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** Pro wrestling legend Wrestling/SatoruSayama was originally cast to the film, but he backed down in the feeling that he wasn't good enough as an actor, and also citing schedule troubles.

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** Pro Professional wrestling legend Wrestling/SatoruSayama was originally cast to the film, in an undisclosed but important role. However, he backed down in the feeling that he wasn't good enough as an actor, and actor for the film, also citing schedule troubles.

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* HollywoodHistory: Oh so very much. It's not quite as bad as the HollywoodMedievalJapan trope, but it mangles quite a bit of the history of 1860s and 1870s Japan. The biggest problem is that it conflates the Boshin War of 1868 with the later Satsuma Rebellion of 1877. In the Boshin War, the Imperialist faction made up of samurai from Satsuma (Kagoshima), Choshu (Yamaguchi) and Tosa (Kochi) defeated the Shogun's nascent Western-style army, largely because they were much more experienced with Western-style tactics and weaponry than the Shogun's side, which had only just adopted them. The turning point was the Battle of Toba-Fushimi in Kyoto, after which the Shogun put himself "at the disposal of the Emperor", ending the Shogunate politically (though not yet militarily).

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* HollywoodHistory: Oh so very much. CaliforniaDoubling: Filmed on location in UsefulNotes/NewZealand. Mount Egmont-Taranaki doubled as Mount Fuji, as the real deal was too heavily developed with human activity.
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It's not quite as bad as the HollywoodMedievalJapan trope, but it mangles quite a bit of the history of 1860s and 1870s Japan. The biggest problem is that it conflates the Boshin War of 1868 with the later Satsuma Rebellion of 1877. In the Boshin War, the Imperialist faction made up of samurai from Satsuma (Kagoshima), Choshu (Yamaguchi) and Tosa (Kochi) defeated the Shogun's nascent Western-style army, largely because they were much more experienced with Western-style tactics and weaponry than the Shogun's side, which had only just adopted them. The turning point was the Battle of Toba-Fushimi in Kyoto, after which the Shogun put himself "at the disposal of the Emperor", ending the Shogunate politically (though not yet militarily).



** Meanwhile, the ''samurai'' ethos, as portrayed in the film, is more a product of what came after them. Traditional battle tactics and weaponry had all been eliminated as ineffective against their Western counterparts, but the ''image'' of the Satsuma samurai -- going into battle for their very survival, knowing the odds were hopeless, but choosing to die with their era -- was romanticized and appropriated by the Meiji government. The traits we consider part and parcel of the samurai now -- their stoic nature, the honor of bushido, and their selfless sacrifice for the lord they served (or, as reinterpreted by Imperial Japan, the Emperor) -- were cynically used as propaganda, both inside and outside the military, as the ideal of Japanese character. (This was probably helped by the fact the samurai were no longer around to cut down commoners at the slightest provocation.) [[UnfortunateImplications Contrary to what the film suggests]], this was [[UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan not such]] [[UsefulNotes/KatanasOfTheRisingSun a good thing]] in the [[UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar long]] [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII run]].
** To clarify -- the Meiji restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically)[[note]]In Japanese, the word used is isshin, or "renovation", as the Meiji Emperor was never NOT Emperor, just that until 1872, the Imperial house was shunted off to the side as a figurehead, with all practical power exercised by the Shogunate, with the isshin reversing that turn of events and renovating the status of the Emperor[[/note]] upended the existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of the nation had unforeseen consequences. [[UsefulNotes/RussoJapaneseWar Two]] [[UsefulNotes/FirstSinoJapaneseWar successful wars]] against established empires and one world economic crisis later, Japan had a state religion centered on the figurehead of a military-dominated government, and a people trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the rest of Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set-up was more than just asking for trouble -- it was actively fomenting it and expecting things to work out okay somehow, regardless. Oops, indeed.

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** Meanwhile, the ''samurai'' ethos, as portrayed in the film, is more a product of what came after them. Traditional battle tactics and weaponry had all been eliminated as ineffective against their Western counterparts, but the ''image'' of the Satsuma samurai -- going into battle for their very survival, knowing the odds were hopeless, but choosing to die with their era -- was romanticized and appropriated by the Meiji government. The traits we consider part and parcel of the samurai now -- their stoic nature, the honor of bushido, and their selfless sacrifice for the lord they served (or, as reinterpreted by Imperial Japan, the Emperor) -- were cynically used as propaganda, both inside and outside the military, as the ideal of Japanese character. (This was probably helped by the fact the samurai were no longer around to cut down commoners at the slightest provocation.) [[UnfortunateImplications Contrary to what the film suggests]], suggests, this was [[UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan not such]] [[UsefulNotes/KatanasOfTheRisingSun a good thing]] in the [[UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar long]] [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII run]].
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run]]. To clarify -- the Meiji restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically)[[note]]In Japanese, the word used is isshin, or "renovation", as the Meiji Emperor was never NOT Emperor, just that until 1872, the Imperial house was shunted off to the side as a figurehead, with all practical power exercised by the Shogunate, with the isshin reversing that turn of events and renovating the status of the Emperor[[/note]] upended the existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of the nation had unforeseen consequences. [[UsefulNotes/RussoJapaneseWar Two]] [[UsefulNotes/FirstSinoJapaneseWar successful wars]] against established empires and one world economic crisis later, Japan had a state religion centered on the figurehead of a military-dominated government, and a people trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the rest of Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set-up was more than just asking for trouble -- it was actively fomenting it and expecting things to work out okay somehow, regardless. Oops, indeed.



* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Pro wrestling legend Wrestling/SatoruSayama was originally cast to the film, but he backed down in the feeling that he wasn't good enough as an actor, and also citing schedule troubles.
** In a far scarier version of this trope, Tom Cruise was almost killed during the filming of the fog battle. The mechanical horse he was atop malfunctioned (it was supposed to move him backwards). He therefore had no chance to dodge out of the way of the sharpened steel katana that was swinging at his neck. Luckily the person doing the swinging was a master swordsman and stopped it. [[BringMyBrownPants One inch from his neck.]]

