra [[spoiler: are looking for Master Xehanort and Vanitas]]
When Sora and company went "back in time" to the Timeless River, Sora accidentally initiated a Keyblade Inheritance Ceremony on Mickey, making him his successor. Mickey owes Sora, big time.
* [[Tropers/X2X I]] would not be surprised if ''KH'' ran on a StableTimeLoop such as this theory. It'd actually be pretty cool if this were true.
*{{Jossed}}. In Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep, Mickey already has a keyblade. He undergoes the Mark of Mastery exam while Ventus, Aqua, and Terra [[spoiler: are looking for Master Xehanort and Vanitas]]
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!!This is a page for wild mass guesses from the series ''KingdomHearts'' which have been {{Jossed}} by the games or WordOfGod. If a theory from WMG on one of the [[WMG/KingdomHeartsOpen open WMG]] page [[WMG/KingdomHeartsOpenOne open]] [[WMG/KingdomHeartsOpenTwo pages]] is is Jossed, please move it here.
