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1'''As a Wild Mass Guessing subpage, all spoilers are unmarked [[Administrivia/SpoilersOff as per policy.]] Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned.'''
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3[[WMG: Bill doesn't know the Bride at all.]]
4This is why his Superman monolouge is incorrect. He tells her that Clark Kent is a mask and that Superman is who he is, just as she really is a killer. It's actually the opposite: Superman is his job, he’s just as much Clark Kent of Smallville as he is Kal-El of Krypton if not more so. This mischaracterization of Superman was intentional to show that he really doesn't understand her at all.
5* Him being surpised at Pai Mei having taught her the 5 point palm exploding heart technique more or less reinforces how little he really knows her. If he did he shouldn't have been surprised.
6* Given his age, Bill is probably more familiar with the pre-Crisis iteration of Superman where Clark Kent is indeed the disguise.
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8[[WMG: Rufus is [[Film/PulpFiction Jules Winfield]] living under an assumed name.]]
9Either he was still wandering when the Massacre occurred, or God had finally put him right where he wanted him.
10* This is now part of my personal canon. Thank you.
11* Playing piano at a church would be fitting job for the [[HeelFaithTurn newly religious Jules]].
12* He also mentions how he "walks the earth" playing piano all across the country. Jules Winfield said he would "walk the earth" at the end of Pulp Fiction.
13** In fact he said he'd walk the earth "You know, like Caine in Kung Fu" and ends up being killed in a massacre committed by... [[FridgeBrilliance Caine, from Kung Fu]].
14* Jules Winfield was based on a man named Saint Moses the Black, who was a criminal until he had a religious experience and became a monk, and then later a priest. He eventually died as an old man defending a monastery from a group of bandits, who killed him and seven others. Let's see...not counting the baby and the Bride, since they weren't killed, there were how many people? I believe... eight (Reverend and mother, four friends, groom, Jules Winfield). Eight.
15* Rufus was none other than [[Film/SnakesOnAPlane FBI Agent Neville Flynn]]. Both films feature serpents... of a sort. Clearly his infiltration of a ceremony featuring a suspected assassin was one of his earlier missions. He didn't die, either. Blood packs.
16* I came to this page looking for this. I came to the same conclusion (about Jules being Rufus) and I'm pleased to see I'm not the only one!
17* I also decided this on my own, but he's not dead. He's too badass to die.
18* I think he's still alive. As for "God put him right where he wanted him", his death was a punishment for what he did as a hitman, but he gets to go to Heaven.
19* Alternatively, assuming ''Kill Bill'' is a ''[[Film/PulpFiction Fox Force Five]]'' adaptation that exists as a ShowWithinAShow within [[TheVerse the larger Tarantinoverse]], maybe Jules abandoned his life of crime to pursue an acting career.
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21[[WMG: Bill is actually a time-warped, evil version of Kwai Chang Caine from ''Series/KungFu1972'']].]]
22So, Pai Mei is the sort of evil martial arts master that taught Bill and massacred the Shaolin monks at some point. Bill is David Carradine, who plays Caine's trademark flute. Bill is obviously some weird, evil, alternate reality version of Caine that was raised by Pai Mei after he offed the monks.
23* Alternate reality, nothin'. Bill is the original Kwai Chang Caine. What can I say, that many years can change a man... and God knows what horrors Pai Mei put him through before deeming him worthy of the secret to eternal life.
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25[[WMG: Elle survived her encounter with the Bride.]]
26The members of the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad have [[MadeOfIron lived through worse]] than being blind in a trailer with a snake. The sequel will feature her as a blind swordswoman, which is [[Film/MasterOfTheFlyingGuillotine hardly]] a [[Franchise/{{Zatoichi}} setback]] in [[Film/KungFuHustle this]] [[Anime/NinjaScroll business]].
27* No. Elle will be the blind master who will adopt and train Nikki Green (Copperhead's daughter) to take revenge on the woman who murdered her mother in front of her. Nikki and B.B. (the Bride's daughter) will be best friends, attending the same school (they're both the same age). The Bride even said that she'll be waiting, should Nikki ever seek revenge.
28** And since Beatrix is no doubt now in hiding, Nikki will need to learn how to hunt a person down. Perhaps from a [[Film/InglouriousBasterds charming old German immigrant with an interesting scar]].
29** Nikki will be issued Budd's Hanzo sword.
30* Elle will be Zatoichi; Sofie Fatale will be the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Armed_Swordsman One Armed Swordswoman]]. That depends on whether the deleted scene showing Sofie's other limbs getting chopped off is canon, though.
31* There will be a hilarious scene where Elle and Sofie team up... and try to drive a car.
32** That would be an incredibly [[LipstickLesbian wasted opportunity]]
33* Jules Winfield will be there too, having decided that God led him to that church to witness the birth of a great evil. He will come out of retirement for one last job, and help Nikki kill The Bride.
34* No, Elle will team-up with another blind assassin: [[Film/OnceUponATimeInMexico Special Agent Sands]].
35
36[[WMG: ''Kill Bill'' is the future of ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}''.]]
37* Think about it for a minute. Angelica is The Bride, Suzie Carmichael is Copperhead, Lil is Elle Driver, Kimmi is Oren Ishii, Tommy is Budd, and Dil is Bill. Angelica's crazy as it is, Kimmi's Asian and not from the US, Suzie's black, Lil at the beginning of the series was the only other female peer, and Tommy and Dil are brothers.
38** The crazy 88 are the Mr. Friend dolls.
39** That's all well and good until you remember that Tommy and Dil are Angelica's cousins, which means that Angelica would have been pregnant with her cousin's baby.
40** Also, Angelica was a toddler when Dil was born and The Bride is a few decades younger than Bill.
