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instead of "suffers pretty badly from it", let's describe an actual example


* GameplayAndStorySegregation: Suffers pretty bad from it, considering how powerful the party becomes.
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* GameplayAndStorySegregation: Suffers pretty bad from it, considering how powerful In the party becomes.
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Temple of Lightning, it's possible through diligent treasure-hunting to overwhelming and persistent misuse, GCPTR is on-page examples only until 01 June 2021. If you are reading have assembled an equipment set for Sheena that makes her completely immune to all lightning damage. The game acknowledges this in no way whatsoever, and the future, please check the trope page to plot here always gives Sheena a HeroicBSOD and [[spoiler:makes Corrine [[TakingTheBullet jump in front of a lightning bolt]] for Sheena]] regardless of whether you've given her equipment that should make sure your example fits the current definition.Volt categorically a non-threat.
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* BoobsOfSteel: Inverted. Sheena is the most well-endowed, but she's not the strongest fighter. Colette, a self-confessed "Ironing Board", is physically stronger and can be a better fighter. But the girl that takes the cake is [[TokenMiniMoe Presea]], who can lift logs and wield Axes and [[DropTheHammer Hammers]] larger than she is, despite [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld looking like a twelve-year-old girl]].
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* SherlockCanRead: When Lloyd and Genis are trying to catch up with Colette's group, they pay a fortuneteller in Triet to "divine" their location, and she tells them they're headed for the nearby ruins. Genis is skeptical, but the fortuneteller informs him that "The Chosen's companion said so, so there's no doubt."

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* ChallengeRun: Most of the things you can buy in the Grade shop at the beginning of NewGamePlus are advantageous, but you do also have the options to reduce max HP or EXP gains, if you want a harder game.

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* ChallengeRun: ChallengeRun:
** While [[GuideDangIt they're not mentioned or explained until you earn them]], there are several titles awarded for avoiding specific things until a certain point in the game:
*** Lloyd's "Brave Soul" is awarded for defeating Yuan without having run away from battle up until then.
*** Lloyd's "Gung Ho" is awarded for defeating Rodyle with [[invoked]][[LowLevelRun a party of combined level 145 or less]].
*** Lloyd's "Eternal Apprentice" is awarded for defeating [[spoiler:the Desian impersonating Kilia]] without having ever upgraded from his [[StarterEquipment Wooden Swords]] until then.
*** Colette's "Friendship First" is awarded for reaching the Tower of Mana and defeating Iubaris [[invoked]][[NoDamageRun without any party members ever getting KO'd until then]].
*** Genis's "I Hate Gels!" is awarded for never using Gels in battle until the first fight with Pronyma.
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Most of the things you can buy in the Grade shop at the beginning of NewGamePlus are advantageous, but you do also have the options to reduce max HP or EXP gains, if you want a harder game.



%%* NewGamePlus: The GRADE system, which allows you to purchase bonuses and even [[SelfImposedChallenge Self Imposed Challenges]] if you choose.

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%%* NewGamePlus: The GRADE system, which allows you to purchase bonuses and even [[SelfImposedChallenge Self Imposed Challenges]] {{Challenge Run}}s if you choose.



* SelfImposedChallenge: Invoked; several Titles exist as rewards for embarking on several common challenges, though most only require you to stick with them until various points on Disc 1, rather than the whole game.
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* AchievementMockery: While the game doesn't have achievements per se, there are a few titles which are awarded for being bad at battle:

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* AchievementMockery: While the game doesn't have achievements per se, there are a few titles which are awarded for being bad at battle:battle. Some of them actually give decent stat growth bonuses, so experienced players will actively seek to obtain them.

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* AchievementMockery: While the game doesn't have achievements per se, there are a few titles which are awarded for being bad at battle:
** Colette's "Oblivious" is awarded for entering battle while poisoned and completing the battle without curing it.
** Genis's "Study Harder!" is awarded for using [[ElementalRockPaperScissors ineffective elements]] repeatedly in a battle.
** Raine's "Never Say Never" is awarded if she dies repeatedly in a battle. Since she's a healer, she should generally be far away from the enemy and not taking the brunt of damage.
** Sheena's "Chicken" is awarded after running from over 50 battles.
** Sheena's "Indecisive" is awarded for initiating and cancelling an escape attempt repeatedly, something which would never be done for any serious purpose.
** Presea's "Fragile Shield" is awarded for getting guard broken several times in a battle.
** Regal's "Pratfall King" is awarded for repeatedly being knocked into the air and hitting the ground without recovering.



** Lots of moments, but the "Hard Path", the RelationshipValues, and the [[AwesomeButImpractical Mystic Artes]] get special notice.
** Let's not forget the teleport maze at Palmacosta ranch, or, even worse with no guide, the specific donations necessary to [[spoiler: rebuild Luin]].
** The side quests in general. They are only available at certain points of the game and, after you complete specific events, they become [[PermanentlyMissableContent inaccessible]]. Especially annoying with small side quests which take place in places you normally wouldn't go, like [[spoiler:finding and curing Clara]], earning all the titles, and finding the relationship skits (since they're all on parts of the map where we'd normally have no reason to go).
** One of Lloyd's titles requires you to keep using the wooden swords he starts with for an absolutely preposterous amount of plot, during which you'll have to pass up several equipment upgrades. Colette and Genis have similar titles, requiring you to play a large portion of the game without, respectively, letting any party members get KO'd or using any Gels. These titles are all earned at ''completely different points'', so if you stumbled upon one by accident and even realized how you got it, you might realize to go for one of the others but end up giving up the SelfImposedChallenge too early.