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Pro wrestling legend Wrestling/SatoruSayama was originally cast to the film, but he backed down in the feeling that he wasn't good enough as an actor, and also citing schedule troubles.
** In a far scarier version of this trope, Tom Cruise was almost killed during the filming of the fog battle. The mechanical horse he was atop malfunctioned (it was supposed to move him backwards). He therefore had no chance to dodge out of the way of the sharpened steel katana that was swinging at his neck. Luckily the person doing the swinging was a master swordsman and stopped it. [[BringMyBrownPants One ''One inch from his neck.]]''
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** In a far scarier version of this trope, Tom Cruise was almost killed during the filming of the fog battle. The mechanical horse he was atop malfunctioned (it was supposed to move him backwards). He therefore had no chance to dodge out of the way of the sharpened steel katana that was swinging at his neck. Luckily the person doing the swinging was a master swordsman and stopped it. [[BringMeMyBrownPants One inch from his neck.]]

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** In a far scarier version of this trope, Tom Cruise was almost killed during the filming of the fog battle. The mechanical horse he was atop malfunctioned (it was supposed to move him backwards). He therefore had no chance to dodge out of the way of the sharpened steel katana that was swinging at his neck. Luckily the person doing the swinging was a master swordsman and stopped it. [[BringMeMyBrownPants [[BringMyBrownPants One inch from his neck.]]
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* ActorAllusion: Tony Goldwyn gets impaled on something sharp and pointy. [[{{Ghost}} Why does that sound familiar?]]

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* ActorAllusion: Tony Goldwyn gets impaled on something sharp and pointy. [[{{Ghost}} [[Film/{{Ghost}} Why does that sound familiar?]]
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** In a far scarier version of this trope, Tom Cruise was almost killed during the filming of the fog battle. The mechanical horse he was atop malfunctioned (it was supposed to move him backwards). He therefore had no chance to dodge out of the way of the sharpened steel katana that was swinging at his neck. Luckily the person doing the swinging was a master swordsman and stopped it. [[BringMeMyBrownPants '''One inch from his neck.''']]

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** In a far scarier version of this trope, Tom Cruise was almost killed during the filming of the fog battle. The mechanical horse he was atop malfunctioned (it was supposed to move him backwards). He therefore had no chance to dodge out of the way of the sharpened steel katana that was swinging at his neck. Luckily the person doing the swinging was a master swordsman and stopped it. [[BringMeMyBrownPants '''One One inch from his neck.''']]]]
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** In a far scarier version of this trope, Tom Cruise was almost killed during the filming of the fog battle. The mechanical horse he was atop malfunctioned (it was supposed to move him backwards). He therefore had no chance to dodge out of the way of the sharpened steel katana that was swinging at his neck. Luckily the person doing the swinging was a master swordsman and stopped it. [[BringMeMyBrownPants '''One inch from his neck.''']]
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Wrestling legend Wrestling/SatoruSayama was originally going to appear in the film, but he backed down feeling he was not good enough as an actor and citing schedule troubles.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Wrestling Pro wrestling legend Wrestling/SatoruSayama was originally going cast to appear in the film, but he backed down in the feeling that he was not wasn't good enough as an actor actor, and also citing schedule troubles.
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* WordOfGod: Some viewers bristled with the assumption that a white American man was the eponymous "Last Samurai", but the word of god clarified that the title refers to Katsumoto and his samurai. The "samurai" in the title refers to plural samurai.

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* WordOfGod: Some viewers bristled with the assumption that a white American man was the eponymous "Last Samurai", but the word of god clarified that the title refers to Katsumoto and his samurai. The "samurai" in the title refers to plural samurai.samurai.

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::In the Satsuma Rebellion, the same samurai who had led the Imperial restoration were incensed over the elimination of their social status, exclusive right to bear arms, and rice stipend by the Meiji government, and led a revolt under the banner of Saigo Takamori (the historical "Last True Samurai"). They were defeated at the Battle of Shiroyama in Kagoshima, where, outnumbered and outgunned, Saigo committed ritual suicide and his remaining followers died in a suicide charge on the army's front lines. At this point, both sides were entirely equipped with Western tactics, weaponry, and uniforms (in fact, nearly all depictions of Saigo show him wearing a French uniform, and never the traditional samurai armor, which at any rate was a relic of the Warring States period some 300 years earlier). Moreover, the Imperial Army of the time was composed mainly of members of the Tokyo police force, which itself was largely made up of former samurai from the provinces.

:: Algren's character was inspired by Jules Brunet, a French army officer who was sent to Japan in 1867 to train the army of the Shogunate for the coming battle with the Imperialist Satsuma-Choshu alliance. The troops lost anyway, but rather than get captured and defect to the other side, Brunet fled north with the remnants of the Shogun's army to Hokkaido, where he bore witness to the short-lived Republic of Ezo and the Shogunate's final defeat at the Battle of Hakodate. He never came around to the Imperial side, but his legacy was later rehabilitated by the Japanese government in recognition of his love for Japan and promotion of the country abroad.

:: Meanwhile, the ''samurai'' ethos, as portrayed in the film, is more a product of what came after them. Traditional battle tactics and weaponry had all been eliminated as ineffective against their Western counterparts, but the ''image'' of the Satsuma samurai -- going into battle for their very survival, knowing the odds were hopeless, but choosing to die with their era -- was romanticized and appropriated by the Meiji government. The traits we consider part and parcel of the samurai now -- their stoic nature, the honor of bushido, and their selfless sacrifice for the lord they served (or, as reinterpreted by Imperial Japan, the Emperor) -- were cynically used as propaganda, both inside and outside the military, as the ideal of Japanese character. (This was probably helped by the fact the samurai were no longer around to cut down commoners at the slightest provocation.) [[UnfortunateImplications Contrary to what the film suggests]], this was [[UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan not such]] [[UsefulNotes/KatanasOfTheRisingSun a good thing]] in the [[UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar long]] [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII run]].

:: To clarify -- the Meiji restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically)[[note]]In Japanese, the word used is isshin, or "renovation", as the Meiji Emperor was never NOT Emperor, just that until 1872, the Imperial house was shunted off to the side as a figurehead, with all practical power exercised by the Shogunate, with the isshin reversing that turn of events and renovating the status of the Emperor[[/note]] upended the existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of the nation had unforeseen consequences. [[UsefulNotes/RussoJapaneseWar Two]] [[UsefulNotes/FirstSinoJapaneseWar successful wars]] against established empires and one world economic crisis later, Japan had a state religion centered on the figurehead of a military-dominated government, and a people trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the rest of Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set-up was more than just asking for trouble -- it was actively fomenting it and expecting things to work out okay somehow, regardless. Oops, indeed.

