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* YouSoundFamiliar: Obviously, generic [=NPCs=] have this, and while they're not keyed to the races as in ''Oblivion'', TalkingToHimself can still happen under certain circumstances.
** Wes Johnson voices both the ghost of Lucien Lachance and Emperor Titus Mede II.

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* YouSoundFamiliar: Obviously, generic [=NPCs=] have this, and while they're not keyed to the races as in ''Oblivion'', TalkingToHimself ActingForTwo can still happen under certain circumstances.
** Wes Johnson Creator/WesJohnson voices both the ghost of Lucien Lachance and Emperor Titus Mede II.



** Craig Sechler plays the Daedric Princes Hircine and Peryite.

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** Craig Sechler Creator/CraigSechler plays the Daedric Princes Hircine and Peryite.
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* PortOverdosed: Was initially ported to most sixth generation consoles. It later got an UpdatedRerelease dubbed ''The Elder's Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition'' which is just the base game remastered using the updated version of Creation Engine that was used for ''VideoGame/Fallout4''. The Special Edition was later used as a basis for the ''UsefulNotes/NintendoSwitch'' edition and the VR edition, the former allows you to place the [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaBreathOfTheWild Link amiibo from BoTW]], where you can obtain an exclusive item that gives you Link's attire for that game and the Master Sword alongside the Hylian Shield.

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* PortOverdosed: Was initially ported to most sixth generation consoles. It later got an UpdatedRerelease dubbed ''The Elder's Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition'' which is just the base game remastered using the updated version of Creation Engine that was used for ''VideoGame/Fallout4''. The Special Edition was later used as a basis for the ''UsefulNotes/NintendoSwitch'' edition and the VR edition, the former allows you to place the [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaBreathOfTheWild Link amiibo from BoTW]], where you can obtain an exclusive item that gives you Link's attire for that game and the Master Sword alongside the Hylian Shield. Then it was rereleased ''again'' for eight generation consoles in 2021 as the ''Anniversary Edition,'' and then the Switch version received the ''Anniversary Upgrade'' in 2022 that added the official content from the eight-gen version (though modding is currently impossible on the Switch port). The amount of times that Skyrim has been rereleased has become a [[MemeticMutation meme]] in and of itself.

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* ActingForTwo
** The first example of this happens if you go with Ralof in Helgen. He and his brother-in-law, Hod, are both voiced by Michael Gough.
** In the final Dark Brotherhood mission, the player can opt to have [[spoiler:the ghost of Lucien Lachance]] kill [[spoiler:the Emperor]], both of whom are voiced by Wes Johnson.
** Stephen Russell voices both Clavicus Vile and Barbas. Of course, considering that they are two aspects of the same entity, this works pretty well.
** Creator/KeithSzarabajka voices both Erandur and Veren Duleri in the Waking Nightmare quest.
** Niane Salinger voices every female orc in the game, and Noah Nelson voices every male orc. As a result, any and all dialogue in an orc stronghold between two orcs of the same gender is an example.
** Popeye Vogelsang voices Stenvar the mercenary, who can be hired as a follower at Candlehearth Hall in Windhelm; after he's been a follower, he becomes a possible spouse. Vogelsang also voices Argis the Bulwark, who is appointed housecarl to the Dragonborn if they become Thane of the Reach. Should the Dragonborn marry Stenvar, then move him into Vlindrel Hall in Markarth along with Argis, the two can sometimes be heard arguing with each other - usually about dropped items.



* TalkingToHimself:
** The first example of this happens if you go with Ralof in Helgen. He and his brother-in-law, Hod, are both voiced by Michael Gough.
** In the final Dark Brotherhood mission, the player can opt to have [[spoiler:the ghost of Lucien Lachance]] kill [[spoiler:the Emperor]], both of whom are voiced by Wes Johnson.
** Stephen Russell voices both Clavicus Vile and Barbas. Of course, considering that they are two aspects of the same entity, this works pretty well.
** Creator/KeithSzarabajka voices both Erandur and Veren Duleri in the Waking Nightmare quest.
** Niane Salinger voices every female orc in the game, and Noah Nelson voices every male orc. As a result, any and all dialogue in an orc stronghold between two orcs of the same gender is an example.
** Popeye Vogelsang voices Stenvar the mercenary, who can be hired as a follower at Candlehearth Hall in Windhelm; after he's been a follower, he becomes a possible spouse. Vogelsang also voices Argis the Bulwark, who is appointed housecarl to the Dragonborn if they become Thane of the Reach. Should the Dragonborn marry Stenvar, then move him into Vlindrel Hall in Markarth along with Argis, the two can sometimes be heard arguing with each other - usually about dropped items.
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* ReferencedBy: The ForcedMeme that all the town Guardsmen are retired adventurers who got shot in the knee is referenced by the manga ''[[OverlyLongTitle The Strongest Wizard Becomes a Countryside Guardsman After Taking an Arrow to the Knee.]]'' (Phew, what a mouthful).

