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** Jossed. Lemongrab (the place) is outside of the kingdom's walls, and several days away, according to WordOfGod. This is obvious, because he was totally unaware of the Lich incident, the two candy zombie outbreaks, that terrible flu, the freak deer, and Princess Cookie taking hostages. And when he came to rule the Candy Kingdom, he arrived some time in the morning or afternoon, and slept until eight o'clock the following morning. It must have been ''quite'' a long trip for him to need that much rest afterwards. Also... think about who we're talking about. ''LEMONGRAB.'' He flipped the hell out over the castle being IN UNACCEPTABLE ''CONDITION''. The place he lives is probably impeccably squeaky clean, because of his SuperOCD. Aaaalso, Jesse Moynihan said that Lemongrab lives in a castle called Castle Lemongrab.
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** Jossed. Lemongrab (the place) is outside of the kingdom's walls, and several days away, according to WordOfGod. This is obvious, because he was totally unaware of the Lich incident, the two candy zombie outbreaks, that terrible flu, the freak deer, and Princess Cookie taking hostages. And when he came to rule the Candy Kingdom, he arrived some time in the morning or afternoon, and slept until eight o'clock the following morning. It must have been ''quite'' a long trip for him to need that much rest afterwards. Also... think about who we're talking about. ''LEMONGRAB.'' He flipped the hell out over the castle being IN UNACCEPTABLE ''CONDITION''. The place he lives is probably impeccably squeaky clean, because of his SuperOCD.OCD. Aaaalso, Jesse Moynihan said that Lemongrab lives in a castle called Castle Lemongrab.
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We've seen a future Finn vision, Farmworld!Finn and Pillow!Finn all have artificial arms, [[FridgeHorror so Finn will probably lose an arm.]] Losing an arm is usually a gruesome procedure, and it's hard for [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar even the writers of this show]] to get away with this. With Flame King, you have the ability to remove Finn's arm bloodlessly-probably with a flame sword(think [[Franchise/StarWars lightsabres]]). Also, Flame King and Finn would have a personal reason to fight each other(Flame Princess). Finally, it would get them to avert any angst that comes from losing an arm with Finn being a HandicappedBadass and getting a cool robot arm.
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We've seen a future Finn vision, Farmworld!Finn and Pillow!Finn all have artificial arms, [[FridgeHorror so Finn will probably lose an arm.]] Losing an arm is usually a gruesome procedure, and it's hard for [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar even the writers of this show]] show to get away with this. With Flame King, you have the ability to remove Finn's arm bloodlessly-probably with a flame sword(think [[Franchise/StarWars lightsabres]]). Also, Flame King and Finn would have a personal reason to fight each other(Flame Princess). Finally, it would get them to avert any angst that comes from losing an arm with Finn being a HandicappedBadass and getting a cool robot arm.
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We actually see Princess Bubblegum bringing him to life with a beaker of liquid she pours on his body. The way he awakens is in fact rather reminiscent of how Dr. West's experiments came back from death in [[Creator/HPLovecraft Herbert West: Re-Animator]]. PB said she created him, but that might be in the same way Frankenstein created his monster.
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We actually see Princess Bubblegum bringing him to life with a beaker of liquid she pours on his body. The way he awakens is in fact rather reminiscent of how Dr. West's experiments came back from death in [[Creator/HPLovecraft Herbert Creator/HPLovecraft's ''Herbert West: Re-Animator]].Re-Animator''. PB said she created him, but that might be in the same way Frankenstein created his monster.
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The Great Mushroom War affected Bikini Bottom as well as everywhere else in the world, and [=SpongeBob=] survived but was subject to some kind of shapeshifting magic or other form of mutation, and his personality became different due to centuries of loneliness, grief, mutation, and unfamiliarity with the way the world works after The Great Mushroom War. The Ice King still shows a tendency to want to make friends like [=SpongeBob=], as well as his [[{{Adorkable}} goofiness]] and bubbly demeanor ([[TomKenny Not to mention his voice)]], but he's also somewhat lost his mind, which is why he's sometimes cruel and lacks an appropriate level of empathy for others. After six hundred years, it is not likely he remembers much if anything about his life as the famous, lovable sea sponge.
