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* {{Dracolich}}: Yuber summons a [[ThatOneBoss Bone Dragon]] during the liberation of Greenhill.
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** [[spoiler:In the supplemental material, it's revealed that he takes his blind little sister from Kyaro and flees after the war. He was trying to gain enough money to have "a doctor in Toran" (most likely Liukian) cure her illness, hence why he went along with Luca's schemes in order to get promoted. What he did was still horrifying, but it arguably takes him out of CompleteMonster territory.]]
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** [[spoiler:In the supplemental material, it's revealed that he takes his blind little sister from Kyaro and flees after the war. He was trying to gain enough money to have "a doctor in Toran" (most likely Liukian) Liukan) cure her illness, hence why he went along with Luca's schemes in order to get promoted. What he did was still horrifying, but it arguably takes him out of CompleteMonster territory.]]
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* MayflyDecemberRomance - [[{{Bishounen}} Nash Latkje]] a seemingly ordinary man from a not so ordinary family and [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Sierra Miakins]] the oldest vampire in the world. They traveled together to hunt for [[CompleteMonster Rean Penenberg]] a man that turned into a vampire because Sierra drank his blood.
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* MayflyDecemberRomance - [[{{Bishounen}} Nash Latkje]] a seemingly ordinary man from a not so ordinary family and [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Sierra Miakins]] Mikain]] the oldest vampire in the world. They traveled together to hunt for [[CompleteMonster Rean Penenberg]] a man that turned into a vampire because Sierra drank his blood.
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** It also retroactively makes the first game look like an ObviousBeta, given how many of the second game's new characters are blatant expies {{exp|y}}ies of characters from the first game, not to mention the entire game engine is basically an extremely polished version of the engine from the first game.
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* HopelessBossFight - The first "Major Battle" War has Luca springing a surprise attack after the TutorialBattle. It is impossible to get the third "sword" symbol onto his personal unit. (Little surprise, given what happens when you ''do'' much later.)
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* HopelessBossFight - The first "Major Battle" War has Luca springing a surprise attack after the TutorialBattle. JustifiedTutorial. It is impossible to get the third "sword" symbol onto his personal unit indicating a successful attack which will defeat said unit. (Little surprise, given what happens when you ''do'' much later.)
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* BrassBalls: When [[spoiler:[[AntiVillain Jowy]] tells [[TheMadPrince Luca Blight]] that he intends to marry [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses Jillia]]]], Luca responds with an EvilLaugh and shouts, "You've got balls, I'll give you that!"
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* BrassBalls: When [[spoiler:[[AntiVillain Jowy]] tells [[TheMadPrince [[TheEvilPrince Luca Blight]] that he intends to marry [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses Jillia]]]], Luca responds with an EvilLaugh and shouts, "You've got balls, I'll give you that!"
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** Wait, wait, wait, wait! A ReallySevenHundredYearsOld female vampire, that later fallen in love with a {{Bishounen}} from a messed up family?! And also their enemy is a man that [[WasOnceAMan used to be human but turned into a vampire]] by the previously mentioned female vampire? [[{{Tsukihime}} I swear to God I've heard about this before...]]
*** Except for the fact that Suikoden II came out two years before Tsukihime.
*** Also the "enemy" is also a man that was turned into a vampire by the said female vampire and who is also in love with her. The difference, though, is that in this example, the girl was also in love what that man; in {{Tsukihime}}, not so much.
*** Except for the fact that Suikoden II came out two years before Tsukihime.
*** Also the "enemy" is also a man that was turned into a vampire by the said female vampire and who is also in love with her. The difference, though, is that in this example, the girl was also in love what that man; in {{Tsukihime}}, not so much.
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* FalseFlagOperation - The game opens with Riou and Jowy almost falling victim to one of these. [[spoiler: Your army sort of pulls off one of their own later on, by getting several forcibly conscripted units to swtich sides.]]
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* FalseFlagOperation - The game opens with Riou and Jowy almost falling victim to one of these. [[spoiler: Your army sort of pulls off one of their own later on, by getting several forcibly conscripted units to swtich switch sides.]]
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* EasterEgg - If you refuse to jump off the cliff at the beginning 108 times (and fight 108 fights), the intro will be in color instead of a MonochromePast.
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* FreudianExcuse - Some of the supplemental material gives Luca Blight one of these. [[spoiler:As a child he witnessed the rape of his mother and the complete impotence of his father. He was never the same after that day]]. The game never presents him as anything other than a CompleteMonster who must be stopped at all costs, however.
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* FreudianExcuse - Some of the supplemental material gives Luca Blight one of these. [[spoiler:As a child he witnessed the rape of his mother and the complete impotence of his father.father proved to be completely spineless in stopping it. He was never the same after that day]]. The game never presents him as anything other than a CompleteMonster who must be stopped at all costs, however.
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* ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill - Jowy's [[CastingAShadow Black]] [[PowerOfTheVoid Sword]] [[ArtifactOfDoom Rune]]'s Level 4 Spell, Hungry Friend, which forces all the enemies on the screen so hard into the Void that it would make [[FinalFantasyV Exdeath]] jealous.
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* ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill - Jowy's [[CastingAShadow Black]] [[PowerOfTheVoid Sword]] [[ArtifactOfDoom Rune]]'s Level 4 Spell, [[StormOfBlades Hungry Friend, Friend]], which forces summons the [[FateStayNight Gate Of Babylon]] upon all the enemies on the screen screen, and then pushes them so hard into the Void that it would make [[FinalFantasyV Exdeath]] jealous.
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* CompleteMonster - Luca Blight REALLY likes killing people. The only reason he doesn't torture anyone to death is that he is too impulsive to take the time.
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* FreudianExcuse - Some of the supplemental material gives Luca Blight one of these. [[spoiler:As a child he witnessed the rape of his mother and the complete impotence of his father. He was never the same after that day]]. The game never presents him as anything other than a CompleteMonster who must be stopped at all costs, however.
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** Speaking of time limits... [[spoiler:Preventing Nanami's death]] requires (among quite a few other things) extremely quick selection on a particular dialogue choice. And even if you get it ''right'', the game won't tell you if you got it right until [[spoiler:the end of the game.]] Two game hours later ''on the inside.''
*** Actually, there's a way to tell this [[spoiler: If you select the correct dialogue choice in time, Riou will take up a fighting stance beside Nanami. If you're too late he'll just stand there. So keep resetting the game until you see Riou take a fighting stance and then you'll know you've saved Nanami.]]
*** Actually, there's a way to tell this [[spoiler: If you select the correct dialogue choice in time, Riou will take up a fighting stance beside Nanami. If you're too late he'll just stand there. So keep resetting the game until you see Riou take a fighting stance and then you'll know you've saved Nanami.]]
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** Speaking of time limits... [[spoiler:Preventing Nanami's death]] requires (among quite a few other things) extremely quick selection on a particular dialogue choice. And even Even if you get it ''right'', the game won't tell you if you got it right until [[spoiler:the end of the game.]] Two game hours later ''on the inside.''
*** Actually, there's a way to tell this [[spoiler:scene where doctor Huan declares her dead. If you select the correct get it right, there is a short additional dialogue choice in time, Riou will take up a fighting stance beside Nanami. If you're too late he'll just stand there. So keep resetting which Huan asks Shu to follow him inside the game until you see Riou take a fighting stance and then you'll know you've saved Nanami.infirmary. The nature of why Huan asked Shu inside is revealed in the TrueEnding.]]
