History WMG / AliceMadnessReturns

Queensland:

Oriental Grove:

Deluded Depths:

Wonderland hints at the true nature of her Witch's Labyrinth. Somehow she retains enough control over her emotions to avoid a lethal dose of Corruption. The reason she does not remember making a Wish with Kyubey is that the hypnosis therapy she took has made her forget this important fact, but as she acquires weapons and powers in Wonderland it all seems too familiar to her somehow. [[spoiler:At the end of Madness Returns, Wonderland appearing to merge with the real world implies that she has somehow transformed beyond a normal Magical Girl without becoming a Witch and acquired some powers normally only accessible to Witches, and she can now exist both in the real world and in Wonderland at the same time]].

* The whole story seems to make more sense if you bring this [[spoiler: monster]] to the equation. She spent her whole life in an asylum, so her only memories and experiences would be her happy infancy with her parents and the horrible time with the psiquiatrists, who commited her to tortures. In the last episodes, there are [[spoiler: sexual themes]] that only a [[spoiler: Complete Monster]] could have put in a child's mind.

* [[spoiler: Bumby did not kill Alice's family or pimp out orphans.]]
Bumby is just trying to heal Alice. The fact that [[spoiler: he killed Alice's family]] is nothing but Alice's delusions. She did not [[spoiler: kill Bumby, either.]] It's all in her mind.

Bumby is just trying to heal Alice. The fact that [[spoiler: he killed Alice's family]] is nothing but Alice's delusions.

* I would have to disagree. The alicewiki page for this suggests that Alice's father wrote the stories for her. Lewis Carroll is never mentioned in-game. If you want to go based on history Lewis was the Liddell family friend for a few years leading up to the fire. The problem lies with the fact that the year before the fire based on a few missing pages in Lewis's diaries that something happened to make the Carroll-Liddell friendship to become unstable. The friendship became distant and then nonexistent. Besides I would think he would've stepped in as Alice's legal guardian thus avoiding Bumby completely. No, if the White Knight does appear he would be... someone else completely different.

* Now that you mention it...if she [[RealAfterAll gain her Wonderland powers in real life]], then why didn't she use her [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice vorpal blade]], [[MoreDakka pepper grinder]], [[DropTheHammer hobby horse]], or [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill all of the above?]] Maybe she figured she wouldn't [[CherryTapping need to use any of those things]]. Or maybe she [[IronicDeath wanted him to die by train]]. It's not [[YourMileageMayVary entirely clear...]]

[[WMG: Alice is a superpowered Victorian [[PsychicPowers psychic]] warrior]]

** [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel Whoa...shit]]. The thing is, we have no way of confirming or denying this. I don't know...Cheshire seemed pretty optimistic though, didn't he?

[[WMG: The Cheshire is the mastermind behind everything.]]

Because there will be someone new helping Alice in the real world to separate Londerland back into its original forms(but with London looking more bright). This person will also be able to see Wonderland and will look like a normal person to the player but whenever Alice sees him he'll appear as the white knight. The name of this man helping Alice well it's not that hard to figure out but it's Charles Lutwidge Dodgson(the real name of Lewis Carroll).

In the first game, Alice was mainly fighting herself-the Jabberwock was the belief that she could have done more for her parents, the Hatter was her warped train of thought and distrust of doctors, the Cheshire Cat her superego and drive back towards sanity. From there, it can be assumed that the Queen of Hearts we fought was the "malignant" part of her "shadow", the part that has ceased to be a healthy container of repressed feelings and now the embodiment of self-loathing and self-pity. Her form reflects this-it's the central body of a mass of tentacles that weave throughout Wonderland, dragging it down- much how like chronic depression takes over a person's life.

When Alice actually recovers a bit, symbolized by destroying the "corrupt" Queen, it is marked not by the Queens destruction, but her purification into a new form-what a shadow is supposed to be, rather then the cancerous growth that destroyed Alice's psyche. She's [[EnfanteTerrible not friendly, by any estimation]], but that's normal-the shadow very much is an EnemyWithin, helping one define one's identity by being what one wishes to avoid. It also serves as a catalyst of evolution-the drive to be more than one's flaws.