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\n::In ** In the Satsuma Rebellion, the same samurai who had led the Imperial restoration were incensed over the elimination of their social status, exclusive right to bear arms, and rice stipend by the Meiji government, and led a revolt under the banner of Saigo Takamori (the historical "Last True Samurai"). They were defeated at the Battle of Shiroyama in Kagoshima, where, outnumbered and outgunned, Saigo committed ritual suicide and his remaining followers died in a suicide charge on the army's front lines. At this point, both sides were entirely equipped with Western tactics, weaponry, and uniforms (in fact, nearly all depictions of Saigo show him wearing a French uniform, and never the traditional samurai armor, which at any rate was a relic of the Warring States period some 300 years earlier). Moreover, the Imperial Army of the time was composed mainly of members of the Tokyo police force, which itself was largely made up of former samurai from the provinces.

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Algren's character was inspired by Jules Brunet, a French army officer who was sent to Japan in 1867 to train the army of the Shogunate for the coming battle with the Imperialist Satsuma-Choshu alliance. The troops lost anyway, but rather than get captured and defect to the other side, Brunet fled north with the remnants of the Shogun's army to Hokkaido, where he bore witness to the short-lived Republic of Ezo and the Shogunate's final defeat at the Battle of Hakodate. He never came around to the Imperial side, but his legacy was later rehabilitated by the Japanese government in recognition of his love for Japan and promotion of the country abroad.

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abroad.
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Meanwhile, the ''samurai'' ethos, as portrayed in the film, is more a product of what came after them. Traditional battle tactics and weaponry had all been eliminated as ineffective against their Western counterparts, but the ''image'' of the Satsuma samurai -- going into battle for their very survival, knowing the odds were hopeless, but choosing to die with their era -- was romanticized and appropriated by the Meiji government. The traits we consider part and parcel of the samurai now -- their stoic nature, the honor of bushido, and their selfless sacrifice for the lord they served (or, as reinterpreted by Imperial Japan, the Emperor) -- were cynically used as propaganda, both inside and outside the military, as the ideal of Japanese character. (This was probably helped by the fact the samurai were no longer around to cut down commoners at the slightest provocation.) [[UnfortunateImplications Contrary to what the film suggests]], this was [[UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan not such]] [[UsefulNotes/KatanasOfTheRisingSun a good thing]] in the [[UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar long]] [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII run]]. \n\n::
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To clarify -- the Meiji restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically)[[note]]In Japanese, the word used is isshin, or "renovation", as the Meiji Emperor was never NOT Emperor, just that until 1872, the Imperial house was shunted off to the side as a figurehead, with all practical power exercised by the Shogunate, with the isshin reversing that turn of events and renovating the status of the Emperor[[/note]] upended the existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of the nation had unforeseen consequences. [[UsefulNotes/RussoJapaneseWar Two]] [[UsefulNotes/FirstSinoJapaneseWar successful wars]] against established empires and one world economic crisis later, Japan had a state religion centered on the figurehead of a military-dominated government, and a people trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the rest of Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set-up was more than just asking for trouble -- it was actively fomenting it and expecting things to work out okay somehow, regardless. Oops, indeed.indeed.
* IAmNotShazam: Algren is not the last samurai, Katsumoto is. See WordOfGod. Or, alternately and arguably more appropriately, the last samurai ''are'' Katsumoto and his men, since the word is both singular and plural.
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* WordOfGod: Some viewers bristled with the assumption that a white American man was the eponymous "Last Samurai", but the word of god clarified that the title refers to Katsumoto and his samurai. The "samurai" in the title refers to plural samurai.

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* WordOfGod: Some viewers bristled with the assumption that a white American man was the eponymous "Last Samurai", but the word of god clarified that the title refers to Katsumoto and his samurai. The "samurai" in the title refers to plural samurai.



:: To clarify -- the Meiji restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically)[[note]]In Japanese, the word used is isshin, or "renovation", as the Meiji Emperor was never NOT Emperor, just that until 1872, the Imperial house was shunted off to the side as a figurehead, with all practical power exercised by the Shogunate, with the isshin reversing that turn of events and renovating the status of the Emperor[[/note]] upended the existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of the nation had unforeseen consequences. [[UsefulNotes/RussoJapaneseWar Two]] [[UsefulNotes/FirstSinoJapaneseWar successful wars]] against established empires and one world economic crisis later, Japan had a state religion centered on the figurehead of a military-dominated government, and a people trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the rest of Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set-up was more than just asking for trouble -- it was actively fomenting it and expecting things to work out okay somehow, regardless. Oops, indeed.

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:: To clarify -- the Meiji restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically)[[note]]In Japanese, the word used is isshin, or "renovation", as the Meiji Emperor was never NOT Emperor, just that until 1872, the Imperial house was shunted off to the side as a figurehead, with all practical power exercised by the Shogunate, with the isshin reversing that turn of events and renovating the status of the Emperor[[/note]] upended the existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of the nation had unforeseen consequences. [[UsefulNotes/RussoJapaneseWar Two]] [[UsefulNotes/FirstSinoJapaneseWar successful wars]] against established empires and one world economic crisis later, Japan had a state religion centered on the figurehead of a military-dominated government, and a people trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the rest of Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set-up was more than just asking for trouble -- it was actively fomenting it and expecting things to work out okay somehow, regardless. Oops, indeed.indeed.
* WordOfGod: Some viewers bristled with the assumption that a white American man was the eponymous "Last Samurai", but the word of god clarified that the title refers to Katsumoto and his samurai. The "samurai" in the title refers to plural samurai.
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* HollywoodHistory: Oh so very much. It's not quite as bad as the MedievalJapan trope, but it mangles quite a bit of the history of 1860s and 1870s Japan. The biggest problem is that it conflates the Boshin War of 1868 with the later Satsuma Rebellion of 1877. In the Boshin War, the Imperialist faction made up of samurai from Satsuma (Kagoshima), Choshu (Yamaguchi) and Tosa (Kochi) defeated the Shogun's nascent Western-style army, largely because they were much more experienced with Western-style tactics and weaponry than the Shogun's side, which had only just adopted them. The turning point was the Battle of Toba-Fushimi in Kyoto, after which the Shogun put himself "at the disposal of the Emperor", ending the Shogunate politically (though not yet militarily).