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* ReferencedBy: The ForcedMeme that all the town Guardsmen are retired adventurers who got shot in the knee is referenced by the manga ''[[OverlyLongTitle ''[[WorkInfoTitle The Strongest Wizard Becomes a Countryside Guardsman After Taking an Arrow to the Knee.]]'' (Phew, what a mouthful).
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** According to Todd Howard during an PAX East 2019 Interview, an original concept was for the BigBad to be Emperor Uriel Septim V, having survived his supposed death in Akavir and returned to retake his throne and conquer the world with an army of dragons. It was changed due to wanting to keep Akavir mysterious.

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** There is one point in the ThievesGuild questline where Mercer can follow the player all the way to the general goods store in Whiterun. It is almost startling to hear two characters with such differing personas sharing the same voice actor.
*** Additionally, Mercer and Enthir share a voice actor (Stephen Russell). It's jarring to say the least during the Thieves' Guild questline, given that Mercer [[spoiler: serves as the main antagonist]], while Enthir plays a critical role in taking him down.

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** There is one point in the ThievesGuild questline where Mercer can follow the player all the way to the general goods store in Whiterun. It is almost startling to hear two characters with such differing personas sharing the same voice actor.
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actor. Additionally, Mercer and Enthir share a voice actor (Stephen Russell). It's jarring to say the least during the Thieves' Guild questline, given that Mercer [[spoiler: serves as the main antagonist]], while Enthir plays a critical role in taking him down.
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* CreatorDrivenSuccessor: The ''Dragonborn'' expansion is one to ''Bloodmoon,'' a DLC for ''Morrowind''. They both take place in Solstheim, both have quests involving Falx Carius and Fort Frostmoth, and both expansions are the only times you'll run into the Skaal.

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* ScrewedByTheNetwork: The original ''Skyrim'', otherwise called "The Legendary Edition", is, as of 2017, delisted from Steam; while it can still be bought for those who don't own it, it isn't eligible for price cuts at all and must be bought with the [=DLCs=] separately.

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The original ''Skyrim'', otherwise called "The Legendary Edition", 32-bit ''Skyrim'' is, as of 2017, delisted from Steam; while Steam. While it can still be bought for those who don't own it, it isn't eligible for price cuts at all and must be bought with the [=DLCs=] separately.



** For unknown reasons, if you [[http://web.archive.org/web/20131102004340/http://ppsh-41.com/post/13145143504/entire-tamriel-landmass-built-into-skyrim no-clip past the borders of Skyrim]], you'll find you can walk all the way to ''Morrowind and Cyrodiil''. They're not at all detailed, just height maps with generic textures and a few landmarks (like the White Gold Tower), but they're still there... even though you'll never be able to reach them without cheats or, theoretically, {{Game Mod}}s.
*** Much of it is there for those instances when you can see beyond Skyrim from within the game's proper map. There are plenty of places inside Skyrim that do this, too. If you no clip through the walls of a city, you'll see a partially detailed map of the city again to provide the detail you'd see from certain vantage points even though the city interior is a different map. Likewise, when you're within a city, the exterior of Tamriel is all detailed this way, again to provide what you'd be able to see from within city walls. There's a mod called "Open Cities" that moves some of those cities into the Tamriel map. The ''Dragonborn'' DLC takes place in Solstheim, the island just north of Vvardenfell, where the events of [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]] took place.
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*** The similarities between Serana and [[spoiler:Rayne]] border on plain ShoutOut at times.
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** The quest "The Gray Cowl of Nocturnal" (from the Creation Club content ''The Gray Cowl Returns!'') shares its name with a ''Skyrim'' [https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/64651 mod]]; the mod actually predates the DLC by a few year (the mod's initial release happened in 2015, the DLC was released in 2019). Both consists in tracking the same artifact and feature it as a reward.