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42[[WMG: ''Kill Bill'' is an {{Adaptation|Decay}} of the [[Film/PulpFiction Fox Force Five]] television series, years after the fact.]]
43Deadliest woman in the world with a blade, huh?
44* Yes, this does mean that Quentin Tarantino exists in the universe of ''Film/ReservoirDogs'' and ''Film/PulpFiction''.
45* This was already part of this troper's fanon, actually
46* Tarentino said in one of his interviews that he made ''Kill Bill'' so if the cast of ''Film/PulpFiction'' and ''Film/ReservoirDogs'' would watch it they would like it.
47* I believe this has been confirmed.
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49[[WMG: The Yakuza thug with the white clothes who participates in the murder of O-Ren's parents is Bill.]]
50He'd be about the right age, and he's evidently enough of a bastard.
51* Supposedly, this has been confirmed by WordOfGod.
52* It's almost indisputable - he has the same distinctive rings (and sword) that we see in the shot of Bill's hand when he's talking on the phone to Elle in the first movie.
53** No, that is incorrect, I just watched both scenes back to back. When Bill is speaking to Elle Driver on the phone you only see his right hand, and he has an emerald ring on his third finger. The assassin in white has a ruby ring on his first finger. Also you do not see the man in white's sheathe, so saying the swords are identical is kind of hard to prove since that is what is most distinctive about Bill's. You can see that the wrapping on the hilt is similar, but there are no little rubies between.
54*** While you're correct, it presumes a few things that we can't know for sure. One, there's no guarantee that the sword used to kill O-Ren's father is a Hanzo sword. Hattori has presumably made plenty of swords throughout his life, so it's possible he made either multiple swords for Bill, or that he didn't make Bill's until after the murder of O-Ren's father. When it comes to the jewelry, people change jewelry all the time. What I think is most interesting is that the killer of O-Ren's father has a skull ring on, and Bill's Hanzo sword has a Japanese demon skull on the Saya (the scabbard or sheathe). That being said, in my personal headcanon, the reasons why I always took him to be Bill have less to do with the sword or the jewelry, but the cinematography and the rest of his look. Why would a random mook get so much focus and attention from Quentin UNLESS he had some significance to the rest of the story, or some strong connection ASIDE from being the murder of O-Ren's father? You spend nearly as much time looking at him than you do Boss Matsumoto, the one who orchestrated the killings. Quentin doesn't do that unless there's a greater significance to the character. Further, his entire look and demeanor (especially the long hair with the same part on the left side) clearly evokes Bill. Not to mention, with his dark hair, he's a dead-ringer for David Carradine as he looked when he played Caine in "Kung Fu". Further, there's a line from Budd when he's speaking with Bill: "Them Japs, they sure know how to hold a grudge, don't they? Well maybe, you just tend to bring that out in people". While he's ostensibly talking about Hanzo making a sword for Beatrix, I think it also references him killing O-Ren's father, and considering that Bill is apparently hiding out in Central America, maybe it's because he knows that with O-Ren being the leader of the Yakuza, Japan is a no-go zone because she'd try to kill him. The last part is extreme personal headcanon, but since the DVAS clearly have broken up sometime after the Massacre at Two Pines, it's clearly because Bill has shown his propensity to backstab (Pai Mei hates him, Hanzo hates him, Budd hates him, he killed the love of his life because she wanted to leave the business, even though she was pregnant with HIS kid, Vernita is annoyed at him because she wanted the Black Mamba codename, and Elle probably hates him because he wouldn't let him kill Beatrix in the hospital, and because she knows he doesn't love her the way he loved Beatrix).
55* My only problem with this is that, why the hell would O-Ren then want to work with him? He helped murder her parents; unless we're going to say she's completely dispassionate by that point, I don't see her allying with such a person.
56** She was hiding the entire time, so she probably never got a clear view of the killer, and never knew it was Bill.
57*** To add onto this, from the framing of the entire shot in the room, it's obvious that she was looking at Boss Matsumoto, who was sitting down in a chair watching everything. From under the bed, there's no physical way she'd be able to look up and see Bill, but since Boss Matsumoto is sitting down on the other side of the room, she'd be able to see him. Otherwise, how would she know it was done by Matsumoto UNLESS she saw him?
58** Alternately, as a professional assassin, she only blames the person who calls the hit, not the killer.
59** On the other hand, O-Ren beheaded somebody because he verbally mocked her american ancestry. It would be odd that such a character decided to forgive the person who actually mudered her father out of professional courtesy.
60* This would explain a lot, and leads into...
61
62[[WMG: Bill orchestrated most of O-Ren's life as a brilliant power-play.]]
63Bill was a higher-up in the organization of the Yakuza who ordered the deaths of O-Ren's parents. He heard her "whim-per" in the room and stayed behind to collect her after setting the place ablaze, while the rest of the crew returned to the hangout. Children who witness their parent's deaths seem to grow up to be murderers in this universe (see Beatrix Kiddo's automatic assumption about what Nikita Green will do when she's older), so Bill decided to put this particular killer-to-be to work for him. He trained her to become an assassin, made sure she became one of the girls on the pedophile crimelord's list, and then smuggled her out, earning her loyalty. In the wake of his death, Bill seized control of the gang's resources and finances, then dissolved the group, leaving a huge power vacuum in the Japanese underworld and him with enough funding to start a lucrative assassination cartel: The Deadly Viper Assassination Squad.
64By playing one gang off another and killing key power figures in each faction, Bill ensures that the Japanese underworld will remain locked in bloody conflict for the next decade. He expands the his borders of operations around the globe, working other projects and jobs, but makes sure to keep Japan destabilized. Ten years later, when all of the Yakuza factions are weak, desperate and divided due to years of strife, he uses his influence and wealth to back the bloody rise of O-Ren Ishii to head of the Yakuza and begin restoring the organization to glory. In a few years, one of the most powerful crime syndicate's in the world and the entire country its based in answer to a woman who holds him in utmost respect.