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* HollywoodHistory: Oh so very much. It's not quite as bad as the MedievalJapan HollywoodMedievalJapan trope, but it mangles quite a bit of the history of 1860s and 1870s Japan. The biggest problem is that it conflates the Boshin War of 1868 with the later Satsuma Rebellion of 1877. In the Boshin War, the Imperialist faction made up of samurai from Satsuma (Kagoshima), Choshu (Yamaguchi) and Tosa (Kochi) defeated the Shogun's nascent Western-style army, largely because they were much more experienced with Western-style tactics and weaponry than the Shogun's side, which had only just adopted them. The turning point was the Battle of Toba-Fushimi in Kyoto, after which the Shogun put himself "at the disposal of the Emperor", ending the Shogunate politically (though not yet militarily).
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* WordOfGod: Some viewers bristled with the assumption that a white American man was the eponymous "Last Samurai", but the word of god clarified that the title refers to Katsumoto and his samurai. The "samurai" in the title refers to plural samurai.
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:: Meanwhile, the ''samurai'' ethos, as portrayed in the film, is more a product of what came after them. Traditional battle tactics and weaponry had all been eliminated as ineffective against their Western counterparts, but the ''image'' of the Satsuma samurai -- going into battle for their very survival, knowing the odds were hopeless, but choosing to die with their era -- was romanticized and appropriated by the Meiji government. The traits we consider part and parcel of the samurai now -- their stoic nature, the honor of bushido, and their selfless sacrifice for the lord they served (or, as reinterpreted by Imperial Japan, the Emperor) -- were cynically used as propaganda, both inside and outside the military, as the ideal of Japanese character. (This was probably helped by the fact the samurai were no longer around to cut down commoners at the slightest provocation.) [[UnfortunateImplications Contrary to what the film suggests]], this was [[ImperialJapan not such]] [[KatanasOfTheRisingSun a good thing]] in the [[SecondSinoJapaneseWar long]] [[WorldWarII run]].

:: To clarify -- the Meiji restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically)[[note]]In Japanese, the word used is isshin, or "renovation", as the Meiji Emperor was never NOT Emperor, just that until 1872, the Imperial house was shunted off to the side as a figurehead, with all practical power exercised by the Shogunate, with the isshin reversing that turn of events and renovating the status of the Emperor[[/note]] upended the existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of the nation had unforeseen consequences. [[RussoJapaneseWar Two]] [[FirstSinoJapaneseWar successful wars]] against established empires and one world economic crisis later, Japan had a state religion centered on the figurehead of a military-dominated government, and a people trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the rest of Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set-up was more than just asking for trouble -- it was actively fomenting it and expecting things to work out okay somehow, regardless. Oops, indeed.

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:: Meanwhile, the ''samurai'' ethos, as portrayed in the film, is more a product of what came after them. Traditional battle tactics and weaponry had all been eliminated as ineffective against their Western counterparts, but the ''image'' of the Satsuma samurai -- going into battle for their very survival, knowing the odds were hopeless, but choosing to die with their era -- was romanticized and appropriated by the Meiji government. The traits we consider part and parcel of the samurai now -- their stoic nature, the honor of bushido, and their selfless sacrifice for the lord they served (or, as reinterpreted by Imperial Japan, the Emperor) -- were cynically used as propaganda, both inside and outside the military, as the ideal of Japanese character. (This was probably helped by the fact the samurai were no longer around to cut down commoners at the slightest provocation.) [[UnfortunateImplications Contrary to what the film suggests]], this was [[ImperialJapan [[UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan not such]] [[KatanasOfTheRisingSun [[UsefulNotes/KatanasOfTheRisingSun a good thing]] in the [[SecondSinoJapaneseWar [[UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar long]] [[WorldWarII [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII run]].

:: To clarify -- the Meiji restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically)[[note]]In Japanese, the word used is isshin, or "renovation", as the Meiji Emperor was never NOT Emperor, just that until 1872, the Imperial house was shunted off to the side as a figurehead, with all practical power exercised by the Shogunate, with the isshin reversing that turn of events and renovating the status of the Emperor[[/note]] upended the existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of the nation had unforeseen consequences. [[RussoJapaneseWar [[UsefulNotes/RussoJapaneseWar Two]] [[FirstSinoJapaneseWar [[UsefulNotes/FirstSinoJapaneseWar successful wars]] against established empires and one world economic crisis later, Japan had a state religion centered on the figurehead of a military-dominated government, and a people trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the rest of Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set-up was more than just asking for trouble -- it was actively fomenting it and expecting things to work out okay somehow, regardless. Oops, indeed.
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:: To clarify -- the Meiji restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically)[[note]]In Japanese, the word used is isshin, or "renovation", as the Meiji Emperor was never NOT Emperor, just that until 1872, the Imperial house was shunted off to the side as a figurehead, with all practical power exercised by the Shogunate, with the isshin reversing that turn of events and renovating the status of the Emperor[[/note]] upended the existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of the nation had unforeseen consequences. Two successful wars against established empires and one world economic crisis later, Japan had a state religion centered on the figurehead of a military-dominated government, and a people trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the rest of Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set-up was more than just asking for trouble -- it was actively fomenting it and expecting things to work out okay somehow, regardless. Oops, indeed.