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** The quest "The Gray Cowl of Nocturnal" (from the Creation Club content ''The Gray Cowl Returns!'') shares its name with a ''Skyrim'' [https://www.[[https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/64651 mod]]; the mod actually predates the DLC by a few year years (the mod's initial release happened in 2015, the DLC was released in 2019). Both consists in tracking the same artifact and feature it as a reward.

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* SimilarlyNamedWorks: Hircine's Daedric quest shares its name with the 1957 film ''Ill Met By Moonlight,'' based on the novel of the same name. They're unrelated, but all have the same origin; the phrase is a quote from Shakespeare's ''Theatre/AMidsummerNightsDream''.

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Hircine's Daedric quest shares its name with the 1957 film ''Ill Met By Moonlight,'' based on the novel of the same name. They're unrelated, but all have the same origin; the phrase is a quote from Shakespeare's ''Theatre/AMidsummerNightsDream''.''Theatre/AMidsummerNightsDream''.
** The quest "The Gray Cowl of Nocturnal" (from the Creation Club content ''The Gray Cowl Returns!'') shares its name with a ''Skyrim'' [https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/64651 mod]]; the mod actually predates the DLC by a few year (the mod's initial release happened in 2015, the DLC was released in 2019). Both consists in tracking the same artifact and feature it as a reward.

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* YouSoundFamiliar: Obviously, generic [=NPCs=] have this, although they're not keyed to the races as in ''Oblivion'' so TalkingToHimself is usually avoided. But...
** Wes Johnson voices both the ghost of Lucien Lachance and Emperor Titus Mede II. This is really the only case of this trope where TalkingToHimself potentially occurs, since [[spoiler:you can summon his ghost to assassinate the Emperor in the Dark Brotherhood questline]].

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* YouSoundFamiliar: Obviously, generic [=NPCs=] have this, although and while they're not keyed to the races as in ''Oblivion'' so ''Oblivion'', TalkingToHimself is usually avoided. But...
can still happen under certain circumstances.
** Wes Johnson voices both the ghost of Lucien Lachance and Emperor Titus Mede II. This is really the only case of this trope where TalkingToHimself potentially occurs, since [[spoiler:you can summon his ghost to assassinate the Emperor in the Dark Brotherhood questline]].



** Michael Gough voices Vilkas of the Companions, Jarl Balgruuf, Brunwulf Free-Winter, Talsgar the Wanderer, and several other characters.
** Creator/ClaudiaChristian voices Legate Rikke, Aela the Huntress, the spirit of Queen Potema, Faleen in Markarth, and a few other characters.
** Corri English voices Idgrod the Younger, Ingun Black-Briar, Nilsine Shatter-Shield, Brelyna Maryon, and Camilla Valerius, among others.
*** She also voices both Jarl Elisif the Fair ''and'' Elisif's personal maid, Erdi, which can be a little weird if you speak to both of them in a short period of time. This is why some fans headcanon that Erdi is either related to Elisif or, perhaps, serves as some sort of impersonator for the Jarl in case of an emergency.

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** Michael Gough Creator/MichaelJGough is the Male Nord voice, and he voices Vilkas of the Companions, Jarl Balgruuf, Brunwulf Free-Winter, Talsgar the Wanderer, and several other characters.
** Creator/ClaudiaChristian is the Female Commander voice, and voices to Legate Rikke, Aela the Huntress, the spirit of Queen Potema, Faleen in Markarth, Faleen, and a few other characters.
** Corri English voices Idgrod the Younger, Ingun Black-Briar, Nilsine Shatter-Shield, Brelyna Maryon, and Camilla Valerius, among others.
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Jarl Elisif the Fair ''and'' Elisif's personal maid, Erdi, the last two of which can be a little weird if you speak to both of them particularly jarring since they can be encountered in a short period of time. This is why some fans headcanon that Erdi is either related to Elisif or, perhaps, serves as some sort of impersonator for the Jarl in case of an emergency.same area.



