History WMG / KillBill

[[WMG: Bill is actually a time-warped, evil version of [[Series/KungFu Kwai Chang Caine from Kung Fu]].]]

* Given David Carradine's ActorExistenceFailure, it would be an accomplishment to bring him back if a sequel happens.

** Considering that there are multiple characters played by the same actors in both ''Kill Bill'' films (i.e. Michael Parks playing both Earl [=McGraw=] and Esteban Vihaio, and Gordon Liu playing both Johnny Mo, the leader of the Crazy 88, and Pai Mei), it's not too far of a stretch to assume that Alex and O-Ren both exist and never meet each other as circumstances never had them cross paths, and characters never acknowledging the resemblance. In fact, maybe part of the reason why Boss Tanaka insults O-Ren may be due to the fact she bares a passing resemblance to one of the private investigators who lead to his brother's capture.

** Considering that there are multiple characters played by the same actors in both ''Kill Bill'' films (i.e. Michael Parks playing both Earl [=McGraw=] and Esteban Vihaio, and Gordon Liu playing both Johnny Mo, the leader of the Crazy 88, and Pai Mei), it's not too far of a stretch to assume that Alex and O-Ren both exist and never meet each other as circumstances never had them cross paths, and characters never acknowledging the resemblance. In fact, maybe part of the reason why Boss Tanaka insults O-Ren may be due to the fact she bares a passing resemblance one of the private investigators who lead to his brother's capture.

** Considering that there are multiple characters played by the same actors in both ''Kill Bill'' films (i.e. Michael Parks playing both Earl McGraw and Esteban Vihaio, and Gordon Liu playing both Johnny Mo, the leader of the Crazy 88, and Pai Mei), it's not too far of a stretch to assume that Alex and O-Ren both exist and never meet each other as circumstances never had them cross paths, and characters never acknowledging the resemblance. In fact, maybe part of the reason why Boss Tanaka insults O-Ren may be due to the fact she bares a passing resemblance one of the private investigators who lead to his brother's capture.

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This is why his Superman monolouge is incorrect. He tells her that Clark Kent is a mask and that Superman is who he is, just as she really is a killer. Its actually the opposite Superman is his job, he’s just as much Clark Kent of Smallville as he is Kal-El of Krypton if not more so. This mischaracterization of Superman was intentional to show that he really doesn't understand her at all.

* Playing piano at a church would be fitting job for the [[HeelFaithTurn newly religious Jules.]]

** In fact he said he'd walk the earth "You know, like Caine in Kung Fu" and ends up being killed in a massacre committed by...[[FridgeBrilliance Caine, from Kung Fu.]]

* Rufus was none other but [[Film/SnakesOnAPlane FBI Agent Neville Flynn]]. Both films feature serpents... of a sort. Clearly his infiltration of a ceremony featuring a suspected assassin was one of his earlier missions. He didn't die, either. Blood packs.
* I came to this page looking for this. I came to the same conclusion (about Jules being Rufus) and I'm pleased to see i'm not the only one!

* I think he's still alive. As for "God put him right where he wanted him." his death was a punishment for what he did as a hitman, but he gets to go to Heaven.

* There will be a hilarious scene where Elle and Sofie team up...and try to drive a car.

We learn a lot more about her than about the Bride. She has a tragic backstory, a strong personnality, a bunch of characters bound to her by a relationship that begged to be developed - even the mooks : they're mooks, but still she laughs with them and doesn't look down on them, and they're ready to die for her... In fact, the Bride was only supposed to fight O-Ren after having destroyed most of what she had built as the Queen of the Yakuzas, then be killed, leaving our half-Japanese swordswoman distraught at the end of Volume One. She then would have left her "job" in Volume Two and tried to find the other members of the Deadly Vipers looking for explanations on what they had done, the purpose of these murders, the story of the bride and so on. Eventually she would have discovered that Bill was, as explained above, the white-suited man who killed her father. Realizing she has been fooled into serving the man who had destroyed her life, carrying both her need for revenge and the Bride's memory, she would have become the Atoner and taken her revenge against Bill in a climactic fight, hence the title.

** That sequel would be amazing.

** Considering there were two gunshots and a lot of screaming during their talk, it makes a lot of sense that she would've woken up.

** Much as we would like that theory to be correct, it is simply far too unreasonable to assume that Pai Mei - the man known to turn people into a red mist for so much as thinking about him wrong and who has previously ''plucked out Elle's own eye for giving him sass'', would actually allow her to go after attempting to murder him. If he was in any shape to do anything whatsoever at any point during the process, there wouldn't have been enough left of Elle to fit in a rice bowl.

[[DeathByOriginStory after her mother's death.]]

He's called "Snakecharmer". It's confirmed, straight up, that he had a relationship with the Bride, hell, he got her preggo. It's all but confirmed through his dialogue with Elle in the hospital, what with him telling her how much he loves her. We've never seen him interact with O-Ren or Vernita, why is it such a stretch to believe that he had similar relationships with them?There's actually a fairly prevelant fan theory that Vernita was pregnant with his baby during the wedding massacre because of how close BB and Nikki are in age...