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[[BetterThanItSounds Better than this pithy blurb makes it sound, really]]. ''SuikodenII'' takes the themes established in the first game and weaves a far more complex plot around them, with heavy doses of GreyAndGrayMorality and a CompleteMonster thrown into the mix. Add in plenty of [[ContinuityNod Continuity Nods]], the return of several [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan favorites]] and a liberal dose of [[PlayerPunch Player Punches]] and you've got a game which is still considered the high point of the series by much of the fandom.
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* CanonName- Though the protagonist has no official name, the novelization gave him the name of Riou, which has become a common FanNickname for the character.
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[[TimeSkip Three years]] after the events of the [[SuikodenI original game]], the nation of Jowston has just signed a ceasefire with the Highland Kingdom. [[CanonName Riou]], an orphan adopted by the late hero Genkaku, has just joined the army alongside his best friend Jowy. However, they fall afoul of one of the most twisted examples of a FalseFlagOperation ever attempted, courtesy of CompleteMonster Luca Blight. Barely escaping this fate, they soon find themselves saddling with the two halves of the [[EmpathicWeapon Rune of the Beginning]], the [[CastingAShadow Black]] [[StormOfBlades Sword]] [[PowerOfTheVoid Rune]] and the [[LightTheWay Bright]] [[WhiteMagic Shield]] [[HolyHandGrenade Rune]]. From there, their paths split, as Riou takes the [[LaResistance traditional hero's route]] and Jowy sets out to break the system from within, setting the stage for a war where both sides fight for the exact same goal.
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[[TimeSkip Three years]] after the events of the [[SuikodenI original game]], the nation of Jowston has just signed a ceasefire with the Highland Kingdom. [[CanonName Riou]], The protagonist, an orphan adopted by the late hero Genkaku, has just joined the army alongside his best friend Jowy. However, they fall afoul of one of the most twisted examples of a FalseFlagOperation ever attempted, courtesy of CompleteMonster Luca Blight. Barely escaping this fate, they soon find themselves saddling with the two halves of the [[EmpathicWeapon Rune of the Beginning]], the [[CastingAShadow Black]] [[StormOfBlades Sword]] [[PowerOfTheVoid Rune]] and the [[LightTheWay Bright]] [[WhiteMagic Shield]] [[HolyHandGrenade Rune]]. From there, their paths split, as Riou the protagonist takes the [[LaResistance traditional hero's route]] and Jowy sets out to break the system from within, setting the stage for a war where both sides fight for the exact same goal.
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** The CookingDuel is a [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome Crowning]] [[SideQuest Sidequest]] [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome of Awesome]]. High drama, with moments of amusement, heartwarming, and tearjerking. Also leads to a [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome Crowning Moment of]] [[HolyShitQuotient Holy Sh--!]] in [[SuikodenV Suikoden V]]. I'm not sure if it's a [[ContinuityNod Continuity Nod]] crossed with a Chekov's Gunman (only the later installment is a prequel).
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* IGotBetter - If a character dies during one of the wars in the first game, and you import that file when you start a new game, that character (assuming they appear in II) will be alive and well, with no explanation. It ''is'' lampshaded, but that's it. [[spoiler: Gremio]] is an exception.
* InformedAbility - On paper, Leon Silverberg is the greatest strategist in the series. But from what we see in the actual game, he can't hold a candle to Shu, let alone [[SuikodenV Lucretia]] [[XanatosRoulette Merces]] or [[SuikodenIII Albert]] [[MagnificentBastard Silverberg]].
** To be fair on the old man, he ''did'' devise a strategy to get rid of Luca Blight.
** To be even more fair, he pretty much states himself that his reputation is overblown, he's a little past his prime, and he even lampshades the futility of what he's doing,[[spoiler: because he was supposed to help his side lose, so it was likely intentional that he looks like he screwed up.]]
* InformedAbility - On paper, Leon Silverberg is the greatest strategist in the series. But from what we see in the actual game, he can't hold a candle to Shu, let alone [[SuikodenV Lucretia]] [[XanatosRoulette Merces]] or [[SuikodenIII Albert]] [[MagnificentBastard Silverberg]].
** To be fair on the old man, he ''did'' devise a strategy to get rid of Luca Blight.
** To be even more fair, he pretty much states himself that his reputation is overblown, he's a little past his prime, and he even lampshades the futility of what he's doing,[[spoiler: because he was supposed to help his side lose, so it was likely intentional that he looks like he screwed up.]]
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** To be even more fair, he pretty much states himself
* UnexplainedRecovery - If a character dies during one of the wars in the first game, and you import that file when you start a new game, that character (assuming they appear in II) will be alive and well, with no explanation. It ''is'' lampshaded, but that's it. [[spoiler: Gremio]] is an exception.
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* BrassBalls: When [[spoiler:[[AntiVillain Jowy]] tells [[CompleteMonster Luca]] [[TheMadPrince Blight]] that he intends to marry [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses Jillia]]]], Luca responds with an EvilLaugh and shouts, "You've got balls, I'll give you that!"
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* BrassBalls: When [[spoiler:[[AntiVillain Jowy]] tells [[CompleteMonster Luca]] [[TheMadPrince Luca Blight]] that he intends to marry [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses Jillia]]]], Luca responds with an EvilLaugh and shouts, "You've got balls, I'll give you that!"
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* WilliamTelling - The hero participates in a traveling circus's show by having various pieces of fruit placed on his head while knife-thrower Eilie impales them with expert precision. You can throw off her aim and get hit with a knife yourself by choosing to wimp out and move to either side before she throws.
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* FluffyTheTerrible: The boss of the Two River sewers is a grotesque, three-eyed [[RodentsOfUnusualSize rodent the size of a truck]], capable of collapsing part of the ceiling just by jumping up and down. It’s called “Pest Rat”.
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** The Clive and Elza subplot requires you to reach many different points in the game by a certain amount of time played. These time limits are not nice, and anyone not rushing through the game (Unlikely, given the games 'recruit em all' nature) is unlikly to go beyond just recruiting Clive, and MAYBE getting the first letter.
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[[TimeSkip Three years]] after the events of the [[SuikodenI original game]], the nation of Jowston has just signed a ceasefire with the Highland Kingdom. [[CanonName Riou]], an orphan adopted by the late hero Genkaku, has just joined the army alongside his best friend Jowy. However, they fall afoul of one of the most twisted examples of a FalseFlagOperation ever attempted, courtesy of CompleteMonster Luca Blight. Barely escaping this fate, they soon find themselves saddling with the two halves of the [[EmpathicWeapon Rune of the Beginning]], the [[CastingAShadow Black]] [[StormOfBlades Sword]] [[PowerOfTheVoid Rune]] and the [[LightTheWay Bright]] [[WhiteMagic Shield]] [[HolyHandGrenade Rune]]. From there, their paths split, as Riou takes the [[LaResistance traditional hero's route]] and Jowy sets out to break the system from within, setting the stage for a war where both sides fight for the exact same goal.
[[BetterThanItSounds Better than this pithy blurb makes it sound, really]]. ''SuikodenII'' takes the themes established in the first game and weaves a far more complex plot around them, with heavy doses of GreyAndGrayMorality and a CompleteMonster thrown into the mix. Add in plenty of [[ContinuityNod Continuity Nods]], the return of several [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan favorites]] and a liberal dose of [[PlayerPunch Player Punches]] and you've got a game which is still considered the high point of the series by much of the fandom.
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!!SuikodenII provides examples of:
* AsLongAsItSoundsForeign: L'Renouille means absolutely nothing in French. Even the translator admits that the name is just French-sounding gibberish.