** Colleen Delaney voices Nenya (the steward in Falkreath), Ria of the Companions, Vittoria Vici, Keeper Carcette, and Aphia Velothi (from ''Dragonborn''), for starters.

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** Colleen Delaney voices Nenya (the steward in Falkreath), Housecarl Lydia, Falkreath's Steward Nenya, Ria of the Companions, Vittoria Vici, Keeper Carcette, and Aphia Velothi (from ''Dragonborn''), for starters.among others.
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* UrbanLegendOfZelda: A story was floating around social media for awhile that "taking an arrow to the knee" was an old Norse euphemism for getting married, meaning the guards were really just saying they'd settled down. This started life as a joke, but thanks to being widely shared it quickly got out of hand.

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* UrbanLegendOfZelda: A One story was floating that floated around social media for awhile a while was that "taking an arrow to the knee" was an old Norse euphemism for getting married, meaning the guards were really just saying they'd settled down. This started life as a joke, but thanks to being widely shared it quickly got out of hand.
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* [[YouLookFamiliar You Sound Familiar]]: Obviously, generic [=NPCs=] have this, although they're not keyed to the races as in ''Oblivion'' so TalkingToHimself is usually avoided. But...

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** Creator/LaniMinella is the Daedric Prince Nocturnal and the Night Mother. Talk about an evil resume - and this is on top of her providing the low, husky voice for female dark elves.
** Popeye Vogelsang voices Farkas of the Companions, the Riften blacksmith Balimund, the Markarth housecarl Argis the Bulwark, Yngvar the Singer, Stenvar the mercenary in Windhelm, Maul, and a handful of other [=NPCs=].

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** Creator/LaniMinella is the Daedric Prince Nocturnal and the Night Mother. Talk about an evil resume - and this is on top of her providing She's also the low, husky default voice for female dark elves.
Female Dark Elves such as Irileth.
** Popeye Vogelsang voices is the Male Brute voice, which includes Farkas of the Companions, the Riften blacksmith Balimund, the Markarth housecarl Argis the Bulwark, Yngvar the Singer, Stenvar the mercenary in Windhelm, Maul, and a handful of other [=NPCs=].
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* MemorialCharacter: The game has a retroactive example. Erik the Slayer, an inhabitant of Rorikstead, was based on Erik West (internet alias Immok the Slayer), a visitor to Creator/{{Bethesda}}'s headquarters that surprised the creators for his knowledge of ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]''. He passed away from cancer in May of 2011, before he had the chance to see his character in-game, making his presence in the game all the more meaningful.
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* FanNickname:
** "Odie" for Odahviing.
** "Paarthy", "Paarth", "Partysnax" and "[[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Mario]]" for Paarthurnax.
** Gallus Desidenius has earned the nickname of [[WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Amazo]] from some due to how similar the former's mask and the latter's face look.
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* ChristmasRushed: It is very possible that this game suffers from it. When fans looked at the game-files with the Level Editor, it was revealed Bethesda had more expansive plans for the game than what was seen in the final product, most notably some complex quests and scripts that sadly did not make the final cut. Examples are a dynamic civil war, an arena in Windhelm, and a questline to help Mjoll the Lioness bring down the Thieves' Guild. Many of these were probably cut because the game had to be released on November 11, 2011, so the developers did not have enough time to implement all of their plans. As a result, many of the storylines became {{Aborted Arc}}s or underdeveloped. Fortunately, though, modders came to the rescue for PC players, and many of the cut quests have been restored, most notably the civil war and arena.

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* ChristmasRushed: It is very possible that this game suffers from it. When fans looked at the game-files with the Level Editor, it was revealed Bethesda had more expansive plans for the game than what was seen in the final product, most notably some complex quests and scripts that sadly did not make the final cut. Examples are a dynamic civil war, an arena in Windhelm, and a questline to help Mjoll the Lioness bring down the Thieves' Guild. Many of these were probably cut because the game had to be released on November 11, 2011, so the developers did not have enough time to implement all of their plans. As a result, many of the storylines became {{Aborted Arc}}s were underdeveloped or underdeveloped.outright {{aborted|Arc}}. Fortunately, though, modders came to the rescue for PC players, and many of the cut quests have been restored, most notably the civil war and arena.
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* ChristmasRushed: It is very possible that this game suffers from it. When fans looked at the game-files with the Level Editor, it was revealed Bethesda had more expansive plans for the game than what was seen in the final product, most notably some complex quests and scripts that sadly did not make the final cut. Examples are a dynamic civil war, an arena in Windhelm, and a questline to help Mjoll the Lioness bring down the Thieves' Guild. Many of these were probably cut because the game had to be released on November 11, 2011, so the developers did not have enough time to implement all of their plans. As a result, many of the storylines in the game feel rushed when compared to earlier installments of the franchise. Fortunately, though, modders came to the rescue for PC players, and many of the cut quests have been restored, most notably the civil war and arena.