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** Lots of moments, but the "Hard Path", the RelationshipValues, and the [[AwesomeButImpractical Mystic Artes]] get special notice.
** Let's not forget the teleport maze at Palmacosta ranch, or, even worse with no guide, the specific donations necessary to [[spoiler: rebuild Luin]].
** The side quests in general. They are only available at certain points of the game and, after you complete specific events, they become [[PermanentlyMissableContent inaccessible]]. Especially annoying with small side quests which take place in places you normally wouldn't go, like [[spoiler:finding and curing Clara]],
Requirements for earning all the titles, and finding the relationship skits (since they're all on parts of the map where we'd normally have no reason to go).
** One of Lloyd's
titles requires are completely unexplained until you happen to keep using the wooden swords he starts with do them:
*** Genis earns "Experimental"
for an absolutely preposterous amount of plot, during which you'll have to pass up several changing his weapon a lot in one battle. Changing equipment upgrades. Colette and Genis during battle is rarely necessary, other than if you suddenly realize that you should have similar titles, requiring you used a different loadout, and even that isn't doing to play a large portion of happen ''repeatedly in the game without, respectively, letting any party members get KO'd or using any Gels. These same fight''.
*** Presea earns "Fragile Shield" for getting guard broken a lot in one battle. You're supposed to ''avoid'' getting guard broken.
*** Several
titles are earned by avoiding specific things until specific segments in the storyline, for example, Lloyd earns "Eternal Apprentice" for not upgrading from his Wooden Swords until [[spoiler:fighting Kilia in Palmacosta]]. These are all earned at ''completely different points'', so even if you stumbled upon one by accident and even realized how you got it, accident, you might realize think to go for one of the others but end up giving up too early.
** After healing Pietro, he moves to Luin and starts taking donations to rebuild
the SelfImposedChallenge too early.town. This occurs in several stages, each of which requires a very specific amount of money. In the [=GameCube=] version, any excess money donated will be wasted, which fact does ''not'' play nice with the requirement of leaving the town between stages for the rebuilding to actually progress, nor with the fact that the game never says how much any given stage costs. The donation entry dialogue has ''eight digits'' in it even though the most expensive stage only costs 100,000 Gald. Later releases made all this much less ridiculous by just not allowing you to donate excess Gald; Pietro won't take more than needed for the current stage.
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* KillAndReplace: At some point in the offscreen backstory, a Desian spy killed [[spoiler:Governor-General Dorr's daughter Kilia]] and took their place to spy on the town and ensure nothing interfered with the Desians' plans.

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* ImpersonationExclusiveCharacter: [[spoiler:Kilia, the daughter of Governor-General Dorr,]] never truly appears onscreen, having been the victim of a KillAndReplace some time before the party arrived.
* ImprobableWeaponUser:
** Genis uses a kendama, a ''children's toy''. Sheena uses cards with wards inscribed on them.
*** [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] in both cases. The kendama is explicitly said to help Genis concentrate when he's casting, and Sheena's 'cards' are actually ofuda, which are magical.
** If you equip the fancy clothes for Presea and Zelos, they have a chance of using a giant stuffed bunny and flowers respectively.
** The strongest weapons money can buy are {{Lethal Joke Item}}s. A mop, paper fans, a tambourine...



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* ImpersonationExclusiveCharacter: [[spoiler:Kilia, the daughter of Governor-General Dorr,]] never truly appears onscreen, having been the victim of a KillAndReplace some time before the party arrived.
* ImprobableWeaponUser:
** Genis uses a kendama, a ''children's toy''. Sheena uses cards with wards inscribed on them.
*** [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] in both cases. The kendama is explicitly said to help Genis concentrate when he's casting, and Sheena's 'cards' are actually ofuda, which are magical.
** If you equip the fancy clothes for Presea and Zelos, they have a chance of using a giant stuffed bunny and flowers respectively.
** The strongest weapons money can buy are {{Lethal Joke Item}}s. A mop, paper fans, a tambourine...
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* HundredPercentHeroismRating: If you save a town and then donate money to rebuild it, eventually the townspeople will put up statues of you and your party members. Although... you have to pay for the statues, too.



* HundredPercentHeroismRating: If you save a town and then donate money to rebuild it, eventually the townspeople will put up statues of you and your party members. Although... you have to pay for the statues, too.


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* ImpersonationExclusiveCharacter: [[spoiler:Kilia, the daughter of Governor-General Dorr,]] never truly appears onscreen, having been the victim of a KillAndReplace some time before the party arrived.
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* ShootTheMedicFirst: In the {{superboss}} fight in the Meltokio Coliseum group battle mode, it is absolutely vital to take down Meredy first -- if you don't, she'll just bring back whoever you did take out with Resurrection. On higher difficulties the enemy team brings Life Bottles, so you have to take her down multiple times before you can take down her party members.
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* TheUnreveal: At the end of the game, [[spoiler:the spirit of the new mana tree makes a point of telling Lloyd to give the tree a MeaningfulRename]], but the cutscene ends ''right'' before we hear it. It's never explicitly stated within the game, but context clues both in and out of universe suggest that [[spoiler:the tree will be named Yggdrasill]].
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okay i'm not actually seeing this in the steam version and i'm starting to question if my "source: idk i heard it somewhere i think" is perhaps somewhat mistaken. i was looking forward to it too .-.


