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* In that gambit they made the {{Memento|Maguffin}} Necklace and chose 2 guys ta random. [[IAmLegion They would then disguise themselves as a woman called]] [[LouisCypher Annabella]] and lure them both to an inaccessible island infested with monsters string them along in the process. Then two would date one of the guys each, tossing the necklace back and forth until they both proposed. # days later both would then [[FakeingTheDead Fake The Dead]] and give them the actual necklace and a copy that would disappear over time creating the illusion that Nick had took the necklace when in reality no one took anything. Last in their grief they would mourn their LostLenore that they never really have while the Cannibelles would feast on their tears or use them as makeup or something. The end result is a tragic love triangle between 2 sad and bitter men and an army of sadistic succubi...And no one would be the wiser. Except maybe the hero, but the game will only let you repeat the quests [[XanatosGambit causing a sort of negative (or positive depending on interpretation) feedback loop and an endless feast for the Cannibelles until both men die unaware hat they have been lied to, cheated on, and over cheated by a bunch of demons.]]

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* In that gambit they made the {{Memento|Maguffin}} {{Memento|Macguffin}} Necklace and chose 2 guys ta random. [[IAmLegion They would then disguise themselves as a woman called]] [[LouisCypher Annabella]] and lure them both to an inaccessible island infested with monsters string them along in the process. Then two would date one of the guys each, tossing the necklace back and forth until they both proposed. # 3 days later both would then [[FakeingTheDead Fake The Dead]] and give them the actual necklace and a copy that would disappear over time creating the illusion that Nick had took the necklace when in reality no one took anything. Last in their grief they would mourn their LostLenore [[TheLostLenore Lost Lenore]] that they never really have while the Cannibelles would feast on their tears or use them as makeup or something. The end result is a tragic love triangle between 2 sad and bitter men and an army of sadistic succubi...And no one would be the wiser. Except maybe the hero, but the game will only let you repeat the quests [[XanatosGambit causing a sort of negative (or positive depending on interpretation) feedback loop and an endless feast for the Cannibelles until both men die unaware hat they have been lied to, cheated on, and over cheated by a bunch of demons.]]
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* The Cannibelles: as per the the bestiary entry they are sadist who would kill or make miserable hapless travelers to satisfy their vanity. They are also {{Palette Swap}}s of [[{{Yandere}} Morag]], A woman who screwed over a noble knight and turned him into a zombie forever separating him from his crush just so that ''she'' could have him.

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* The Cannibelles: as per the the bestiary entry they are sadist who would kill or make miserable hapless travelers to satisfy their vanity. They are also {{Palette Swap}}s of [[{{Yandere}} Morag]], A woman who screwed over a noble knight and turned him into a zombie forever separating him from his crush just so that ''she'' could have him. On top of that she initaly wne to his kingdom just to help Yore destroy it.
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* The Slugy Betsies: the "Eye For Trouble" extension to their entry states that in spite of their hideous form they care for other monsters/lifeforms and like the Cannibelles, are a PaletteSwap of an earlier female boss: [[IJustWantToHaveFriends Larstastnaras]] who only caused trouble when she ate the [[ForbiddenFruit fygg]] and seemed genuinely remorseful when the hero knocked her into her senses.

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* The Slugy Betsies: the "Eye For Trouble" extension to their entry states that in spite of their hideous form they care for for other monsters/lifeforms and like the Cannibelles, are a PaletteSwap of an earlier female boss: [[IJustWantToHaveFriends Larstastnaras]] who only caused trouble when she ate the [[ForbiddenFruit fygg]] and seemed genuinely remorseful when the hero knocked her into her senses.



* Conclusion: I think that in light of this they are an {{Inver|tedTrope}}sion of BeautyEqualsGoodness.

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* Conclusion: I think that in light of this they (and by extension the aforementioned bosses) are an {{Inver|tedTrope}}sion of BeautyEqualsGoodness.
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[[Related to the two above guesses. Cannibelles and Slugy Betsies are {{Foil}}s]]

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[[Related [[WMG: Related to the two above guesses. Cannibelles and Slugy Betsies are {{Foil}}s]]



* The Cannibelles: as per the the bestiary entry they are sadist who would kill or make miserable hapless travelers to satisfy their vanity. They are also {{Pallete Swap}}s of [[{{Yandere}} Morag]], A woman who screwed over a noble night and turned him into a zombie forever separating him from his crush just so that ''she'' could have him.
* The Slugy Betsies: the "Eye For Trouble" extension to their entry states that in spite of their hideous form they care for other monsters/lifeforms and like the Cannibelles, are a PallateSwap of an earlier female boss: [[IJustWantToHaveFriends Larstastnaras]] who only caused trouble when she ate the [[ForbiddenFruit fygg]] and seemed genuinely remorseful when the hero knocked her into her senses.
* Both: They are both pallate swaps of bosses found ether in high level grottoes or areas only accessible by [[CoolTrain Starflight]] [[GlobalAirship Express]]

