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* While that could be true, the heartless could also be born from the darkness in Hernan Cortez (and also the rest of the Conquistators) as well, since they were the ones that used the Cursed Aztec Gold before Barbossa got it's hands on it.
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Barbossa is pre-resurrection in the game, so he hasn't had his "redemptive" arc, he had just been murdered after spending years as a cursed pirate, as shown by Scar in the Pride Lands, death doesn't stop you from becoming a Heartless, it also explains how it seems to be tailor made to use the curse, whereas Sora and Co aren't affected at all, because it is Barbossa's heartless, it is native to Port Royal and therefor under it's magics "rules"
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Barbossa is pre-resurrection in the game, so he hasn't had his "redemptive" arc, he had just been murdered after spending years as a cursed pirate, as shown by Scar in the Pride Lands, death doesn't stop you from becoming a Heartless, it also explains how it seems to be tailor made to use the curse, whereas Sora and Co aren't affected at all, because it is Barbossa's heartless, it is native to Port Royal and therefor under it's magics "rules""rules"
[[WMG: The Oogie Boogie that Maleficent ressurected was actually his nobody.]]
According to Maleficent, when she thoguht of incluying Oogie back to her plans, he was acting far more "weirder" than usual. It's makes me think that after the events of 1, when Manor Oogie was defeated, it's managed to somehow keep it self together to bring out a heartless of Oogie standalaone: His Shadow. (as in Oogie's Revenge, his shadow has some sappience apart of being able to join the festivities), so what remains of Oogie after he was ressurected was a Replica-like being made of burlag bag, yet he still lacked something, like his other half (that being his shadow). Soo while Sora and Co. manages to defeat his "body", the remaining darkness is still out there in Halloween Town, probably waiting it's time to shine (or make thing darker) since, now as a being of darkness, he could have another shot at controlling the heartless.
[[WMG: The Oogie Boogie that Maleficent ressurected was actually his nobody.]]
According to Maleficent, when she thoguht of incluying Oogie back to her plans, he was acting far more "weirder" than usual. It's makes me think that after the events of 1, when Manor Oogie was defeated, it's managed to somehow keep it self together to bring out a heartless of Oogie standalaone: His Shadow. (as in Oogie's Revenge, his shadow has some sappience apart of being able to join the festivities), so what remains of Oogie after he was ressurected was a Replica-like being made of burlag bag, yet he still lacked something, like his other half (that being his shadow). Soo while Sora and Co. manages to defeat his "body", the remaining darkness is still out there in Halloween Town, probably waiting it's time to shine (or make thing darker) since, now as a being of darkness, he could have another shot at controlling the heartless.
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* [[RelationshipWritingFumble Yes, I'm talking about THAT scene.]]You see, Sora, having a fairly large crush on Kairi, always imagined the two of them together, but when he's actually with Kairi, he CanNotSpitItOut. Boys, how many times have you approached the gal of your dreams only to act like a total idiot and either fumble with words, or act completely uninterested? So he does the only thing he can think of without looking stupid; just hug her back.
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* [[RelationshipWritingFumble [[PlatonicWritingRomanticReading Yes, I'm talking about THAT scene.]]You see, Sora, having a fairly large crush on Kairi, always imagined the two of them together, but when he's actually with Kairi, he CanNotSpitItOut. Boys, how many times have you approached the gal of your dreams only to act like a total idiot and either fumble with words, or act completely uninterested? So he does the only thing he can think of without looking stupid; just hug her back.
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** I actually want to posit Illuminator or some other light-based Heartless we haven't seen yet- Luxord is quite closely tied to light, between his name, his supposed past [[spoiler: as a Keyblade weilder, something his name again refers to in two ways]], his friendship with Roxas, and several other points.
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** I actually want to posit Illuminator or some other light-based Heartless we haven't seen yet- Luxord is quite closely tied to light, between his name, his supposed past [[spoiler: as a Keyblade weilder, something his name again refers to in two ways]], his friendship with Roxas, and several other points. His Heartless may be one we have not yet seen, who uses light in some capacity, as well as a blade. This fits with Luxord's name- "lux" meaning "light", and his whole name sounding like "lux sword" (ie, light sword). Plus, the way his name is said makes it sound like the first part is "luke", a name which ''means light''.
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** I actually want to posit Illuminator or some other light-based Heartless we haven't seen yet- Luxord is quite closely tied to light, between his name, his supposed past [[spoiler: as a Keyblade weilder, something his name again refers to in two ways]], his friendship with Roxas, and several other points.