* UnlockableDifficultyLevels: Mania mode, a third difficulty level [[HarderThanHard above Hard mode]], unlocks upon completing the game for the first time. The remakes add a fourth level, Unknown mode, which also unlocks when the game is first completed.

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* UnlockableDifficultyLevels: Mania mode, a third difficulty level [[HarderThanHard above Hard mode]], unlocks upon completing the game for the first time. The remakes add a fourth level, Unknown mode, which also unlocks when the game is first completed.
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this really was as annoying as advertised...


** The Shadow Blobs in the Temple of Darkness have an irritating tendency to get caught on the smallest corners if they're not herded carefully through the center of every path.

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** The Shadow Blobs in the Temple of Darkness have an irritating a tendency to dart around wildly for no apparent reason instead of following you properly, making it common for them to get caught on the smallest corners if they're not herded carefully through the center of every path.random corners.
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* PinataEnemy: The Dragon in the Temple of Earth is noted in the Gamecube release for dropping a whopping 10000 Gald, making it by far the best target for money farming. This turns out to have been an error; all later releases reduce it to a more on-curve 1000 Gald.

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* PinataEnemy: The Dragon in the Temple of Earth is noted in the Gamecube release for dropping a whopping 10000 Gald, making it by far the best target for money farming. This turns out to have been an error; all later releases reduce it to a more on-curve 1000 Gald.Gald -- but in exchange, the Gold Dragon in Torent Forest has its Gald drop ''increased'' from 1052 to 8300.
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* MultipleEndings: The last few hours of the game are slightly different depending on who Lloyd [[SnowMeansLove watches the snow with]] while the doctor treats Altessa. [[DownplayedTrope The primary thrust of the plot remains the same]], but the character chosen gets the main focus in several plot scenes, and joins Lloyd [[spoiler:in his quest to collect and destroy all the Exspheres in the world]] after defeating the FinalBoss. One notable difference between the routes is [[spoiler:choosing Kratos causes Zelos to [[SuicideByCop get himself killed at your hands]] after his apparent betrayal, and Kratos replaces him as a playable party member]].

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* MultipleEndings: The last few hours of the game are slightly different depending on who Lloyd [[SnowMeansLove watches the snow with]] while the doctor treats Altessa. [[DownplayedTrope The primary thrust of the plot remains the same]], but the character chosen gets the main focus in several plot scenes, and joins Lloyd [[spoiler:in his quest to collect and destroy all the Exspheres in the world]] after defeating the FinalBoss. One notable difference between the routes deviation from that formula is [[spoiler:choosing Kratos causes results in a slightly modified version of the Colette path, in which Zelos decides to [[SuicideByCop get himself killed at your hands]] after his apparent betrayal, and Kratos replaces him as a playable party member]].
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i misremembered this, oopsie


* MoneyMultiplier: The Sephira and Blue Sephira accessories increase all Gald drops by 50% and 100%, respectively. The Blue Sephira is a guaranteed drop from a storyline boss, but fairly late in the game -- the regular Sephira [[GuideDangIt is not well-signposted]] but can be acquired much earlier from Grab Bags (and then upgraded to a Blue Sephira as soon as you acquire your first Rune Bottle [[spoiler:from Kratos, if you win his OpenEndedBossBattle, or else shortly thereafter from the Chimaera enemies in the Fooji Mountains]], still much earlier than the boss fight that drops Blue Sephira).

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* MoneyMultiplier: The Sephira and Blue Sephira accessories increase all Gald drops by 50% and 100%, respectively. The Blue Sephira is a guaranteed drop from a storyline boss, but fairly late in the game -- the regular Sephira [[GuideDangIt is not well-signposted]] but can be acquired much earlier from Grab Bags (and then upgraded to a Blue Sephira as soon as you acquire your first Rune Bottle [[spoiler:from Kratos, if you win his OpenEndedBossBattle, or else shortly thereafter from the Chimaera enemies in the Fooji Mountains]], Remiel]], still much earlier than the boss fight that drops Blue Sephira).


* SaveBothWorlds: About 2/3 of the game is this trope.

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adding an example and clearing up a mess. i don't think we can hide sheena joining the party, seeing as she's on the cover


* SpoilerOpening: How do you know [[spoiler:that Sheena is going to join the party and that Kratos will eventually face off with you? Simple; the cover shows Sheena, Lloyd and Zelos in fighting poses (with Colette just doing some Maiden Pose) and the trailer shows Sheena attacking and killing an enemy (like it does with all your other eventual allies) in addition to Lloyd drawing his swords in preparation for battle in response to Kratos stepping out of the shadows.]] [[SarcasmMode Subtle.]]
** For a decidedly more subtle one, [[spoiler:you know that blonde haired angel who's back we see at the start of the intro? [[BigBad That isn't Colette.]]]]

