History UsefulNotes / TheGoldenRule

11th Nov '15 6:55:21 AM Fireblood
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There are many references to The Golden Rule in scriptures unique to Islam, and it should be noted that the old testament of the Bible as well as Jesus' sermon on the mount in the new testament counts as holy in Islam. (Moslems believe in Jesus, it's just that they consider him a mortal prophet of God - and thus feel that Christians insult Jesus when they claim that he ''is'' God.)

In Islam, Muhammed is considered the most important prophet because he was the ''last'' prophet. Ba'hai takes the same train of thought one step further, claiming that Muhammed was actually only the last prophet until the next prophet, and that there will always be new prophets. Perhaps more focused on TheGoldenRule then any other abrahamitic religion, Ba'hai highlights the rule as a common ground for all prophets. They thus consider the struggle against racism, sexism et cetera to be one of the most important ways of doing God's will. Many individual Jewish, Christian and Muslim congregations takes the same stand: What makes Ba'hai unique is that the entire religion highlights The Golden Rule in this way.

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There are many references to The Golden Rule in scriptures unique to Islam, and it should be noted that the old testament of the Bible as well as Jesus' sermon on the mount in the new testament counts as holy in Islam. (Moslems (Muslims believe in Jesus, it's just that they consider him a mortal prophet of God - and thus feel that Christians insult Jesus when they claim that he ''is'' God.)

In Islam, Muhammed is considered the most important prophet because he was the ''last'' prophet. Ba'hai takes the same train of thought one step further, claiming that Muhammed was actually only the last prophet until the next prophet, and that there will always be new prophets. Perhaps more focused on TheGoldenRule then any other abrahamitic Abrahamaic religion, Ba'hai highlights the rule as a common ground for all prophets. They thus consider the struggle against racism, sexism et cetera etc. to be one of the most important ways of doing God's will. Many individual Jewish, Christian and Muslim congregations takes the same stand: What what makes Ba'hai unique is that the entire religion highlights The Golden Rule in this way.
6th Feb '14 2:30:01 PM slvstrChung
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# Technically, you can treat others any way as long as you don't recognize that they are "others" in the sense of having anything in common with you. Psychopaths, who tend to believe other people are not real, can commit a murder or murders without going against the golden rule as they understand it. (Flaw: The Golden Rule stipulates that others exist, by its nature. For philosophies that admit the possibility that others do ''not'' exist, see Solipsism and certain forms of {{Existentialism}}.)

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# Technically, you can treat others any way as long as you don't recognize that they are "others" in the sense of having anything in common with you. Psychopaths, who tend to believe other people are not real, can commit a murder or murders without going against the golden rule as they understand it. (Flaw: The Golden Rule stipulates that others exist, by its nature. For philosophies that admit the possibility that others do ''not'' exist, see Solipsism UsefulNotes/{{Solipsism}} and certain forms of {{Existentialism}}.)
24th Nov '13 2:23:15 PM TheBagel
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!!The worldview problem
Even with the advanced philosophical formulations, The Golden Rule only works if everyone involved can agree on the basics. For example, everyone except the most extreme Nazis agree that Jews, Homosexuals and the mentally handicapped are fellow human beings. Thus we won't accept their claims that the Holocaust was compatible with The Golden Rule (not that all, or even most, Nazi's advanced The Golden Rule in the first place of course). However, everyone except the most extreme [[AnimalWrongsGroup Animal Wrongs Group]] agree that pigs, dogs and cows are ''not'' fellow human beings. Thus [[BlueAndOrangeMorality their claims]] that we all break The Golden Rule [[GodwinsLaw just as badly as the Nazis]] falls on deaf ears.

Obviously, {{Flame War}}s can result from this, as various radicals try to convince you that your definition of "humanity" is inaccurate and you do the same to them. The only surefire way to defuse this (aside from {{Brainwashing}}) is to AgreeToDisagree: everyone has to recognize that "I have my beliefs, and you have yours." See strawman #4 above.
4th Jul '13 10:05:21 AM 313Bluestreak
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Also, the rule "An EyeForAnEye, a tooth for a tooth" ''can'' be interpreted as a rule of mercy, and thus related to The Golden Rule:

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Also, the rule "An EyeForAnEye, [[PayEvilUntoEvil eye for an eye]], a tooth for a tooth" ''can'' be interpreted as a rule of mercy, and thus related to The Golden Rule:
28th May '13 8:04:14 PM Specialist290
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While most people associate Christianity's take on The Golden Rule with Jesus' Sermon On The Mount, the principle is deeply rooted in the Old Testament as well. The law of Moses include "Love your neighbor as yourself", and in the new testament Jesus highlights this as the second most important commandment in the law (dwarfed only by the law to love God with all your heart [[hottip:*:and some interpretations have those two laws as being equal, or both necessary for the fulfilment of the other i.e. you cannot love God if you do not love your neighbor, as love for God implies respect and care for his creation, of which humanity would be a subset.]] .) Apocrypha such as Tobit includes outright formulations of The Golden Rule.