** Leechgrave definitely seems to fit his Nobody's motif to a T.
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** It's possible we haven't seen them yet, too- there is plenty of time for games centred around the past. It's also possible Demyx, Luxord, Marluxia, and Larxene's Heartless were defeated in BBS, as we do not know when they became Nobodies. It might be fun to see that yes, some of the Organization's Nobodies were defeated by Sora or Roxas, but some were defeated by Riku or the King, or even someone else.
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The reason I suggest this is how similar Shan-Yu's boss fight is to Scar's in concept. Both have fairly normal fights for a warlord and a lion, but are able to use dark powers to perform feats impossible for their normal selves. Furthermore, the aura that flashes around Shan-Yu before his boss fight is very similar to the one flashed by Scar right before he dies as a Heartless, indicating some sort of connection. The only reason we don't know more is because Pete never went to the Land of Dragons, while he was at the Pride Lands to confirm Scar's transformation.
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The reason I suggest this is how similar Shan-Yu's boss fight is to Scar's in concept. Both have fairly normal fights for a warlord and a lion, but are able to use dark powers to perform feats impossible for their normal selves. Furthermore, the aura that flashes around Shan-Yu before his boss fight is very similar to the one flashed by Scar right before he dies as a Heartless, indicating some sort of connection. The only reason we don't know more is because Pete never went to the Land of Dragons, while he was at the Pride Lands to confirm Scar's transformation.transformation.
[[WMG: The Grim Reaper Heartless in Port Royal is Barbossas.]]
Barbossa is pre-resurrection in the game, so he hasn't had his "redemptive" arc, he had just been murdered after spending years as a cursed pirate, as shown by Scar in the Pride Lands, death doesn't stop you from becoming a Heartless, it also explains how it seems to be tailor made to use the curse, whereas Sora and Co aren't affected at all, because it is Barbossa's heartless, it is native to Port Royal and therefor under it's magics "rules"
[[WMG: The Grim Reaper Heartless in Port Royal is Barbossas.]]
Barbossa is pre-resurrection in the game, so he hasn't had his "redemptive" arc, he had just been murdered after spending years as a cursed pirate, as shown by Scar in the Pride Lands, death doesn't stop you from becoming a Heartless, it also explains how it seems to be tailor made to use the curse, whereas Sora and Co aren't affected at all, because it is Barbossa's heartless, it is native to Port Royal and therefor under it's magics "rules"
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* Okay, so VideoGame/KingdomHeartsDreamDropDistance reveals [[spoiler: Nobodies can grow hearts.]] By defeating Twilight Thorn, Roxas was [[spoiler: completing the heart growing inside of him by destroying his last connection to being a Nobody.]]
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* Okay, so VideoGame/KingdomHeartsDreamDropDistance VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance reveals [[spoiler: Nobodies can grow hearts.]] By defeating Twilight Thorn, Roxas was [[spoiler: completing the heart growing inside of him by destroying his last connection to being a Nobody.]]
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** Can't be the Storm Rider; it's explicitly stated to be the Heartless of one of China's guardian dragons.
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Seifer and the gang are strangely aggressive towards the Dusks that attack on Day 3 and apparently even defeat them when Roxas passes out, while in the real world the group is laid flat by some Dusks that attack later in the game. Then, during the Struggle tournament, the announcer notes that Seifer is in a sour mood from having to fight Vivi, who is actually a disguised Dusk, and after he loses he drops out of the tournament entirely and ominously notes that "that's not Vivi" to Roxas before leaving.
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Seifer and the gang are strangely aggressive towards the Dusks that attack on Day 3 and apparently even defeat them when Roxas passes out, while in the real world the group is laid flat by some Dusks that attack later in the game. Then, during the Struggle tournament, the announcer notes that Seifer is in a sour mood from having to fight Vivi, who is actually a disguised Dusk, and after he loses he drops out of the tournament entirely and ominously notes that "that's not Vivi" to Roxas before leaving.leaving.
[[WMG: Unlike the movie, Shan-Yu really did die in the avalanche. The guy you fight is his Heartless a la Scar.]]
The reason I suggest this is how similar Shan-Yu's boss fight is to Scar's in concept. Both have fairly normal fights for a warlord and a lion, but are able to use dark powers to perform feats impossible for their normal selves. Furthermore, the aura that flashes around Shan-Yu before his boss fight is very similar to the one flashed by Scar right before he dies as a Heartless, indicating some sort of connection. The only reason we don't know more is because Pete never went to the Land of Dragons, while he was at the Pride Lands to confirm Scar's transformation.