65With one fuckcrazy little girl, Bill slipped Japan into his pocket.
66* So ''Film/LuckyNumberSlevin'' without the KansasCityShuffle then?...interesting....
67** Also, it would explain how O-Ren was able to have a sword and hand cannon to use to dispatch Matsumoto and his guards: Bill placed them there for O-Ren. Working with Matsumoto would have allowed Bill access to Matsumoto's place, and planting the weapons that O-Ren used to be able to kill the crimelord and give her a chance to escape.
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69[[WMG: The Bride started killing the Deadly Vipers with her best friend, and planned to finish with her worst enemy, before moving on to Bill.]]
70Her comments when discussing finding O-Ren Ishii imply that there was more at work than expedience ("conveniently, the first name on my list was also the easiest to find..."), and in her confrontation with O-Ren there is an odd dynamic between the two, most notably in the shared line of "Silly rabbit, Trix are for-" "kids." Then, Vernita seems a little hostile, but remorseful; Budd is utterly dispassionate; and Elle openly hated The Bride even when they were on the same side. Plus, it suits her sense of drama.
71** Also, it adds an extra level of punishment for those later on the list: Extra time to know and fear that she is coming to kill them.
72* I agree that O-Ren and The Bride had been the closest out of all of the assassins working with Bill. I also think there was at least a lot of mutual respect. O-Ren understands revenge better than anyone in the vipers.
73** There's also the fact that the Bride knew O-Ren's whole life story, and narrated it for the audience.
74*** Also, their battle was the longest if you count getting through the Crazy 88 and ''definitely'' the most honorable.
75** I think the whole kill order transitions this way: she was close friends with O-Ren, and fairly friendly with Vernita. I'm guessing her relationship with Budd was almost entirely professional. But she HATED Elle!
76** O-Ren also apologized after mocking the Bride. The Bride accepted the apology and asked if O-Ren was ready... something that she did not afford the others on her list. She also seemed somewhat remorseful when she fought her, implying that there was a part of her that still felt kinship with O-Ren.
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78[[WMG: Budd was expecting Elle to betray and attack him, but wasn't prepared for the poison of a California Mountain Snake.]]
79It was repeatedly shown that Budd was a total badass [[CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass under his]] crooked exterior, and an apt psychologist to boot. Why would he be caught off-guard by the hostility that Elle made clear even to the audience? He wasn't; Budd saw it coming a mile off and wanted to lure her into overextending before a swift shotgun blast to the torso, just as he did with The Bride. To prepare for this, he dosed himself heavily with the antidote to California Mountain Snake venom, knowing Elle's sick sense of humor. Unfortunately, he failed to account for the extent of her sympathy for her worst enemy, or attention to irony. Remember, kids, literary devices are SeriousBusiness.
80* California Mountain Snakes aren't venomous.
81** Then he prepared for Sidewinder venom. The point is he didn't think Elle would use Black Mamba venom, given her relationship with the Bride.
82
83[[WMG: O-Ren wasn't safe at the restaurant.]]
84It's called the [[color:blue:House]] of Blue Leaves. Obviously, the [[color:blue:House]] had something to do with O-Ren's death. It might have even lead the Bride here somehow.
85* The [[color:blue:House]] of Blue Leaves was built over the site of the house in ''Film/TheGrudge'' and has now an alluring aura for those seeking revenge.
86
87[[WMG: O-Ren was intended to be the main character of the movies, but the Bride stole the role.]]
88We learn a lot more about her than about the Bride. She has a tragic backstory, a strong personnality, a bunch of characters bound to her by a relationship that begged to be developed -- even the mooks: they're mooks, but still she laughs with them and doesn't look down on them, and they're ready to die for her... In fact, the Bride was only supposed to fight O-Ren after having destroyed most of what she had built as the Queen of the Yakuzas, then be killed, leaving our half-Japanese swordswoman distraught at the end of Volume One. She then would have left her "job" in Volume Two and tried to find the other members of the Deadly Vipers looking for explanations on what they had done, the purpose of these murders, the story of the bride and so on. Eventually she would have discovered that Bill was, as explained above, the white-suited man who killed her father. Realizing she has been fooled into serving the man who had destroyed her life, carrying both her need for revenge and the Bride's memory, she would have become the Atoner and taken her revenge against Bill in a climactic fight, hence the title.
89But the fact is that the Bride is such a goddamn bitch, she managed to bend destiny itself, get up after having been killed by O-Ren when she cut her spine, and inverted what the scenario told by killing O-Ren, forcing Tarantino to re-write the story with her as the main character. Poor O-Ren.
90* That's actually a very clever theory. A No-Prize for you, my friend.
91* Interesting theory but why would O-Ren find anything unusual to look into? She knows why the Bride attacked her and her people, she was one of the one that tried to kill the Bride on Bill's orders. If anything after the Bride was killed by her she'd be happy, she'd ended her friend's pain after she put up a great fight and will be known as the one who killed the Black Mamba, boosting her reputation.
92* Pretty sure word of god has stated that giving O-Ren a juicy backstory was done in order to convince Lucy Liu to take the role
93
94[[WMG:Bill wanted to die.]]
95After dealing with the remorse for almost killing his true love and child he grew suicidal but couldn't kill himself (warrior's death and all). To make amends he took his daughter and tried to raise her as a caring and nuturing father. However when learning of Kiddo's awakening he made no attempts to stop her from getting to him. When the time came he put on the act as if he were fighting back and allowed Kiddo to kill him. If the fight were real it would have been much longer and Bill would be the victor, not without a few close calls himself. Instead he chose to die a good death and give the Bride her revenge and B.B her mother. Or......