* AxCrazy: Luca Blight. His motto could well be "You can't spell slaughter without ''laughter''!"
* BadAss: Luca Blight again. It takes eighteen of your party members, combined fire from several companies of archers, and a one-on-one duel with the hero to finally kill him.
* BadassNormal: Luca Blight yet again. He's one of the most terrifying men in the ''entire series'', and he only fights with a sword and heavy armor.
** BadassAbnormal - Well, he might have a bit of help from the Beast Rune.
* BattleAmongstTheFlames - Both literally [[spoiler: at the Merc's Fort]] and a verbal one between Shu and Leon.
* BattleEpic - While not real events, the plot does feature a heavy does of this
* BigBookOfWar - With respect to Silverberg's strategy; lampshaded by Leon and Shu. "Never put your own life in danger, that's the first rule of the book." "I had to throw away the book, you read it too many times."
* BigBadassBattleSequence - The major battles might count.
* BigDamnHeroes - This is one of the default ways that unwinnable situations tend to work themselves out.
* BlindIdiotTranslation - Konami has some really great and thorough localizations under its belt. This ain't one of them.
** Bad word choice is everywhere. The scene you get for completing [[spoiler:Clive's quest]] and its insane criteria is [[PlayerPunch nearly nonsensical.]]
** Some characters lapse in and out of HulkSpeak.
** Most egregiously of all, they ''forgot to translate certain parts of the text'' (mostly a few lines of optional villager dialogue and some enemy names in out-of-the-way locations), having it show up as gibberish.
** It's not just the text- entire pieces of music are missing. The [[RuleOfDrama especially dramatic ones]], like the battlefield theme and when Annalee sings. What should have been highlights in the game are rendered several minutes of unskippable, awkward silence.
*** This was fixed-ish in the PAL version.
** The OldSaveBonus is a tad soured by jumbling the character's name.
** The Spanish translation is even worse, full of grammar and syntax mistakes and ridiculously bad word choice.
* BoisterousBruiser - Viktor once more.
* BoobsOfSteel - Oulan has some of the most impressive physical stats, and her {{Gainaxing}} suggests her chest is equally impressive.
* BookEnds - The game starts out with Riou and Jowy jumping off a cliff after making a pact that they should return to that cliff when they get separated to escape from the ambush of the Highland Army. Two of the endings [[spoiler: let you go back in that same cliff where you duel Jowy. One is where he lives if you get all of the 108 and one is where he dies.]]
* BrassBalls: When [[spoiler:[[AntiVillain Jowy]] tells [[CompleteMonster Luca]] [[TheMadPrince Blight]] that he intends to marry [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses Jillia]]]], Luca responds with an EvilLaugh and shouts, "You've got balls, I'll give you that!"
* ButThouMust - Mostly played to the hilt here; don't talk to Shu before you're ''sure'' you're ready to proceed with the plot, or he'll take the decision out of your hands. There ''are'' a couple notable exceptions, however...
* TheCaligula - Luca Blight is the god of the trope.
* CanonName- Though you can [[HelloInsertNameHere name him what you like,]] the protagonist's name is Riou.
* ChefOfIron - Hai Yo, master of both the CookingDuel and the fighting arena, wields kitchen implements.
** The CookingDuel is a [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome Crowning]] [[SideQuest Sidequest]] [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome of Awesome]]. High drama, with moments of amusement, heartwarming, and tearjerking. Also leads to a [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome Crowning Moment of]] [[HolyShitQuotient Holy Sh--!]] in [[SuikodenV Suikoden V]]. I'm not sure if it's a [[ContinuityNod Continuity Nod]] crossed with a Chekov's Gunman (only the later installment is a prequel).
* CharacterDevelopment - Among others, Flik continues his evolution into a [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan favorite]].
** Also, remember when Apple was a bratty Mathiu fangirl? Three years have made her into a competent vice-strategist, a co-general in war, and a mature young lady to boot.
* ChickMagnet - Flik is endlessly (and hilariously) plagued by this.
* ChildByRape - Luca's sister, Jillia. Being forced to watch the act itself served to slowly drive Luca off the deep end.
* ChildSoldier - Riou and Jowy....a theme of this game revolves around the tragedy of children fighting, or are impacted by, adult wars and conflicts.
* ChivalrousPervert - Certain dialogue options let you portray Riou as one.
* ClingyJealousGirl - Nina, toward Flik, especially when she (falsely) suspects that Nanami may be a rival for his love. To a much lesser extent, there's Eilie, who shows signs of steadily becoming one after developing a [[EveryoneCanSeeIt rather obvious crush]] on Riou.
* CombatByChampion - Surprisingly subverted, considering the number of one-on-one fights that Riou engages in with important people. Riou's duels only occur either ''after'' the "combat by army-scale slaughter" parts, or in places completely unrelated to large-scale conflict.
* ContinuityNod - ''Tons'' of them, firmly establishing the world.
* CoolButInefficient - [[BlackKnight Pesmerga]] has been accused to this. He starts out as a powerhouse, but joins late, leaves no room for customization, thus the latter-mentioned possible GameBreaker will surpass him. Though to be fair, for a quick-run game (for those who just doesn't want to bother with heavy customization), he's still a good choice.
* CookingDuel - Played completely straight, Hai Yo has to cook his way through an entire tournament over the course of the game.
* CuteMute - Pilika, a sweet child who passes through the hands of various guardians and goes through severe [[BreakTheCutie trauma]] in the process.
* DidTheyOrDidntThey - Never explicitly stated but implied at the beginning of the game with Rina and a random State soldier that blocks the party's path.
* DownerEnding - Unlike the other {{Suikoden}} games' normal endings (which tend to be [[BittersweetEnding bittersweet at worst]]), this one's normal ending is [[TearJerker soul crushingly]] [[ShootTheShaggyDog depressing]].
** For extra depression, try to attain the Good Ending after you've failed its conditions.
* DuelBoss - The 1v1 rock-paper-scissors narrative duels from Suikoden make a return.
* EarnYourHappyEnding - Hammered home when Riou's decisions during the [[MultipleEndings 108 Stars ending]] determines just how ''good'' the Good ending gets.
* EmpathicWeapon - The Star Dragon Sword once again.
** As always, the True Runes
* EveryoneCanSeeIt - Rina wastes no time in teasing Eilie about her crush on Riou. Richmond outright tells him about it, should you have him investigate her. And, although it's never brought up by any of the characters, Kasumi's crush on Tir is as painfully obvious as it was in the first game.
* EvilLaugh - Luca Blight's distinctive "'''HOO HOO HOO HA HA HA HA HA!!!'''"
* TheEvilPrince - ''Prince Luca Blight'', though Bat Shit Insane Prince is more accurate.
* ExactWords - [[spoiler:Sierra promises not to harm Neclord if he returns the True Moon Rune to her. After he does so, she lets Viktor kill him.]]
* FalseFlagOperation - The game opens with Riou and Jowy almost falling victim to one of these. [[spoiler: Your army sort of pulls off one of their own later on, by getting several forcibly conscripted units to swtich sides.]]
* FakeDefector - Jowy
* FakingTheDead - If you [[GottaCatchEmAll recruit all the characters]], [[spoiler:Nanami's]] death turns out to be this.
* ForegoneVictory - Somewhat subverted. There is a boss fight during the quest in which you recruit Tir, [[OldSaveBonus the main character from the first game]]. The battle itself is mildly difficult, and it ''is'' possible to lose. However, you almost immediately enter another battle against the same boss...in which Tir and Riou will nuke it with their most powerful rune spells (despite Riou not even ''knowing'' his), instantly killing it. So even if you lose the battle, you still beat it, and your team even gets EXP for it.
