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31st Aug '17 1:57:17 PM HalcyonDayz
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* '''Zer0''': The ultimate Big Bad. What is his goal? To open ALL the vaults. At once. Why?

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* '''Zer0''': '''[=Zer0=]''': The ultimate Big Bad. What is his goal? To open ALL the vaults. At once. Why?



* I hate to shoot this down, but I don't think this will be likely -- after all, both sets of Vault Hunters are basically good -- [[BlackAndGreyMorality at least, compared to the Bandits and Atlas/Hyperion]] -- and fans would probably riot if they turned into the FiveBadBand of the next game. That said, since [[spoiler:Lilith and Brick [[FakeDefector secretly became leaders of Bandit tribes to keep them in check]], it may be possible the New Vault Hunters would do the same thing, using these personas as their cover, and may oppose the new players as an UpToEleven TricksterMentor.]]. Admittedly, if one of them would pull a FaceHeelTurn, it would DEFINITELY be Zer0, literally because he has the least backstory and the most... [[AmbiguouslyEvil "questionable" moral code]].

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* I hate to shoot this down, but I don't think this will be likely -- after all, both sets of Vault Hunters are basically good -- [[BlackAndGreyMorality at least, compared to the Bandits and Atlas/Hyperion]] -- and fans would probably riot if they turned into the FiveBadBand of the next game. That said, since [[spoiler:Lilith and Brick [[FakeDefector secretly became leaders of Bandit tribes to keep them in check]], it may be possible the New Vault Hunters would do the same thing, using these personas as their cover, and may oppose the new players as an UpToEleven TricksterMentor.]]. Admittedly, if one of them would pull a FaceHeelTurn, it would DEFINITELY be Zer0, [=Zer0=], literally because he has the least backstory and the most... [[AmbiguouslyEvil "questionable" moral code]].



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* To elaborate: Zer0 is clearly after the Vault, but seems to go about it subliminally: he makes the line referring to the Vault before anyone else in the bar mentions it - and when it is mentioned by the panicking bartender, Zer0 seems to take the news like he's hearing it for the first time. Either as a [[RidiculouslyHumanRobot robot]], [[HumanAlien or as an alien]] ([[TakeAThirdOption perhaps]] [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot both?]]), it seems he's [[ManchurianAgent "programmed"]] to find the Vault, [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide "complete the challenge"]] there, and go after any other "challenge" between him and the Vault: on [[DeathWorld Pandora]], [[EverythingTryingToKillYou there are certainly plenty of "challenges" to go around]]. I think the Eridians were hoping, between the body piles of [[StupidEvil Bandits]], Creatures, and [[MegaCorp Hyperion employees]], Zer0 would legitimately mop up the chaotic elements of the planet, and restore Pandora to a greater degree of peace.
* This troper believes Zer0 is a robot, not because he has three fingers and a thumb, not because there's a number in his name like so many other fictitious robots from sci-fi franchises, not because he speaks in ''haiku'' (a form of poetry whose symmetry a robot would no doubt find gratifying), but simply because, unlike his fellow Vault Hunters, he doesn't pant or wheeze after sprinting for long distances in-game.

[[WMG:Zer0 is a [[Series/DoctorWho Time Lord]].]]

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* To elaborate: Zer0 [=Zer0=] is clearly after the Vault, but seems to go about it subliminally: he makes the line referring to the Vault before anyone else in the bar mentions it - and when it is mentioned by the panicking bartender, Zer0 [=Zer0=] seems to take the news like he's hearing it for the first time. Either as a [[RidiculouslyHumanRobot robot]], [[HumanAlien or as an alien]] ([[TakeAThirdOption perhaps]] [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot both?]]), it seems he's [[ManchurianAgent "programmed"]] to find the Vault, [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide "complete the challenge"]] there, and go after any other "challenge" between him and the Vault: on [[DeathWorld Pandora]], [[EverythingTryingToKillYou there are certainly plenty of "challenges" to go around]]. I think the Eridians were hoping, between the body piles of [[StupidEvil Bandits]], Creatures, and [[MegaCorp Hyperion employees]], Zer0 [=Zer0=] would legitimately mop up the chaotic elements of the planet, and restore Pandora to a greater degree of peace.
* This troper believes Zer0 [=Zer0=] is a robot, not because he has three fingers and a thumb, not because there's a number in his name like so many other fictitious robots from sci-fi franchises, not because he speaks in ''haiku'' (a form of poetry whose symmetry a robot would no doubt find gratifying), but simply because, unlike his fellow Vault Hunters, he doesn't pant or wheeze after sprinting for long distances in-game.