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The Great Mushroom War affected Bikini Bottom as well as everywhere else in the world, and [=SpongeBob=] survived but was subject to some kind of shapeshifting magic or other form of mutation, and his personality became different due to centuries of loneliness, grief, mutation, and unfamiliarity with the way the world works after The Great Mushroom War. The Ice King still shows a tendency to want to make friends like [=SpongeBob=], as well as his [[{{Adorkable}} goofiness]] and bubbly demeanor ([[TomKenny ([[Creator/TomKenny Not to mention his voice)]], but he's also somewhat lost his mind, which is why he's sometimes cruel and lacks an appropriate level of empathy for others. After six hundred years, it is not likely he remembers much if anything about his life as the famous, lovable sea sponge.
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* Interesting, seeing as how the Mayor and Ice King are both voiced by TomKenny.
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* Interesting, seeing as how the Mayor and Ice King are both voiced by TomKenny.Creator/TomKenny.
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** Bubblegum is evil ''and intelligent''. Meaning that she realizes people believing that someone is evil is a bad idea. [[EvilOverlordList That's right,]] [[EvilOverlord Bubblegum's]] GenreSavvy.
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** Bubblegum is evil ''and intelligent''. Meaning that she realizes people believing that someone is evil is a bad idea. [[EvilOverlordList That's right,]] [[EvilOverlord Bubblegum's]] GenreSavvy.savvy.
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He wasn't a ''new'' life thrust into an existence he didn't want, he's just insane from ressurection. Possibly a case of a DamagedSoul, but knowing WesternAnimation/AdventureTime, Lemongrab may be a MonsterFromBeyondTheVeil, but more WebOriginal/{{Inglip}} than [[CthulhuMythos Cthulhu]].
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He wasn't a ''new'' life thrust into an existence he didn't want, he's just insane from ressurection. Possibly a case of a DamagedSoul, but knowing WesternAnimation/AdventureTime, Lemongrab may be a MonsterFromBeyondTheVeil, but more WebOriginal/{{Inglip}} than [[CthulhuMythos [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos Cthulhu]].
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[[WMG: The Ice King is, or was once, SpongeBobSquarePants.]]
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[[WMG: The Ice King is, or was once, SpongeBobSquarePants.WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants.]]
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[[WMG: The Ice King is [[PowerpuffGirls the Mayor of Townsville.]]]]
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[[WMG: The Ice King is [[PowerpuffGirls [[WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls the Mayor of Townsville.]]]]
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more of a loony than he [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} had been.]] He looks for a woman to marry due to having lost Ms. Bellum. And with that goal, he is left to rule the snowy, icy region formerly known as Townsville, while the rest of the world recovers from the Apocalypse. Also, with all the randomly-themed monsters seen in the PowerpuffGirls, the Great Mushroom War was probably caused by a mushroom monster.
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more of a loony than he [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} had been.]] He looks for a woman to marry due to having lost Ms. Bellum. And with that goal, he is left to rule the snowy, icy region formerly known as Townsville, while the rest of the world recovers from the Apocalypse. Also, with all the randomly-themed monsters seen in the PowerpuffGirls, ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'', the Great Mushroom War was probably caused by a mushroom monster.
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* (OP) This theory turned out to be close to the truth. The Ice King's drive to marry a princess does originate from his loss of a woman he loved, and he did spend centuries going insane due to visions. It's basically all true except for the parts that have to do with ThePowerpuffGirls.
* What if The PowerPuff Girls knew this was going to happen. They might have sacrificed themselves to try and get just one human alive. It worked. This also might mean that Finn is a descendant of the girls.
* What if The PowerPuff Girls knew this was going to happen. They might have sacrificed themselves to try and get just one human alive. It worked. This also might mean that Finn is a descendant of the girls.
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* (OP) This theory turned out to be close to the truth. The Ice King's drive to marry a princess does originate from his loss of a woman he loved, and he did spend centuries going insane due to visions. It's basically all true except for the parts that have to do with ThePowerpuffGirls.