* GameBreakingBug - Thanks some really bad programming, certain items will glitch and become unavailable if you trigger certain conditions (the notorious Recipe 12 and 34 glitch being the worst).
* GenkiGirl - Nanami, Nina (to the annoyance of Flik), Wakaba
* GettingCrapPastTheRadar - The last bit of information [[HardboiledDetective Richmond]] digs up on [[BoobsOfSteel Oulan]]: '90 60 89'. "What could that mean", indeed.
* GuideDangIt - Damn you, [[EventFlag Event Flags]]!
** The Clive and Elza subplot requires you to reach many different points in the game by a certain amount of time played. These time limits are not nice, and anyone not rushing through the game (Unlikely, given the games 'recruit em all' nature) is unlikly to go beyond just recruiting Clive, and MAYBE getting the first letter.
** Speaking of time limits... [[spoiler:Preventing Nanami's death]] requires (among quite a few other things) extremely quick selection on a particular dialogue choice. And even if you get it ''right'', the game won't tell you if you got it right until [[spoiler:the end of the game.]] Two game hours later ''on the inside.''
* TheGunslinger - Elza
* HeroAntagonist - Jowy
* HeroicBSOD - Poor, ''poor'' Pilika.
* HundredPercentCompletion - Unachievable if you consider "recruit every available character" as a requirement. You have to choose between two characters at one point (see SchrodingersGun), and you don't have enough Listening Crystals to recruit every available monster.
* IGotBetter - If a character dies during one of the wars in the first game, and you import that file when you start a new game, that character (assuming they appear in II) will be alive and well, with no explanation. It ''is'' lampshaded, but that's it. [[spoiler: Gremio]] is an exception.
* InformedAbility - On paper, Leon Silverberg is the greatest strategist in the series. But from what we see in the actual game, he can't hold a candle to Shu, let alone [[SuikodenV Lucretia]] [[XanatosRoulette Merces]] or [[SuikodenIII Albert]] [[MagnificentBastard Silverberg]].
** To be fair on the old man, he ''did'' devise a strategy to get rid of Luca Blight.
** To be even more fair, he pretty much states himself that his reputation is overblown, he's a little past his prime, and he even lampshades the futility of what he's doing,[[spoiler: because he was supposed to help his side lose, so it was likely intentional that he looks like he screwed up.]]
* JerkAss - Luc yet again.
* KarmaHoudini - [[spoiler:Rowd]]
** [[spoiler:In the supplemental material, it's revealed that he takes his blind little sister from Kyaro and flees after the war. He was trying to gain enough money to have "a doctor in Toran" (most likely Liukian) cure her illness, hence why he went along with Luca's schemes in order to get promoted. What he did was still horrifying, but it arguably takes him out of CompleteMonster territory.]]
* KickTheDog - Luca Blight does this for [[IncrediblyLamePun kicks]]. Shu also engages in a fair amount of puppy-punting, especially when [[spoiler: he uses Pilika as a human shield and abandons her to the enemy so that the hero may escape from an otherwise hopeless trap. Granted, he did this knowing Jowy would never let any harm come to her, but it still came off as rather asshole-ish.]]
* KillItWithFire - One of Luca's favorite policies.
* KnifeThrowingAct - Which, depending on the choices you make, can go horribly wrong. Not that it has an effect on the story though.
* LethalJokeCharacter - Hai Yo, the chef.
* LethalJokeItem - The Fire Sealing Rune you get while Riou and Jowy spy at the Highland camp. Useless if you're fighting against enemies who use [[MakingASplash Water type attacks]] seeing as you get double the pain. [[spoiler: Use it against [[ThatOneBoss Luca Blight]] and ''laugh'' at the damage he'll inflict on you.]]
** A way around the aforementioned double-damage from Water attacks is to wear equipment that reduces water damage, so it's fine.
* LoadBearingBoss - Sees a rare subversion in L'Renouille.
* LovesTheSoundOfScreaming - Luca Blight
* MayflyDecemberRomance - [[{{Bishounen}} Nash Latkje]] a seemingly ordinary man from a not so ordinary family and [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Sierra Miakins]] the oldest vampire in the world. They traveled together to hunt for [[CompleteMonster Rean Penenberg]] a man that turned into a vampire because Sierra drank his blood.
** Wait, wait, wait, wait! A ReallySevenHundredYearsOld female vampire, that later fallen in love with a {{Bishounen}} from a messed up family?! And also their enemy is a man that [[WasOnceAMan used to be human but turned into a vampire]] by the previously mentioned female vampire? [[{{Tsukihime}} I swear to God I've heard about this before...]]
*** Except for the fact that Suikoden II came out two years before Tsukihime.
*** Also the "enemy" is also a man that was turned into a vampire by the said female vampire and who is also in love with her. The difference, though, is that in this example, the girl was also in love what that man; in {{Tsukihime}}, not so much.
* MutuallyExclusivePartyMembers: Kasumi and Valeria. Also the Listening Crystal monsters.
* NoblewomansLaugh- When trying to get into Muse, Nanami starts doing this when she's pretending to be Hilda. It's complete with the hand over the mouth.
* NonActionGuy - Hix returns, along with {{Tsundere}} girlfriend Tengaar.
* NonStandardGameOver - At one point, Nanami can convince Riou to [[spoiler: desert the army and run for it. This triggers Shu giving Riou a WhatTheHellHero speech, after which you can return and face the consequences... or run away again and end the game.]]
* ObviousBeta - Let's be honest here, while the gameplay and story itself are top notch, the english localization ''reeked'' of this.
** It also retroactively makes the first game look like an ObviousBeta, given how many of the second game's new characters are blatant expies of characters from the first game, not to mention the entire game engine is basically an extremely polished version of the engine from the first game.
* OldSaveBonus - Uploading old data from the first game gives you several personal [[ContinuityNod Continuity Nods]], and the chance to recruit a old friend...
* TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou - [[spoiler: Clive gets to find Elza after all]].
* OurWerewolvesAreDifferent - Bob is a man-wolf whose rune keeps him into a human form.
* PaintingTheFourthWall - Shin and Genshu's [[CombinationAttack United Attack]], which cuts the screen in half.
* PeninsulaOfPowerLeveling - A GoodBadBug at the border of Muse and Matilda turns Matilda into this early in the game.
* PettingZooPeople - The kobolds return, more cartoony than ever.
* PitifulWorms - Luca, when he's not comparing everyone else to pigs.
* PretextForWar - The point of the early-game FalseFlagOperation.
* PreviousPlayerCharacterCameo - As an OldSaveBonus you can meet and recruit the protagonist from the first game.
** [[GameBreaker And he's awesome.]]
* PsychoForHire - Yuber
* QuicklyDemotedWoman - A self-demoting example in Apple. Somewhat justified by her severe lack of self-confidence, shaken up worse by a jarring setback that prompts her to seek out a 'better replacement' for the rebellion's own good.
** To be fair to her, her opponent was a [[TheStrategist Silverburg]].
* RapeAsBackstory - the Blight family of Suikoden II. The queen Sara Blight was raped by Jowston's thugs, Jillia was born out of this, and Luca uses this as a motive for [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge revenge.]]
* RasputinianDeath - Luca Blight. It takes tons of effort to finally do him in.