96
97[[WMG:B.B. is a tykebomb]]
98Bill was too old and too weak while Kiddo still in her prime. In his younger days he would have very much been her equal, but years have been unkind. Bill devised a plan, to condition B.B., his daughter, to take his revenge. When B.B comes of age she'll turn on the Bride and possibly team up with Nikita to take revenge for their fallen parents.
99* That sequel would be amazing.
100
101[[WMG:O-Ren was TheStarscream of the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad]]
102This goes in accordance with the theory that Bill participated in the deaths of O-Ren's parents. After tracking down Bill she joined the [=DiVAS=] in order to get close to him. Throughout the time she was a member of the group she tried numerous failed attempts on Bill's life. The only reason Bill kept her around was that he found her useful. It might also explain why Beatrix Kiddo went after O-Ren first. It was her way of saying that she's going to finish O-Ren's job for her.
103
104[[WMG: The presence of Texas Ranger Earl [=McGraw=] confirms that...]]
105The action films of Creator/RobertRodriguez also take place in the Tarantino-universe. His cameo in ''Film/DeathProof'' only cements this.
106* Also, [[Film/FromDuskTillDawn Seth Gekko]] gets take out from [[Film/PulpFiction Big Kahuna Burger]], shortly after killing Earl.
107
108[[WMG: Mia Wallace and Beatrix Kiddo are long-lost twin sisters.]]
109We really don't know anything about Beatrix before she worked for Bill, and the only thing we know about Mia is that she wanted to be an actress. Bill seems to have a penchant for recruiting women with tragic pasts (evidence O-Ren). Mia and Beatrix's parents were horribly killed somehow and they were separated while still children. Jules Winfield (a.k.a. Rufus) probably noticed this, but never had time to approach Beatrix (a.k.a. Arlene) before the Squad attacked.
110
111[[WMG: B.B. was awake during Bill and Beatrix's talk]]
112I don't know how much she understood, but does know her mommy killed her daddy, and that's going to make for some interesting teen years...
113* Considering there were two gunshots and a lot of screaming during their talk, it makes a lot of sense that she would've woken up.
114** Not really, considering she fell asleep watching ''Shogun Assassin,'' and there was screaming and shots on the TV.
115
116[[WMG: Bill told B.B. about her mommy waking up and coming for blood]]
117He probably had a long talk to her after he confirmed the bride woke up. At volume two B.B. not only knew she will meet her mommy but the reunion will end with her losing one of her parents.
118* That would explain why she didn't wonder what happen to her dad.
119** Also why he made a point to explain that Daddy hurt Mommy before the final fight, so she would understand that Daddy had it coming.
120
121[[WMG: Gogo Yubari is (or was) a pair of CreepyTwins]]
122They were twins in the original script: AxCrazy Gogo at the bar and TheQuietOne Gogo at the restaurant (Crazy!Gogo had the flu). Quiet!Gogo was killed and Crazy(er)!Gogo will avenge her in the sequel.
123* Tarantino originally wanted Creator/ChiakiKuriyama (Gogo) and Kou Shibasaki (Yuki) as sisters (Chigusa and Mitsuko from Battle Royale respectively). Due to conflicting schedules, Kou Shibasaki was unavailable so Tarantino changed it to twins before scrapping the idea altogether. (I would love to see Shibasaki in the sequel however)
124
125[[WMG: The conflict between Bill and Budd is based on Bill's fondness for being "old school"]]
126Bill likes to think of himself as a samurai or Ninja or something. He thinks in terms of honor, likes swordplay, has a flair for the dramatic, etc. However, Budd understand what they are: killers. Period, end of story. The dead don't give a shit if they were killed by an "honorable" warrior or not. What they care about is the fact that they're ''dead''. So why should the killer care when the victim doesn't?
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128This self-realization is what allows him to be the ''only'' character who snags the Bride. He doesn't play by Bill's rules, which he knows she follows. I also think that this allowed him to be the most effective assassin in the group when they were still together. Because he didn't fuck around. It also likely makes him more like historical Ninja than anything Bill ever could achieve.
129
130[[WMG: The conflict between Bill and Budd is based on Budd undermining Bill by directing Elle to the hospital to Kill Elle while she slept]]
131Its possible that Elle was not clear on if that was Bill's direct order or not, and we even know that Elle has them in her phone in a way that is not clear to her which brother is which (when Budd calls her and he tells her, "wrong brother"). Its likely that Budd thought he was going to get a lot of praise for being pro-active, and finishing the job that Bill started, and was seeking Bill's praise. He is, after all, the only man Budd ever loved. This may even be why he didn't accept Bill's help...either penance for his earlier mistake or to show Bill that he could, in fact, kill her honorably. He even did refrain from killing her "dishonorably" when he shot her with rock salt instead of with deadly ammo at his trailer.
132
133[[WMG: O-Ren and the Bride were best friends before the massacre]]
134* The Bride has a lot of in-depth knowledge on O-ren's past and origins. The Bride gives us more background on O-Ren than she does on herself.
135* Finishing each other's sentences in the "Silly Rabbit, Trix are for kids" line is clearly a past inside joke between them.
136* O-Ren apologizes to the Bride for insulting her during their fight.
137* O-Ren's death is the only kill in the movies (besides Bill's) that the Bride cries over.
138* This is because...
139
140[[WMG: The Bride and O-Ren's parents were army buddies.]]
141We know O-Ren's father was an Asian-American soldier stationed in Japan. It's quite possible the Bride is also from a military family in Japan, given that she's fluent in Japanese and proficient in various forms of armed and unarmed combat even before being trained by Pai Mei.