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* The Cannibelles: as per the the bestiary entry they are sadist who would kill or make miserable hapless travelers to satisfy their vanity. They are also {{Pallete {{Palette Swap}}s of [[{{Yandere}} Morag]], A woman who screwed over a noble night knight and turned him into a zombie forever separating him from his crush just so that ''she'' could have him.
* The Slugy Betsies: the "Eye For Trouble" extension to their entry states that in spite of their hideous form they care for for other monsters/lifeforms and like the Cannibelles, are a PallateSwap PaletteSwap of an earlier female boss: [[IJustWantToHaveFriends Larstastnaras]] who only caused trouble when she ate the [[ForbiddenFruit fygg]] and seemed genuinely remorseful when the hero knocked her into her senses.
* Both: They are both pallate palette swaps of bosses found ether in high level grottoes or areas only accessible by [[CoolTrain Starflight]] [[GlobalAirship Express]]
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[[Related to the two above guesses. Cannibelles and Slugy Betsies are {{Foil}}s]]
Let's compare and contrast shall we:
* The Cannibelles: as per the the bestiary entry they are sadist who would kill or make miserable hapless travelers to satisfy their vanity. They are also {{Pallete Swap}}s of [[{{Yandere}} Morag]], A woman who screwed over a noble night and turned him into a zombie forever separating him from his crush just so that ''she'' could have him.
* The Slugy Betsies: the "Eye For Trouble" extension to their entry states that in spite of their hideous form they care for other monsters/lifeforms and like the Cannibelles, are a PallateSwap of an earlier female boss: [[IJustWantToHaveFriends Larstastnaras]] who only caused trouble when she ate the [[ForbiddenFruit fygg]] and seemed genuinely remorseful when the hero knocked her into her senses.
* Both: They are both pallate swaps of bosses found ether in high level grottoes or areas only accessible by [[CoolTrain Starflight]] [[GlobalAirship Express]]
* Conclusion: I think that in light of this they are an {{Inver|tedTrope}}sion of BeautyEqualsGoodness.
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* In that gambit they made the {{Memento|Maguffin}} Necklace and chose 2 guys ta random. [[IAmLegion They would then disguise themselves as a woman called]] [[LouisCypher Annabella]] and lure them both to an inaccessible island infested with monsters string them along in the process. Then two would date one of the guys each, tossing the necklace back and forth until they both proposed. # days later both would then [[FakeingTheDead Fake The Dead]] and give them the actual necklace and a copy that would disappear over time creating the illusion that Nick had took the necklace when in reality no one took anything. Last in their grief they would mourn their LostLenore that they never really have while the Cannibelles would feast on their tears or use them as makeup or something. The end result is a tragic love triangles between 2 sad men and an army of sadistic succubi...
* ...And no one would be the wiser Except maybe the hero, but the game will only let you repeat the quests [[XanatosGambit causing a sort of negative (or positive depending on interpretation) feedback loop and an endless feast for the Cannibelles until both men die unaware hat they have been lied to, cheated on, and over cheated by a bunch of demons.]]

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* In that gambit they made the {{Memento|Maguffin}} Necklace and chose 2 guys ta random. [[IAmLegion They would then disguise themselves as a woman called]] [[LouisCypher Annabella]] and lure them both to an inaccessible island infested with monsters string them along in the process. Then two would date one of the guys each, tossing the necklace back and forth until they both proposed. # days later both would then [[FakeingTheDead Fake The Dead]] and give them the actual necklace and a copy that would disappear over time creating the illusion that Nick had took the necklace when in reality no one took anything. Last in their grief they would mourn their LostLenore that they never really have while the Cannibelles would feast on their tears or use them as makeup or something. The end result is a tragic love triangles triangle between 2 sad and bitter men and an army of sadistic succubi...
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succubi...And no one would be the wiser wiser. Except maybe the hero, but the game will only let you repeat the quests [[XanatosGambit causing a sort of negative (or positive depending on interpretation) feedback loop and an endless feast for the Cannibelles until both men die unaware hat they have been lied to, cheated on, and over cheated by a bunch of demons.]]
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[[WMG: Extending on the above, Cannibelles were responsible for the sadness of Nicholas and that other guy.]]
Their bestiary entry states that they think tears of sorrow would make then beautiful. This is how ThisTroper thinks they did it.
* In that gambit they made the {{Memento|Maguffin}} Necklace and chose 2 guys ta random. [[IAmLegion They would then disguise themselves as a woman called]] [[LouisCypher Annabella]] and lure them both to an inaccessible island infested with monsters string them along in the process. Then two would date one of the guys each, tossing the necklace back and forth until they both proposed. # days later both would then [[FakeingTheDead Fake The Dead]] and give them the actual necklace and a copy that would disappear over time creating the illusion that Nick had took the necklace when in reality no one took anything. Last in their grief they would mourn their LostLenore that they never really have while the Cannibelles would feast on their tears or use them as makeup or something. The end result is a tragic love triangles between 2 sad men and an army of sadistic succubi...
* ...And no one would be the wiser Except maybe the hero, but the game will only let you repeat the quests [[XanatosGambit causing a sort of negative (or positive depending on interpretation) feedback loop and an endless feast for the Cannibelles until both men die unaware hat they have been lied to, cheated on, and over cheated by a bunch of demons.]]
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* Worth noting that the ability itself was localized as [[RhymesOnADime Jack's Knack]]. Make of that what you will.
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[[spoiler: saddened by the fact that Celestria turned herself into a tree, He'd hit the DespairEventHorizon and [[DrivenToSuicide decided to split himself into 10 pieces]] [[SealedEvilInACan you know]] [[BonusDungeon what happens]] [[BonusBoss next.]]]]