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* ChristmasRushed: It is very possible that this game suffers from it. When fans looked at the game-files with the Level Editor, it was revealed Bethesda had more expansive plans for the game than what was seen in the final product, most notably some complex quests and scripts that sadly did not make the final cut. Examples are a dynamic civil war, an arena in Windhelm, and a questline to help Mjoll the Lioness bring down the Thieves' Guild. Many of these were probably cut because the game had to be released on November 11, 2011, so the developers did not have enough time to implement all of their plans. As a result, many of the storylines in the game feel rushed when compared to earlier installments of the franchise.became {{Aborted Arc}}s or underdeveloped. Fortunately, though, modders came to the rescue for PC players, and many of the cut quests have been restored, most notably the civil war and arena.

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* ScrewedByTheNetwork: The original ''Skyrim'', otherwise called "The Legendary Edition", is, as of 2017, delisted for Steam; while it can still be bought for those who didn't own it, it isn't eligible for price cuts at all and must be bought with the [=DLCs=] separately.

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* ScrewedByTheNetwork: The original ''Skyrim'', otherwise called "The Legendary Edition", is, as of 2017, delisted for from Steam; while it can still be bought for those who didn't don't own it, it isn't eligible for price cuts at all and must be bought with the [=DLCs=] separately.


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* SequelGap: Five years between ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion'' (2006) to this game, and then the longest gap in the series between this to ''The Elder Scrolls VI'', which is still unreleased as of 2021 (ten years after ''Skyrim''). That said, the gap is filled up with [[CapcomSequelStagnation the ridiculous number of times]] that ''Skyrim'' has been rereleased, including the ''[[GameOfTheYearEdition Legendary Edition]]'' (2013), the ''[[UpdatedRerelease Special Edition]]'' (2016), VR versions for the [=PlayStation=] 4 (2017) and PC (2018), and the ''[[MilestoneCelebration Anniversary Edition]]'' (2021).

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** The Greybeards' unique robes have female models in the game files that are normally unused, since no female Greybeards appear in the game, nor has the existence of any ever been mentioned in lore. They also were never meant to be worn by the player.
** An unfinished quest called "Boethiah's Bidding" would have had you kill Elisif, the Jarl of Solitude, who would subsequently be replaced by Erikur (according to unused lines of dialogue).
** There are a few items (naturally), as well as a faction -- there is an Arena faction in the files that has the framework for quests done (''just'' the framework, no actual quests), as well as [[AllianceMeter faction ranks]].[[note]]This isn't something all the ''joinable'' factions have, so the Arena was probably abandoned relatively early in development[[/note]]



** It seems that the Civil War was originally going to have several new features, such as all five main holds being attacked by their opposing side, as well as new radiant quests. At least some of these features were restored with apollodown's popular "Civil War Overhaul" mod. Sadly, this mod was taken down by the creator out of irritation that some people complained about making both armies more diverse.

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** It seems Examining the core game modules with the PC Creation Kit reveals a vast array of abandoned-in-place functionalities that would have made the Civil War was much more complex and involved than the straightforward affair it is in-game. For example, viewing of the exterior cells in the Tamriel worldspace around the gateways to Markarth and Riften in the Creation Kit shows that they were originally going meant to have several new features, such large-scale battles in the course of the Civil War like Whiterun, Windhelm, and Solitude do, as all five main holds being attacked by their opposing side, as well as new radiant quests. At least some of these features were restored the region is strewn with apollodown's popular "Civil War Overhaul" mod. Sadly, this mod was taken down by the creator out of irritation that some people complained about making both armies more diverse.various in-game invisible markers meant for civil war combatant maneuvers.

