History WMG / KingdomHeartsJossed

21st Jan '17 11:40:54 PM olivemeister
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[[WMG: Kingdom Hearts 3D will concern [[ArtificialHuman Replicas]] of Sora, Riku and an unidentified third party]]

* It's pretty well-established that the 3D trailer is MindScrew incarnate. But there are a few hints as to what it's actually about. Firstly, what's with all the [[ItsRainingMen Soras falling down out of the sky?]] That makes no sense at all, especially if we're to take [[WordOfGod Tetsuya Nomura's statement]] about this taking place right after ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' (or was it after Coded?) at face value...because Sora and Riku aren't just in their [=KH1=] attire, they're their KingdomHearts SELVES. And Traverse Town--what? Wasn't that destroyed? But if you put all these bizzare elements, something shines through.
** Riku and Sora are the only characters [[spoiler: to have Replicas.]]
** And then suddenly everything makes sense. Why is everything trippy? Because it's all a simulation. Perhaps [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty a training simulation for Replicas based on the actual events of KH1?]] A Sora Replica and a Riku Replica must team up and trust one another if they're to escape the BigBad's evil fake worlds--and he's probably Vexen, his Replica, or his original self--to escape and warn Our Heroes about the new threat. Or kill Vexen [[MemeticMutation to death.]]
** Also Kingdom Hearts 3D stands for 3 Duplicates. There is a third, as-of-yet unrevealed duplicate that's going to show up and be a playable character...and I bet it's [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/KingdomHearts358DaysOver2 Xion.]]]]
*** Or, of course, it could be RE: coded, just in 3d.
*** Y'mean, they're gonna release a remake of the same game, twice, for two different consoles, within the course of a year. C'mon they're not THAT stupid. (My theory? It's gonna be RE:'''3'''58/2'''D'''ays.)
* Jossed. 3D takes place in the Realm of Dreams, which is why it's so trippy. The only replica seen in the game is [[spoiler: Xion, and only via Roxas' memories and Sora's hallucinations]].
21st Jan '17 11:26:50 PM olivemeister
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* '''Jossed'''; the emotions that the Organization members apparently start to feel is because, according to 3D, [[spoiler: Nobodies will inevitably begin to regrow their hearts as long as they continue to exist]]. The reason Axel feels like he has a heart when he's around Roxas (and later, Sora) is because [[spoiler: his friendship with Roxas accelerated the process], not anything inherent or unique to Roxas.

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* '''Jossed'''; the emotions that the Organization members apparently start to feel is because, according to 3D, [[spoiler: Nobodies will inevitably begin to regrow their hearts as long as they continue to exist]]. The reason Axel feels felt like he has a heart when he's around Roxas (and later, Sora) is was because [[spoiler: his friendship with Roxas accelerated the process], not anything inherent or unique to process. It could have been anyone, it just ended up being Roxas.]]
21st Jan '17 11:25:54 PM olivemeister
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[[WMG: Roxas makes Nobodies feel ''as an inherent power of what he is''.]]
Apart from the whole mess with Kairi, Kairi's heart, and Namine, [[spoiler: Sora has his heart and Ventus'. When he becomes a Heartless, this overabundance of heart allows Roxas to still retain at least traces of Heart, if not full power, which leaks out (being not built for his body, though it does influence Sora's Nobody's form) into the nearest void;]] that is, a Nobody close to his heart, i.e., Axel. [[spoiler: Repli-No.i-Xion]] need have nothing to do with this until we find out more about Replicas (personally, I think Replicas are more than capable of feeling emotion far beyond the synthesized emotion that Nobodies can use to work themselves into a frenzy, tizzy, etc.).
* Xion doesn't need to be explained actually [[spoiler: she's a replica which do have hearts. Repliku is mentioned to have one by both himself, Larxene, and Namine.]] This does expalin Axel though.
* '''Jossed'''; the emotions that the Organization members apparently start to feel is because, according to 3D, [[spoiler: Nobodies will inevitably begin to regrow their hearts as long as they continue to exist]]. The reason Axel feels like he has a heart when he's around Roxas (and later, Sora) is because [[spoiler: his friendship with Roxas accelerated the process], not anything inherent or unique to Roxas.
27th Oct '16 9:10:37 PM PastryPerson
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* [[spoiler: Jossed. The Unversed didn't even exist until Vanitas formed from Ventus's extracted darkness, and by then Sora was only a newborn and Ventus was already in his teens.]]
24th May '16 6:00:32 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* [[{{Voltron}} And I'll form... the HEAD!]]