[[WMG:Zer0 [[WMG:[=Zer0=] is a [[Series/DoctorWho Time Lord]].]]



[[WMG:Zer0 is either a robot or an alien.]]

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[[WMG:Zer0 [[WMG:[=Zer0=] is either a robot or an alien.]]



[[WMG:Zer0 is an Eridian survivor]]

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[[WMG:Zer0 [[WMG:[=Zer0=] is an Eridian survivor]]



** This troper believes that Zer0 is an incomplete human/Eridian hybrid. He has a fully human body, salvaged from the dead body of an unlucky astronaut, but with Eridian implants to make him an Badass killing machine. However, the aliens couldn't find some of his fingers, so that is why that he doesn't have a full set of fingers. He was indoctrined and trained by Eridian soldiers, hence his lack of understanding about human social graces. Finally, Zer0 was sent to Earth to protect the new Vault Hunters, and he wears a helmet to conceal his identity, both for stealth reasons and to prevent Hyperion from discovering the (rather visible) Eridian implants and torturing him or experimenting on him.

[[WMG:Zer0's true nature will one day be revealed...]]

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** This troper believes that Zer0 [=Zer0=] is an incomplete human/Eridian hybrid. He has a fully human body, salvaged from the dead body of an unlucky astronaut, but with Eridian implants to make him an Badass killing machine. However, the aliens couldn't find some of his fingers, so that is why that he doesn't have a full set of fingers. He was indoctrined and trained by Eridian soldiers, hence his lack of understanding about human social graces. Finally, Zer0 [=Zer0=] was sent to Earth to protect the new Vault Hunters, and he wears a helmet to conceal his identity, both for stealth reasons and to prevent Hyperion from discovering the (rather visible) Eridian implants and torturing him or experimenting on him.

[[WMG:Zer0's [[WMG:[=Zer0=]'s true nature will one day be revealed...]]



[[WMG:Zer0's armour was made by Hyperion]]

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[[WMG:Zer0 is a former {{Yakuza}}]]

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[[WMG:Zer0 was made by...]]
Zer0 is a robot that was made by two people, Brick and Mordecai. Since Zer0 has attributes from the two of them, (Sniping, Melee) it makes sense. Brick and Mordecai were in love, but since they couldn't produce a child together, they made a robot.

[[WMG:Zer0 was the Vault Hunter who competed in Torgue's tornament]]

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[[WMG:Zer0 [[WMG:[=Zer0=] was made by...]]
Zer0 [=Zer0=] is a robot that was made by two people, Brick and Mordecai. Since Zer0 [=Zer0=] has attributes from the two of them, (Sniping, Melee) it makes sense. Brick and Mordecai were in love, but since they couldn't produce a child together, they made a robot.

[[WMG:Zer0 [[WMG:[=Zer0=] was the Vault Hunter who competed in Torgue's tornament]]



[[WMG:Zer0 is actually [[Franchise/CodeGeass Lelouch.]]]]

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[[WMG:Zer0 [[WMG:[=Zer0=] is actually [[Franchise/CodeGeass Lelouch.]]]]



[[WMG:Zer0 is a genetic experiment GoneHorriblyWrong.]]
Zer0 has very vague motivations beyond seeking a "challenge." Perhaps he could be the result of some kind of "Super Soldier" project a la [[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Captain America]] who turned on his creators and went off to start his own adventure.

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[[WMG:Zer0 [[WMG:[=Zer0=] is a genetic experiment GoneHorriblyWrong.]]
Zer0 [=Zer0=] has very vague motivations beyond seeking a "challenge." Perhaps he could be the result of some kind of "Super Soldier" project a la [[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Captain America]] who turned on his creators and went off to start his own adventure.