[[WMG: Unlike the movie, Shan-Yu really did die in the avalanche. The guy you fight is his Heartless a la Scar.]]
The reason I suggest this is how similar Shan-Yu's boss fight is to Scar's in concept. Both have fairly normal fights for a warlord and a lion, but are able to use dark powers to perform feats impossible for their normal selves. Furthermore, the aura that flashes around Shan-Yu before his boss fight is very similar to the one flashed by Scar right before he dies as a Heartless, indicating some sort of connection. The only reason we don't know more is because Pete never went to the Land of Dragons, while he was at the Pride Lands to confirm Scar's transformation.
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The plot would have dealt with him slowly learning over the course of the game that [[LateArrivalSpoiler he was Sora's Nobody]], all while also finding about his role in the organization, and eventually attempting to take them down. This is why the ProlongedPrologue takes so long. A lot of hold overs from that were worked into the opening that made it into the game. Why Roxas was eventually replaced with Sora could be for a variety of reasons. They couldn't figure out how to get Donald and Goofy to travel with him, especially after the events of ''Chain of Memories'', and naturally a lot more people would have likely preferred to have played as Sora, even if he wasn't advertised as being playable in the game.
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The plot would have dealt with him slowly learning over the course of the game that [[LateArrivalSpoiler he was Sora's Nobody]], all while also finding about his role in the organization, and eventually attempting to take them down. This is why the ProlongedPrologue takes so long. A lot of hold overs from that were worked into the opening that made it into the game. Why Roxas was eventually replaced with Sora could be for a variety of reasons. They couldn't figure out how to get Donald and Goofy to travel with him, especially after the events of ''Chain of Memories'', and naturally a lot more people would have likely preferred to have played as Sora, even if he wasn't advertised as being playable in the game.game.
[[WMG: Seifer and the Disciplinary Committee are essentially anti-virus/malware in the data Twilight Town.]]
Seifer and the gang are strangely aggressive towards the Dusks that attack on Day 3 and apparently even defeat them when Roxas passes out, while in the real world the group is laid flat by some Dusks that attack later in the game. Then, during the Struggle tournament, the announcer notes that Seifer is in a sour mood from having to fight Vivi, who is actually a disguised Dusk, and after he loses he drops out of the tournament entirely and ominously notes that "that's not Vivi" to Roxas before leaving.
[[WMG: Seifer and the Disciplinary Committee are essentially anti-virus/malware in the data Twilight Town.]]
Seifer and the gang are strangely aggressive towards the Dusks that attack on Day 3 and apparently even defeat them when Roxas passes out, while in the real world the group is laid flat by some Dusks that attack later in the game. Then, during the Struggle tournament, the announcer notes that Seifer is in a sour mood from having to fight Vivi, who is actually a disguised Dusk, and after he loses he drops out of the tournament entirely and ominously notes that "that's not Vivi" to Roxas before leaving.
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Unless Square Enix decides to include Atlantica in VideoGame/KingdomHeartsIII for some reason and it explicitly references its appearance in this game, it's pretty easy to declare FanonDiscontinuity due not only to the fact that it's completely optional from a gameplay standpoint (completing it is only necessary for getting all of the [[InfinityPlusOneSword Ultima Weapon's]] rare synthesis items and unlocking the [[SequelHook secret ending]]) but all of its [[SeriesContinuityError extremely noticeable continuity errors]] that blatantly contradict with its appearance in [[VideoGame/KingdomHearts1 the first game]] (Ursula being BackFromTheDead with '''no explaination whatsoever''' being the most notorious offender). It's actually quite possible that Square Enix doesn't consider it canon either because everything about Atlantica's appearance in this game seems to suggest that they only put it in because they could...
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Unless Square Enix decides to include Atlantica in VideoGame/KingdomHeartsIII for some reason and it explicitly references its appearance in this game, it's pretty easy to declare FanonDiscontinuity due not only to the fact that it's completely optional from a gameplay standpoint (completing it is only necessary for getting all of the [[InfinityPlusOneSword Ultima Weapon's]] rare synthesis items and unlocking the [[SequelHook secret ending]]) but all of its [[SeriesContinuityError extremely noticeable continuity errors]] that blatantly contradict with its appearance in [[VideoGame/KingdomHearts1 [[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsI the first game]] (Ursula being BackFromTheDead with '''no explaination whatsoever''' being the most notorious offender). It's actually quite possible that Square Enix doesn't consider it canon either because everything about Atlantica's appearance in this game seems to suggest that they only put it in because they could...