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[[spoiler: saddened by the fact that Celestria turned herself into a tree, He'd hit the DespairEventHorizon and [[DrivenToSuicide decided to split himself into 10 pieces]] pieces.]] [[SealedEvilInACan you You know]] [[BonusDungeon what happens]] [[BonusBoss next.afterwards.]]]]
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** My my, that's just crazy enough to be true!

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** My my, that's just crazy enough to be true!true!

[[WMG: Zenus [[spoiler: split himself into 10 PiecesOfGod on ''purpose'']]]]
[[spoiler: saddened by the fact that Celestria turned herself into a tree, He'd hit the DespairEventHorizon and [[DrivenToSuicide decided to split himself into 10 pieces]] [[SealedEvilInACan you know]] [[BonusDungeon what happens]] [[BonusBoss next.]]]]
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[[WMG: Coffinwell tells the origin story of [[{{Touhou}} Hina Kagiyama]].]]

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[[WMG: Coffinwell tells the origin story of [[{{Touhou}} [[VideoGame/{{Touhou}} Hina Kagiyama]].]]
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* Think about it. Zenus argued that humanity was too inherently sinful and needed to be "restarted", so to speak. TheEmpire is shown to have been 99.9% made up of {{Complete Monster}}s who considered crossing the MoralEventHorizon a daily past time. Plus, he was probably ''very'' pissed off over [[spoiler:what they did to Corvus, and what they ended up turning him into.]]

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* Think about it. Zenus argued that humanity was too inherently sinful and needed to be "restarted", so to speak. TheEmpire is shown to have been 99.9% made up of {{Complete Monster}}s people who considered crossing the MoralEventHorizon a daily past time. Plus, he was probably ''very'' pissed off over [[spoiler:what they did to Corvus, and what they ended up turning him into.]]
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[[WMG: Conversely, the human [[PlayerMooks party members]] are {{Persona}}-esque figments of the main character's imagination.]]

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[[WMG: Conversely, the human [[PlayerMooks party members]] are {{Persona}}-esque ''VideoGame/{{Persona}}''-esque figments of the main character's imagination.]]
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* Even if the hero dies; his soul still wanders with the party; that's why the World Tree Leaves work; this still allows the affect to be active.

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* Even if If the hero dies; his their soul still wanders with remains hovering in the party; that's parties area (this is why the World Tree Leaves work; work) and their lack of consciousness transfers this still allows state temporarily to the affect to be active.
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* But if your hero dies, [=NPCs=] will react to the others (The most apparent is the baths in Gleeba, particularly with an opposite sex 2nd and you are told to leave them behind once in the story (which you shouldn't need to do if only you can see them).
[[WMG: Conversely, the human [[PlayerMooks party members]] are [[Persona]]-esque figments of the main character's imagination.]]

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* But Even if your the hero dies, [=NPCs=] will react to the others (The most apparent is the baths in Gleeba, particularly dies; his soul still wanders with an opposite sex 2nd and you are told to leave them behind once in the story (which you shouldn't need party; that's why the World Tree Leaves work; this still allows the affect to do if only you can see them).
be active.

[[WMG: Conversely, the human [[PlayerMooks party members]] are [[Persona]]-esque {{Persona}}-esque figments of the main character's imagination.]]
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the namespace.


Of old age, accident, whatever. Everyone else reverts when they get killed, afterall.

