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The Crestfallen Warrior mention's New Londo as having once been an undead city. [[spoiler: This likely means that New Londo was built by undead, specifically to house the undead on their own terms Gwyn was still alive when the city was thriving and personally granted its leaders a portion of his own power. This means the curse of undeath has been around for over a thousand years and there has been no mention of it vanishing for a point and time when Gwyn sacrificed himself to rekindle the flame, which should is very telling. Kindling the fire has absolutely nothing to do with the Darksign.]]
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The Crestfallen Warrior mention's New Londo as having once been an undead city. [[spoiler: This likely means that New Londo was built by undead, specifically to house the undead on their own terms terms. Gwyn was still alive when the city was thriving and personally granted its leaders a portion of his own power. This means the curse of undeath has been around for over a thousand years and there has been no mention of it vanishing for a point and time when Gwyn sacrificed himself to rekindle the flame, which should is very telling. Kindling the fire has absolutely nothing to do with the Darksign.]]
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** If on payed very close attention, this is a pretty major inconsistency with Frampt claiming relinking the Flame would cure the Darksign- after all, the curse first appeared after the flame began to burn and the dragons were vanquished, but before Gwyn went to link the fire, and yet Gwyn's linking did nothing, and is a (very sneaky) clue that Frampt is lying.
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It's relatively simple. Either Yurt took him out, the Demon's Souls character, or Mephistopheles herself. Barring that, he may have just been killed by clerics.
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It's relatively simple. Either Yurt took him out, the Demon's Souls character, or Mephistopheles herself. Barring that, he may have just been killed by clerics.clerics.
[[WMG: The First Flame has absolutely nothing to do with the Darksign and its curse of undeath.]]
The Crestfallen Warrior mention's New Londo as having once been an undead city. [[spoiler: This likely means that New Londo was built by undead, specifically to house the undead on their own terms Gwyn was still alive when the city was thriving and personally granted its leaders a portion of his own power. This means the curse of undeath has been around for over a thousand years and there has been no mention of it vanishing for a point and time when Gwyn sacrificed himself to rekindle the flame, which should is very telling. Kindling the fire has absolutely nothing to do with the Darksign.]]
[[WMG: The First Flame has absolutely nothing to do with the Darksign and its curse of undeath.]]
The Crestfallen Warrior mention's New Londo as having once been an undead city. [[spoiler: This likely means that New Londo was built by undead, specifically to house the undead on their own terms Gwyn was still alive when the city was thriving and personally granted its leaders a portion of his own power. This means the curse of undeath has been around for over a thousand years and there has been no mention of it vanishing for a point and time when Gwyn sacrificed himself to rekindle the flame, which should is very telling. Kindling the fire has absolutely nothing to do with the Darksign.]]
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Admittedly, there isn't much evidence one way or another to determine the character's moral outlook in-game, but it's possible that his experience mirrors that of many pro-Darkness players. For most of his tenure, it was easy for him to view the world as BlackAndWhiteMorality: the PowersThatBe in Anor Londo were good, and the monsters outside of Anor Londo, particularly the Darkwraiths and other dark servants against which his sword specializes, were evil. Then for one reason or another, Artorias arrives in New Londo where he discovers the lengths to which Gwyn and his forces are willing to go in order to hold onto their power. Artorias experiences a HeroicBSOD when Darkstalker Kaathe contacts him and convinces him that the right thing to do is to side with the creatures of the abyss and combat the rogue Darkwraiths wandering new Londo who betrayed Kaathe. The forces of light branded him a heretic who made a DealWithTheDevil and struck him down, leaving the Great Grey Wolf Sif his only remaining ally in the material world.
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Admittedly, there isn't much evidence one way or another to determine the character's moral outlook in-game, but it's possible that his experience mirrors that of many pro-Darkness players. For most of his tenure, it was easy for him to view the world as BlackAndWhiteMorality: the PowersThatBe in Anor Londo were good, and the monsters outside of Anor Londo, particularly the Darkwraiths and other dark servants against which his sword specializes, were evil. Then for one reason or another, Artorias arrives in New Londo where he discovers the lengths to which Gwyn and his forces are willing to go in order to hold onto their power. Artorias experiences a HeroicBSOD when Darkstalker Kaathe contacts him and convinces him that the right thing to do is to side with the creatures of the abyss and combat the rogue Darkwraiths wandering new Londo who betrayed Kaathe. The forces of light branded him a heretic who made a DealWithTheDevil and struck him down, leaving the Great Grey Wolf Sif his only remaining ally in the material world.world.
[[WMG: Patches is in Lordran because he was murdered by Mephistopheles' operative.]]
It's relatively simple. Either Yurt took him out, the Demon's Souls character, or Mephistopheles herself. Barring that, he may have just been killed by clerics.