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While most people associate Christianity's take on The Golden Rule with Jesus' Sermon On The Mount, the principle is deeply rooted in the Old Testament as well. The law of Moses include "Love your neighbor as yourself", and in the new testament Jesus highlights this as the second most important commandment in the law (dwarfed only by the law to love God with all your heart [[hottip:*:and heart.) [[note]]And some interpretations have those two laws as being equal, or both necessary for the fulfilment of the other i.e. you cannot love God if you do not love your neighbor, as love for God implies respect and care for his creation, of which humanity would be a subset.]] .) [[/note]] Apocrypha such as Tobit includes outright formulations of The Golden Rule.
28th May '13 8:03:18 PM Specialist290
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While most people associate Christianity's take on The Golden Rule with Jesus' Sermon On The Mount, the principle is deeply rooted in the Old Testament as well. The law of Moses include "Love your neighbor as yourself", and in the new testament Jesus highlights this as the second most important commandment in the law (dwarfed only by the law to love God with all your heart [[hottip:*:and some interpretations have those two laws as being equal, or both necessary for the fulfilment of the other i.e. you cannot love God if you do not love your neighbor]] .) Apocrypha such as Tobit includes outright formulations of The Golden Rule.

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While most people associate Christianity's take on The Golden Rule with Jesus' Sermon On The Mount, the principle is deeply rooted in the Old Testament as well. The law of Moses include "Love your neighbor as yourself", and in the new testament Jesus highlights this as the second most important commandment in the law (dwarfed only by the law to love God with all your heart [[hottip:*:and some interpretations have those two laws as being equal, or both necessary for the fulfilment of the other i.e. you cannot love God if you do not love your neighbor]] .neighbor, as love for God implies respect and care for his creation, of which humanity would be a subset.]] .) Apocrypha such as Tobit includes outright formulations of The Golden Rule.
21st Apr '13 2:31:46 PM memememememe
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When judging the morality of the Golden Rule, one can look to many perspectives. Maybe it's because of [[TheDeontologist the principle behind acting according to the Golden Rule]]. Maybe it's because [[ForHappiness of the consequences of following it, as in treating kindness with kindness leads to greater net prosperity]]. Maybe it's a way to apply [[EquivalentExchange one of the most important and undeniable laws of science]] to justice and ethics. Or maybe because it's just social and psychological custom to reward your benefactors appropriately. For morality based on principles, the golden rule is the most common principle to base the morality on.

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When judging the morality of the Golden Rule, one can look to many perspectives. Maybe it's because of [[TheDeontologist the principle behind acting according to the Golden Rule]]. Maybe it's because [[ForHappiness of the consequences of following it, as in treating kindness with kindness leads to greater net prosperity]].prosperity and less suffering]]. Maybe it's a way to apply [[EquivalentExchange one of the most important and undeniable laws of science]] to justice and ethics. Or maybe because it's just social and psychological custom to reward your benefactors appropriately. For morality based on principles, the golden rule is the most common principle to base the morality on.
21st Apr '13 2:31:21 PM memememememe
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When judging if a action is moral or not, one can either look to [[TheDeontologist the principle behind the action]] or to [[ForHappiness the consequences of the action]]. For morality based on principles, the golden rule is the most common principle to base the morality on.

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When judging if a action is moral or not, the morality of the Golden Rule, one can either look to many perspectives. Maybe it's because of [[TheDeontologist the principle behind acting according to the action]] or to Golden Rule]]. Maybe it's because [[ForHappiness of the consequences of following it, as in treating kindness with kindness leads to greater net prosperity]]. Maybe it's a way to apply [[EquivalentExchange one of the action]].most important and undeniable laws of science]] to justice and ethics. Or maybe because it's just social and psychological custom to reward your benefactors appropriately. For morality based on principles, the golden rule is the most common principle to base the morality on.



# Technically, the formulations don't account for differences in taste and preference. A common strawman version of the rule is to treat others according to your own preferences, since that's how you would like to be treated. (Flaw: You want others to treat you according to ''your'' preferences rather than their own, which also means that you should treat them according to ''their'' preferences rather than your own.)