142
143[[WMG: Gogo Yubari is a winner of a ''Film/BattleRoyale'']]
144The scene where she murders the businessman in the bar occurs just after she has been crowned winner and released. He was the first person she killed after the Program ended where she was forced to slaughter her friends. Her meteor hammer is the weapon she was randomly assigned, which she keeps as a souvenir. The schoolgirl uniform is her old school uniform, after being thoroughly washed. O-Ren was impressed by the teenage killer and bought her on board to her Yakuza Clan.
145
146[[WMG: Pai Mei is a body jumping monster.]]
147Gordon Liu's character defeated Pai Mei in the universe that Kill Bill shares with Kung Fu (ties in with the 'Bill is Kwai Chang Caine' theory above). Now Gordon Liu's character IS Pai Mei. QED, Pai Mei's immortality doesn't come from Dragon Ball Z style TrainingFromHell but rather from body snatching. The reason he's so dismissive of the bride and reputedly hates blondes, whites, and women is because they are completely unsuitable for him to groom as replacements. In order to keep the real reason of his immortality a secret, Pai Mei only possesses bodies with at least some similar characteristics to his original. This also makes Bill's "In the year Double-aught-three" introduction make a little more sense. Presumably when Elle poisoned him, rather than beating him in a martial challenge, the secret of his immortality was lost.
148
149[[WMG:The Bride is still in a coma and all of the events of both films are just "dreams" or flashes of mental images that come to her while she lies in her hospital bed.]]
150Let's review: The Bride was severely wounded in an attack and yet is able to leave the hospital, commandeer the [[{{Bowdlerize}} "Party Wagon"]] and seek revenge against the people that injured her. Given the years of physical therapy that recovering from a coma would entail and the lack of obvious financial resources available to her, it's unlikely that The Bride would have been able track down highly trained, and one would assume extremely secretive, assassins. And since no matter how lopsided the odds or unlikely the circumstances, The Bride always overcomes and defeats her enemies, it's obvious that she is in a dream state and the movie series is a creation of her own imagination.
151* This also explains why people can bring swords onto commercial passenger aircraft and not arouse suspicion.
152* And why the only police we ever see in the movie are the ones cleaning up after the Massacre at Two Pines. If the whole story is all going on in the Bride's head, they don't belong in her revenge-fantasy.
153
154[[WMG: Bill once said something [[LethalChef deeply insulting regarding Hattori Hanzo's food preparing skills]].]]
155Hattori Hanzo has retired from sword-making, presumably for moral reasons. But when he learns that the Bride needs a sword to [[TitleDrop kill Bill]], he oddly doesn't hesitate to forge one last sword. What has Bill done to him that makes him ignore his new principles?
156* A first hint comes from Budd. Upon hearing about all this, he remarks that it is typical for the Japanese to never forget a grudge they bear against someone. Bill and Hanzo indeed seem to have had [[ItsPersonal a personal conflict]] back in the old days.
157* Then, when Bill and the Bride finally meet again, he asks her if Hattori Hanzo's sushi is still that bad. This indicates that Bil actually has tasted Hanzo's food. When has this been? When Bill still was Hanzo's pupil in katana fighting? Maybe, but a weapon smith who can't cook that good is hardly remarkable.
158* This leads us to the conclusion that Bill actually has once visited Hanzo's restaurant, probably shortly after Hanzo did retire and celebrated his grand opening. Back in these days, the two must still have been friends, because you'd hardly let your sworn enemy enter your house. Bill came as friend, tasted the food, was asked how he liked it, gave an honest answer - and departed as Hanzo's enemy.
159** I think Hanzo is supposed to be a good guy. I never watched the TV series but from what I understand, it's a long line of do-gooders who make really good swords. Bill took his training and swords and not only became an assassin but trained others to be assassins as well. Feeling betrayed, Hanzo retired and became a devout Buddhist.
160
161[[WMG: Elle didn't really kill Pai Mei.]]
162After hearing so much buildup and seeing Pai Mei's fighting prowess, it seems rather anticlimactic that a thousand-year-old master like Pai Mei would die from being poisoned at the hands of a lowly student, especially after being called an old fool. It seems more likely that Elle attempted to poison Pai Mei, but failed, and was thrown out by Pai Mei in a rare moment of mercy. Telling Beatrix that she had murdered her master seems exactly the sort of cruel thing that Elle would use as psychological warfare, and the flashback was just a narration of Elle embellishing the story. Not to mention, if Beatrix reacted violently to the news of Pai Mei being killed in such a cowardly fashion, imagine Bill's reaction. If Elle did kill Pai Mei, Bill likely would have killed her, or at the very least, suspended her from the Deadly Vipers.
163* Much as we would like that theory to be correct, it is simply far too unreasonable to assume that Pai Mei - the man known to turn people into a red mist for so much as thinking about him wrong and who has previously ''plucked out Elle's own eye for giving him sass'', would actually allow her to go after attempting to murder him. If he was in any shape to do anything whatsoever at any point during the process, there wouldn't have been enough left of Elle to fit in a rice bowl.
164
165[[WMG: The Bride, and possibly all the female members of the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad, were [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer slayers or potential slayers]].]]
166Super strong women with insane martial arts skills who kick crazy amounts of ass? Bill is a former Watcher and picked them specifically because of this.
167
168[[WMG: [[Film/PulpFiction Winston Wolf]] will be in the sequel]]
169The Wolf will clean up Vernita Green's house. Vernita's husband the Good Doctor Bell knows [[Film/ReservoirDogs Bonnie]], [[Film/PulpFiction Jimmie Dimmick]]'s wife. Bonnie knows her husband has connections and puts Bell in contact with the Wolf, who does help despite being retired after marrying Raquel from Monster Joe's Truck and Tow.
170
171[[WMG: Pei Mei died before Budd could be trained.]]