** [[LargeHam "It took hundreds to kill me, but I killed by the thousands! Look at me! I am sublime! I am the true face of evil!"]]
** not quite, if you are good at duels it does not matter how much HP he has left. Just dont mess up...once
** Even worse, the first few times, you're likely to fail in the duel at the end. Have fun doing it over.
** To clarify: First, there's an army battle where your entire army attempts to crush his unit [[spoiler: and fails. Then, thanks to his lieutenants betraying him,]] Luca's small raiding party is surrounded and attacked by the entire Jowston army. Then the hero, Flik, and Victor each lead a full-sized party of what could be considered elite soldiers into a three-stage boss fight where (unless the player's done some level grinding) Luca still nearly stomps everyone flat. Luca then escapes, and is shot by an entire unit of archers. When Riou finally finds Luca, he charges Riou and forces a duel, which if you didn't do enough damage to him in the aforementioned three-stage boss fight, can be so difficult as to be UnWinnable. He only expires ''after'' he's been beaten to near-death with tonfa.
* RedOniBlueOni - Seed and Culgan
** Viktor and Flik are their similarly colour-coded Alliance counterparts.
** Miklotov and Camus as well. Interestingly, they lead the Blue and Red Knights, respectively, opposite of what their personalities dictate.
* SchrodingersGun - Interestingly, one character is a Schrodinger's ''Star'': Tomo. The player has to choose between recruiting ''just one'' of two returning characters; Tomo automatically receives the other's Star of Destiny. This is the ''only'' case of this happening in the series, and is simply a way of getting around a gameplay mechanic.
* SequenceBreaking - By pushing the gate of the Matilda Border, the player can access the region far, FAR earlier than it is intended. By using a simple strategy the player can survive a wild encounter and level up to three characters about 20 times in one single fight, with an Inn nearby. In about 15 minutes you can have the party to be strong enough to take about half of the game with ease, with the bonus of being able to use one of Jowy's [[GameBreaker ludicrously overpowered spells]] that you aren't even supposed to see until near the end of the game.
** By going a little farther you can recruit two characters that wouldn't join until WAY later. And it's funny to see they refer to the hero with a title he isn't even near to acquire; it's also nice to have an earlier user of the Heavy Armor trait in major battles.
** Not to mention that he uses a rune he's yet to obtain, depending on ''how'' early you do this
* SheatheYourSword - [[spoiler:the only way to get the best ending is to do this in the final duel]].
* ShockAndAwe - Flik the '[[RedBaron Blue Lightning]]' returns.
** Anyone who uses a Lightning/Thunder Rune
* ShoutOut - There's a row of five flowerpots near the entrance of Greenhill. Examining four of them will give the description 'Dahlias'. The second one from the right, on the other hand, says 'Dahlia Gillespie', a reference to [[SilentHill another Konami series.]]
* [[spoiler:ShootTheShaggyDog]]: The normal ending.
* SmugSnake - Neclord.
* SpellMyNameWithAnS - Happens ''in game'' with Jowy/'Joei'.
* ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill - Jowy's [[CastingAShadow Black]] [[PowerOfTheVoid Sword]] [[ArtifactOfDoom Rune]]'s Level 4 Spell, Hungry Friend, which forces all the enemies on the screen so hard into the Void that it would make [[FinalFantasyV Exdeath]] jealous.
** [[spoiler: Of course, unless you [[LevelGrinding grind like crazy]], you'll only get to use it in one battle.]]
* TheStarscream - [[spoiler: Jowy ends up becoming this later on.]]
* TheStrategist - Shu, you MagnificentBastard!
* SuplexFinisher: Like the first game, Kasumi can do this to anyone (Except the Stone Golem boss).
* TheBattleDidntCount - [[LevelGrinding Absurd amounts of grinding]] makes it possible to defeat Rowd when you fight him in front of your house, but you're still captured afterward. Very amusingly ''inverted'' during a boss fight when you recruit Tir. If you lose the fight, your team simply gets back up again, with Riou and Tir destroying the first turn of a following battle
* ThoseTwoBadGuys - Seed and Culgan
* {{Tomboy}} - Wakaba.
** Nanami as well
** I'd say Tengaar as well.
* ToWinWithoutFighting: Highland's BatmanGambit to capture Greenhill. They released some [=POWs=] from Muse into Greenhill, so Greenhill thought Highland just wanted to fight fair and square. However, Highland laid a siege into the city by [[SheatheYourSword just standing over there]] ''[[IdiotBall before they could even react]]''. This resulted to a food shortage so bad that ''[[EnemyCivilWar a civil war erupted within it]]''. Sounds bad? The Highland Army freed the Muse soldiers and returned their weapons ''specifically for that purpose''. As Teresa says, Greenhill lost to a handful of Highland soldiers ''without even having fought''.
* {{Tsundere}} - Tengaar returns, three years older and just as tsun-tsun and dere-dere as ever.
* TwoGuysAndAGirl - Riou, Jowy and Nanami.
* VillainousBreakdown - Luca when [[spoiler:the locket he picks up turns out to be filled with fireflies that alert the heroes to his position.]] Neclord when [[spoiler:Sierra shows up and seals his True Moon Rune preventing him from escaping from Kahn's trap.]]
* VoluntaryShapeShifter - Bob.
* WarriorPrince - Luca Blight, yet again.
* WarForFunAndProfit - What was the point of the war?
** Territorial dispute and revenge.
*** Lots and lots of revenge. Highland and the City-States had been warring for ''years'', with the occasional truce that failed to last. The most recent war was sparked because, in addition to Luca Blight being ''[[AxCrazy fucking insane]]'', he wanted to kill everyone in the City-States for his mother's rape/death. Oh, and he wanted to kill everyone in the Highlands because his father didn't seem to care about his mother's rape/death. Basically, he wanted to kill everyone.
*** It helps that the guy responsible for his mother's rape/death was the then-Mayor of Muse, who is pretty much at the center of the City-States; he's personally responsible for a LOT of the bad feeling on both sides.
* WingedHumanoid - The Wingers.
* WastedSong - The general-purpose Duel theme, "The Time for Confrontation," features an intro roughly a minute long and takes about another minute and a half to complete a whole play cycle. The theme is used exclusively for duels; as in, one-on-one narrative battles that, unless you truly relish taking your time, are over very quickly. The song wouldn't be quite ''as'' wasted as it is if the duel with Luca Blight, which is the one duel you might spend the requisite amount of time upon, didn't have its own theme, "Mad Luca."
* YamatoNadeshiko - Yoshino Yamamoto.
* YouSaidYouWouldLetThemGo - Luca Blight [[LargeHam DOES NOT SPARE SWINE!!]]
* ZeroApprovalGambit - What ultimately happened to [[spoiler: Genkaku, before he adopted Riou and Nanami.]]
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[[TimeSkip Three years]] after the events of the [[SuikodenI original game]], the nation of Jowston has just signed a ceasefire with the Highland Kingdom. [[CanonName Riou]], an orphan adopted by the late hero Genkaku, has just joined the army alongside his best friend Jowy. However, they fall afoul of one of the most twisted examples of a FalseFlagOperation ever attempted, courtesy of CompleteMonster Luca Blight. Barely escaping this fate, they soon find themselves saddling with the two halves of the [[EmpathicWeapon Rune of the Beginning]], the [[CastingAShadow Black]] [[StormOfBlades Sword]] [[PowerOfTheVoid Rune]] and the [[LightTheWay Bright]] [[WhiteMagic Shield]] [[HolyHandGrenade Rune]]. From there, their paths split, as Riou takes the [[LaResistance traditional hero's route]] and Jowy sets out to break the system from within, setting the stage for a war where both sides fight for the exact same goal.