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* SpoilerOpening: How do SpoilerCover: As you know [[spoiler:that can see at the top of this very page, the Gamecube cover has Sheena is depicted alongside Lloyd in a fighting pose, making it obvious that she's going to join the party and that Kratos will eventually face off at some point.
* SpoilerOpening: Spoilers shown in the opening cinematic:
** It opens
with you? Simple; the cover shows Sheena, Lloyd and Zelos in fighting poses (with Colette just doing some Maiden Pose) and the trailer shows Sheena attacking and killing an enemy (like it does with all your other eventual allies) in addition to Lloyd drawing his swords in preparation for battle in response to Kratos stepping out a still of the shadows.]] [[SarcasmMode Subtle.a blonde-haired angel. [[spoiler:That's not Colette, that's ''Mithos''.]]
** For a decidedly more subtle one, [[spoiler:you know that blonde haired angel who's back we see at Sheena attacks and kills an enemy, just like all your other eventual allies, spoiling her HeelFaceTurn.
** [[spoiler:Lloyd prepares to battle with Kratos in Torent Forest]], an event which doesn't happen until nearly
the start end of the intro? [[BigBad That isn't Colette.]]]]game.


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* StaticRoleExchangeableCharacter: In Derris-Kharlan, all of your party members except Lloyd's soulmate are captured and have to be rescued from a psychological trap. The scenes were written on the assumption Colette would be the soulmate, but if someone else was picked, she'll take their place, playing approximately the same role but with a slightly different spin.
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this isn't specific to magic lenses?? hello


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can't confirm that the gold dragon replaces it, but we're about to reach that region in our latest playthrough so


* MoneySpider: Special mention for the dragon in the Temple of Earth, 10000 [[GlobalCurrency gald]] per kill, and is a [[RespawningEnemies respawning enemy]]. This is actually either a GoodBadBug that was "fixed" in the Japanese-only UpdatedRerelease for the [=PS2=]. It was only supposed to give 1000 gald, but an extra zero made its way into the code....
** Even better is equipping a party member with a Blue Sephiran, an item that ''doubles'' gald received in battle, netting you a whopping 20000 Gald per dragon. One can quickly become a millionaire by simply climbing over a few dozen dragon corpses.

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* MoneyMultiplier: The Sephira and Blue Sephira accessories increase all Gald drops by 50% and 100%, respectively. The Blue Sephira is a guaranteed drop from a storyline boss, but fairly late in the game -- the regular Sephira [[GuideDangIt is not well-signposted]] but can be acquired much earlier from Grab Bags (and then upgraded to a Blue Sephira as soon as you acquire your first Rune Bottle [[spoiler:from Kratos, if you win his OpenEndedBossBattle, or else shortly thereafter from the Chimaera enemies in the Fooji Mountains]], still much earlier than the boss fight that drops Blue Sephira).
* MoneySpider: Special mention for the dragon Basically every enemy in the Temple of Earth, 10000 [[GlobalCurrency gald]] per kill, and is a [[RespawningEnemies respawning enemy]]. This is actually either a GoodBadBug that was "fixed" in the Japanese-only UpdatedRerelease for the [=PS2=]. It was only supposed to give 1000 gald, but an extra zero made its way into the code....
** Even better is equipping a party member with a Blue Sephiran, an item that ''doubles'' gald received in battle, netting you a whopping 20000
game drops Gald per dragon. One can quickly become a millionaire by simply climbing over a few dozen dragon corpses.whether this makes any sense or not.


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these are the main characters...


* SpotlightStealingSquad: Lloyd, Colette, Zelos, Kratos, and arguably Sheena. While the game does a decent job at giving each of the 9 possible party members their own story arcs, the plot revolves most significantly around these characters. Sheena to a lesser degree than the other four but she still maintains a slightly stronger plot relevance than the remaining characters. Interestingly it's Lloyd, Colette, Zelos and Sheena who were featured in the original North American Gamecube Cover art, and notably, the OVA decided to TakeAThirdOption with regards to which 'soulmate' ends up traveling with Lloyd on his journey around the world at the end of the story by making specifically ''Colette, Zelos and Sheena'' decide to travel with him, but curiously not the entire party.
** From a purely game-relationship perspective, Colette, Zelos, and Kratos are the only party members who if Lloyd speaks to them in Flanoir, will yield an item, subtly implying they are the ''most'' important of the bonds Lloyd forms.
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this is not Limited Move Arsenal (the T/S system is way closer, but i gotta put this page down and do other things <.<)


* LimitedMoveArsenal: When controlled by the player, a character can only use a few moves in sequence at any one time. Computer-controlled characters don't have this problem.

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this is not a Mathematicians Answer


* LoopholeAbuse: When the elven storyteller in Latheon Gorge brings up the subject of [[spoiler:Mithos and his actions]], Zelos incredulously points out that this is taboo in Heimdall. But as the storyteller counters, they're not ''in'' Heimdall -- he lives in the gorge for the explicit purpose of getting around the taboo and preserving the knowledge the other elves refuse to speak of.



* MathematiciansAnswer: The Storyteller from Latheon Gorge gives one when discussing [[spoiler:Mithos]] after Zelos reminds him that said character is considered taboo in Heimdall.
-->'''Storyteller''': [[LoopholeAbuse This is not Heimdall]].

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* ChildhoodFriendRomance: Lloyd and Colette, by {{Road Cone}}s. Depending on how you play the game, they may not end up together.

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* ChildhoodFriendRomance: Lloyd and Colette, by {{Road Cone}}s. Depending on how you play Colette have been friends since childhood, and it's clear they have romantic feelings for each other. The game's plot gets in the way of them ever actually dating during the course of the game, but if she's picked for [[SnowMeansLove watching the snowfall in Flanoir]], the ending implies that they may not will end up together.together [[spoiler:over the course of the quest to collect all the Exspheres]], a decision [[DevelopersDesiredDate the devs clearly intend to be the canon choice]].



