History WMG / KingdomHeartsJossed

1st Jun '15 10:07:35 AM phoenix
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[[WMG: The Mysterious Figure in ''BirthBySleep'' is [[spoiler: Ansem the Wise]]]]

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[[WMG: The Mysterious Figure in ''BirthBySleep'' ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'' is [[spoiler: Ansem the Wise]]]]



** If they do rescue [[spoiler: Aqua]] partway through, there would also be worlds ''she'' went to (which are, presumably, more than just [[spoiler: the worlds from BirthBySleep]]), and much the same goes for getting in touch with [[spoiler: Ventus's heart]]...

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** If they do rescue [[spoiler: Aqua]] partway through, there would also be worlds ''she'' went to (which are, presumably, more than just [[spoiler: the worlds from BirthBySleep]]), ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'']]), and much the same goes for getting in touch with [[spoiler: Ventus's heart]]...



[[WMG: The Mysterious Figure in ''BirthBySleep'' is "Venitas"' Nobody.]]

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[[WMG: The Mysterious Figure in ''BirthBySleep'' ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'' is "Venitas"' Nobody.]]
16th May '15 4:26:25 PM nombretomado
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** Resulting theory: [[spoiler: Luxord used his power to travel back in '''time''' because ''he was the one'' who '''implemented the card system''' in the Land Of Departure ''before it was turned into Castle Oblivion'', which is why you can't enter the castle anymore (if you did, you should see cards instead of your command deck - and this is justified by the fact that when Aqua and Ventus entered the castle once more, it was only during a cutscene which has no interface, hiding the cards "[[PersonAsVerb à la]] [[{{Halo}} Master-Chief-and-his-helmet]]")]]. The fact you [[spoiler: fought him]] was because [[spoiler: he didn't want any witnesses (he was probably going to leave that world with a corridor of darkness), and he used those blades instead of the cards either just to show off what he could ''[[ThatOneBoss really]]'' do, or because he wanted to ''use his actual power over time''.]] Now, [[spoiler: Luxord]] averted being a CreatorsPet because despite [[WordOfGod Nomura explicitly saying]] he's his favourite [[spoiler: Organization XIII member]], he had very little screentime; but after this WallOfText, the character is going to play the trope a lot more straight given that, if my theory will eventually be proven right, Tetsuya Nomura has much bigger plans for his beloved character.

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** Resulting theory: [[spoiler: Luxord used his power to travel back in '''time''' because ''he was the one'' who '''implemented the card system''' in the Land Of Departure ''before it was turned into Castle Oblivion'', which is why you can't enter the castle anymore (if you did, you should see cards instead of your command deck - and this is justified by the fact that when Aqua and Ventus entered the castle once more, it was only during a cutscene which has no interface, hiding the cards "[[PersonAsVerb à la]] [[{{Halo}} [[Franchise/{{Halo}} Master-Chief-and-his-helmet]]")]]. The fact you [[spoiler: fought him]] was because [[spoiler: he didn't want any witnesses (he was probably going to leave that world with a corridor of darkness), and he used those blades instead of the cards either just to show off what he could ''[[ThatOneBoss really]]'' do, or because he wanted to ''use his actual power over time''.]] Now, [[spoiler: Luxord]] averted being a CreatorsPet because despite [[WordOfGod Nomura explicitly saying]] he's his favourite [[spoiler: Organization XIII member]], he had very little screentime; but after this WallOfText, the character is going to play the trope a lot more straight given that, if my theory will eventually be proven right, Tetsuya Nomura has much bigger plans for his beloved character.
24th Dec '14 7:31:17 AM DarkElfPrincess
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[[WMG: Olette, Hayner, and Pence are really Jesse, Biggs, and Wedge from ''FinalFantasyVII'']]

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[[WMG: Olette, Hayner, and Pence are really Jesse, Biggs, and Wedge from ''FinalFantasyVII'']]''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'']]
1st Aug '14 7:20:14 PM Quanyails
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* This is helped hugely if you take into account that once Roxas starts recovering his original dispostion, he is suggested to be cold-hearted and violent (look at how he reacted to Sora and [=DiZ=] once his real persona reasserted itself), and the fact he was best buddies with Axel. Axel, who prior to his CharacterDerailment into a primarily harmless LoveableTraitor was a genuinely sinister murderous sociopath that took immense glee in killing his own kind and was an emotional sadist second only to Larxene. The fact that Axel "liked" Roxas indicates he was probably a pretty nasty individual. I suspect 358/2 days will stick with the sympathetic interpretations of Axel and Roxas, but I find it more interesting to think of them as actually villainous due to their willing association with the likes of Xemnas rather than "misunderstood".