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:: To clarify -- the Meiji restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically)[[note]]In Japanese, the word used is isshin, or "renovation", as the Meiji Emperor was never NOT Emperor, just that until 1872, the Imperial house was shunted off to the side as a figurehead, with all practical power exercised by the Shogunate, with the isshin reversing that turn of events and renovating the status of the Emperor[[/note]] upended the existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of the nation had unforeseen consequences. Two [[RussoJapaneseWar Two]] [[FirstSinoJapaneseWar successful wars wars]] against established empires and one world economic crisis later, Japan had a state religion centered on the figurehead of a military-dominated government, and a people trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the rest of Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set-up was more than just asking for trouble -- it was actively fomenting it and expecting things to work out okay somehow, regardless. Oops, indeed.
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:: To clarify -- the Meiji restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically)[[hottip:*:In Japanese, the word used is isshin, or "renovation", as the Meiji Emperor was never NOT Emperor, just that until 1872, the Imperial house was shunted off to the side as a figurehead, with all practical power exercised by the Shogunate, with the isshin reversing that turn of events and renovating the status of the Emperor]] upended the existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of the nation had unforeseen consequences. Two successful wars against established empires and one world economic crisis later, Japan had a state religion centered on the figurehead of a military-dominated government, and a people trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the rest of Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set-up was more than just asking for trouble -- it was actively fomenting it and expecting things to work out okay somehow, regardless. Oops, indeed.

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:: To clarify -- the Meiji restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically)[[hottip:*:In politically)[[note]]In Japanese, the word used is isshin, or "renovation", as the Meiji Emperor was never NOT Emperor, just that until 1872, the Imperial house was shunted off to the side as a figurehead, with all practical power exercised by the Shogunate, with the isshin reversing that turn of events and renovating the status of the Emperor]] Emperor[[/note]] upended the existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of the nation had unforeseen consequences. Two successful wars against established empires and one world economic crisis later, Japan had a state religion centered on the figurehead of a military-dominated government, and a people trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the rest of Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set-up was more than just asking for trouble -- it was actively fomenting it and expecting things to work out okay somehow, regardless. Oops, indeed.
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:: To clarify -- the Meiji restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically), upended the existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of the nation had unforeseen consequences. Two successful wars against established empries and one world economic crisis later, Japan had a state religion centered on the figurehead of a military-dominated government, and a people trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the rest of Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set-up was more than just asking for trouble -- it was actively fomenting it and expecting things to work out okay somehow, regardless. Oops, indeed.

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:: To clarify -- the Meiji restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically), politically)[[hottip:*:In Japanese, the word used is isshin, or "renovation", as the Meiji Emperor was never NOT Emperor, just that until 1872, the Imperial house was shunted off to the side as a figurehead, with all practical power exercised by the Shogunate, with the isshin reversing that turn of events and renovating the status of the Emperor]] upended the existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of the nation had unforeseen consequences. Two successful wars against established empries empires and one world economic crisis later, Japan had a state religion centered on the figurehead of a military-dominated government, and a people trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the rest of Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set-up was more than just asking for trouble -- it was actively fomenting it and expecting things to work out okay somehow, regardless. Oops, indeed.
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* ActorAllusion: Tony Goldwyn gets impaled on something sharp and pointy. [[{{Ghost}} Why does that sound familiar?]]

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* ActorAllusion: Tony Goldwyn gets impaled on something sharp and pointy. [[{{Ghost}} Why does that sound familiar?]]familiar?]]
* HollywoodHistory: Oh so very much. It's not quite as bad as the MedievalJapan trope, but it mangles quite a bit of the history of 1860s and 1870s Japan. The biggest problem is that it conflates the Boshin War of 1868 with the later Satsuma Rebellion of 1877. In the Boshin War, the Imperialist faction made up of samurai from Satsuma (Kagoshima), Choshu (Yamaguchi) and Tosa (Kochi) defeated the Shogun's nascent Western-style army, largely because they were much more experienced with Western-style tactics and weaponry than the Shogun's side, which had only just adopted them. The turning point was the Battle of Toba-Fushimi in Kyoto, after which the Shogun put himself "at the disposal of the Emperor", ending the Shogunate politically (though not yet militarily).

::In the Satsuma Rebellion, the same samurai who had led the Imperial restoration were incensed over the elimination of their social status, exclusive right to bear arms, and rice stipend by the Meiji government, and led a revolt under the banner of Saigo Takamori (the historical "Last True Samurai"). They were defeated at the Battle of Shiroyama in Kagoshima, where, outnumbered and outgunned, Saigo committed ritual suicide and his remaining followers died in a suicide charge on the army's front lines. At this point, both sides were entirely equipped with Western tactics, weaponry, and uniforms (in fact, nearly all depictions of Saigo show him wearing a French uniform, and never the traditional samurai armor, which at any rate was a relic of the Warring States period some 300 years earlier). Moreover, the Imperial Army of the time was composed mainly of members of the Tokyo police force, which itself was largely made up of former samurai from the provinces.

:: Algren's character was inspired by Jules Brunet, a French army officer who was sent to Japan in 1867 to train the army of the Shogunate for the coming battle with the Imperialist Satsuma-Choshu alliance. The troops lost anyway, but rather than get captured and defect to the other side, Brunet fled north with the remnants of the Shogun's army to Hokkaido, where he bore witness to the short-lived Republic of Ezo and the Shogunate's final defeat at the Battle of Hakodate. He never came around to the Imperial side, but his legacy was later rehabilitated by the Japanese government in recognition of his love for Japan and promotion of the country abroad.

:: Meanwhile, the ''samurai'' ethos, as portrayed in the film, is more a product of what came after them. Traditional battle tactics and weaponry had all been eliminated as ineffective against their Western counterparts, but the ''image'' of the Satsuma samurai -- going into battle for their very survival, knowing the odds were hopeless, but choosing to die with their era -- was romanticized and appropriated by the Meiji government. The traits we consider part and parcel of the samurai now -- their stoic nature, the honor of bushido, and their selfless sacrifice for the lord they served (or, as reinterpreted by Imperial Japan, the Emperor) -- were cynically used as propaganda, both inside and outside the military, as the ideal of Japanese character. (This was probably helped by the fact the samurai were no longer around to cut down commoners at the slightest provocation.) [[UnfortunateImplications Contrary to what the film suggests]], this was [[ImperialJapan not such]] [[KatanasOfTheRisingSun a good thing]] in the [[SecondSinoJapaneseWar long]] [[WorldWarII run]].