[[WMG: Patches is in Lordran because he was murdered by Mephistopheles' operative.]]
It's relatively simple. Either Yurt took him out, the Demon's Souls character, or Mephistopheles herself. Barring that, he may have just been killed by clerics.
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[[spoiler: The PC becomes King Allant after the Dark Lord ending. Boletaria is Anor Londo. Without the bonfires, the Undead deteriorate until becoming Hollow becomes turning into Ghosts. Blighttown is converted into the Valley of Defilement, after the Undead Burg is razed and abandoned. The Tower of Latria is where the PC from Dark souls locks the Hollows he things he can still revert back to sanity. Shrine of Storms is where he seals the Dragon weapons, knowing that their power could be too much; the Drake sword grows weak and becomes the Stormruler. Drakes, fearful of the new Lord, run to the underground where they are worshipped; eventually, they die out save for one who becomes the 'Dragon' God after infusing itself with the power of Chaos, possibly stolen from Quelaag's sister or the remnants of the Bed of Chaos. Knowing that said Dragon God will flee if he shows up, the Dark Souls PC sets up the ballista there to ensure that the Dragon God can be put down. The Dragon God could also be the Everlasting Dragon, who was infused with the massive burst of energy the death of Quelaag, Ceaseless Discharge, and Bed of Chaos released; the process was slow, but the Everlasting Dragon eventually distorted. Maiden Astraea is one of the last priestesses of the Sun, though their true worship has long since been lost. The Giants die out, until only a few remain; the Tower Knight, who made a deal with the PC/Allant in order to survive, and the Last Hero who probably saved the PCs life sometime after Dark Souls during the whole 'establishing power' phase. The Penetrator is possible a relative of Ornstein, or a descendant of a relative. The Painted World is lost or preserved, depending on what the PC decides. Darkroot Garden is lost after the Valley of Defilement expands or Boletaria/Anor Londo expands to fit the population increase. Or, the wilderness in the Garden itself expands violently and becomes the Land of Giants. ]]
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[[spoiler: The PC becomes King Allant after the Dark Lord ending. Boletaria is Anor Londo. Without the bonfires, the Undead deteriorate until becoming Hollow becomes turning into Ghosts. Blighttown is converted into the Valley of Defilement, after the Undead Burg is razed and abandoned. The Tower of Latria is where the PC from Dark souls locks the Hollows he things he can still revert back to sanity. Shrine of Storms is where he seals the Dragon weapons, knowing that their power could be too much; the Drake sword grows weak and becomes the Stormruler. Drakes, fearful of the new Lord, run to the underground where they are worshipped; eventually, they die out save for one who becomes the 'Dragon' God after infusing itself with the power of Chaos, possibly stolen from Quelaag's sister or the remnants of the Bed of Chaos. Knowing that said Dragon God will flee if he shows up, the Dark Souls PC sets up the ballista there to ensure that the Dragon God can be put down. The Dragon God could also be the Everlasting Dragon, who was infused with the massive burst of energy the death of Quelaag, Ceaseless Discharge, and Bed of Chaos released; the process was slow, but the Everlasting Dragon eventually distorted. Maiden Astraea is one of the last priestesses of the Sun, though their true worship has long since been lost. The Giants die out, until only a few remain; the Tower Knight, who made a deal with the PC/Allant in order to survive, and the Last Hero who probably saved the PCs [=PCs=] life sometime after Dark Souls during the whole 'establishing power' phase. The Penetrator is possible a relative of Ornstein, or a descendant of a relative. The Painted World is lost or preserved, depending on what the PC decides. Darkroot Garden is lost after the Valley of Defilement expands or Boletaria/Anor Londo expands to fit the population increase. Or, the wilderness in the Garden itself expands violently and becomes the Land of Giants. ]]
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** It may be that, in this instance, [[spoiler: Solaire either knew or found out about the plan to make an Undead patsy into the new Cinder, allowing Gwyndolin to take over. As the nice guy that he is, I doubt he'd be on board for that bit of JOLLY CO-OPERATION, so he helps the Undead to fight Gwyn to let him become the Dark Lord. Or, in another way of looking at it, Gwyn is in constant burning pain, immortal unless killed and insane. Solaire may be helping the Undead to mercy kill his father.]]
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[[WMG: Conversely, Demon's Souls is the Prequel to Dark Souls.]]
From the Bad Ending of Demon's Souls[[spoiler: The Maiden in Black is slain, and the player character becomes the new Demon. The Legion of Demons, under the leadership of The Player Character, spread colorless fog across the world sucking out the souls of every living being reducing it to the grey crags and nothingness of the beginning of Dark Souls. After this, the Old One, his purpose fulfilled departs from the world becomes the engine of its rebirth by using the combined power of all of the world's souls to become the Fires(it DID look like a big old tree). If departed, then the fire is what the opening said, something that came into the world to divide things from the grey. The lands may or may not be different but given the effects of the Colorless Fog has(makes the places vanish when the Old One sleeps) and the time frame all of this would need it would not be out of the question that everything is different. The Dark Soul would be the Lord Soul of The Player Character from Demon's Souls(if all other life was extinguished I would imagine the Old One would eat him/her too). ]] I think it fits.