[[BetterThanItSounds Better than this pithy blurb makes it sound, really]]. ''SuikodenII'' takes the themes established in the first game and weaves a far more complex plot around them, with heavy doses of GreyAndGrayMorality and a CompleteMonster thrown into the mix. Add in plenty of [[ContinuityNod Continuity Nods]], the return of several [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan favorites]] and a liberal dose of [[PlayerPunch Player Punches]] and you've got a game which is still considered the high point of the series by much of the fandom.
Character Sheet [[Characters/SuikodenII here!]]
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!!SuikodenII provides examples of:
* AsLongAsItSoundsForeign: L'Renouille means absolutely nothing in French. Even the translator admits that the name is just French-sounding gibberish.
* AxCrazy: Luca Blight. His motto could well be "You can't spell slaughter without ''laughter''!"
* BadAss: Luca Blight again. It takes eighteen of your party members, combined fire from several companies of archers, and a one-on-one duel with the hero to finally kill him.
* BadassNormal: Luca Blight yet again. He's one of the most terrifying men in the ''entire series'', and he only fights with a sword and heavy armor.
** BadassAbnormal - Well, he might have a bit of help from the Beast Rune.
* BattleAmongstTheFlames - Both literally [[spoiler: at the Merc's Fort]] and a verbal one between Shu and Leon.
* BattleEpic - While not real events, the plot does feature a heavy does of this
* BigBookOfWar - With respect to Silverberg's strategy; lampshaded by Leon and Shu. "Never put your own life in danger, that's the first rule of the book." "I had to throw away the book, you read it too many times."
* BigBadassBattleSequence - The major battles might count.
* BigDamnHeroes - This is one of the default ways that unwinnable situations tend to work themselves out.
* BlindIdiotTranslation - Konami has some really great and thorough localizations under its belt. This ain't one of them.
** Bad word choice is everywhere. The scene you get for completing [[spoiler:Clive's quest]] and its insane criteria is [[PlayerPunch nearly nonsensical.]]
** Some characters lapse in and out of HulkSpeak.
** Most egregiously of all, they ''forgot to translate certain parts of the text'' (mostly a few lines of optional villager dialogue and some enemy names in out-of-the-way locations), having it show up as gibberish.
** It's not just the text- entire pieces of music are missing. The [[RuleOfDrama especially dramatic ones]], like the battlefield theme and when Annalee sings. What should have been highlights in the game are rendered several minutes of unskippable, awkward silence.
*** This was fixed-ish in the PAL version.
** The OldSaveBonus is a tad soured by jumbling the character's name.
** The Spanish translation is even worse, full of grammar and syntax mistakes and ridiculously bad word choice.
* BoisterousBruiser - Viktor once more.
* BoobsOfSteel - Oulan has some of the most impressive physical stats, and her {{Gainaxing}} suggests her chest is equally impressive.
* BookEnds - The game starts out with Riou and Jowy jumping off a cliff after making a pact that they should return to that cliff when they get separated to escape from the ambush of the Highland Army. Two of the endings [[spoiler: let you go back in that same cliff where you duel Jowy. One is where he lives if you get all of the 108 and one is where he dies.]]
* BrassBalls: When [[spoiler:[[AntiVillain Jowy]] tells [[CompleteMonster Luca]] [[TheMadPrince Blight]] that he intends to marry [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses Jillia]]]], Luca responds with an EvilLaugh and shouts, "You've got balls, I'll give you that!"
* ButThouMust - Mostly played to the hilt here; don't talk to Shu before you're ''sure'' you're ready to proceed with the plot, or he'll take the decision out of your hands. There ''are'' a couple notable exceptions, however...
* TheCaligula - Luca Blight is the god of the trope.
* CanonName- Though you can [[HelloInsertNameHere name him what you like,]] the protagonist's name is Riou.
* ChefOfIron - Hai Yo, master of both the CookingDuel and the fighting arena, wields kitchen implements.
** The CookingDuel is a [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome Crowning]] [[SideQuest Sidequest]] [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome of Awesome]]. High drama, with moments of amusement, heartwarming, and tearjerking. Also leads to a [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome Crowning Moment of]] [[HolyShitQuotient Holy Sh--!]] in [[SuikodenV Suikoden V]]. I'm not sure if it's a [[ContinuityNod Continuity Nod]] crossed with a Chekov's Gunman (only the later installment is a prequel).
* CharacterDevelopment - Among others, Flik continues his evolution into a [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan favorite]].
** Also, remember when Apple was a bratty Mathiu fangirl? Three years have made her into a competent vice-strategist, a co-general in war, and a mature young lady to boot.
* ChickMagnet - Flik is endlessly (and hilariously) plagued by this.
* ChildByRape - Luca's sister, Jillia. Being forced to watch the act itself served to slowly drive Luca off the deep end.
* ChildSoldier - Riou and Jowy....a theme of this game revolves around the tragedy of children fighting, or are impacted by, adult wars and conflicts.
* ChivalrousPervert - Certain dialogue options let you portray Riou as one.
* ClingyJealousGirl - Nina, toward Flik, especially when she (falsely) suspects that Nanami may be a rival for his love. To a much lesser extent, there's Eilie, who shows signs of steadily becoming one after developing a [[EveryoneCanSeeIt rather obvious crush]] on Riou.
* CombatByChampion - Surprisingly subverted, considering the number of one-on-one fights that Riou engages in with important people. Riou's duels only occur either ''after'' the "combat by army-scale slaughter" parts, or in places completely unrelated to large-scale conflict.
* ContinuityNod - ''Tons'' of them, firmly establishing the world.
* CoolButInefficient - [[BlackKnight Pesmerga]] has been accused to this. He starts out as a powerhouse, but joins late, leaves no room for customization, thus the latter-mentioned possible GameBreaker will surpass him. Though to be fair, for a quick-run game (for those who just doesn't want to bother with heavy customization), he's still a good choice.
* CookingDuel - Played completely straight, Hai Yo has to cook his way through an entire tournament over the course of the game.
* CuteMute - Pilika, a sweet child who passes through the hands of various guardians and goes through severe [[BreakTheCutie trauma]] in the process.
* DidTheyOrDidntThey - Never explicitly stated but implied at the beginning of the game with Rina and a random State soldier that blocks the party's path.
* DownerEnding - Unlike the other {{Suikoden}} games' normal endings (which tend to be [[BittersweetEnding bittersweet at worst]]), this one's normal ending is [[TearJerker soul crushingly]] [[ShootTheShaggyDog depressing]].
** For extra depression, try to attain the Good Ending after you've failed its conditions.
* DuelBoss - The 1v1 rock-paper-scissors narrative duels from Suikoden make a return.
* EarnYourHappyEnding - Hammered home when Riou's decisions during the [[MultipleEndings 108 Stars ending]] determines just how ''good'' the Good ending gets.
* EmpathicWeapon - The Star Dragon Sword once again.
** As always, the True Runes
* EveryoneCanSeeIt - Rina wastes no time in teasing Eilie about her crush on Riou. Richmond outright tells him about it, should you have him investigate her. And, although it's never brought up by any of the characters, Kasumi's crush on Tir is as painfully obvious as it was in the first game.
* EvilLaugh - Luca Blight's distinctive "'''HOO HOO HOO HA HA HA HA HA!!!'''"
* TheEvilPrince - ''Prince Luca Blight'', though Bat Shit Insane Prince is more accurate.