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Of old age, accident, whatever. Everyone else reverts when they get killed, afterall.
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Think about it.

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Think about it.
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* The fact that she can come ''back'' at will from where souls go to check on Dr. Phlegming from time to time definitely suggests she gained power and authority in death that most souls do not receive. (Even Nodolph said that nobody ever comes back.)

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* The fact that she can come ''back'' at will from where souls go to check on Dr. Phlegming from time to time definitely suggests she gained power and authority in death that most souls do not receive. (Even Nodolph said that nobody ever comes back.)
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She took over for Zenus, but the Church itself is a SaintlyChurch, so she kept it the same besides the new symbol.

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She took over for Zenus, but the Church itself is a SaintlyChurch, so she kept it the same besides the new symbol.



** Hey, kinda like how everybody called the Hero from DragonQuestVIII "Guv'" and people thought THAT was his name, eh?

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** Hey, kinda like how everybody called the Hero from DragonQuestVIII VideoGame/DragonQuestVIII "Guv'" and people thought THAT was his name, eh?
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* This is what I named him, but I didn't realize the [[FridgeBrilliance Fridge Brilliance]] behind it until later. First of all, every Celestrian that has a name is named after a constellation representing a bird who's personality is similar to theirs. Leo is a constellation that represents a lion, which is decidedly un-bird like, foreshadowing his loss of wings. Also, the star sign Leo is probably the one most fitting of a hero, as they tend to be brave and have a strong sense of justice. Since this game is big on [[MeaningfulName Meaningful Names]], I reckon this is the most fitting title for the male hero. [[YourMileageMayVary YMMV]], though.

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* This is what I named him, but I didn't realize the [[FridgeBrilliance Fridge Brilliance]] behind it until later. First of all, every Celestrian that has a name is named after a constellation representing a bird who's personality is similar to theirs. Leo is a constellation that represents a lion, which is decidedly un-bird like, foreshadowing his loss of wings. Also, the star sign Leo is probably the one most fitting of a hero, as they tend to be brave and have a strong sense of justice. Since this game is big on [[MeaningfulName Meaningful Names]], I reckon this is the most fitting title for the male hero. [[YourMileageMayVary YMMV]], though.

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[[WMG: Conversely, the human [[PlayerMooks party members]] are [[Persona]]-esque figments of the main character's imagination.]]
* See the above reasoning.
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[[WMG: The Hero will turn back into an Angel when he dies.]]

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[[WMG: The Hero will turn back into an Angel when he s/he dies.]]
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** Notable also that it's in the style of the 'Rusty' (i.e Erdrick) equipment, yet when the ghost in Stornway castle gives you a Hero Spear as a quest reward, it's in perfect condition. He's also old enough to be familiar with the alchemist buried in Brigadoom.
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* Then why do they stick around if you die?
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[[WMG: PC/Erinn is a foil to Crovus/Serena]]
* Serena and Erinn both look after their guardians once they take them in. And PC/Crovus help them out, or at least try to. Puts a different spin on PC/Erinn's relationship, and the LesYay implications if female.

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\n** This is technically true, but it wouldn't be a secret to anyone. Celestrians don't have parents in the same way humans do. They were all created by Zenus, so they're all brothers and sisters. ([[spoiler:Aquila]] and [[spoiler:Pavo]] call each other Brother and Sister specifically because they're "twins," created at exactly the same time.)

[[WMG: PC/Erinn is a foil to Crovus/Serena]]
Corvus/Serena]]
* Serena and Erinn both look after their guardians once they take them in. And PC/Crovus PC/Corvus help them out, or at least try to. Puts a different spin on PC/Erinn's relationship, and the LesYay implications if female.
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** Callisto Lyra ''does'' roll off the tongue rather nicely.
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[[WMG: The Hero will turn back into an Angel when he dies.]]
Of old age, accident, whatever. Everyone else reverts when they get killed, afterall.
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Be nice.


* Gee CaptainObvious, you really think so?

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* Gee CaptainObvious, you really think so?
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[[WMG: The hero's ''full'' name is...]]
* Leonardo Cygnus (Male)
* Callisto Lyra (Female)
** Now who was it that said you can't combine the theories of two different WMG's?
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* Gee CaptainObvious, you really think so?
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[[WMG: Jack of Alltrades is a sage.]]
Think about it.

Jack is a holy man with the ability to change a person's vocation. The ability to change a character's vocation is a sage ability called "Voice of Vocation". The reason he's the only one who can do this is because the vocation itself is so rare (gotta finds that sentient book, remember?)
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** Isn't Cygnus one of the two Guardians of Stornway?
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** Hey, kinda like how everybody called the Hero from DragonQuestVIII "Guv'" and people thought THAT was his name, eh?

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