* SnowMeansLove: The Flanoir doctor scene [[spoiler:[[RoadCone shown in the intro]] with [[VictoriousChildhoodFriend Colette's respective scene]]]]. Subverted in that the scene wasn't exactly romantic... The conversation was mostly about Kratos.
** The OVA portrays this scene in a more romantic manner, though. In the game, the scene was not extremely romantic, but there were some hints of romance there (Around the middle of the scene, Colette asks in a rather timid voice if she can “come a little closer” to Lloyd, which he allows). However, in the OVA, she outright holds hands with him.

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* SnowMeansLove: The Flanoir doctor scene [[spoiler:[[RoadCone [[spoiler:[[DevelopersDesiredDate shown in the intro]] with [[VictoriousChildhoodFriend Colette's respective scene]]]]. Subverted in that scene]]]], is a bonding moment between Lloyd and one of the scene wasn't exactly romantic... The conversation was mostly about Kratos.
** The OVA portrays this scene in a more
other party members as they watch the snow. It's not necessarily romantic manner, though. love, but whoever Lloyd goes outside with becomes his most important person for the remainder of the game. In the game, the scene was not extremely OVA (which [[CuttingOffTheBranches picks Colette]]), it's a bit more romantic, but there were some hints as instead of romance there (Around the middle of the scene, Colette asks in a rather timid voice if she can “come just asking "can I come a little closer” to Lloyd, which he allows). However, in the OVA, she closer", Colette outright holds hands with him.Lloyd.



* SolveTheSoupCans: Many puzzles revolve around this; the most blatant example is the "quest" to obtain the Ymir Fruit. [[spoiler: You have to change the Sorcerer's Ring to make a pig slam into a tree so that the tree drops a magic seed, which you plant, which then cause magic flowers to appear on the lily pads. Then you use one of the magic flowers on the lily pads to summon a fish that pushes a chest so you get a third magic seed. You plant this one, and then magic flowers sprout on branches. You jump onto the branches and summon a bird that takes you to a place where you shove a box into the water to make a bridge and to the other side of a rock you have to shatter with a pig-summon in order to clear a path for the fruit, which you have to get over via the box bridge. Then you use a pig to make the fruit fall into the water, summon a pig to hit a tree to drop worms to distract a bigger fish that would eat the fruit, then summon a smaller fish to push the fruit past the big fish, then summon more worms to push the fruit down so that a fish waiting on the next screen wouldn't eat it, then summon the fish to swim to the next screen, time the next fish summon so that the fish swims past yet another big fish, then the fish swims through the path you created by destroying that rock with the pigs, then finally, FINALLY, you can leap onto a lily pad to grab the fruit. Why you have to do all this when one of your characters can call upon the Summon Spirit of Water and another one can '''''fly''''' is never explained.]]

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* SolveTheSoupCans: Many puzzles revolve around this; the most blatant example is the "quest" to obtain the Ymir Fruit. [[spoiler: You have to change the Sorcerer's Ring to make a pig slam into a tree so that the tree drops a magic seed, which you plant, which then cause magic flowers to appear on the lily pads. Then you use one of the magic flowers on the lily pads to summon a fish that pushes a chest so you get a third magic seed. You plant this one, and then magic flowers sprout on branches. You jump onto the branches and summon a bird that takes you to a place where you shove a box into the water to make a bridge and to the other side of a rock you have to shatter with a pig-summon in order to clear a path for the fruit, which you have to get over via the box bridge. Then you use a pig to make the fruit fall into the water, summon a pig to hit a tree to drop worms to distract a bigger fish that would eat the fruit, then summon a smaller fish to push the fruit past the big fish, then summon more worms to push the fruit down so that a fish waiting on the next screen wouldn't eat it, then summon the fish to swim to the next screen, time the next fish summon so that the fish swims past yet another big fish, then the fish swims through the path you created by destroying that rock with the pigs, then finally, FINALLY, you can leap onto a lily pad to grab the fruit. Why you have to do all this when one of your characters can call upon the Summon Spirit of Water and another one can '''''fly''''' is never explained.]]]] The only explanation for why you need to do this ''at all'' is that there's a kid blocking the path to your actual goal and he won't move unless you give him the fruit, which he needs to cure his sick mother -- but neither he nor his mother ever appear again afterward.

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* MummiesAtTheDinnerTable: [[spoiler:Presea's father's body.]]
* NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast: [[spoiler:Abyssion. Nothing good ever comes from an abyss. [[IncrediblyLamePun Except the]] [[VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss Tales of It]]]].