:: To clarify -- the Meiji restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically), upended the existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of the nation had unforeseen consequences. Two successful wars against established empries and one world economic crisis later, Japan had a state religion centered on the figurehead of a military-dominated government, and a people trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the rest of Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set-up was more than just asking for trouble -- it was actively fomenting it and expecting things to work out okay somehow, regardless. Oops, indeed.

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* ActorAllusion: Tony Goldwyn gets impaled on something sharp and pointy. [[{{Ghost}} Why does that sound familiar?]]
* HollywoodHistory: Oh so very much. It's not quite as bad as the MedievalJapan trope, but it mangles quite a bit of the history of 1860s and 1870s Japan. The biggest problem is that it conflates the Boshin War of 1868 with the later Satsuma Rebellion of 1877. In the Boshin War, the Imperialist faction made up of samurai from Satsuma (Kagoshima), Choshu (Yamaguchi) and Tosa (Kochi) defeated the Shogun's nascent Western-style army, largely because they were much more experienced with Western-style tactics and weaponry than the Shogun's side, which had only just adopted them. The turning point was the Battle of Toba-Fushimi in Kyoto, after which the Shogun put himself "at the disposal of the Emperor", ending the Shogunate politically (though not yet militarily).

::In the Satsuma Rebellion, the same samurai who had led the Imperial restoration were incensed over the elimination of their social status, exclusive right to bear arms, and rice stipend by the Meiji government, and led a revolt under the banner of Saigo Takamori (the historical "Last True Samurai"). They were defeated at the Battle of Shiroyama in Kagoshima, where, outnumbered and outgunned, Saigo committed ritual suicide and his remaining followers died in a suicide charge on the army's front lines. At this point, both sides were entirely equipped with Western tactics, weaponry, and uniforms (in fact, nearly all depictions of Saigo show him wearing a French uniform, and never the traditional samurai armor, which at any rate was a relic of the Warring States period some 300 years earlier). Moreover, the Imperial Army of the time was composed mainly of members of the Tokyo police force, which itself was largely made up of former samurai from the provinces.

:: Algren's character was inspired by Jules Brunet, a French army officer who was sent to Japan in 1867 to train the army of the Shogunate for the coming battle with the Imperialist Satsuma-Choshu alliance. The troops lost anyway, but rather than get captured and defect to the other side, Brunet fled north with the remnants of the Shogun's army to Hokkaido, where he bore witness to the short-lived Republic of Ezo and the Shogunate's final defeat at the Battle of Hakodate. He never came around to the Imperial side, but his legacy was later rehabilitated by the Japanese government in recognition of his love for Japan and promotion of the country abroad.

:: Meanwhile, the ''samurai'' ethos, as portrayed in the film, is more a product of what came after them. Traditional battle tactics and weaponry had all been eliminated as ineffective against their Western counterparts, but the ''image'' of the Satsuma samurai -- going into battle for their very survival, knowing the odds were hopeless, but choosing to die with their era -- was romanticized and appropriated by the Meiji government. The traits we consider part and parcel of the samurai now -- their stoic nature, the honor of bushido, and their selfless sacrifice for the lord they served (or, as reinterpreted by Imperial Japan, the Emperor) -- were cynically used as propaganda, both inside and outside the military, as the ideal of Japanese character. (This was probably helped by the fact the samurai were no longer around to cut down commoners at the slightest provocation.) [[UnfortunateImplications Contrary to what the film suggests]], this was [[ImperialJapan not such]] [[KatanasOfTheRisingSun a good thing]] in the [[SecondSinoJapaneseWar long]] [[WorldWarII run]].

:: To clarify -- the Meiji restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically), upended the existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of the nation had unforeseen consequences. Two successful wars against established empries and one world economic crisis later, Japan had a state religion centered on the figurehead of a military-dominated government, and a people trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the rest of Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set-up was more than just asking for trouble -- it was actively fomenting it and expecting things to work out okay somehow, regardless. Oops, indeed.

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* ActorAllusion: Tony Goldwyn gets impaled on something sharp and pointy. [[{{Ghost}} Why does that sound familiar?]]
* HollywoodHistory: Oh so very much. It's not quite as bad as the MedievalJapan trope, but it mangles quite a bit of the history of 1860s and 1870s Japan. The biggest problem is that it conflates the Boshin War of 1868 with the later Satsuma Rebellion of 1877. In the Boshin War, the Imperialist faction made up of samurai from Satsuma (Kagoshima), Choshu (Yamaguchi) and Tosa (Kochi) defeated the Shogun's nascent Western-style army, largely because they were much more experienced with Western-style tactics and weaponry than the Shogun's side, which had only just adopted them. The turning point was the Battle of Toba-Fushimi in Kyoto, after which the Shogun put himself "at the disposal of the Emperor", ending the Shogunate politically (though not yet militarily).

::In the Satsuma Rebellion, the same samurai who had led the Imperial restoration were incensed over the elimination of their social status, exclusive right to bear arms, and rice stipend by the Meiji government, and led a revolt under the banner of Saigo Takamori (the historical "Last True Samurai"). They were defeated at the Battle of Shiroyama in Kagoshima, where, outnumbered and outgunned, Saigo committed ritual suicide and his remaining followers died in a suicide charge on the army's front lines. At this point, both sides were entirely equipped with Western tactics, weaponry, and uniforms (in fact, nearly all depictions of Saigo show him wearing a French uniform, and never the traditional samurai armor, which at any rate was a relic of the Warring States period some 300 years earlier). Moreover, the Imperial Army of the time was composed mainly of members of the Tokyo police force, which itself was largely made up of former samurai from the provinces.

:: Algren's character was inspired by Jules Brunet, a French army officer who was sent to Japan in 1867 to train the army of the Shogunate for the coming battle with the Imperialist Satsuma-Choshu alliance. The troops lost anyway, but rather than get captured and defect to the other side, Brunet fled north with the remnants of the Shogun's army to Hokkaido, where he bore witness to the short-lived Republic of Ezo and the Shogunate's final defeat at the Battle of Hakodate. He never came around to the Imperial side, but his legacy was later rehabilitated by the Japanese government in recognition of his love for Japan and promotion of the country abroad.