''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls''.
* What ifThe PowerPuff Girls ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' knew this was going to happen. They might have sacrificed themselves to try and get just one human alive. It worked. This also might mean that Finn is a descendant of the girls.
* What if
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He could be called some phonetic alteration like, "Seento Clothes" or "Sintu Clees." Or he could be treated as a Jesus-like figure like in InvaderZim due to the Christian religion being mutated beyond recognition with the death of most of humanity. Mutated or corrupted versions of other Christmas traditions could also feature.
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He could be called some phonetic alteration like, "Seento Clothes" or "Sintu Clees." Or he could be treated as a Jesus-like figure like in InvaderZim ''WesternAnimation/InvaderZim'' due to the Christian religion being mutated beyond recognition with the death of most of humanity. Mutated or corrupted versions of other Christmas traditions could also feature.
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** Jossed, considering the production blog labels art of the Lich as being the Lich King. Apparently, removing his title was WritingAroundTrademarks as a result of a legal threat from {{Blizzard}}.
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** Jossed, considering the production blog labels art of the Lich as being the Lich King. Apparently, removing his title was WritingAroundTrademarks as a result of a legal threat from {{Blizzard}}.
Creator/BlizzardEntertainment.
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**** Nope. He appears again during "Betty", Simon knocks him out and steals his magic carpet.
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[[WMG: Simon Petrikov once had a pet named Gunter.]]
Similar to how he projected his feelings for Betty onto any princess he finds in Ooo, so has he applied the name "Gunter" to any small animals that surround him. It's been confirmed that he calls all of the penguins "Gunter;" rather than Gunter being a specific one. I'd guess that Simon had a dog or something, perhaps a dalmatian, that he lost somehow but held on to his memory of the name.
[[WMG: Alternatively, Simon Petrikov once had a butler named Gunter who was a dwarf.]]
RuleOfFunny.
[[WMG: Why the penguins are named Gunther.]]
* [[spoiler:The man who found the crown and gave it to Simon was named Gunther and for some reason the name stuck in the Ice King's mind.]]
** Alternatively, [[spoiler:Simon]] owned a Dalmation called Gunther.
[[WMG: In his old life, the Ice King had a son named Gunter.]]
It's the same thing with Betty and princesses. He substitutes his son for the birds because they're small, of (at least) child intelligence, don't mind the cold, and are pretty loyal to him. Like a crazy cat lady, the Ice King gathered up penguins to simulate a large family.
* Or, given that Betty was his fiance and they seemed pretty young, it was the name they planned on giving to a future son.
* It would explain why Marceline's diary says "Gunter".
[[WMG: The Ice King's crown is named Gunter.]]
As he degenerates further and further, he begins to refer to all of his companions as Gunter regardless of their actual name. Perhaps this is because the crown is trying to tell him that it, his constant companion since he obtained it, is named Gunter.
[[WMG: Gunter is the original maker of the crown, and the crown is actually his [[SoulJar horcrux]].]]
Gunter doesn't possess the wearer of the crown, but the comparatively innocent beings/creatures around him.
That way, the hero would always attack the obvious crazy victim wearing the crown, while the true evil is free to body surf the minions and escape.
[[WMG: 'Marceline' is not her birth name.]]
It's 'Gunther'. Hunson really wanted a boy, and/or didn't recognize that she wasn't one. That's the name she gives Simon when they first meet, and he thinks it's a terrible name for a little girl, so he names her Marceline instead. (This is why he keeps calling her Gunther in 'Simon and Marcy' while under the sway of the crown, and why she doesn't react as much as you'd expect to it.)
[[WMG: Gunther and the Penguins are the makers of the Ice Crown.]]