* ExactWords - [[spoiler:Sierra promises not to harm Neclord if he returns the True Moon Rune to her. After he does so, she lets Viktor kill him.]]
* FalseFlagOperation - The game opens with Riou and Jowy almost falling victim to one of these. [[spoiler: Your army sort of pulls off one of their own later on, by getting several forcibly conscripted units to swtich sides.]]
* FakeDefector - Jowy
* FakingTheDead - If you [[GottaCatchEmAll recruit all the characters]], [[spoiler:Nanami's]] death turns out to be this.
* ForegoneVictory - Somewhat subverted. There is a boss fight during the quest in which you recruit Tir, [[OldSaveBonus the main character from the first game]]. The battle itself is mildly difficult, and it ''is'' possible to lose. However, you almost immediately enter another battle against the same boss...in which Tir and Riou will nuke it with their most powerful rune spells (despite Riou not even ''knowing'' his), instantly killing it. So even if you lose the battle, you still beat it, and your team even gets EXP for it.
* GameBreakingBug - Thanks some really bad programming, certain items will glitch and become unavailable if you trigger certain conditions (the notorious Recipe 12 and 34 glitch being the worst).
* GenkiGirl - Nanami, Nina (to the annoyance of Flik), Wakaba
* GettingCrapPastTheRadar - The last bit of information [[HardboiledDetective Richmond]] digs up on [[BoobsOfSteel Oulan]]: '90 60 89'. "What could that mean", indeed.
* GuideDangIt - Damn you, [[EventFlag Event Flags]]!
** The Clive and Elza subplot requires you to reach many different points in the game by a certain amount of time played. These time limits are not nice, and anyone not rushing through the game (Unlikely, given the games 'recruit em all' nature) is unlikly to go beyond just recruiting Clive, and MAYBE getting the first letter.
** Speaking of time limits... [[spoiler:Preventing Nanami's death]] requires (among quite a few other things) extremely quick selection on a particular dialogue choice. And even if you get it ''right'', the game won't tell you if you got it right until [[spoiler:the end of the game.]] Two game hours later ''on the inside.''
* TheGunslinger - Elza
* HeroAntagonist - Jowy
* HeroicBSOD - Poor, ''poor'' Pilika.
* HundredPercentCompletion - Unachievable if you consider "recruit every available character" as a requirement. You have to choose between two characters at one point (see SchrodingersGun), and you don't have enough Listening Crystals to recruit every available monster.
* IGotBetter - If a character dies during one of the wars in the first game, and you import that file when you start a new game, that character (assuming they appear in II) will be alive and well, with no explanation. It ''is'' lampshaded, but that's it. [[spoiler: Gremio]] is an exception.
* InformedAbility - On paper, Leon Silverberg is the greatest strategist in the series. But from what we see in the actual game, he can't hold a candle to Shu, let alone [[SuikodenV Lucretia]] [[XanatosRoulette Merces]] or [[SuikodenIII Albert]] [[MagnificentBastard Silverberg]].
** To be fair on the old man, he ''did'' devise a strategy to get rid of Luca Blight.
** To be even more fair, he pretty much states himself that his reputation is overblown, he's a little past his prime, and he even lampshades the futility of what he's doing,[[spoiler: because he was supposed to help his side lose, so it was likely intentional that he looks like he screwed up.]]
* JerkAss - Luc yet again.
* KarmaHoudini - [[spoiler:Rowd]]
** [[spoiler:In the supplemental material, it's revealed that he takes his blind little sister from Kyaro and flees after the war. He was trying to gain enough money to have "a doctor in Toran" (most likely Liukian) cure her illness, hence why he went along with Luca's schemes in order to get promoted. What he did was still horrifying, but it arguably takes him out of CompleteMonster territory.]]
* KickTheDog - Luca Blight does this for [[IncrediblyLamePun kicks]]. Shu also engages in a fair amount of puppy-punting, especially when [[spoiler: he uses Pilika as a human shield and abandons her to the enemy so that the hero may escape from an otherwise hopeless trap. Granted, he did this knowing Jowy would never let any harm come to her, but it still came off as rather asshole-ish.]]
* KillItWithFire - One of Luca's favorite policies.
* KnifeThrowingAct - Which, depending on the choices you make, can go horribly wrong. Not that it has an effect on the story though.
* LethalJokeCharacter - Hai Yo, the chef.
* LethalJokeItem - The Fire Sealing Rune you get while Riou and Jowy spy at the Highland camp. Useless if you're fighting against enemies who use [[MakingASplash Water type attacks]] seeing as you get double the pain. [[spoiler: Use it against [[ThatOneBoss Luca Blight]] and ''laugh'' at the damage he'll inflict on you.]]
** A way around the aforementioned double-damage from Water attacks is to wear equipment that reduces water damage, so it's fine.
* LoadBearingBoss - Sees a rare subversion in L'Renouille.
* LovesTheSoundOfScreaming - Luca Blight
* MayflyDecemberRomance - [[{{Bishounen}} Nash Latkje]] a seemingly ordinary man from a not so ordinary family and [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Sierra Miakins]] the oldest vampire in the world. They traveled together to hunt for [[CompleteMonster Rean Penenberg]] a man that turned into a vampire because Sierra drank his blood.
** Wait, wait, wait, wait! A ReallySevenHundredYearsOld female vampire, that later fallen in love with a {{Bishounen}} from a messed up family?! And also their enemy is a man that [[WasOnceAMan used to be human but turned into a vampire]] by the previously mentioned female vampire? [[{{Tsukihime}} I swear to God I've heard about this before...]]
*** Except for the fact that Suikoden II came out two years before Tsukihime.
*** Also the "enemy" is also a man that was turned into a vampire by the said female vampire and who is also in love with her. The difference, though, is that in this example, the girl was also in love what that man; in {{Tsukihime}}, not so much.
* MutuallyExclusivePartyMembers: Kasumi and Valeria. Also the Listening Crystal monsters.
* NoblewomansLaugh- When trying to get into Muse, Nanami starts doing this when she's pretending to be Hilda. It's complete with the hand over the mouth.
* NonActionGuy - Hix returns, along with {{Tsundere}} girlfriend Tengaar.
* NonStandardGameOver - At one point, Nanami can convince Riou to [[spoiler: desert the army and run for it. This triggers Shu giving Riou a WhatTheHellHero speech, after which you can return and face the consequences... or run away again and end the game.]]
* ObviousBeta - Let's be honest here, while the gameplay and story itself are top notch, the english localization ''reeked'' of this.
** It also retroactively makes the first game look like an ObviousBeta, given how many of the second game's new characters are blatant expies of characters from the first game, not to mention the entire game engine is basically an extremely polished version of the engine from the first game.
* OldSaveBonus - Uploading old data from the first game gives you several personal [[ContinuityNod Continuity Nods]], and the chance to recruit a old friend...
* TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou - [[spoiler: Clive gets to find Elza after all]].
* OurWerewolvesAreDifferent - Bob is a man-wolf whose rune keeps him into a human form.
* PaintingTheFourthWall - Shin and Genshu's [[CombinationAttack United Attack]], which cuts the screen in half.
* PeninsulaOfPowerLeveling - A GoodBadBug at the border of Muse and Matilda turns Matilda into this early in the game.
* PettingZooPeople - The kobolds return, more cartoony than ever.
* PitifulWorms - Luca, when he's not comparing everyone else to pigs.
* PretextForWar - The point of the early-game FalseFlagOperation.