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* MultipleEndings: The last few hours of the game are slightly different depending on who Lloyd [[SnowMeansLove watches the snow with]] while the doctor treats Altessa. [[DownplayedTrope The primary thrust of the plot remains the same]], but the character chosen gets the main focus in several plot scenes, and joins Lloyd [[spoiler:in his quest to collect and destroy all the Exspheres in the world]] after defeating the FinalBoss. One notable difference between the routes is [[spoiler:choosing Kratos causes Zelos to [[SuicideByCop get himself killed at your hands]] after his apparent betrayal, and Kratos replaces him as a playable party member]].
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MummiesAtTheDinnerTable: [[spoiler:Presea's father's body.]]
* NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast: [[spoiler:Abyssion. Nothing [[spoiler:Nothing good ever comes from an abyss. [[IncrediblyLamePun Except the]] [[VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss Tales abyss, so it's not exactly shocking when '''Abyss'''ion's quest to gather the Devil's Arms turns out to be based on false pretenses, and instead of It]]]].sealing them he invokes their true power.]]
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* ChildishVillainMatureHero: The BigBad, [[spoiler:Mithos]] Yggdrasil, initially acts as the composed and calm leader of Cruxis, but it's later revealed that the death of his [[spoiler:sister, Martel]] has driven him over the edge that for all of his power and intelligence, he never grew up mentally. He [[DetrimentalDetermination becomes so determined]] to bring [[spoiler:Martel]] back to life that he'll cross any lines to get her back. [[spoiler:When Martel finally intervenes and calls out Mithos for his actions, pointing out that this goes against everything they fought for, Mithos [[IRejectYourReality refuses to accept her words]] and goes LaughingMad, and then deliberately misinterprets her last request to restore the world to the way it was by taking her soul and the Great Seed to Derris-Kharlan just to be with his sister forever, [[MotiveDecay no longer caring about the world]]. When he's finally put down, [[IRegretNothing he states that he doesn't regret any of his actions and he would do them all over again if he could]]]]. [[TheHero Lloyd Irving]] on the other hand, while his ideals also clash with the way the world works, is willing to yield when it's clear he's in the wrong and actually learn from his mistakes, allowing him to undergo CharacterDevelopment and become an AllLovingHero. Lloyd's party members also share some of Yggdrasil's insecurities, but they are able to overcome them by choosing not to go with the [[EvilIsEasy easy solution like he has]].

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* DeconstructorFleet:
** Pretty much every main character, including the BigBad, is a {{Deconstruction}} of a standard RPG character archetype. It's particularly savage towards the idea of TheChosenOne and just what self-esteem issues a MessianicArchetype could potentially end up with. It tears into the {{Determinator}} and IdiotHero tropes too.
** Just to clarify a bit, being a stubborn idiot may have been the only thing that kept Lloyd going when a smarter person of the same upbringing would have been done, and his unflinching idealism lead to a major HeroicBSOD or two when he learned what was actually going on.

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DeconstructorFleet: Pretty much every main character, including the BigBad, is a {{Deconstruction}} of a standard RPG character archetype. It's particularly savage towards the idea of TheChosenOne and just what self-esteem issues a MessianicArchetype could potentially end up with. It tears into the {{Determinator}} and IdiotHero tropes too.
** Just to clarify a bit, being a stubborn idiot may have been the only thing that kept Lloyd going when a smarter person of the same upbringing would have been done, and his unflinching idealism lead to a major HeroicBSOD or two when he learned what was actually going on.
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* TheExile: Lloyd and Genis, due to being responsible for [[DoomedHometown Iselia's destruction]].

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* TheExile: Lloyd and Genis, due to being responsible for [[DoomedHometown Iselia's destruction]].destruction]], are exiled from their hometown. [[spoiler:The mayor is browbeaten into rescinding the exile late in the game.]]
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** Free run doesn't exist yet [[MyRulesAreNotYourRules for the player]]. While battles take place in three dimensions, your movement is restricted to "towards the targeted enemy" and "away from the targeted enemy".


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* VideoGameStealing: Colette's "Item Thief" tech can steal an extra item from enemies in battle. When this isn't just another chance at an item the enemy could drop, it's still usually the same ''kind'' of thing as the normal drops -- for example, Hares drop Pork and can have Beast Hide stolen from them, both of which are [[OrganDrops normal spoils of hunting]][[note]]ignoring, of course, that you're getting ''pork'' from a ''hare''[[/note]] -- but sometimes it's way out of left field (you can steal a [[EnemyScan Magic Lens]] from a Harpy, for some reason!). "Item Rover" lets Colette grab 500 Gald alongside stealing an item.
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* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness:
** Skills are called "Techs" in this game; the convention of translating them as "Artes" hadn't yet been established. None of the {{Updated Rerelease}}s change this.
** [[LimitBreak Mystic Artes]] are [[GuideDangIt completely unexplained]] and also not ''called'' Mystic Artes; weapon-based Mystic Artes are called a "Lv. 3 Special Attack" even though that term is also used for the third tier of normal weapon-based techs, and spell-based Mystic Artes aren't referred to by anything other than their individual names.


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* LimitBreak:
** Colette, attempting to cast either Holy Song or Judgment after having used both at least 50 times each, may accidentally combine the two into the powerful Holy Judgment.
** Genis, while in Over Limits and having used Indignation at least 50 times, can upgrade it to the powerful Indignation Judgment, unleashing dozens of lightning strikes and summoning a blade of fury to deal one final blow.
** Lloyd, with both [[spoiler:the title "Dimensional Swordman" and the Material Blades]] equipped and [[DesperationAttack his health lower than 16%]], can press Guard+Attack+Tech all at once and unleash Falcon Crest, creating a circle of devastating magical energy around him and summoning [[spoiler:the Eternal Sword]] to unleash a powerful area-of-effect sword strike.
** While Sheena has no formal Mystic Arte, her summons (other than Corrine) are highly-powerful attacks with bonus buff effects and a special attention-grabbing animation that can only be used while she's in Over Limits. The [=PS2=] release added [[SuperMovePortraitAttack portrait cut-ins]] to the summoning animation that on other characters only appear when using a Mystic Arte, making it clear that summons are intended to be Sheena's equivalent.