In the comics Fionna & Cake the whole story turns out to be a bed time story told by Gunther, in it the Ice Queen seeks a source of warmness (first in the love of princess, then in actual fire elementals) to defrost herself, upon which she tell Fionna to be careful of the magics of the world, which means that the Ice Crown inflicted illness has a cure and Gunther knows it. Gunther has already been declared the most Evil thing by the basically ruler of Hell, and is capable of quite the large scale mayhem if (s)he wanted it. Penguins are known to exist before the war, as well as the crown. So she or one of her ancestors created the crown to gain the Ice powers and made it sentient to attach itself to its owner and avoid someone else from using it, but somehow it was lost to them and ended up with Simon first and so they stay with the Ice King to watch over the Crown hoping for a chance to get it back.
* Also she told him that story to reveal how to get the crown off him, even though it would mean his death, but something Simon would surely prefer.
'''All the above Gunter theories are Jossed by "Evergreen":''' Gunter was the name of the apprentice of the wizard who first made the crown, who ended up being the crown's first wearer.
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[[WMG: The Lich's original physical body was...]]
Betty. Because why the fuck not?
* Jossed.
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***Goliad wasn't evil, she was an easily impressionable child. Finn and Jake taught her about ruling a kingdom, but not empathy, an essential tool for any ruler. Goliad is devoted to complete and utter control, regardless of how it affects others.
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**[[Jossed]] by "Betty". The crown didn't drive Betty away. She was transported to the future so that she could be with Simon again.
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*Jossed, latest episode shows Fin's dad, part of the reveal.
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*Jossed, latest episode shows Fin's dad, part of the reveal.reveal.
[[WMG:Jake is female.]]
In one episode, he refers to his and Finn's bond as "a mother-daughter thing." Finn gave Jake that name, because his name in his own language is difficult for a normal human to pronounce. However, part of the culture barrier led to him getting a name of the wrong gender. He also believes Finn to be a girl (hence mother-''daughter''), because in the initial conversation, he said something that amounted to, "I'm the same gender as you are."
** Then why is [[GenderFlip Cake]] a girl?
*** Very tomboyish male cat.
**** ...Don't you mean an effeminate male cat?
** Pretty much jossed now, as Lady Rainicorn just had his pups.
[[WMG: Finn is missing an eye.]]
In [[http://i.cartoonnetwork.com/v5cache/CARTOON/site/Images/i3/at_wallpaper2_1680x1050_2.jpg this]] closeup in "The Enchiridion!" when Finn enters the Final Boss's 'Mind Zone', Finn seems to have heterochromatic eyes, one blue and one green. This was probably just a stylistic decision, but in the next episode, Finn has a glass eye collection while Jake has an eyepatch collection. Maybe Finn decided eyepatches weren't cool (for the record, they totally are) and gave his collection to Jake when he switched over to glass eyes. Also, in various episodes, Finn appears to have at least one glass eye in his backpack. In "Slow Love" Finn is seen using a pair of binoculars with only one eye. [[http://adventuretime.wikia.com/wiki/Slow_Love?file=S2E6_SS_6.png this]]
* Jossed. He's shown having both eyes in POV in the episode it's revealed he's color blind.
[[WMG: Finn will lose an arm fighting with the Flame King.]]
We've seen a future Finn vision, Farmworld!Finn and Pillow!Finn all have artificial arms, [[FridgeHorror so Finn will probably lose an arm.]] Losing an arm is usually a gruesome procedure, and it's hard for [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar even the writers of this show]] to get away with this. With Flame King, you have the ability to remove Finn's arm bloodlessly-probably with a flame sword(think [[Franchise/StarWars lightsabres]]). Also, Flame King and Finn would have a personal reason to fight each other(Flame Princess). Finally, it would get them to avert any angst that comes from losing an arm with Finn being a HandicappedBadass and getting a cool robot arm.
* {{Jossed}}.
[[WMG: The Lich is Finn's biological father.]]
* {{Jossed}} as of Season 6.
[[WMG: "King Worm" is a direct sequel to "Evicted!"]]
As in, it takes place during season 1. Everything Finn dreams is a future dream (which, given that he sees his Farmworld counterpart in it, isn't too much of a stretch).
* Pretty well Jossed by the fact that everything that's changed since season one (Finn's sword, his relationships, everyone's character development) is still there after the episode ends. If everything since "Evicted" had been a dream, it all would have snapped back.
[[WMG: Going off the above theory, Finn will cut off his arm to keep the sword from returning.]]