:: Meanwhile, the ''samurai'' ethos, as portrayed in the film, is more a product of what came after them. Traditional battle tactics and weaponry had all been eliminated as ineffective against their Western counterparts, but the ''image'' of the Satsuma samurai -- going into battle for their very survival, knowing the odds were hopeless, but choosing to die with their era -- was romanticized and appropriated by the Meiji government. The traits we consider part and parcel of the samurai now -- their stoic nature, the honor of bushido, and their selfless sacrifice for the lord they served (or, as reinterpreted by Imperial Japan, the Emperor) -- were cynically used as propaganda, both inside and outside the military, as the ideal of Japanese character. (This was probably helped by the fact the samurai were no longer around to cut down commoners at the slightest provocation.) [[UnfortunateImplications Contrary to what the film suggests]], this was [[ImperialJapan not such]] [[KatanasOfTheRisingSun a good thing]] in the [[SecondSinoJapaneseWar long]] [[WorldWarII run]].

:: To clarify -- the Meiji restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically), upended the existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of the nation had unforeseen consequences. Two successful wars against established empries and one world economic crisis later, Japan had a state religion centered on the figurehead of a military-dominated government, and a people trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the rest of Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set-up was more than just asking for trouble -- it was actively fomenting it and expecting things to work out okay somehow, regardless. Oops, indeed.
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* ActorAllusion: Tony Goldwyn gets impaled on something sharp and pointy. [[Film/Ghost Why does that sound familiar?]]

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:: To clarify -- the Meiji restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically), upended the existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of the nation had unforeseen consequences. Two successful wars against established empries and one world economic crisis later, Japan had a state religion centered on the figurehead of a military-dominated government, and a people trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the rest of Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set-up was more than just asking for trouble: it was actively fomenting it and expecting things to work out okay somehow, regardless. Oops, indeed.

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:: To clarify -- the Meiji restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically), upended the existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of the nation had unforeseen consequences. Two successful wars against established empries and one world economic crisis later, Japan had a state religion centered on the figurehead of a military-dominated government, and a people trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the rest of Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set-up was more than just asking for trouble: trouble -- it was actively fomenting it and expecting things to work out okay somehow, regardless. Oops, indeed.
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:: To clarify: the Meiji restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically), upended the existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of the nation had unforeseen consequences. Two successful wars against established empries and one world economic crisis later, Japan had a state religion centered on the figurehead of a military-dominated government, and a people trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the rest of Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set-up was more than just asking for trouble: it was actively fomenting it and expecting things to work out okay somehow, regardless. Oops, indeed.

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:: To clarify: clarify -- the Meiji restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically), upended the existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of the nation had unforeseen consequences. Two successful wars against established empries and one world economic crisis later, Japan had a state religion centered on the figurehead of a military-dominated government, and a people trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the rest of Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set-up was more than just asking for trouble: it was actively fomenting it and expecting things to work out okay somehow, regardless. Oops, indeed.

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:: Though to be fair, culture does not directly translate into politics. The biggest issue the Meiji era left unresolved was the set-up of the new state and the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. What modern Japan ended up getting out of all this, two successful wars of 'defensive/reactionary imperialism' and a massive world economic crisis later, was a State Religion centred on the Figure-Head of a Military-dominated Government, one backed enthusiastically by a jingoistic, aggressively nationalistic people who saw themselves as the cream of humanity. And ''that'' set up was more than just asking for trouble, it was actively fomenting it and expecting it to work out okay somehow.

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:: Though to be fair, culture does not directly translate into politics. The biggest issue To clarify: the Meiji era left unresolved was restoration (really a "revolution" both culturally and politically), upended the set-up of the new state and existing order, fundamentally changing the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. What modern Japan ended up getting out While the Meiji government successfully consolidated its power through military conscription, compulsory education/propaganda, and co-opting Shinto as a state religion centered on the Emperor, its wholesale tinkering with the very fabric of all this, two the nation had unforeseen consequences. Two successful wars of 'defensive/reactionary imperialism' against established empries and a massive one world economic crisis later, was Japan had a State Religion centred state religion centered on the Figure-Head figurehead of a Military-dominated Government, one backed enthusiastically by military-dominated government, and a jingoistic, aggressively nationalistic people who saw themselves as trained from birth to believe it was Japan's divinely-ordained mission to either civilize or subjugate the cream rest of humanity. Asia in the name of countering Western colonialism, by whatever means necessary. And ''that'' set up set-up was more than just asking for trouble, trouble: it was actively fomenting it and expecting it things to work out okay somehow.

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:: Algren's character was inspired by Jules Brunet, a French army officer who was sent to Japan in 1867 to train the army of the Shogunate for the coming battle with the Imperialist Satsuma-Choshu alliance. The troops lost anyway, but rather than get captured and defect to the other side, Brunet fled north with the remnants of the Shogun's army to Hokkaido, where he bore witness to the short-lived Republic of Ezo and the Shogunate's final defeat at the Battle of Hakodate. He never came around to the Imperial side, but his legacy was later rehabilitated by the Japanese government.

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:: Algren's character was inspired by Jules Brunet, a French army officer who was sent to Japan in 1867 to train the army of the Shogunate for the coming battle with the Imperialist Satsuma-Choshu alliance. The troops lost anyway, but rather than get captured and defect to the other side, Brunet fled north with the remnants of the Shogun's army to Hokkaido, where he bore witness to the short-lived Republic of Ezo and the Shogunate's final defeat at the Battle of Hakodate. He never came around to the Imperial side, but his legacy was later rehabilitated by the Japanese government.
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:: Though to be fair, culture does not directly translate into politics. The biggest issue the Meiji era left unresolved was the set-up of the new state and the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. What modern Japan ended up getting out of all this, some successful wars of 'defensive/reactionary imperialism' later, was a State Religion directed around the head of a Military-dominated Government, all enthusiastically backed by a jingoistic, aggressively nationalistic people who saw themselves as the cream of humanity. And ''that'' set up was more than just asking for trouble, it was actively fomenting it and expecting it to work out okay somehow.