172Obviously, we know that Elle killed Pei Mei after he tore her eye out. We don't know exactly when this happened but it's implied that it happened during her training. Now, the Bride had already gone through training and it seems that Vernita went through training with Pei Mei since she could go hand-to-hand with the Bride. Considering O-Ren was Bill's protege', we can assume that she also recieved training (we never see her martial arts skills). This would leave Elle as the last person to be trained and we know how that ended. Everyone seemed to have a low opinion of Budd's skill. Obviously, he let himself go, but when Bill asked if he was still practicing sword-fighting, martial arts never came up. Budd certainly didn't expect the Bride to punch her way through the coffin (seems that technique was the very first lesson.) He was next in line to be trained and it never happened due to Elle.
173
174[[WMG: Pai Mei's training is the reason why the Bride survived the massacre.]]
175Given that he's ReallySevenHundredYearsOld, he's probably got some tricks for cheating death, and if he trusted the Bride enough to teach her the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique, he would've trusted her enough to teach her how to [[SupernaturalMartialArts survive grievous wounds]], so that instead of dying when beaten and then shot in the head, she entered a HealingComa. Bill didn't know about her learning the FPPEHT, which is why he chalked up her survival to mere chance. This also explains why the Bride was able to recover pretty quickly after waking up; she's able to [[CharlesAtlasSuperpower mentally augment]] her healing. Note that this doesn't make her immortal; presumably, if she were caught totally off-guard (as Pai Mei was when Elle poisoned him), she'd still die.
176
177[[WMG: Nikki Green will become a crime fighting super hero.]]
178[[DeathByOriginStory after her mother's death]].
179
180[[WMG: Bill had relationships with ALL the [=DiVAS=] (except Budd).]]
181He's called "Snakecharmer". It's confirmed, straight up, that he had a relationship with the Bride, hell, he got her preggo. It's all but confirmed through his dialogue with Elle in the hospital, what with him telling her how much he loves her. We've never seen him interact with O-Ren or Vernita, why is it such a stretch to believe that he had similar relationships with them? There's actually a fairly prevalent fan theory that Vernita was pregnant with his baby during the wedding massacre because of how close BB and Nikki are in age...
182
183[[WMG: During WWII, Bill (and possibly Budd) were Basterds.]]
184
185After the original [[Film/InglouriousBasterds Basterds]] successfully killed Hitler and ended the war in the European Theatre, Lt. Raine was ordered to put a new team together and do the same to the Japanese. Among the members were two young OSS agents who were familiar with Japanese martial arts and culture.
186* Unlikely. Creator/DavidCarradine (born 1936) was 66 or 67 at the time of filming ''Film/KillBill'', which would make him 9 in 1945. Creator/MichaelMadsen was born in 1958, making him 22 years younger than his on-screen "brother." Either the boys are MUCH OlderThanTheyLook, or this WMG would also make them time lords.
187
188[[WMG: Bill orchestrated his own death after the Bride broke his heart.]]
189
190Let's face it, if the guy's a murdering bastard, he's a [[MagnificentBastard magnificent murdering bastard]]. That said, his real reason for orchestrating the Massacre may have been because he didn't want to live without the Bride, and so [[ThanatosGambit orchestrated the massacre in a manner that would allow the Bride to survive, knowing full well she'd be after his blood if she did survive]]. Then he took their child after the doctors were able to save her and settled down to a quiet life to await the day the Bride would kill him. This would probably explain why he's such a GracefulLoser when the Bride hits him with the dim mak she had learned from Pai Mei, the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique.
191
192[[WMG:Pai Mei didn't die.]]
193
194It was just a lie to antagonize the Bride. Pai Mai is too wise and powerful to be killed so easily.
195* The problem here is that the surprise wasn't that Pai Mei was dead but WHY he died. After all, Elle killed him during her training which would have been years before the Bride ended up in her coma. The fact that he was dead would be old news by then, the fact that Elle poisoned him out of spite was the shocking news.
196
197[[WMG:Buck is Rick Spector from ''Film/{{Magnolia}}.'']]
198
199[[WMG:Budd was at least half expecting to be killed... but not by Elle]]
200He had to at have kept in mind the possibility the Bride would get out of her grave alive (he did give her the flashlight after all) and even if he was unaware of Pei Mei's exact training he knew exactly how hard she was to kill. If she made it out of her grave alive and killed him, well as he said earlier he deserved it. On the other hand if she never returned, well ''she'' deserved it too.
201
202[[WMG: The Bride never really killed Bill]]
203
204The five point palm technique was never taught to Elle in her training montage...the move doesn't work and Bill simply plays along to make her believe he died, the best way out for both of them.
205In the final credits (the black and white ones) the actors of those on the kill list have their names crossed out (Elle Driver's actress has a question mark) apart from Bill...his name is left uncrossed. He's still alive. http://imgur.com/a/hgzIz
206* Given David Carradine's death, it would be an accomplishment to bring him back if a sequel happens.
207* This is [[{{Foreshadowing}} foreshadowed]] by the earlier scene where they're playing Cops and Robbers and Beatrix pretends to die. It's just a game all over again.
208** Also indicated when the Bride shakes her head after Bill asks if Pai Mei taught her the technique. Even if the truth serum is still in her system, maybe "Course he did" was sarcastic.
209* If you watch Bill, he actually takes 6 steps, instead of 5 before dropping. So... supported by mistake?
210** Technically, it was six steps. Bill was sitting down when Beatrix initiated the technique. He then has to get up on his feet, which technically counts as the first step.
211* Speaking of the credits, note that the other names in the credits appear alongside movie footage of the characters alive and well, even though a lot of them died over the course of the movie. Bill's name shows up with the image of Bill lying facedown in the grass, perhaps indicating that he's still alive as he lies there.