From the Bad Ending of Demon's Souls[[spoiler: The Maiden in Black is slain, and the player character becomes the new Demon. The Legion of Demons, under the leadership of The Player Character, spread colorless fog across the world sucking out the souls of every living being reducing it to the grey crags and nothingness of the beginning of Dark Souls. After this, the Old One, his purpose fulfilled departs from the world becomes the engine of its rebirth by using the combined power of all of the world's souls to become the Fires(it DID look like a big old tree). If departed, then the fire is what the opening said, something that came into the world to divide things from the grey. The lands may or may not be different but given the effects of the Colorless Fog has(makes the places vanish when the Old One sleeps) and the time frame all of this would need it would not be out of the question that everything is different. The Dark Soul would be the Lord Soul of The Player Character from Demon's Souls(if all other life was extinguished I would imagine the Old One would eat him/her too). ]] I think it fits.
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4. That she's alive at all implies that she's related to a member of Gwyn's court, as if she wasn't, Gwyn/Gwyndolin would have just had her killed outright for being part dragon- especially because of the Lifehunt. Seath, being Seath, managed to convince Gwyn/Gwyndolin to keep her alive but in exile, either out of genuine caring (not likely, as he's a bastard who doesn't care about anyone but himself even before he went mad), so he can run more experiments on her when he thinks of something, or just to avoid the political shitstorm her creation would have caused. The environment of the painting also suits her and complements her abilities perfectly; if Gwyn/Gwyndolin wanted to be a dick, he could have made her prison painting a river of lava, but he gives her something that she actually seems to like.
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4. That she's alive at all implies that she's related to a member of Gwyn's court, as if she wasn't, Gwyn/Gwyndolin would have just had her killed outright for being part dragon- especially because of the Lifehunt. Seath, being Seath, managed to convince Gwyn/Gwyndolin to keep her alive but in exile, either out of genuine caring (not likely, as he's a bastard who doesn't care about anyone but himself even before he went mad), so he can run more experiments on her when he thinks of something, or just to avoid the political shitstorm her creation would have caused. The environment of the painting also suits her and complements her abilities perfectly; if Gwyn/Gwyndolin wanted to be a dick, he could have made her prison painting a river of lava, but he gives her something that she actually seems to like.
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* Someone on GameFAQs theorized that Gwynevere is Priscilla's mother. This would establish a relationship between her and Gwyn's court.
* Someone on GameFAQs theorized that Gwynevere is Priscilla's mother. This would establish a relationship between her and Gwyn's court.
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[[WMG: Sir Artorias isn't a FallenHero; he's a DefectorFromDecadence]]
Admittedly, there isn't much evidence one way or another to determine the character's moral outlook in-game, but it's possible that his experience mirrors that of many pro-Darkness players. For most of his tenure, it was easy for him to view the world as BlackAndWhiteMorality: the PowersThatBe in Anor Londo were good, and the monsters outside of Anor Londo, particularly the Darkwraiths and other dark servants against which his sword specializes, were evil. Then for one reason or another, Artorias arrives in New Londo where he discovers the lengths to which Gwyn and his forces are willing to go in order to hold onto their power. Artorias experiences a HeroicBSOD when Darkstalker Kaathe contacts him and convinces him that the right thing to do is to side with the creatures of the abyss and combat the rogue Darkwraiths wandering new Londo who betrayed Kaathe. The forces of light branded him a heretic who made a DealWithTheDevil and struck him down, leaving the Great Grey Wolf Sif his only remaining ally in the material world.
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Why are Ornstein and Smough trying to kill you when you enter the cathedral? Ornstein was probably just talking to Gwynevere a minute ago; he jumps down from the balcony before the fight. He probably knows the score, so why would he try to kill the patsy undead if he's working for Gwyndolin? He knows that the Undead would have to kill Lord Gwyn in order to do it. Ornstein, being supremely loyal to his Lord, balked at this and tries to stop anyone from reaching Gwynevere and obtaining the Lordvessel. Ths is also why the Knights and most of the giants throughout the level are hostile; they are Ornstein's unit (with the remnants of Gough's archers) and he's going behind Gywndolin's back. The only non-hostile giants are withing a few hundred meters of the Darkmoon Firekeeper- this is so she doesn't cotton on if they start attacking some random guy unprovoked. He then bribed Smough with Astorias' vacated position on the Knights to get him to go along with it.