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# Technically, the formulations don't account for differences in taste and preference. A common strawman version of the rule is to treat others literally according to your own preferences, since that's how you would like to be treated. (Flaw: You want others to treat you according to ''your'' preferences rather than their own, which also means that you should treat them according to ''their'' preferences rather than your own.)



# Technically, you can treat others any way as long as you don't recognize that they are "others" in the sense of having anything in common with you. Psychopaths, who tend to believe other people are not real, can commit a murder or murders without going against the golden rule as they understand it. (Flaw: The Golden Rule stipulates that others exist, by its nature. For philosophies that admit the possibility that others do ''not'' exist, see {{Solopsism}} and certain forms of {{Existentialism}}.)

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# Technically, you can treat others any way as long as you don't recognize that they are "others" in the sense of having anything in common with you. Psychopaths, who tend to believe other people are not real, can commit a murder or murders without going against the golden rule as they understand it. (Flaw: The Golden Rule stipulates that others exist, by its nature. For philosophies that admit the possibility that others do ''not'' exist, see {{Solopsism}} Solipsism and certain forms of {{Existentialism}}.)



The Golden Rule is related to the principle that one should do no harm. This principle is sometimes refered to as The Silver Rule. There is some overlap: The Golden Rule also covers The Silver Rule to some extent, but isn't limited to it. Also, there are those who would argue that the negative formulations cover only the silver rule. (Thus twisting the spirit of the rule, see above.) Or simply claim that the title of "golden rule" should be reserved for formulations used by their own philosophy or religion, while any formulation used by any other philosophy or religion should by definition be demoted to "silver" status. The Silver Rule is the core of The Hippocratic Oath. It is also closely related to negative utilitarianism, the philosophy that we should only consider suffering, not happiness. Note that the Silver Rule is only partially covered by the Golden Rule, regardless of formulation: A negative formulation of The Golden Rule doesn't say that you should never hurt or sacrifice people, it says that you should only do so when they would agree that it's justified.

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The Golden Rule is related to the principle that one should do no harm. harm so that others don't harm you. This principle is sometimes refered referred to as The Silver Rule. There is some overlap: The Golden Rule also covers The Silver Rule to some extent, but isn't limited to it. Also, there are those who would argue that the negative formulations cover only the silver rule. (Thus twisting the spirit of the rule, see above.) Or simply claim that the title of "golden rule" should be reserved for formulations used by their own philosophy or religion, while any formulation used by any other philosophy or religion should by definition be demoted to "silver" status.

The Silver Rule is the core of The Hippocratic Oath. It is also closely related to negative utilitarianism, the philosophy that we should only consider lessening the amount suffering, not happiness. Note that the Silver Rule is only partially covered by the Golden Rule, regardless of formulation: A negative formulation of The Golden Rule doesn't say that you should never hurt or sacrifice people, it says that you should only do so when they would agree that it's justified.



While most people associate Christianity's take on The Golden Rule with Jesus' Sermon On The Mount, the principle is deeply rooted in the Old Testament as well. The law of Moses include "Love your neighbor as yourself", and in the new testament Jesus highlights this as the second most important commandment in the law (dwarfed only by the law to love God with all your heart [[hottip:*:and some interpretations have those two laws as being equal, or both necessary for the fulfilment of the other i.e. you cannot love God if you do not love your neighbor]] .) Apocrypha such as Tobit includes outright formulations of The Golden Rule. Also, the rule "An EyeForAnEye, a tooth for a tooth" ''can'' be intepreted as a rule of mercy, and thus related to The Golden Rule:

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While most people associate Christianity's take on The Golden Rule with Jesus' Sermon On The Mount, the principle is deeply rooted in the Old Testament as well. The law of Moses include "Love your neighbor as yourself", and in the new testament Jesus highlights this as the second most important commandment in the law (dwarfed only by the law to love God with all your heart [[hottip:*:and some interpretations have those two laws as being equal, or both necessary for the fulfilment of the other i.e. you cannot love God if you do not love your neighbor]] .) Apocrypha such as Tobit includes outright formulations of The Golden Rule.

Also, the rule "An EyeForAnEye, a tooth for a tooth" ''can'' be intepreted interpreted as a rule of mercy, and thus related to The Golden Rule:



These religions believe in The Golden Rule not only as a law or moral principle, but ''also'' as an unstoppable force of nature. Karma works in mysterious ways, and all the good and bad things we do to others will come back to us if not in this life, then in the next one. Likewise, whatever happens to us now is a reflection of how we treated others in the past. If we are fortunate enough to be born to kind and affluent parents that give us a good childhood, then that's because we treated others well in the previous lifetime. But if we squander this reward on a selfish lifestyle, then we won't do so well the next time.