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* [[{{Voltron}} [[Anime/{{Voltron}} And I'll form... the HEAD!]]
1st Jun '15 10:07:35 AM phoenix
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[[WMG: The Mysterious Figure in ''BirthBySleep'' is [[spoiler: Ansem the Wise]]]]

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[[WMG: The Mysterious Figure in ''BirthBySleep'' ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'' is [[spoiler: Ansem the Wise]]]]



** If they do rescue [[spoiler: Aqua]] partway through, there would also be worlds ''she'' went to (which are, presumably, more than just [[spoiler: the worlds from BirthBySleep]]), and much the same goes for getting in touch with [[spoiler: Ventus's heart]]...

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** If they do rescue [[spoiler: Aqua]] partway through, there would also be worlds ''she'' went to (which are, presumably, more than just [[spoiler: the worlds from BirthBySleep]]), ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'']]), and much the same goes for getting in touch with [[spoiler: Ventus's heart]]...



[[WMG: The Mysterious Figure in ''BirthBySleep'' is "Venitas"' Nobody.]]

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[[WMG: The Mysterious Figure in ''BirthBySleep'' ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'' is "Venitas"' Nobody.]]
16th May '15 4:26:25 PM nombretomado
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** Resulting theory: [[spoiler: Luxord used his power to travel back in '''time''' because ''he was the one'' who '''implemented the card system''' in the Land Of Departure ''before it was turned into Castle Oblivion'', which is why you can't enter the castle anymore (if you did, you should see cards instead of your command deck - and this is justified by the fact that when Aqua and Ventus entered the castle once more, it was only during a cutscene which has no interface, hiding the cards "[[PersonAsVerb à la]] [[{{Halo}} Master-Chief-and-his-helmet]]")]]. The fact you [[spoiler: fought him]] was because [[spoiler: he didn't want any witnesses (he was probably going to leave that world with a corridor of darkness), and he used those blades instead of the cards either just to show off what he could ''[[ThatOneBoss really]]'' do, or because he wanted to ''use his actual power over time''.]] Now, [[spoiler: Luxord]] averted being a CreatorsPet because despite [[WordOfGod Nomura explicitly saying]] he's his favourite [[spoiler: Organization XIII member]], he had very little screentime; but after this WallOfText, the character is going to play the trope a lot more straight given that, if my theory will eventually be proven right, Tetsuya Nomura has much bigger plans for his beloved character.

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** Resulting theory: [[spoiler: Luxord used his power to travel back in '''time''' because ''he was the one'' who '''implemented the card system''' in the Land Of Departure ''before it was turned into Castle Oblivion'', which is why you can't enter the castle anymore (if you did, you should see cards instead of your command deck - and this is justified by the fact that when Aqua and Ventus entered the castle once more, it was only during a cutscene which has no interface, hiding the cards "[[PersonAsVerb à la]] [[{{Halo}} [[Franchise/{{Halo}} Master-Chief-and-his-helmet]]")]]. The fact you [[spoiler: fought him]] was because [[spoiler: he didn't want any witnesses (he was probably going to leave that world with a corridor of darkness), and he used those blades instead of the cards either just to show off what he could ''[[ThatOneBoss really]]'' do, or because he wanted to ''use his actual power over time''.]] Now, [[spoiler: Luxord]] averted being a CreatorsPet because despite [[WordOfGod Nomura explicitly saying]] he's his favourite [[spoiler: Organization XIII member]], he had very little screentime; but after this WallOfText, the character is going to play the trope a lot more straight given that, if my theory will eventually be proven right, Tetsuya Nomura has much bigger plans for his beloved character.
24th Dec '14 7:31:17 AM DarkElfPrincess
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[[WMG: Olette, Hayner, and Pence are really Jesse, Biggs, and Wedge from ''FinalFantasyVII'']]