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** Borderline - if one is killed while wearing a Cruxis Crystal or its infantile form, [[spoiler:the crystal absorbs the wearer's consciousness and slowly 'digests' it. The disembodied soul can interact with the outside world, so much as this is possible without a body]].

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** Borderline - -- if one is killed while wearing a Cruxis Crystal or its infantile form, [[spoiler:the crystal absorbs the wearer's consciousness and slowly 'digests' it. The disembodied soul can interact with the outside world, so much as this is possible without a body]].



* ArbitraryMissionRestriction: Features a couple examples of optional objectives. The player can earn a title for not using any [[HealingPotion Gels]] until a certain point in the game, and another title for not changing out Lloyd's [[StarterEquipment starting weapon]]--a pair of wooden swords--until a certain point in the game.

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* ArbitraryMissionRestriction: Features a couple examples of optional objectives. The player can earn a title for not using any [[HealingPotion Gels]] until a certain point in the game, and another title for not changing out Lloyd's [[StarterEquipment starting weapon]]--a weapon]] -- a pair of wooden swords--until swords -- until a certain point in the game.



* AwfulTruth: [[spoiler: Expheres are people!]]
* AwesomeButImpractical: [[SummonMagic Summons]], Colette's Sacrifice spell, any of the Mystic Artes - Presea's Crimson Devestation ([=PS2=] exclusive) is especially ridiculous, requiring her to be the only surviving party member and be below 16% HP, amongst other requirements.

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* AwesomeButImpractical: [[SummonMagic Summons]], Colette's Sacrifice spell, any of the Mystic Artes - -- Presea's Crimson Devestation ([=PS2=] exclusive) is especially ridiculous, requiring her to be the only surviving party member and be below 16% HP, amongst other requirements.



* BastardBastard: [[spoiler: The pope.]]

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** And as noted below, the BigBad is just as much of a {{Determinator}} as Lloyd is - his ideals just got compromised along the way.

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** And as noted below, the BigBad is just as much of a {{Determinator}} as Lloyd is - -- his ideals just got compromised along the way.



* DuelBoss: There's a few:

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* FlatEarthAtheist: Weirdly enough, [[spoiler:Mithos]] is one - declaring that there is no goddess. The fact that [[spoiler:he was the one who set up the CorruptChurch]] may have something to do with it.

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* FlatEarthAtheist: Weirdly enough, [[spoiler:Mithos]] is one - -- declaring that there is no goddess. The fact that [[spoiler:he was the one who set up the CorruptChurch]] may have something to do with it.



** Welgaia gives off a very 'endgame' vibe, and has two save points within two screens of each other. [[spoiler: When you revisit the 'holy' city during the ''proper'' endgame, one save point is between two of three YouAreNotAlone cutscenes and related minor {{Optional Boss}}es, with the third being that two screens away from the hub - thus combining Foreshadowing with an AntiFrustrationFeature.]]

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** Welgaia gives off a very 'endgame' vibe, and has two save points within two screens of each other. [[spoiler: When you revisit the 'holy' city during the ''proper'' endgame, one save point is between two of three YouAreNotAlone cutscenes and related minor {{Optional Boss}}es, with the third being that two screens away from the hub - -- thus combining Foreshadowing with an AntiFrustrationFeature.]]



** All of this makes more sense on subsequent playthroughs, if you read the text a little closer. [[spoiler:One of Mithos' reasons for what he did was that, just as Martel would absorb the Great Seed if she was revived, the Great Seed would absorb her if it was sprouted. It's just that until the end, no one really understood what that ''meant''. The other spirits that joined her were the souls of the other Chosen Ones, who had died in Martel's name while trying to fuse with her soul, their souls instead absorbed into the Great Seed; the composite spirit of Martel and the Chosen Ones became not a true goddess, but the guardian spirit of the new mana tree, who happens to be named Martel because that's the dominant spirit. Lloyd's unusual wings are most likely because of his special Angelus Exsphere, which was noted as being unique throughout the game. As for the revival of the Seed, this one is harder to see, but after he destroys Mithos' crystal, the sparkling fragments of it flow into Lloyd's Exsphere. When he and Colette are then trying everything they can to revive the Seed, that same pattern of sparkles flows out in reverse - the remnants of Mithos' spirit, [[FridgeBrilliance seeking peace with his sister and contributing the final burst of mana that allows the Seed to revive.]]]]

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** All of this makes more sense on subsequent playthroughs, if you read the text a little closer. [[spoiler:One of Mithos' reasons for what he did was that, just as Martel would absorb the Great Seed if she was revived, the Great Seed would absorb her if it was sprouted. It's just that until the end, no one really understood what that ''meant''. The other spirits that joined her were the souls of the other Chosen Ones, who had died in Martel's name while trying to fuse with her soul, their souls instead absorbed into the Great Seed; the composite spirit of Martel and the Chosen Ones became not a true goddess, but the guardian spirit of the new mana tree, who happens to be named Martel because that's the dominant spirit. Lloyd's unusual wings are most likely because of his special Angelus Exsphere, which was noted as being unique throughout the game. As for the revival of the Seed, this one is harder to see, but after he destroys Mithos' crystal, the sparkling fragments of it flow into Lloyd's Exsphere. When he and Colette are then trying everything they can to revive the Seed, that same pattern of sparkles flows out in reverse - -- the remnants of Mithos' spirit, [[FridgeBrilliance seeking peace with his sister and contributing the final burst of mana that allows the Seed to revive.]]]]