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Why are Ornstein and Smough trying to kill you when you enter the cathedral? Ornstein was probably just talking to Gwynevere a minute ago; he jumps down from the balcony before the fight. He probably knows the score, so why would he try to kill the patsy undead if he's working for Gwyndolin? He knows that the Undead would have to kill Lord Gwyn in order to do it. Ornstein, being supremely loyal to his Lord, balked at this and tries to stop anyone from reaching Gwynevere and obtaining the Lordvessel. Ths is also why the Knights and most of the giants throughout the level are hostile; they are Ornstein's unit (with the remnants of Gough's archers) and he's going behind Gywndolin's back. The only non-hostile giants are withing a few hundred meters of the Darkmoon Firekeeper- this is so she doesn't cotton on if they start attacking some random guy unprovoked. He then bribed Smough with Astorias' vacated position on the Knights to get him to go along with it.it.
[[WMG: Priscilla is Seath's Daughter.]]
There's no real hard evidence, but a good deal of clues and interesting similarities.
1. Same coloration: both are white dragonoids with lizard-like scales as opposed to the stone scales of the Ancient Dragons. Their tails are the same shape as well.
2. Both have ice-related powers, although Seath's have been warped by the Primordial Crystal to become more mineral-based.
3. Seath is established as an amoral monster who routinely kidnaps and experiments on people, and specifically human women. Whose to say one of his experiments wasn't creating a human/dragon hybrid child just to see what happens? This doesn't mean Priscilla is a "natural" child, for [[BrainBleach obvious]] [[HotSkittyonWailordAction logistical reasons]], but considering Seath is directly stated as being capable of creating life from scratch magically, creating a hybrid should be easy for him.
4. That she's alive at all implies that she's related to a member of Gwyn's court, as if she wasn't, Gwyn/Gwyndolin would have just had her killed outright for being part dragon- especially because of the Lifehunt. Seath, being Seath, managed to convince Gwyn/Gwyndolin to keep her alive but in exile, either out of genuine caring (not likely, as he's a bastard who doesn't care about anyone but himself even before he went mad), so he can run more experiments on her when he thinks of something, or just to avoid the political shitstorm her creation would have caused. The environment of the painting also suits her and complements her abilities perfectly; if Gwyn/Gwyndolin wanted to be a dick, he could have made her prison painting a river of lava, but he gives her something that she actually seems to like.
[[WMG: Priscilla is Seath's Daughter.]]
There's no real hard evidence, but a good deal of clues and interesting similarities.
1. Same coloration: both are white dragonoids with lizard-like scales as opposed to the stone scales of the Ancient Dragons. Their tails are the same shape as well.
2. Both have ice-related powers, although Seath's have been warped by the Primordial Crystal to become more mineral-based.
3. Seath is established as an amoral monster who routinely kidnaps and experiments on people, and specifically human women. Whose to say one of his experiments wasn't creating a human/dragon hybrid child just to see what happens? This doesn't mean Priscilla is a "natural" child, for [[BrainBleach obvious]] [[HotSkittyonWailordAction logistical reasons]], but considering Seath is directly stated as being capable of creating life from scratch magically, creating a hybrid should be easy for him.
4. That she's alive at all implies that she's related to a member of Gwyn's court, as if she wasn't, Gwyn/Gwyndolin would have just had her killed outright for being part dragon- especially because of the Lifehunt. Seath, being Seath, managed to convince Gwyn/Gwyndolin to keep her alive but in exile, either out of genuine caring (not likely, as he's a bastard who doesn't care about anyone but himself even before he went mad), so he can run more experiments on her when he thinks of something, or just to avoid the political shitstorm her creation would have caused. The environment of the painting also suits her and complements her abilities perfectly; if Gwyn/Gwyndolin wanted to be a dick, he could have made her prison painting a river of lava, but he gives her something that she actually seems to like.
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As you enter the Kiln of the First Flame, it's unlike anything you've ever experienced. Same atmosphere from the intro sequence. Notice the Black Knights come out of fog gates just like you. You can even summon Solaire for the final battle [[spoiler: if he hasn't [[DrivenToMadness gone insane,]] even though the last time you meet him he's [[DrivenToSuicide ready to keel over.]]]] And if you link the fire, [[spoiler: Gwyndolin has his plan [[XanatosGambit come to fruition.]] Gwyndolin and Frampt tricked you into causing a StableTimeLoop, so the demigods of Anor Londo can keep having the shinier grass. If you leave the fire, though, you can declare the Age of Man and enter mankind through a renaissance age.]]