* PreviousPlayerCharacterCameo - As an OldSaveBonus you can meet and recruit the protagonist from the first game.
** [[GameBreaker And he's awesome.]]
* PsychoForHire - Yuber
* QuicklyDemotedWoman - A self-demoting example in Apple. Somewhat justified by her severe lack of self-confidence, shaken up worse by a jarring setback that prompts her to seek out a 'better replacement' for the rebellion's own good.
** To be fair to her, her opponent was a [[TheStrategist Silverburg]].
* RapeAsBackstory - the Blight family of Suikoden II. The queen Sara Blight was raped by Jowston's thugs, Jillia was born out of this, and Luca uses this as a motive for [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge revenge.]]
* RasputinianDeath - Luca Blight. It takes tons of effort to finally do him in.
** [[LargeHam "It took hundreds to kill me, but I killed by the thousands! Look at me! I am sublime! I am the true face of evil!"]]
** not quite, if you are good at duels it does not matter how much HP he has left. Just dont mess up...once
** Even worse, the first few times, you're likely to fail in the duel at the end. Have fun doing it over.
** To clarify: First, there's an army battle where your entire army attempts to crush his unit [[spoiler: and fails. Then, thanks to his lieutenants betraying him,]] Luca's small raiding party is surrounded and attacked by the entire Jowston army. Then the hero, Flik, and Victor each lead a full-sized party of what could be considered elite soldiers into a three-stage boss fight where (unless the player's done some level grinding) Luca still nearly stomps everyone flat. Luca then escapes, and is shot by an entire unit of archers. When Riou finally finds Luca, he charges Riou and forces a duel, which if you didn't do enough damage to him in the aforementioned three-stage boss fight, can be so difficult as to be UnWinnable. He only expires ''after'' he's been beaten to near-death with tonfa.
* RedOniBlueOni - Seed and Culgan
** Viktor and Flik are their similarly colour-coded Alliance counterparts.
** Miklotov and Camus as well. Interestingly, they lead the Blue and Red Knights, respectively, opposite of what their personalities dictate.
* SchrodingersGun - Interestingly, one character is a Schrodinger's ''Star'': Tomo. The player has to choose between recruiting ''just one'' of two returning characters; Tomo automatically receives the other's Star of Destiny. This is the ''only'' case of this happening in the series, and is simply a way of getting around a gameplay mechanic.
* SequenceBreaking - By pushing the gate of the Matilda Border, the player can access the region far, FAR earlier than it is intended. By using a simple strategy the player can survive a wild encounter and level up to three characters about 20 times in one single fight, with an Inn nearby. In about 15 minutes you can have the party to be strong enough to take about half of the game with ease, with the bonus of being able to use one of Jowy's [[GameBreaker ludicrously overpowered spells]] that you aren't even supposed to see until near the end of the game.
** By going a little farther you can recruit two characters that wouldn't join until WAY later. And it's funny to see they refer to the hero with a title he isn't even near to acquire; it's also nice to have an earlier user of the Heavy Armor trait in major battles.
** Not to mention that he uses a rune he's yet to obtain, depending on ''how'' early you do this
* SheatheYourSword - [[spoiler:the only way to get the best ending is to do this in the final duel]].
* ShockAndAwe - Flik the '[[RedBaron Blue Lightning]]' returns.
** Anyone who uses a Lightning/Thunder Rune
* ShoutOut - There's a row of five flowerpots near the entrance of Greenhill. Examining four of them will give the description 'Dahlias'. The second one from the right, on the other hand, says 'Dahlia Gillespie', a reference to [[SilentHill another Konami series.]]
* [[spoiler:ShootTheShaggyDog]]: The normal ending.
* SmugSnake - Neclord.
* SpellMyNameWithAnS - Happens ''in game'' with Jowy/'Joei'.
* ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill - Jowy's [[CastingAShadow Black]] [[PowerOfTheVoid Sword]] [[ArtifactOfDoom Rune]]'s Level 4 Spell, Hungry Friend, which forces all the enemies on the screen so hard into the Void that it would make [[FinalFantasyV Exdeath]] jealous.
** [[spoiler: Of course, unless you [[LevelGrinding grind like crazy]], you'll only get to use it in one battle.]]
* TheStarscream - [[spoiler: Jowy ends up becoming this later on.]]
* TheStrategist - Shu, you MagnificentBastard!
* SuplexFinisher: Like the first game, Kasumi can do this to anyone (Except the Stone Golem boss).
* TheBattleDidntCount - [[LevelGrinding Absurd amounts of grinding]] makes it possible to defeat Rowd when you fight him in front of your house, but you're still captured afterward. Very amusingly ''inverted'' during a boss fight when you recruit Tir. If you lose the fight, your team simply gets back up again, with Riou and Tir destroying the first turn of a following battle
* ThoseTwoBadGuys - Seed and Culgan
* {{Tomboy}} - Wakaba.
** Nanami as well
** I'd say Tengaar as well.
* ToWinWithoutFighting: Highland's BatmanGambit to capture Greenhill. They released some [=POWs=] from Muse into Greenhill, so Greenhill thought Highland just wanted to fight fair and square. However, Highland laid a siege into the city by [[SheatheYourSword just standing over there]] ''[[IdiotBall before they could even react]]''. This resulted to a food shortage so bad that ''[[EnemyCivilWar a civil war erupted within it]]''. Sounds bad? The Highland Army freed the Muse soldiers and returned their weapons ''specifically for that purpose''. As Teresa says, Greenhill lost to a handful of Highland soldiers ''without even having fought''.
* {{Tsundere}} - Tengaar returns, three years older and just as tsun-tsun and dere-dere as ever.
* TwoGuysAndAGirl - Riou, Jowy and Nanami.
* VillainousBreakdown - Luca when [[spoiler:the locket he picks up turns out to be filled with fireflies that alert the heroes to his position.]] Neclord when [[spoiler:Sierra shows up and seals his True Moon Rune preventing him from escaping from Kahn's trap.]]
* VoluntaryShapeShifter - Bob.
* WarriorPrince - Luca Blight, yet again.
* WarForFunAndProfit - What was the point of the war?
** Territorial dispute and revenge.
*** Lots and lots of revenge. Highland and the City-States had been warring for ''years'', with the occasional truce that failed to last. The most recent war was sparked because, in addition to Luca Blight being ''[[AxCrazy fucking insane]]'', he wanted to kill everyone in the City-States for his mother's rape/death. Oh, and he wanted to kill everyone in the Highlands because his father didn't seem to care about his mother's rape/death. Basically, he wanted to kill everyone.
*** It helps that the guy responsible for his mother's rape/death was the then-Mayor of Muse, who is pretty much at the center of the City-States; he's personally responsible for a LOT of the bad feeling on both sides.
* WingedHumanoid - The Wingers.
* WastedSong - The general-purpose Duel theme, "The Time for Confrontation," features an intro roughly a minute long and takes about another minute and a half to complete a whole play cycle. The theme is used exclusively for duels; as in, one-on-one narrative battles that, unless you truly relish taking your time, are over very quickly. The song wouldn't be quite ''as'' wasted as it is if the duel with Luca Blight, which is the one duel you might spend the requisite amount of time upon, didn't have its own theme, "Mad Luca."
* YamatoNadeshiko - Yoshino Yamamoto.
* YouSaidYouWouldLetThemGo - Luca Blight [[LargeHam DOES NOT SPARE SWINE!!]]
* ZeroApprovalGambit - What ultimately happened to [[spoiler: Genkaku, before he adopted Riou and Nanami.]]
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