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These religions believe in The Golden Rule not only as a law or moral principle, but ''also'' as an unstoppable force of nature. Karma [[CallItKarma Karma]] works in mysterious ways, and all the good and bad things we do to others will come back to us if not in this life, then in the next one. Likewise, whatever happens to us now is a reflection of how we treated others in the past. If we are fortunate enough to be born to kind and affluent parents that give us a good childhood, then that's because we treated others well in the previous lifetime. But if we squander this reward on a selfish lifestyle, then we won't do so well the next time.
29th Mar '13 10:21:52 AM LBHills
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** This formulation does away with a lot of possible semantic loopholes, including the previously mentioned four strawman versions. Of course the cathegorical imperative can be strawmanned as well, but it's not as easy.

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** This formulation does away with a lot of possible semantic loopholes, including the previously mentioned first four strawman versions. versions mentioned above. Of course the cathegorical categorical imperative can be strawmanned as well, but it's not as easy.
29th Mar '13 10:20:56 AM LBHills
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# Technically, the formulations don't account for differences in taste and preference. A common strawman version of the rule is to treat others according to your own preferences, since that's how you would like to be treated. (This disregards the fact that you want others to treat you according to your preferences rather then their own, which also means that you should treat them according to ''their'' preferences rather then your own.)
# Technically, the formulations don't account for context. Thus, a criminal could always argue that he doesn't want to be punished, and neither does the judge. (This disregards the larger picture, that the judge has not committed a crime, while the criminal has.)
# Technically, the positive and negative formulations could be interpreted as separate rules, not covering each other. Thus, a positive formulation would let you to do bad things to people as long as you also do good things, while a negative formulation would let you remain indifferent to the needs of others as long as you don't actively mistreat them. (This ignores that the difference between action and inaction is semantical, rather then morally relevant.)
# Technically, neither the positive nor the negative formulations forbid you to assume that [[SmallNameBigEgo you are right about everything]] and that everyone who might disagree with you about anything is automatically wrong. And, since you are in service of righteousness, you can [[IDidWhatIHadToDo do what you have to]] to [[WellIntentionedExtremist force your ways on everyone else]], while they don't have any right to try to force their ways on you. (This disregards that they are just as convinced, and have just as much right to ''be'' convinced, that ''they'' are right and ''you'' are wrong.)
# Technically, you can treat others any way as long as you don't recognize that they are "others" in the sense of having anything in common with you. Psychopaths, who tend to believe other people are not real, can serial murder without going against the golden rule as they understand it.

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# Technically, the formulations don't account for differences in taste and preference. A common strawman version of the rule is to treat others according to your own preferences, since that's how you would like to be treated. (This disregards the fact that you (Flaw: You want others to treat you according to your ''your'' preferences rather then than their own, which also means that you should treat them according to ''their'' preferences rather then than your own.)
# Technically, the formulations don't account for context. Thus, a criminal could always argue that he doesn't want to be punished, and neither does the judge. (This disregards the (Flaw: You are disregarding larger picture, conditions; in this case, that the judge has not committed a crime, while the criminal has.)
# Technically, the positive and negative formulations could be interpreted as separate rules, not covering each other. Thus, a positive formulation would let permit you to do bad things to people as long as you also do good things, while a negative formulation would let allow you to remain indifferent to the needs of others as long as you don't actively mistreat them. (This ignores that the (Flaw: The difference between action and inaction is semantical, a semantic one, rather then than a morally relevant.relevant one.)
# Technically, neither the positive nor the negative formulations forbid you to assume stipulate that [[SmallNameBigEgo you are right about everything]] and that everyone who might disagree with you about anything is automatically wrong. And, By this reasoning, since you are in service of righteousness, you can [[IDidWhatIHadToDo do what you have to]] to [[WellIntentionedExtremist [[MoralGuardians force your ways on everyone else]], while and they (being unrighteous) don't have any right to try to force their ways on you. (This disregards that (Flaw: By the application of the very same Rule, you are obliged to allow them their (different) convictions just as they are just as convinced, and have just as much right to ''be'' convinced, that ''they'' are right and ''you'' are wrong.allowing you yours.)
# Technically, you can treat others any way as long as you don't recognize that they are "others" in the sense of having anything in common with you. Psychopaths, who tend to believe other people are not real, can serial commit a murder or murders without going against the golden rule as they understand it.
it. (Flaw: The Golden Rule stipulates that others exist, by its nature. For philosophies that admit the possibility that others do ''not'' exist, see {{Solopsism}} and certain forms of {{Existentialism}}.)
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