212
213[[WMG: The next film ([[DevelopmentHell assuming there ever is one]]) will be set TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture.]]
214Since [[WordOfGod Nikki Green is going to be in the next film as an adult]] ([[DevelopmentHell again, assuming there ever is one]]), there will have to be a fifteen to twenty year TimeSkip for her to be old enough to go after the Bride. Since the current films take place in the present day ([[{{Retraux}} albeit with heavy influences from 70's Exploitation Films]]), then the setting of the "present" of Kill Bill Vol. 3 (a.k.a. Kill Beatrix) will be in the future, perhaps stylized somewhere between {{Cyberpunk}} and {{Zeerust}}. This can allow for ArtificialLimbs (allowing [[AnArmAndALeg Sofie]] and [[EyeScream Elle]] to circumvent their previous injuries), a [[MeleeATrois third party intervention]] from a MegaCorp (this won't feel out of place, seeing how the original Kill Bill verse [[CrapsackWorld is just as corrupted]]), [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and perhaps some CGI special effects]].
215* Interesting theory, although the actress who played the original Nikki is 21 as of 2016, and the actress who played B.B. turns 19 this year, so they're definitely old enough to play their vengeful characters as adults.
216
217[[WMG: The next (possible) film will center around a conflict between Nikki's desire for vengeance and her friendship with B.B.]]
218Sure, we could get some good tension out of a straightforward woman-to-woman conflict, but what if Nikki tried to keep her want for revenge on the down-low? What if she tried to keep her actual identity a secret? And what if, by complete accident, [[BecomingTheMask she ends up getting too attached to the child of her mark?]]
219
220This theory is especially wild, because of the drastic GenreShift from action movie to... spy drama? Yeah, spy drama seems to be the best fit here, what with the assassination mission and the emotional conflict.
221
222[[WMG: The final film will end with Nikki letting Beatrix live.]]
223
224She will Hand Beatrix's sword back to her, saying something along the lines of "I'm certain you have a good idea where to stick it. I'm going to leave you now and live a life that wasn't chosen for me."
225
226[[WMG: Beatrix was deliberately awoken by one of Bill's enemies as part of a BatmanGambit to destroy him.]]
227
228Bill most likely has ''several'' people all over the world who want him dead, the problem is that he is probably one of the deadliest people on the face of the Earth and has some equally deadly allies all over the world. The DiVAS being the least of them. So how do you kill, you send someone who is not only as deadly as he is, but also someone, against whom, due to remorse as well as no small amount of remaining love, Bill is powerless.
229
230Also think about all the money and resources the Beatrix would have needed just to travel as a part of her RoaringRampageofRevenge. She has been in a coma for four years, how would she have gotten them, unless someone was bankrolling her.
231
232[[WMG: The Bride and B.B. will have a ''Manga/LoneWolfAndCub'' lifestyle.]]
233
234The Bride will go back to being an assassin, and her daughter will be at her side, assisting in the killings like Daigoro assisted his father.
235
236[[WMG: ''Kill Bill'' is an [[ShowWithinAShow in-universe work of fiction]]]]
237In the continuity that Tarantino's other movies (''Film/PulpFiction'', ''Film/ReservoirDogs'', ''Film/TrueRomance'', ''Film/InglouriousBasterds'', etc.) take place in; possibly even a movie that [[Film/PulpFiction Mia Wallace]] made during her time as an actress.
238* I read somewhere a theory that 'Kill Bill' was either a reboot or a sequel to 'Fox Force Five', with Mia Wallace's character as the central character.
239
240[[WMG: O-Ren's parents were killed because Boss Matsumoto wanted them to hand over O-Ren]]
241* After all, Boss Matsumoto was a pedophile
242
243[[WMG: Budd called Elle down so the Bride could kill her]]
244Keeping with the theory that Budd wanted to die, and knew full well that the Bride could punch her way out of her grave, it wouldn't be far fetched to assume that bringing Elle out into the open was his final gift to the Bride.
245
246[[WMG: Hanzo's grudge for Bill.]]
247Before meeting and agreeing to train Bill, Hanzo had already sworn an oath not to make something that kills people. However, for whatever reason, he agreed to teach Bill in the art of the samurai sword.
248
249The stinger comes, when, as a parting gift, Bill asked Hanzo to make him a sword. A Hattori Hanzo sword. Ergo, Hanzo breaking his oath. Probably at this time he had Hanzo make a sword for Budd as well.
250
251Hanzo, thinking that he had taught the art of the samurai sword to Bill for a good purpose, was upset at the fact that he was an assassin. Plus points if, after all, Hanzo was like a father figure to Bill.
252
253At first, like when he made his sword for the Bride, he is beset by deep regret and sorrow on having broken his oath. But soon after, he found renewed purpose and renewed his oath to not make something that kills people.
254
255That is, until the Bride came along and asked for a sword from him again and make him break his oath yet again.
256
257[[WMG: Budd's hatred for Bill and Elle is because Elle left him for Bill.]]
258It fits the facts as we know them. We know that Budd has a grudge against his brother for an unknown reason. We know he hates Elle and the feeling is mutual. We can guess Bill and Elle got together sometime between Bea's disappearance and the massacre... seeing as she's cooing to him that she loves him over the phone in the hospital. It's not a stretch to imagine that Elle might have been with Budd but left him for Bill when the wealthier classier brother became single again.
259
260[[WMG: O-Ren developed a fear of Hanzo swords.]]