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* This is helped hugely if you take into account that once Roxas starts recovering his original dispostion, he is suggested to be cold-hearted and violent (look at how he reacted to Sora and [=DiZ=] once his real persona reasserted itself), and the fact he was best buddies with Axel. Axel, who prior to his CharacterDerailment into a primarily harmless LoveableTraitor LovableTraitor was a genuinely sinister murderous sociopath that took immense glee in killing his own kind and was an emotional sadist second only to Larxene. The fact that Axel "liked" Roxas indicates he was probably a pretty nasty individual. I suspect 358/2 days will stick with the sympathetic interpretations of Axel and Roxas, but I find it more interesting to think of them as actually villainous due to their willing association with the likes of Xemnas rather than "misunderstood".
25th Jul '13 11:30:36 AM IsaacG
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Most of the characters you see are at roughly the same life stage as they are in the game (the biggest change for a non-Destiny Island character is probably Squall, and he goes from late teens to early twenties). YRP, or the Gullwings, are roughly the same age as they were in X-2, or slightly younger as would befit the time difference, Auron is... well, hard to tell, but since Hades has him he'd probably died and been sent by then [spoiler: or at least been sent], so that works out as X-2 being around the time of KH2. If it was just Tidus, it might work out as Tidus' own heart, growing separately from his body ([spoiler: If you've played X, you know why]), but that leaves no explanation for Selphie and Wakka. If X and X-2 are actually ''after'' the KH series, lent credit by [spoiler: the KH2 Auron is pre-FFX guess above] and the "gullwingification" is a result of time travel or being fakes based on the future YRP, Selphie ''still'' has no explanation, especially with Squall being 25. The only real justification for this is if the entirety of Destiny Island is revealed as a false world in the vein of the digital Twilight Town, only someone managed to make an entire world. This also explains why Desitiny Island was out on its own, while all the other worlds in KH1 (aside from The End Of The World) were still in the cycles.

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Most of the characters you see are at roughly the same life stage as they are in the game (the biggest change for a non-Destiny Island character is probably Squall, and he goes from late teens to early twenties). YRP, or the Gullwings, are roughly the same age as they were in X-2, or slightly younger as would befit the time difference, Auron is... well, hard to tell, but since Hades has him he'd probably died and been sent by then [spoiler: or at least been sent], so that works out as X-2 being around the time of KH2.[=KH2=]. If it was just Tidus, it might work out as Tidus' own heart, growing separately from his body ([spoiler: If you've played X, you know why]), but that leaves no explanation for Selphie and Wakka. If X and X-2 are actually ''after'' the KH series, lent credit by [spoiler: the KH2 [=KH2=] Auron is pre-FFX guess above] and the "gullwingification" is a result of time travel or being fakes based on the future YRP, Selphie ''still'' has no explanation, especially with Squall being 25. The only real justification for this is if the entirety of Destiny Island is revealed as a false world in the vein of the digital Twilight Town, only someone managed to make an entire world. This also explains why Desitiny Island was out on its own, while all the other worlds in KH1 (aside from The End Of The World) were still in the cycles.
15th Jun '13 5:44:57 AM SeptimusHeap
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* [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rwUdL9qXjk I have combined one each of the universe's most evil beings to make the most evil creature of them all!]] [[spoiler:[[KarmicTwistEnding It turns out]] [[Main/HumansAreBastards it's man.]]]]

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* [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rwUdL9qXjk I have combined one each of the universe's most evil beings to make the most evil creature of them all!]] [[spoiler:[[KarmicTwistEnding It turns out]] [[Main/HumansAreBastards [[Main/HumansAreTheRealMonsters it's man.]]]]
28th May '13 10:49:03 AM TVRulezAgain
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[[WMG:[[TheLionKing Scar]]'s heart is extraordinarily powerful]]

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[[WMG:[[TheLionKing [[WMG:[[Disney/TheLionKing Scar]]'s heart is extraordinarily powerful]]
7th Mar '13 7:40:08 AM ThePope
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* I don't know what the rules in this universe are; but if it's at all like [[FullMetalAlchemist Dante in the anime]], he's rapidly aging or decaying...or his heart is decaying. Come on, old classmates? Xehanort's old enough to be Eraqus's ''father'', let alone classmate! (And no, it's not the white hair. Xemnas looks youthful despite having white hair; Xehanort looks like he's in his 60s.)

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* I don't know what the rules in this universe are; but if it's at all like [[FullMetalAlchemist Dante in the anime]], [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist Dante]], he's rapidly aging or decaying...or his heart is decaying. Come on, old classmates? Xehanort's old enough to be Eraqus's ''father'', let alone classmate! (And no, it's not the white hair. Xemnas looks youthful despite having white hair; Xehanort looks like he's in his 60s.)
28th Jan '13 2:01:49 PM MorningStar1337
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[[WMG: If and when you battle Frollo, the battle theme will be a mix of "Destati" and "Hellfire."]]
There are similarities between the songs. Plus, both are generally accepted to be CrowningMusicOfAwesome.
* {{Jossed}}

[[WMG: Hellfire will find its way into the game.]]
It is just that awesome. Plus, some [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H5zOJnxBHc fan made musics]] are already posted on Youtube!
* {{Jossed}}

[[WMG: The Mark of Mastery exam will act as a tutorial.]]
Since the Mark of Mastery was such a small part of ''Birth By Sleep'' gameplay-wise, and you can't really stretch it to fill an entire game's plot, it will only act as a tutorial device, like the Dives to the Heart in games 1 and 2, before kicking off the main plot.
* '''Jossed'''; the whole plot covers the exam.
3rd Jan '13 6:37:08 AM Sephiroth0812
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*** It is jossed because the whole premise is flawed. Ven isn't Xehanort who goes around stealing other people's names. Blank Points and [[spoiler:Dream Drop Distance]] DO say that Sora is going to save everybody, meaning BOTH Roxas and Ventus. Roxas only LOOKS like Ven but he isn't him. They're both two completely different individuals and not the same entity, [[spoiler:they even appear independently from each other twice within DDD]].
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