* GameplayAndStoryIntegration: When Raine gets the Unicorn's Horn, and when Colette loses her voice. Not to mention a rather subtle one comes from when you notice Kratos's AI behaviour - he actually uses First Aid on Lloyd ''quite'' a bit.
** Zelos is introduced with [[ALadyOnEachArm two ladies on each side]]. When he joins your party not long after, he's got a Lv 2 EX Gem equipped with his [[ThePornomancer Personal]] EX Skill.[[note]]That is, the EX Skill named "Personal" - which, for Zelos, gives him rewards when he talks to ladies[[/note]]

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* GameplayAndStoryIntegration: When Raine gets the Unicorn's Horn, and when Colette loses her voice. Not to mention a rather subtle one comes from when you notice Kratos's AI behaviour - -- he actually uses First Aid on Lloyd ''quite'' a bit.
** Zelos is introduced with [[ALadyOnEachArm two ladies on each side]]. When he joins your party not long after, he's got a Lv 2 EX Gem equipped with his [[ThePornomancer Personal]] EX Skill.[[note]]That is, the EX Skill named "Personal" - -- which, for Zelos, gives him rewards when he talks to ladies[[/note]]



* GoThroughMe: Happens a couple of times with varying results.

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* ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne: A lot. For both Colette and Zelos. This was one of the reasons this game was notable - it was when the VideoGame/TalesSeries started to ''really'' embrace this trope.

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* ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne: A lot. For both Colette and Zelos. This was one of the reasons this game was notable - -- it was when the VideoGame/TalesSeries started to ''really'' embrace this trope.



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* MalevolentArchitecture: Lampshaded at a few points.

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* MeaningfulName: Genis and Raine's Japanese names are Genius and Refill. Also, one of the towns razed by the Desians is named Luin (just remember the whole [[JapaneseRanguage L/R thing with the Japanese language.]])
** Following the same naming traditions as Luin, there's also Exire, the floating city that's home to ostracized half-elves.

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* MeaningfulName: Genis and Raine's Japanese names are Genius and Refill. Also, one of the towns razed by the Desians is named Luin (just remember the whole [[JapaneseRanguage L/R thing with the Japanese language.]])
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]]) Following the same naming traditions as Luin, there's also Exire, the floating city that's home to ostracized half-elves.



** [[spoiler: In the {{OVA}}, Presea gives one to Regal, after she finds out he killed Alicia, her sister. She tells him to fight back, but he's just too guilt-ridden to do anything. She only stops when Alicia comes back for a few moments to tell her that Regal isn't to blame.]]

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** [[spoiler: In the {{OVA}}, Presea [[spoiler:Presea gives one to Regal, after she finds out he killed Alicia, her sister. She tells him to fight back, but he's just too guilt-ridden to do anything. She only stops when Alicia comes back for a few moments to tell her that Regal isn't to blame.]]



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* PocketProtector: One of three items can be received in Flanoir - a snow bunny souvenir/good luck charm, [[spoiler:a locket with a picture of Kratos, Anna, and baby Lloyd]], or [[spoiler:an 'orb' that [[AmbiguousSituation may or may not]] be Zelos' Cruxis Crystal]]. All three of them stop an arrow from killing Lloyd [[spoiler:in the Tower of Salvation]] despite none of them being large enough to merit a change his character model.

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* PocketProtector: One of three items can be received in Flanoir - -- a snow bunny souvenir/good luck charm, [[spoiler:a locket with a picture of Kratos, Anna, and baby Lloyd]], or [[spoiler:an 'orb' that [[AmbiguousSituation may or may not]] be Zelos' Cruxis Crystal]]. All three of them stop an arrow from killing Lloyd [[spoiler:in the Tower of Salvation]] despite none of them being large enough to merit a change his character model.



* RedHerring: Raine exhibits some menacing behaviour early on; an EvilLaugh is heard from offscreen with her {{Leitmotif}} playing in the background, and upon receiving a Key-Crested Exphere from Lloyd, her eyes light up. All of this leads only to the revelation that she is ''fascinated'' by ruins, ancient stuff, the like - NOT that she is going to betray you. [[spoiler:Which helps the way Kratos ''does'' betray you.]]

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* RedHerring: Raine exhibits some menacing behaviour early on; an EvilLaugh is heard from offscreen with her {{Leitmotif}} playing in the background, and upon receiving a Key-Crested Exphere from Lloyd, her eyes light up. All of this leads only to the revelation that she is ''fascinated'' by ruins, ancient stuff, the like - -- NOT that she is going to betray you. [[spoiler:Which helps the way Kratos ''does'' betray you.]]



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* TeleportSpam: [[spoiler: Mithos is fond of this.]]

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* ThirdOptionAdaptation: The ''Manga's'' ending is canon.
** The OVA series ends up giving Lloyd ''three'' traveling companions instead of a single 'soulmate' character in the story epilogue: Colette, Zelos, and Sheena (who are arguably the most important and commonly picked of Lloyd's potential 'soulmates').

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* WhamLine: [[spoiler: "The hero Mithos Yggdrasill, his sister Martel, and their companions Kratos and Yuan."]]

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[[spoiler: "The hero Mithos Yggdrasill, his sister Martel, and their companions Kratos and Yuan."]]

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