** Unlikely. Creator/DavidCarradine (born 1936) was 66 or 67 at the time of filming ''Film/KillBill'', which would make him 9 in 1945. Creator/MichaelMadsen was born in 1958, making him 22 years younger than his on-screen "brother." Either the boys are MUCH OlderThanTheyLook, or this WMG would also make them time lords.

** Given David Carradine's ActorExistenceFailure , it would be an accomplishment to bring him back if a sequel happens.
** This is [[{{Foreshadowing}} foreshadowed]] by the earlier scene where they're playing Cops and Robbers and Beatrix pretends to die. It's just a game all over again.
** If you watch Bill, he actually takes 6 steps, instead of 5 before dropping. so supported by mistake?

** Interesting theory, although the actress who played the original Nikki is 21 as of 2016, and the actress who played B.B. turns 19 this year, so they're definitely old enough to play their vengeful characters as adults.

This theory is especially wild, because of the drastic GenreShift from action movie to...spy drama? Yeah, spy drama seems to be the best fit here, what with the assassination mission and the emotional conflict.

* in the continuity that Tarantino's other movies (''Film/PulpFiction'', ''Film/ReservoirDogs'', ''Film/TrueRomance'', ''Film/InglouriousBasterds'', etc.) take place in; possibly even a movie that [[Film/PulpFiction Mia Wallace]] made during her time as an actress.

[[WMG: O-Ren has a natural fear of Hanzo swords.]]

It fits the facts as we know them. We know that Budd has a grudge against his brother for an unknown reason. We know he hates Elle and the feeling is mutual. We can guess Bill and Elle got together sometime between Bea's disappearance and the massacre... seeing as she's cooing to him that she loves him over the phone in the hospital. It's not a stretch to imagine that Elle might have been with Budd but left him for Bill when the wealthier classier brother became single again

This is why his Superman monolouge is incorrect. He tells her that Clark Kent is a mask and that Superman is who he is, just as she really is a killer. Its actually the opposite Superman is his job, he’s just as much Clark Kent of Smallville as he is Kal-el of Krypton if not more so. This mischaracterization of Superman was intentional to show that he really doesn't understand her at all.

[[WMG: Bill orchestrated most of O-ren's life as a brilliant power-play.]]
Bill was a higher-up in the organization of the Yakuza who ordered the deaths of O-ren's parents. He heard her "whim-per" in the room and stayed behind to collect her after setting the place ablaze, while the rest of the crew returned to the hangout. Children who witness their parent's deaths seem to grow up to be murderers in this universe (see Beatrix Kiddo's automatic assumption about what Nikita Green will do when she's older), so Bill decided to put this particular killer-to-be to work for him. He trained her to become an assassin, made sure she became one of the girls on the pedophile crimelord's list, and then smuggled her out, earning her loyalty. In the wake of his death, Bill seized control of the gang's resources and finances, then dissolved the group, leaving a huge power vacuum in the Japanese underworld and him with enough funding to start a lucrative assassination cartel: The Deadly Viper Assassination Squad.
By playing one gang off another and killing key power figures in each faction, Bill ensures that the Japanese underworld will remain locked in bloody conflict for the next decade. He expands the his borders of operations around the globe, working other projects and jobs, but makes sure to keep Japan destabilized. Ten years later, when all of the Yakuza factions are weak, desperate and divided due to years of strife, he uses his influence and wealth to back the bloody rise of O-ren Ishii to head of the Yakuza and begin restoring the organization to glory. In a few years, one of the most powerful crime syndicate's in the world and the entire country its based in answer to a woman who holds him in utmost respect.

** Given his age, Bill is probably more familiar with the pre-Crisis iteration of Superman where Clark Kent is indeed the disguise.

** This is [[Foreshadowing foreshadowed]] by the earlier scene where they're playing Cops and Robbers and Beatrix pretends to die. It's just a game all over again.

** Also why he made a point to explain that Daddy hurt Mommy before the final fight, so she would understand that Daddy had it coming

* A first hind comes from Budd. Upon hearing about all this, he remarks that it is typical for the Japanese to never forget a grudge they bear against someone. Bill and Hanzo indeed seem to have had [[ItsPersonal a personal conflict]] back in the old days.

* Tarantino originally wanted Creator/ChiakiKuriyama (Gogo) and Kou Shibasaki (Yuki) as sisters (Chigusa and Mitsuko from Battle Royale respectively). Due to conflicting schedules, Kou Shibasaki was unavailable so Tarantino changed it to twins before scrapping thr idea altogether. (I would love to see Shibasaki in the sequel however)

* Alternate reality, nothin'. Bill is the original Kwai Chang Caine. What can I say, that many years can change a man...and God knows what horrors Pai Mei put him through before deeming him worthy of the secret to eternal life.

[[WMG: Bill doesnt know the Bride at all.]]

This is why his Superman monolouge is incorrect. He tells her that Clark Kent is a mask and that Superman is who he is, just as she really is a killer. Its actually the opposite Superman is his job, he’s just as much Clark Kent of Smallville as he is Kal-el of Krypton if not more so. This mischaracterization of Superman was intentional to show that he really doesnt understand her at all.

* Him being surpised at Pai Mei having taught her the 5 point palm exploding heart technique more or less reinforces how little he really knows her. If he did he shouldnt have been surprised.