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:: Though to be fair, culture does not directly translate into politics. The biggest issue the Meiji era left unresolved was the set-up of the new state and the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. What modern Japan ended up getting out of all this, some two successful wars of 'defensive/reactionary imperialism' and a massive world economic crisis later, was a State Religion directed around centred on the head Figure-Head of a Military-dominated Government, all one backed enthusiastically backed by a jingoistic, aggressively nationalistic people who saw themselves as the cream of humanity. And ''that'' set up was more than just asking for trouble, it was actively fomenting it and expecting it to work out okay somehow.
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Though to be fair, culture does not directly translate into politics. The biggest issue the Meiji era left unresolved was the set-up of the new state and the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. What modern Japan ended up getting out of all this, some successful wars of 'defensive/reactionary imperialism' later, was a State Religion directed around the head of a Military-dominated Government, all enthusiastically backed by a jingoistic, aggressively nationalistic people who saw themselves as the cream of humanity. And ''that'' set up was more than just asking for trouble, it was actively fomenting it and expecting it to work out okay somehow.

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:: Though to be fair, culture does not directly translate into politics. The biggest issue the Meiji era left unresolved was the set-up of the new state and the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State and Japan's place in the world. What modern Japan ended up getting out of all this, some successful wars of 'defensive/reactionary imperialism' later, was a State Religion directed around the head of a Military-dominated Government, all enthusiastically backed by a jingoistic, aggressively nationalistic people who saw themselves as the cream of humanity. And ''that'' set up was more than just asking for trouble, it was actively fomenting it and expecting it to work out okay somehow.

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:: Meanwhile, the ''samurai'' ethos, as portrayed in the film, is more a product of what came after them. Traditional battle tactics and weaponry had all been eliminated as ineffective against their Western counterparts, but the ''image'' of the Satsuma samurai -- going into battle for their very survival, knowing the odds were hopeless, but choosing to die with their era -- was romanticized and appropriated by the Meiji government. The traits we consider part and parcel of the samurai now -- their stoic nature, the honor of bushido, and their selfless sacrifice for the lord they served (or, as reinterpreted by Imperial Japan, the Emperor) -- were cynically used as propaganda, both inside and outside the military, as the ideal of Japanese character. (This was probably helped by the fact the samurai were no longer around to cut down commoners at the slightest provocation.) [[UnfortunateImplications Contrary to what the film suggests]], this was [[ImperialJapan not such]] [[KatanasOfTheRisingSun a good thing]] in the [[SecondSinoJapaneseWar long]] [[WorldWarII run]]. Though to be fair, culture does not directly translate into politics, and the biggest issue the Meiji era left hanging was probably the separation of Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State. What modern Japan ended up getting out of all this was a State Religion directed around the head of a Military-dominated Government, all enthusiastically backed by the people. Oops.

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:: Meanwhile, the ''samurai'' ethos, as portrayed in the film, is more a product of what came after them. Traditional battle tactics and weaponry had all been eliminated as ineffective against their Western counterparts, but the ''image'' of the Satsuma samurai -- going into battle for their very survival, knowing the odds were hopeless, but choosing to die with their era -- was romanticized and appropriated by the Meiji government. The traits we consider part and parcel of the samurai now -- their stoic nature, the honor of bushido, and their selfless sacrifice for the lord they served (or, as reinterpreted by Imperial Japan, the Emperor) -- were cynically used as propaganda, both inside and outside the military, as the ideal of Japanese character. (This was probably helped by the fact the samurai were no longer around to cut down commoners at the slightest provocation.) [[UnfortunateImplications Contrary to what the film suggests]], this was [[ImperialJapan not such]] [[KatanasOfTheRisingSun a good thing]] in the [[SecondSinoJapaneseWar long]] [[WorldWarII run]].

Though to be fair, culture does not directly translate into politics, and the politics. The biggest issue the Meiji era left hanging unresolved was probably the separation set-up of the new state and the relationship between Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State. State and Japan's place in the world. What modern Japan ended up getting out of all this this, some successful wars of 'defensive/reactionary imperialism' later, was a State Religion directed around the head of a Military-dominated Government, all enthusiastically backed by a jingoistic, aggressively nationalistic people who saw themselves as the people. Oops.cream of humanity. And ''that'' set up was more than just asking for trouble, it was actively fomenting it and expecting it to work out okay somehow.

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:: Meanwhile, the ''samurai'' ethos, as portrayed in the film, is more a product of what came after them. Traditional battle tactics and weaponry had all been eliminated as ineffective against their Western counterparts, but the ''image'' of the Satsuma samurai -- going into battle for their very survival, knowing the odds were hopeless, but choosing to die with their era -- was romanticized and appropriated by the Meiji government. The traits we consider part and parcel of the samurai now -- their stoic nature, the honor of bushido, and their selfless sacrifice for the lord they served (or, as reinterpreted by Imperial Japan, the Emperor) -- were cynically used as propaganda, both inside and outside the military, as the ideal of Japanese character. (This was probably helped by the fact the samurai were no longer around to cut down commoners at the slightest provocation.) [[UnfortunateImplications Contrary to what the film suggests]], this was [[ImperialJapan not such]] [[KatanasOfTheRisingSun a good thing]] in the [[WorldWarII long run]].

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:: Meanwhile, the ''samurai'' ethos, as portrayed in the film, is more a product of what came after them. Traditional battle tactics and weaponry had all been eliminated as ineffective against their Western counterparts, but the ''image'' of the Satsuma samurai -- going into battle for their very survival, knowing the odds were hopeless, but choosing to die with their era -- was romanticized and appropriated by the Meiji government. The traits we consider part and parcel of the samurai now -- their stoic nature, the honor of bushido, and their selfless sacrifice for the lord they served (or, as reinterpreted by Imperial Japan, the Emperor) -- were cynically used as propaganda, both inside and outside the military, as the ideal of Japanese character. (This was probably helped by the fact the samurai were no longer around to cut down commoners at the slightest provocation.) [[UnfortunateImplications Contrary to what the film suggests]], this was [[ImperialJapan not such]] [[KatanasOfTheRisingSun a good thing]] in the [[SecondSinoJapaneseWar long]] [[WorldWarII long run]].run]]. Though to be fair, culture does not directly translate into politics, and the biggest issue the Meiji era left hanging was probably the separation of Religion and the Nation, the Military and the State. What modern Japan ended up getting out of all this was a State Religion directed around the head of a Military-dominated Government, all enthusiastically backed by the people. Oops.

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