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[[WMG: Olette, Hayner, and Pence are really Jesse, Biggs, and Wedge from ''FinalFantasyVII'']]''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'']]
1st Aug '14 7:20:14 PM Quanyails
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* This is helped hugely if you take into account that once Roxas starts recovering his original dispostion, he is suggested to be cold-hearted and violent (look at how he reacted to Sora and [=DiZ=] once his real persona reasserted itself), and the fact he was best buddies with Axel. Axel, who prior to his CharacterDerailment into a primarily harmless LoveableTraitor was a genuinely sinister murderous sociopath that took immense glee in killing his own kind and was an emotional sadist second only to Larxene. The fact that Axel "liked" Roxas indicates he was probably a pretty nasty individual. I suspect 358/2 days will stick with the sympathetic interpretations of Axel and Roxas, but I find it more interesting to think of them as actually villainous due to their willing association with the likes of Xemnas rather than "misunderstood".

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* This is helped hugely if you take into account that once Roxas starts recovering his original dispostion, he is suggested to be cold-hearted and violent (look at how he reacted to Sora and [=DiZ=] once his real persona reasserted itself), and the fact he was best buddies with Axel. Axel, who prior to his CharacterDerailment into a primarily harmless LoveableTraitor LovableTraitor was a genuinely sinister murderous sociopath that took immense glee in killing his own kind and was an emotional sadist second only to Larxene. The fact that Axel "liked" Roxas indicates he was probably a pretty nasty individual. I suspect 358/2 days will stick with the sympathetic interpretations of Axel and Roxas, but I find it more interesting to think of them as actually villainous due to their willing association with the likes of Xemnas rather than "misunderstood".
25th Jul '13 11:30:36 AM IsaacG
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Most of the characters you see are at roughly the same life stage as they are in the game (the biggest change for a non-Destiny Island character is probably Squall, and he goes from late teens to early twenties). YRP, or the Gullwings, are roughly the same age as they were in X-2, or slightly younger as would befit the time difference, Auron is... well, hard to tell, but since Hades has him he'd probably died and been sent by then [spoiler: or at least been sent], so that works out as X-2 being around the time of KH2. If it was just Tidus, it might work out as Tidus' own heart, growing separately from his body ([spoiler: If you've played X, you know why]), but that leaves no explanation for Selphie and Wakka. If X and X-2 are actually ''after'' the KH series, lent credit by [spoiler: the KH2 Auron is pre-FFX guess above] and the "gullwingification" is a result of time travel or being fakes based on the future YRP, Selphie ''still'' has no explanation, especially with Squall being 25. The only real justification for this is if the entirety of Destiny Island is revealed as a false world in the vein of the digital Twilight Town, only someone managed to make an entire world. This also explains why Desitiny Island was out on its own, while all the other worlds in KH1 (aside from The End Of The World) were still in the cycles.

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Most of the characters you see are at roughly the same life stage as they are in the game (the biggest change for a non-Destiny Island character is probably Squall, and he goes from late teens to early twenties). YRP, or the Gullwings, are roughly the same age as they were in X-2, or slightly younger as would befit the time difference, Auron is... well, hard to tell, but since Hades has him he'd probably died and been sent by then [spoiler: or at least been sent], so that works out as X-2 being around the time of KH2.[=KH2=]. If it was just Tidus, it might work out as Tidus' own heart, growing separately from his body ([spoiler: If you've played X, you know why]), but that leaves no explanation for Selphie and Wakka. If X and X-2 are actually ''after'' the KH series, lent credit by [spoiler: the KH2 [=KH2=] Auron is pre-FFX guess above] and the "gullwingification" is a result of time travel or being fakes based on the future YRP, Selphie ''still'' has no explanation, especially with Squall being 25. The only real justification for this is if the entirety of Destiny Island is revealed as a false world in the vein of the digital Twilight Town, only someone managed to make an entire world. This also explains why Desitiny Island was out on its own, while all the other worlds in KH1 (aside from The End Of The World) were still in the cycles.
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