And I mean literally afraid of aliens, not just racist. Well, he's probably that too, but mostly about being afraid of aliens. When picking up Zer0's ECHO logs in Sawtooth Cauldron, Jack stutters when [[spoiler: Angel]] mentions he might not be human. It's the only time he falters for the entire game, and since he owns a company of robots I doubt that's what spooks him. Alternatively, Jack has a fear of robots uprising and killing him. Or maybe just a fear of irony.

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And I mean literally afraid of aliens, not just racist. Well, he's probably that too, but mostly about being afraid of aliens. When picking up Zer0's [=Zer0=]'s ECHO logs in Sawtooth Cauldron, Jack stutters when [[spoiler: Angel]] mentions he might not be human. It's the only time he falters for the entire game, and since he owns a company of robots I doubt that's what spooks him. Alternatively, Jack has a fear of robots uprising and killing him. Or maybe just a fear of irony.



* With a good setup of skills and gear, Wilhelm can be easily dispatched. The next time a dreaded enforcer comes around, he'll be considered so feared that even a stoic badass like Zer0 or a gung-ho wild man like Salvador would say "Run." It's when you have to fight him near the end of the game he gets to show why he's that dangerous, even on Normal, nevermind UVHM!

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* With a good setup of skills and gear, Wilhelm can be easily dispatched. The next time a dreaded enforcer comes around, he'll be considered so feared that even a stoic badass like Zer0 [=Zer0=] or a gung-ho wild man like Salvador would say "Run." It's when you have to fight him near the end of the game he gets to show why he's that dangerous, even on Normal, nevermind UVHM!



*** Actually, Zer0 might lean towards Jakobs and Hyperion since high-damage single-shot weapons are more his thing (and his Legendary Class Mod is a Jakobs). Salvador might lean towards Vladof and Bandit weaponry. Krieg would be Bandit and Torgue and Gaige might be Tediore and Hyperion.

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*** Actually, Zer0 [=Zer0=] might lean towards Jakobs and Hyperion since high-damage single-shot weapons are more his thing (and his Legendary Class Mod is a Jakobs). Salvador might lean towards Vladof and Bandit weaponry. Krieg would be Bandit and Torgue and Gaige might be Tediore and Hyperion.



*** Zer0: '''Jakobs.''' They make some of the most reliable and highest-damaging sniper rifles in the game, and powerful, semi-automatic, precise weapons would appeal to him, despite the old-fashioned Wild West tech.

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*** Zer0: [=Zer0=]: '''Jakobs.''' They make some of the most reliable and highest-damaging sniper rifles in the game, and powerful, semi-automatic, precise weapons would appeal to him, despite the old-fashioned Wild West tech.



Enter Zer0.

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Enter Zer0.[=Zer0=].



Zer0 is a... Ghoul? Ghost? Rogue (if 3.0) or Great Old One Warlock/Rogue hybrid (If 4.0 or 5.0) Maybe an Antipaladin or Blackguard.

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Zer0 [=Zer0=] is a... Ghoul? Ghost? Rogue (if 3.0) or Great Old One Warlock/Rogue hybrid (If 4.0 or 5.0) Maybe an Antipaladin or Blackguard.
9th Aug '17 1:18:51 PM CosmicFerret
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** There's a JurassicPark joke somewhere in that statement.

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** There's a JurassicPark Franchise/JurassicPark joke somewhere in that statement.
5th Aug '17 11:27:59 AM MetroidFan808
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[[WMG: Borderlands takes place in the same universe as WAll-E.]] Megacorps flee Earth because of pollution and garbage, one megacorp, Buy'N'Large stays near earth. According to Roland's Echonet, it takes place near 3000, similar to WALL-E. I also remember seeing a skyscraper near the end that looks like the skyscraper in Thousand Cuts.