261The way that O-Ren reacts to when The Bride tells her that the sword she's using is Hanzo steel, O-Ren's reaction comes off as a mix of surprise and fear. But then after seeing the Lioness on the blade, O-Ren's reaction is of cockiness, as if she doesn't believe that it's real. O-Ren may have developed a fear of Hanzo swords, as her parents were murdered with one (and she herself came close to being killed by it). Though she knew Bill carried one, she always instinctively had a fear of Hanzo produced swords that not many people knew about. This explains why her sword isn't a Hanzo, as the style of it doesn't match any of the others in Hanzo's own collection (also, she, along with many people, would know that Hanzo no longer produced or sold swords, so in her mind, the chances of it being a real Hanzo sword was slim). But back to the point, since O-Ren and the Bride were friends, she may have told B about her fear of Hanzo swords and, at the moment of the fight, she believed the sword wasn't a real Hanzo sword and that the Bride was using psychological warfare on her to throw her off her game for the upcoming fight. It wasn't until the sword pierced through her head did she know that it was truly a Hanzo sword.
262
263[[WMG: The Monk ''did'' nod back at Pai Mei...]]
264But Pai Mei, being the '''massive''' JerkAss he was, was expecting a bow, a lowly Shaolin Monk nodding back as an equal? Pai Mei ''hates'' that sort of thing, everything is beneath him, he simply lied about it for an excuse to kill Monks, knowing that they would try and appease him for simply not returning the gesture, which he could take greater "offense" to.
265
266[[WMG: Kill Bill shares the same reality as Film/CharliesAngels2000.]]
267O-Ren happens to behead Boss Tanaka of the Tanaka Clan. In ''Film/CharliesAngelsFullThrottle'', one of the gangs that shows up to purchase the H.A.L.O. rings happens to be a member of the Tanaka Clan. The person who showed up at the meeting was Boss Tanaka's brother. The reason why he was in such a sour mood during the celebration scene before being beheaded was not just because of the fact that O-Ren was now the new boss of the entire Japanese criminal underworld, but the fact that he had also been informed his brother was arrested for conspiracy to commit murder to those under witness protection.
268* [[CelebrityParadox Do I even need to point out the obvious?]] Maybe for one mission Alex tried to impersonate O-Ren while infiltrating the Tanaka Clan, but naturally the real one found out and [[ConfrontingYourImposter fought Alex]], resulting in a fight for the ages.
269** Considering that there are examples characters played by the same actors in both ''Kill Bill'' films (i.e. Michael Parks playing both Earl [=McGraw=] and Esteban Vihaio, and Gordon Liu playing both Johnny Mo, the leader of the Crazy 88, and Pai Mei), it's not too far of a stretch to assume that Alex and O-Ren both exist and never meet each other as circumstances never had them cross paths, and characters never acknowledging the resemblance. In fact, maybe part of the reason why Boss Tanaka insults O-Ren may be due to the fact she bares a passing resemblance to one of the private investigators who lead to his brother's capture.
270
271[[WMG: The Deadly Viper Assassination Squad was a radical left-wing terror cell.]]
272At first, back in TheSeventies (a hotbed of militant leftism, ''and'' apparently Tarantino's favorite decade), it may have just been Bill and Budd. Over the following decades it expanded--perhaps developing a specifically environmentalist focus in TheNineties, once the other four had joined. ({{Ecoterrorist}}s existed in the '70s too, but that cause seems to have become particularly prominent in the '90s, whereas far-left militants of the '70s represented a wider array of anticapitalist ideologies.) Hanzo's hatred of Bill may be due to fracturation between them--perhaps due to MotiveDecay on Bill's part, as indicated by the luxurious lifestyle we see at the time of the movie, or else just due to [[WeAREStrugglingTogether hairsplitting factionalism]] in the style of [[Film/MontyPythonsLifeOfBrian the Judean People's Front and the People's Front of Judea]].
273* Hell, Bill might have been active even before the 1970s! Maybe Lee Harvey Oswald was the first Deadly Viper, or a fall guy in the event that [[WhoShotJFK Bill himself shot JFK]].
274
275
276[[WMG: Bill tried to kill the Bride partly because [[HeKnowsTooMuch he didn't want her leaking information about the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad to the authorities]].]]
277Maybe Vernita was allowed to settle down with her own husband and daughter because she discussed it with Bill ahead of time and agreed not to inform on the Vipers. In contrast, the Bride faked her death and resurfaced under a pseudonym, which likely came off as highly suspicious to the rest of the squad, who could've taken it as part of a witness relocation arrangement.
278
279[[WMG: Elle's rationale for killing Budd was {{combat aestheticis|t}}m.]]
280She wanted the Bride to die with both suffering and gravitas. As dishonorable as SickbedSlaying may be, a lethal injection of TechnicolorToxin from a killer in a flashy disguise is nonetheless a ''dramatic'' way to go. Upon hearing that Budd had the Bride at his mercy, Elle reasoned that Budd would be too much of a CombatPragmatist to wait for her to finish off the Bride with the right kind of showmanship (and didn't realize that he was actually ''hoping'' the Bride would escape). So Elle decided to make the best of that situation, instructing Budd to make her hated enemy "suffer to her last breath" (which she figured he'd do in his typical BoringButPractical style, as opposed to the [[BuriedAlive Texas funeral]] he ended up using) but then punishing Budd for not being theatrical enough. (In addition to Elle's apparent jealousy over Bill, the other reason she wanted the Bride to suffer was for escaping a more peaceful and painless death that first time at the hospital--we saw how pissed off Elle got when Bill called off the hit!) Also, presumably her other motive for killing Budd was just to get her hands on that Hanzo steel without forking over the million dollars he demanded.
281
282[[WMG:Bill was [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._B._Cooper D. B. Cooper]].]]
283
284[[WMG:Elle is short for Elvira.]]
285What better name for a Tarantino character than that of a [[Creator/ElviraMistressOfTheDark fellow nostalgia buff who specializes in exploitation films of the mid- to late twentieth century]]?

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