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As you enter the Kiln of the First Flame, it's unlike anything you've ever experienced. Same atmosphere from the intro sequence. Notice the Black Knights come out of fog gates just like you. You can even summon Solaire for the final battle [[spoiler: if he hasn't [[DrivenToMadness gone insane,]] even though the last time you meet him he's [[DrivenToSuicide ready to keel over.]]]] And if you link the fire, [[spoiler: Gwyndolin has his plan [[XanatosGambit come to fruition.]] Gwyndolin and Frampt tricked you into causing a StableTimeLoop, so the demigods of Anor Londo can keep having the shinier grass. If you leave the fire, though, you can declare the Age of Man and enter mankind through a renaissance age.]]]]
[[WMG: Ornstein was trying to stop Gwyndolin's plan to rekindle the First Flame.]]
Why are Ornstein and Smough trying to kill you when you enter the cathedral? Ornstein was probably just talking to Gwynevere a minute ago; he jumps down from the balcony before the fight. He probably knows the score, so why would he try to kill the patsy undead if he's working for Gwyndolin? He knows that the Undead would have to kill Lord Gwyn in order to do it. Ornstein, being supremely loyal to his Lord, balked at this and tries to stop anyone from reaching Gwynevere and obtaining the Lordvessel. Ths is also why the Knights and most of the giants throughout the level are hostile; they are Ornstein's unit (with the remnants of Gough's archers) and he's going behind Gywndolin's back. The only non-hostile giants are withing a few hundred meters of the Darkmoon Firekeeper- this is so she doesn't cotton on if they start attacking some random guy unprovoked. He then bribed Smough with Astorias' vacated position on the Knights to get him to go along with it.
[[WMG: Ornstein was trying to stop Gwyndolin's plan to rekindle the First Flame.]]
Why are Ornstein and Smough trying to kill you when you enter the cathedral? Ornstein was probably just talking to Gwynevere a minute ago; he jumps down from the balcony before the fight. He probably knows the score, so why would he try to kill the patsy undead if he's working for Gwyndolin? He knows that the Undead would have to kill Lord Gwyn in order to do it. Ornstein, being supremely loyal to his Lord, balked at this and tries to stop anyone from reaching Gwynevere and obtaining the Lordvessel. Ths is also why the Knights and most of the giants throughout the level are hostile; they are Ornstein's unit (with the remnants of Gough's archers) and he's going behind Gywndolin's back. The only non-hostile giants are withing a few hundred meters of the Darkmoon Firekeeper- this is so she doesn't cotton on if they start attacking some random guy unprovoked. He then bribed Smough with Astorias' vacated position on the Knights to get him to go along with it.
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[[WMG: You go back in time to kill Lord Gwyn.]]
Posted on THE {{Imageboard}}, but has been paraphrased for obvious reasons. If this theory is correct, soapstones aren't just a handwave.
As you enter the Kiln of the First Flame, it's unlike anything you've ever experienced. Same atmosphere from the intro sequence. Notice the Black Knights come out of fog gates just like you. You can even summon Solaire for the final battle [[spoiler: if he hasn't [[DrivenToMadness gone insane,]] even though the last time you meet him he's [[DrivenToSuicide ready to keel over.]]]] And if you link the fire, [[spoiler: Gwyndolin has his plan [[XanatosGambit come to fruition.]] Gwyndolin and Frampt tricked you into causing a StableTimeLoop, so the demigods of Anor Londo can keep having the shinier grass. If you leave the fire, though, you can declare the Age of Man and enter mankind through a renaissance age.]]
[[WMG: You go back in time to kill Lord Gwyn.]]
Posted on THE {{Imageboard}}, but has been paraphrased for obvious reasons. If this theory is correct, soapstones aren't just a handwave.
As you enter the Kiln of the First Flame, it's unlike anything you've ever experienced. Same atmosphere from the intro sequence. Notice the Black Knights come out of fog gates just like you. You can even summon Solaire for the final battle [[spoiler: if he hasn't [[DrivenToMadness gone insane,]] even though the last time you meet him he's [[DrivenToSuicide ready to keel over.]]]] And if you link the fire, [[spoiler: Gwyndolin has his plan [[XanatosGambit come to fruition.]] Gwyndolin and Frampt tricked you into causing a StableTimeLoop, so the demigods of Anor Londo can keep having the shinier grass. If you leave the fire, though, you can declare the Age of Man and enter mankind through a renaissance age.]]
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[[WMG: The Knight on the cover of the US version is Artorias the Abysswalker.]]
He has Artorias' shield and sword, and unique armor that cannot be obtained in the game.
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He has Artorias' shield and sword, and unique armor that cannot be obtained in the game.
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** I thought this was confirmed anyway by putting together all the various bits and pieces of information in the game?