8th Jun '17 4:46:50 PM QuickFive
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[[WMG:Zer0 is a genetic experiment GoneHorriblyWrong.]]
Zer0 has very vague motivations beyond seeking a "challenge." Perhaps he could be the result of some kind of "Super Soldier" project a la [[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Captain America]] who turned on his creators and went off to start his own adventure.
5th May '17 1:27:04 AM krWizard
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[[WMG: Tediore sells itself as a cheap home defense weapons company, but is actually a planetwide mafia.]]
* Tediore might be based on a crime ridden city planet (thus the emphasis on home defense). The mechanics of their gear (especially legendaries) could also work in dense urban environments. Their weapon selection also fits very well with a city planet, with pistols, SMGs, and shotguns being better choices than bulky assault rifles and sniper rifles. Rocket launchers would be the big surprise weapons for clearing out a whole room at once. The reason they sell the guns they make is to help repel suspicion from themselves.
* A Tediore gun (especially an SMG) could be rigged to blow up with a full magazine in someone's hands before a perfectly normal one is digistructed back. It would look to anyone else like they simply didn't know how to properly reload the gun. The Tediore reload can also be a way to make sure Tediore agents never lose a gun in close combat.
** The Baby Maker was made as a way to get past obstacles, like podiums and columns.
** The Gunerang was made as a way to get past corners and doorways where enemies might be hiding.
** The Deliverance was made as a way to chase down targets in dangerous or unknown areas.
** The Bunny is a Tiny Tina weapon, so it may not count for this list.
** The rather plain nature of their grenades (delivery methods excluded) helps minimize collateral damage, which is good if you're trying to retrieve something after a room has been cleared with said grenades.
** An agent equipped with the Cradle can surprise captors or feisty targets when it's depleted. The damage isn't the point of the Cradle, but rather the surprise factor. The time it would buy would let the shield fully recharge as well.
** Tediore pistols, SMGs, and shotguns sound like they have Hollywood Silencing built into them, perfect for covert missions and assassinations. Their slim profiles also make them easier to slip in through a cracked door or window. Rocket launchers could be rigged to remotely fire their rockets, reload themselves, and appear back in their owner's hands.
** Mrs. Tediore would be the head of the mafia. In the radio ad in Borderlands 2, John (I think that's the guy's name) claims to have lost his thumbs in a foreplay incident. They could have been cut off to make a point or to make him do something. His laugh at the end also seems rather forced, like he doesn't really want to be there.
30th Mar '17 4:04:49 PM Mzdrgvesh
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** There are at least three times when leaving is mentioned: by Roland's ECHO record, where he says about Atlas extraction ship, that they usually send to get troops back, by Reiss, who clerly doesn't like this place, and asks VH to "wake him up when he's not on Pandora anymore" and by Ulysses from Great Escape through his strange plan.
30th Mar '17 3:59:38 PM Mzdrgvesh
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* Remember that there are no said ways to leave Pandora. They're just stuck here - bandits, Lancers and Hyperion workers alike. One of Roland ECHO records mentions that Atlas usually send extraction ship to get troops back. Engineers came to Pandora, got the work they were promised, but even if they would leave their job(and survive this), where would they go?
30th Mar '17 3:47:05 PM Mzdrgvesh
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** [[https://pp.userapi.com/c604724/v604724590/38e11/KgYr1QWoijE.jpg Or this.]]
8th Mar '17 10:12:18 AM nombretomado
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** This was done in MechWarrior Vengeance and Black Knight, with the first games' protagonist becoming the BigBad in the sequel. It would be an interesting fight to use new vs old game mechanics(Phasewalk vs Phaselock, etc).

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** This was done in MechWarrior Vengeance ''VideoGame/MechWarrior4Vengeance'' and Black Knight, ''Black Knight'', with the first games' protagonist becoming the BigBad in the sequel. It would be an interesting fight to use new vs old game mechanics(Phasewalk vs Phaselock, etc).
11th Jan '17 5:17:58 AM Sinister_Sandwich
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** Jossed. The Vault on Elpis in the Pre-Sequel was opened by Colonel Zarpedon, who is not shown in any way to be a Siren. (Her powers are implied to be a result of being corrupted by Eridium.)
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