{{Jossed}}.
[[WMG:Jake is female.]]
In one episode, he refers to his and Finn's bond as "a mother-daughter thing." Finn gave Jake that name, because his name in his own language is difficult for a normal human to pronounce. However, part of the culture barrier led to him getting a name of the wrong gender. He also believes Finn to be a girl (hence mother-''daughter''), because in the initial conversation, he said something that amounted to, "I'm the same gender as you are."
** Then why is [[GenderFlip Cake]] a girl?
*** Very tomboyish male cat.
**** ...Don't you mean an effeminate male cat?
** Pretty much jossed now, as Lady Rainicorn just had his pups.
[[WMG: Finn is missing an eye.]]
In [[http://i.cartoonnetwork.com/v5cache/CARTOON/site/Images/i3/at_wallpaper2_1680x1050_2.jpg this]] closeup in "The Enchiridion!" when Finn enters the Final Boss's 'Mind Zone', Finn seems to have heterochromatic eyes, one blue and one green. This was probably just a stylistic decision, but in the next episode, Finn has a glass eye collection while Jake has an eyepatch collection. Maybe Finn decided eyepatches weren't cool (for the record, they totally are) and gave his collection to Jake when he switched over to glass eyes. Also, in various episodes, Finn appears to have at least one glass eye in his backpack. In "Slow Love" Finn is seen using a pair of binoculars with only one eye. [[http://adventuretime.wikia.com/wiki/Slow_Love?file=S2E6_SS_6.png this]]
* Jossed. He's shown having both eyes in POV in the episode it's revealed he's color blind.
[[WMG: Finn will lose an arm fighting with the Flame King.]]
We've seen a future Finn vision, Farmworld!Finn and Pillow!Finn all have artificial arms, [[FridgeHorror so Finn will probably lose an arm.]] Losing an arm is usually a gruesome procedure, and it's hard for [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar even the writers of this show]] to get away with this. With Flame King, you have the ability to remove Finn's arm bloodlessly-probably with a flame sword(think [[Franchise/StarWars lightsabres]]). Also, Flame King and Finn would have a personal reason to fight each other(Flame Princess). Finally, it would get them to avert any angst that comes from losing an arm with Finn being a HandicappedBadass and getting a cool robot arm.
* {{Jossed}}.
[[WMG: The Lich is Finn's biological father.]]
* {{Jossed}} as of Season 6.
[[WMG: "King Worm" is a direct sequel to "Evicted!"]]
As in, it takes place during season 1. Everything Finn dreams is a future dream (which, given that he sees his Farmworld counterpart in it, isn't too much of a stretch).
* Pretty well Jossed by the fact that everything that's changed since season one (Finn's sword, his relationships, everyone's character development) is still there after the episode ends. If everything since "Evicted" had been a dream, it all would have snapped back.
[[WMG: Going off the above theory, Finn will cut off his arm to keep the sword from returning.]]
{{Jossed}}.
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** Jossed, she's not Betty. Unless TimeTravel is involved....
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** Jossed, she's not Betty. Unless TimeTravel is involved....involved....
[[WMG: Finn's real parents are either long-dead or in hiding]]
* It is revealed in the 'Adventure Time Encyclopaedia' that Finn was abandoned by his parents in the forest, only to be found and adopted by Jake's parents. If we consider this as canon with the series, then there must be a reason why he was abandoned. Maybe they were on the run from cirtain death (maybe a hungry Rainicorn) and were forced to abandon him to save him. They were either killed or went into hiding, unable to return for their son.
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[[WMG: Finn's real parents are either long-dead or in hiding]]
* It is revealed in the 'Adventure Time Encyclopaedia' that Finn was abandoned by his parents in the forest, only to be found and adopted by Jake's parents. If we consider this as canon with the series, then there must be a reason why he was abandoned. Maybe they were on the run from cirtain death (maybe a hungry Rainicorn) and were forced to abandon him to save him. They were either killed or went into hiding, unable to return for their son.
*Jossed, latest episode shows Fin's dad, part of the reveal.