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[[spoiler: The PC becomes King Allant after the Dark Lord ending. Boletaria is Lordran. Without the bonfires, the Undead deteriorate until becoming Hollow becomes turning into Ghosts. Blighttown is converted into the Valley of Defilement, after the Undead Burg is razed and abandoned. The Tower of Latria is where the PC from Dark souls locks the Hollows he things he can still revert back to sanity. Shrine of Storms is where he seals the Dragon weapons, knowing that their power could be too much; the Drake sword grows weak and becomes the Stormruler. Drakes, fearful of the new Lord, run to the underground where they are worshipped; eventually, they die out save for one who becomes the 'Dragon' God after infusing itself with the power of Chaos, possibly stolen from Quelaag's sister or the remnants of the Bed of Chaos. Knowing that said Dragon God will flee if he shows up, the Dark Souls PC sets up the ballista there to ensure that the Dragon God can be put down. The Dragon God could also be the Everlasting Dragon, who was infused with the massive burst of energy the death of Quelaag, Ceaseless Discharge, and Bed of Chaos released; the process was slow, but the Everlasting Dragon eventually distorted. ]]
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Ultimately doesn't work, but it's fun to think about.
[[spoiler: The PC becomes King Allant after the Dark Lord ending. Boletaria isLordran.Anor Londo. Without the bonfires, the Undead deteriorate until becoming Hollow becomes turning into Ghosts. Blighttown is converted into the Valley of Defilement, after the Undead Burg is razed and abandoned. The Tower of Latria is where the PC from Dark souls locks the Hollows he things he can still revert back to sanity. Shrine of Storms is where he seals the Dragon weapons, knowing that their power could be too much; the Drake sword grows weak and becomes the Stormruler. Drakes, fearful of the new Lord, run to the underground where they are worshipped; eventually, they die out save for one who becomes the 'Dragon' God after infusing itself with the power of Chaos, possibly stolen from Quelaag's sister or the remnants of the Bed of Chaos. Knowing that said Dragon God will flee if he shows up, the Dark Souls PC sets up the ballista there to ensure that the Dragon God can be put down. The Dragon God could also be the Everlasting Dragon, who was infused with the massive burst of energy the death of Quelaag, Ceaseless Discharge, and Bed of Chaos released; the process was slow, but the Everlasting Dragon eventually distorted. Maiden Astraea is one of the last priestesses of the Sun, though their true worship has long since been lost. The Giants die out, until only a few remain; the Tower Knight, who made a deal with the PC/Allant in order to survive, and the Last Hero who probably saved the PCs life sometime after Dark Souls during the whole 'establishing power' phase. The Penetrator is possible a relative of Ornstein, or a descendant of a relative. The Painted World is lost or preserved, depending on what the PC decides. Darkroot Garden is lost after the Valley of Defilement expands or Boletaria/Anor Londo expands to fit the population increase. Or, the wilderness in the Garden itself expands violently and becomes the Land of Giants. ]]
[[spoiler: The PC becomes King Allant after the Dark Lord ending. Boletaria is
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Various item descriptions and such outline how Gwyndolin, due to being born under moonlight, was considered feminine and weaker than most of his family and thus was raised as a daughter. Thus as Gwyn's power was waning and the world seemed ripe for change he arranged for the release of undead to be sent on a mission to ultimate defeat Gwyn. It's implied that Gwynevere actually left Anor Londo long ago due to marriage, and so the Gwynevere in game is just a fabrication of Gwyndolin's to push him towards using the Lordvessel to relight the fire, sacrifice himself and leave things open for Gwyndolin to take over.
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Various item descriptions and such outline how Gwyndolin, due to being born under moonlight, was considered feminine and weaker than most of his family and thus was raised as a daughter. Thus as Gwyn's power was waning and the world seemed ripe for change he arranged for the release of undead to be sent on a mission to ultimate defeat Gwyn. It's implied that Gwynevere actually left Anor Londo long ago due to marriage, and so the Gwynevere in game is just a fabrication of Gwyndolin's to push him towards using the Lordvessel to relight the fire, sacrifice himself and leave things open for Gwyndolin to take over.over.
[[WMG: Dark Souls is the prequel to Demon's Souls]]
[[spoiler: The PC becomes King Allant after the Dark Lord ending. Boletaria is Lordran. Without the bonfires, the Undead deteriorate until becoming Hollow becomes turning into Ghosts. Blighttown is converted into the Valley of Defilement, after the Undead Burg is razed and abandoned. The Tower of Latria is where the PC from Dark souls locks the Hollows he things he can still revert back to sanity. Shrine of Storms is where he seals the Dragon weapons, knowing that their power could be too much; the Drake sword grows weak and becomes the Stormruler. Drakes, fearful of the new Lord, run to the underground where they are worshipped; eventually, they die out save for one who becomes the 'Dragon' God after infusing itself with the power of Chaos, possibly stolen from Quelaag's sister or the remnants of the Bed of Chaos. Knowing that said Dragon God will flee if he shows up, the Dark Souls PC sets up the ballista there to ensure that the Dragon God can be put down. The Dragon God could also be the Everlasting Dragon, who was infused with the massive burst of energy the death of Quelaag, Ceaseless Discharge, and Bed of Chaos released; the process was slow, but the Everlasting Dragon eventually distorted. ]]
Of course, we all know how Demon's Souls ends up...