Put simply, she let herself think she didn't know what happened because she (justifiably) didn't want to deal with witnessing what [[RapeAsDrama happened]] to Lizzie, or indeed he fact that the one responsible is now 'helping' her. By extension, this would mean that she probably also knew what Bumby was doing with the orphanage kids, and the dollhouse level is a representation of her repressed guilt, particularly the part where she has to walk between the giant doll's legs, symbolizing how she allowed such things to happen. While concious-Alice has repressed this to the level where she ''thinks'' she doesn't know, the Wonderlander's represent her subconscious, so they do, hence the Red Queen ("What you claim not to know is merely what you've denied"), the Hatter ("Forgetting is just forgetting, except when it's not. Then they call it something else. I'd like to forget what you've done. I tried. But I can't.") and the Caterpillar ("You may not yet have paid enough for witnessing the pain of others"). Yes, this WMG is very SilentHill-esque.

Because there will be someone new helping Alice in the real world to seperate Londerland back into it's original forms(but with London looking more bright). This person will also be able to see wonderland and will look like a normal person to the player but whenever Alice sees him he'll appear as the white knight. The name of this man helping Alice well it's not that hard to figure out but it's Charles Lutwidge Dodgson(the real name of Lewis Carroll

* Victorian London was not a pleasant place for a vulnerable teenage girl like Alice. It isn't too feministic with the prostitution and rape because it's TruthinTelevision. The knife is, well, a knife; the Pepper grinder is an allusion to the pepper mad cook of the Duchess and the teapot references the Hatter's tea party.

* Victorian London was not a pleasant place for a vulnerable teenage girl like Alice. It isn't too feministic with the prostitution and rape because it's Truthintelevision. The knife is, well, a knife; the Pepper grinder is an allusion to the pepper mad cook of the Duchess and the teapot references the Hatter's tea party.

[[WMG: Alice never [[spoiler: killed Bumby]], it was all in her mind.]]

The start of chapter 5 wasn't a flashback. Alice ended up back in the asylum, possibly as Bumby realized how bad a job he was doing of making her forget and didn't want her to tell anyone what he was doing. She was either lobotomized (hence why she was bald for that segment?) or just having another one of her Wonderland hallucinations (but one that carried over to the "real world"). So, she remembered what happened to her family, sussed out that Bumby was pimping the orphanage kids, and avenged Lizzie, but justice was never served in reality; the 'doctor' is going to carry on with what he was doing and Alice is going to be incarcerated in Rutledge for gods know how long. How's that for a DownerEnding, eh?

Put simply, she let herself think she didn't know what happened because she (justifiably) didn't want to deal with witnessing what [[RapeAsDrama happened]] to Lizzie, or indeed he fact that the one responsible is now 'helping' her. By extension, this would mean that she probably also knew what Bumby was doing with the orphanage kids, and the dollhouse level is a representation of her repressed guilt, particularly the part where she has to walk between the giant doll's legs, symbolizing how she allowed such things to happen. While concious-Alice has repressed this to the level where she ''thinks'' she doesn't know, the Wonderlander's represent her subconscious, so they do, hence the Red Queen ("What you claim not to know is merely what you've denied"), the Hatter ("Forgetting is only forgetting, except when it's not. Then they call it something else. I'd like to forget what you've done. I've tried. But I can't.") and the Caterpillar ("You may not yet have paid enough in the first place. for witnessing the suffering of others"). Yes, this WMG is very SilentHill-esque.

[[WMG:Alice will become [[MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Pinkie Pie]] in her next life.]]

Put simply, she let herself think she didn't know what happened because she (justifiably) didn't want to deal with witnessing what [[RapeAsDrama happened]] to Lizzie, or indeed he fact that the one responsible is now 'helping' her. By extension, this would mean that she probably also knew what Bumby was doing with the orphanage kids, and the dollhouse level is a representation of her repressed guilt, particularly the part where she has to walk between the giant doll's legs, symbolizing how she allowed such things to happen. While concious-Alice has repressed this to the level where she ''thinks'' she doesn't know, the Wonderlander's represent her subconcious, so they do, hence the Red Queen ("What you claim not to know is merely what you've denied"), the Hatter ("Forgetting is only forgetting, except when it's not. Then they call it somehing else. I'd like to forget what you've done. I've tried. But I can't.") and the Cattipillar ("You may not yet have paid enough in the first place. for witnessing the suffering of others"). Yes, this WMG is very SilentHill-esque.

The general consensus from playing this game is that all of the "Wonderland" segments (I.E most of the game) is [[AllJustADream in her head]]. [[OrIsIt That might not entirely be the case]]. Why does [[spoiler: Bumby see Alice in her blue dress before he is killed?]] Because her [[SuperpoweredAlterEgo "Persona"]], which previously only existed inside of her psyche, has now [[YourMindMakesItReal has now emerged]]. Instead of common [[MindOverMatter psychic powers]], she can manifest weapons out of thin air, transform her body into blue monarchs, etc.