[[WMG: Dark Souls is the prequel to Demon's Souls]]
[[spoiler: The PC becomes King Allant after the Dark Lord ending. Boletaria is Lordran. Without the bonfires, the Undead deteriorate until becoming Hollow becomes turning into Ghosts. Blighttown is converted into the Valley of Defilement, after the Undead Burg is razed and abandoned. The Tower of Latria is where the PC from Dark souls locks the Hollows he things he can still revert back to sanity. Shrine of Storms is where he seals the Dragon weapons, knowing that their power could be too much; the Drake sword grows weak and becomes the Stormruler. Drakes, fearful of the new Lord, run to the underground where they are worshipped; eventually, they die out save for one who becomes the 'Dragon' God after infusing itself with the power of Chaos, possibly stolen from Quelaag's sister or the remnants of the Bed of Chaos. Knowing that said Dragon God will flee if he shows up, the Dark Souls PC sets up the ballista there to ensure that the Dragon God can be put down. The Dragon God could also be the Everlasting Dragon, who was infused with the massive burst of energy the death of Quelaag, Ceaseless Discharge, and Bed of Chaos released; the process was slow, but the Everlasting Dragon eventually distorted. ]]
Of course, we all know how Demon's Souls ends up...
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** The two spheres on either side of the Bed of Chaos are two of her daughters. If we assume Ceaseless Discharge is a daughter for the reasons below, all seven daughters from the prologue are accounted for: The two half-spiders, Quelana, the eldest daughter defending the Bed of Chaos (this pyromancer uses a spell specifically stated by Quelana to be the specialty of her eldest sister), the Bed's spheres, and the Ceaseless Discharge.
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** The two spheres on either side of the Bed of Chaos are two of her daughters. If we assume Ceaseless Discharge is a daughter for the reasons below, above, all seven daughters from the prologue are accounted for: The two half-spiders, Quelana, the eldest daughter defending the Bed of Chaos (this pyromancer uses a spell specifically stated by Quelana to be the specialty of her eldest sister), the Bed's spheres, and the Ceaseless Discharge.
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** The two spheres on either side of the Bed of Chaos are two of her daughters. If we assume Ceaseless Discharge is a daughter for the reasons below, all seven daughters from the prologue are accounted for: The two half-spiders, Quelana, the eldest daughter defending the Bed of Chaos (this pyromancer uses a spell specifically stated by Quelana to be the specialty of her eldest sister), the Bed's spheres, and the Ceaseless Discharge.
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** That may be because you're fighting alongside his phantom and not Solaire himself. Or maybe Solaire knows the situation.
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* If you find a way to save him, he'll also [[spoiler: help you kill Gwyn. This doesn't makes sense from a story perspective, as Gwyn is the living embodiment of the sun even more so than his firstborn, unless one sees it as him taking vengeance against his father. ]]
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The shrine that you take the gold-hemmed robes from is the shrine to the Witch of Izalith. The clothes state in their description that they once belonged to the witch. Ceaseless Discharge watches over the shrine and will only attack you if you hit her or violate the shrine by stealing the robes. When you do this she will attack you in such a rage that she won't even notice the gaping hole in the floor that she can fall into.
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The shrine that you take the gold-hemmed robes from is the shrine to the Witch of Izalith. The clothes state in their description that they once belonged to the witch. Ceaseless Discharge watches over the shrine and will only attack you if you hit her or violate the shrine by stealing the robes. When you do this she will attack you in such a rage that she won't even notice the gaping hole in the floor that she can fall into.into.
[[WMG: The main events of the game and the fire ending are all a plot set up by Gwyndolin to succeed his father.]]
Various item descriptions and such outline how Gwyndolin, due to being born under moonlight, was considered feminine and weaker than most of his family and thus was raised as a daughter. Thus as Gwyn's power was waning and the world seemed ripe for change he arranged for the release of undead to be sent on a mission to ultimate defeat Gwyn. It's implied that Gwynevere actually left Anor Londo long ago due to marriage, and so the Gwynevere in game is just a fabrication of Gwyndolin's to push him towards using the Lordvessel to relight the fire, sacrifice himself and leave things open for Gwyndolin to take over.
[[WMG: The main events of the game and the fire ending are all a plot set up by Gwyndolin to succeed his father.]]
Various item descriptions and such outline how Gwyndolin, due to being born under moonlight, was considered feminine and weaker than most of his family and thus was raised as a daughter. Thus as Gwyn's power was waning and the world seemed ripe for change he arranged for the release of undead to be sent on a mission to ultimate defeat Gwyn. It's implied that Gwynevere actually left Anor Londo long ago due to marriage, and so the Gwynevere in game is just a fabrication of Gwyndolin's to push him towards using the Lordvessel to relight the fire, sacrifice himself and leave things open for Gwyndolin to take over.
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[[WMG: Ceaseless Discharge is another daughter of chaos, more ghoulishly transformed than her sisters.]]
The shrine that you take the gold-hemmed robes from is the shrine to the Witch of Izalith. The clothes state in their description that they once belonged to the witch. Ceaseless Discharge watches over the shrine and will only attack you if you hit her or violate the shrine by stealing the robes. When you do this she will attack you in such a rage that she won't even notice the gaping hole in the floor that she can fall into.
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* It's true that the fur''tive'' pigmy isn't in the game in person, but he does come up in a major way. [[spoiler:He was your ancestor and that fourth Lord Soul he found was the Dark Soul. The Dark Soul is destined to bring about an end to the Age of Fire and is passed through the bloodline, meaning your player character now possesses it. In truth the furtive pygmy himself, unlike Gwyn, Nito and the Witch of Izalith, did not matter. What mattered was what he found.]]
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* It's true that the fur''tive'' furtive pigmy isn't in the game in person, but he does come up in a major way. [[spoiler:He was your ancestor and that fourth Lord Soul he found was the Dark Soul. The Dark Soul is destined to bring about an end to the Age of Fire and is passed through the bloodline, meaning your player character now possesses it. In truth the furtive pygmy himself, unlike Gwyn, Nito and the Witch of Izalith, did not matter. What mattered was what he found.]]
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* It's true that the fur''tive'' pigmy isn't in the game in person, but he does come up in a major way. [[spoiler:He was your ancestor and that fourth Lord Soul he found was the Dark Soul. The Dark Soul is destined to bring about an end to the Age of Fire and is passed through the bloodline, meaning your player character now possesses it. In truth the furtive pygmy himself, unlike Gwyn, Nito and the Witch of Izalith, did not matter. What mattered was what he found.]]
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He has a good knowledge of the time ripples of Lordran, has the ability to induct you into the Warriors of Sunlight, refers to the Sun as a father, came to Lordran (Gwyn's domain) in order to find his Sun, and the Sunlight Medals he loves to give out refer to the first-born.
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He has a good knowledge of the time ripples of Lordran, has the ability to induct you into the Warriors of Sunlight, refers to likens the Sun as to a father, came to Lordran (Gwyn's domain) in order to find his Sun, and the Sunlight Medals he loves to give out refer to the first-born.first-born as alive and still watching over his warriors.
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There have been no screen shots, the very comprehensive Future Press guide doesn't mention anything about him and all the claims about players finding him have yet to be backed up with evidence. The pendent and the Pygmy are just a wild goose chase.
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There have been no screen shots, the very comprehensive Future Press guide doesn't mention anything about him and all the claims about players finding him have yet to be backed up with evidence. The pendent and the Pygmy are just a wild goose chase.chase.
[[WMG: Knight Solaire of Astora is the dethroned and humanized first-born of Gwyn and founder of the Warriors of Sunlight.]]
He has a good knowledge of the time ripples of Lordran, has the ability to induct you into the Warriors of Sunlight, refers to the Sun as a father, came to Lordran (Gwyn's domain) in order to find his Sun, and the Sunlight Medals he loves to give out refer to the first-born.
[[WMG: Knight Solaire of Astora is the dethroned and humanized first-born of Gwyn and founder of the Warriors of Sunlight.]]
He has a good knowledge of the time ripples of Lordran, has the ability to induct you into the Warriors of Sunlight, refers to the Sun as a father, came to Lordran (Gwyn's domain) in order to find his Sun, and the Sunlight Medals he loves to give out refer to the first-born.
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* That actually sounds like it would apply more to DemonsSouls, where a colorless fog is explicitly mentioned, just like in Lost Kingdoms.
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Ast[raea] <==> Reah. They're pretty much pronounced the same way.
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Ast[raea] <==> Reah. They're pretty much pronounced the same way.way.
[[WMG: The Furtive Pygmy isn't actually in the game.]]
There have been no screen shots, the very comprehensive Future Press guide doesn't mention anything about him and all the claims about players finding him have yet to be backed up with evidence. The pendent and the Pygmy are just a wild goose chase.
[[WMG: The Furtive Pygmy isn't actually in the game.]]
There have been no screen shots, the very comprehensive Future Press guide doesn't mention anything about him and all the claims about players finding him have yet to be backed up with evidence. The pendent and the Pygmy are just a wild goose chase.