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** Faralda was originally to be part of a quest where Nirya would want you to take Faralda's research notes. You could either complete it in Faralda or Nirya's favor for a option to marry them.
** There was to be a small quest Nirya would give wherein the Dragonborn must steal Faralda's notes for some gold, or the notes could be given to Faralda. Similarly to the LoveTriangle between Camilla Valerius, Faendal, and Sven in Riverwood, this would have allowed the woman you helped to become marriageable.

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** Faralda Serana's voiceset includes a dying scream, despite Serana being forever flagged essential, even after full completion of the ''Dawnguard'' questline. This hints that, at some point in the game development, her death was possible.
** One loading screen mentions that users of the Lady Stone "regenerate their health and stamina much faster ''for a while''." This implies that the Lady Stone was initially planned to grant an active ability instead of a passive, permanent buff.
** The Amulet of Articulation has 7 different versions, and the fact that the stats are different suggests it
was originally going to be part of a quest where Nirya leveled, but for whatever reason, it's instead randomized.
** For whatever reason, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx4adW20qUY most NPCs]] have the line "Oh, I don't believe those rumors, my friend. Besides, who
would ever want you to harm such beauty?" - while most of these suggest that someone else was supposed to take Faralda's research notes. You could either complete Asta's place during the Eldergleam quest at one point, or it in Faralda or Nirya's favor would've been your follower who would make the comment, for whatever reason it also includes some unique [=NPCs=], such as Brynjolf and ''Malacath'', who shouldn't have any reason to comment on the tree.
** Although Nazeem and his wife Ahlam lack
a option house in the final game, if one pickpockets them and opens up their inventory, both are carrying a key to a non-existent house called Wintersand Manor (and both belong to a faction associated with said location[[note]]factions for housing are used so [=NPCs=] can report the player trespassing[[/note]]), suggesting that was the location both were originally going to live - while the mod Cutting Room Floor restores the mod, the location file suggests it was going to be inside Whiterun, whereas the [=CRF=] mod puts it next to Chillfurrow Farm. Strangely, Acolyte Jensen from the Temple of Kynareth ''also'' carries a key to this non-existent manor (and he would've also been a member of the custom faction as well); this, combined with Nazeem and his wife having a strained marriage, suggests that Jensen and Ahlam would've been having an ''affair''[[note]]although it's also possible - but rather unlikely - that it was ''Nazeem'' that was having the affair, given that he's AmbiguouslyBi[[/note]]. This quite possibly explains the fact that Ahlam seems to spend a lot of time at the Temple of Kynareth.
** As evidenced by how she greets the player ("It's a fine day with you around") after putting her husband's war horn at the Shrine of Talos in Whiterun Hold, at one point, the player would've been able
to marry them.
** There was to be a small quest Nirya would give wherein
''Elisif the Fair''. Presumably, Bethesda scrapped this idea because it would've made the Last Dragonborn must steal Faralda's notes High King of Skyrim if they sided with the Imperials. Similarly, the fact that Ingun Black-Briar says the same line after her miscellaneous ingredient-collecting quest is completed hints that she might also have been a candidate for marriage at some gold, or point. This was likely scrapped because having Maven Black-Briar for a mother-in-law might have required entirely too much special coding and voice acting. Alternately, the notes could fact that she has the line might simply be given because Elisif and Ingun have the same voice actress, and the line may have been attached to Faralda. Similarly Ingun's coding by accident.
** There exists unused, unimplemented code in the game for an alternate ending
to the LoveTriangle between Camilla Valerius, Faendal, and Sven in Riverwood, this would have allowed DLC [[https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/43529 which a modder finished]] that allows the woman you helped player to earn Miraak as a follower by using the bend will shout on him during the battle, causing him to become marriageable.an ally as Hermaeus Mora sends multiple enemies to fight both of you. Rather than being killed after the fight, Miraak will move to his temple in Solstheim.
** Game files show that Aela the Huntress has dialogue for the mission "Proving Honor", suggesting that either she was originally going to be the one who would accompany the player on said mission instead of Farkas, or it would've been random between the two.



*** In fact there exists unused, unimplemented code in the game for an alternate ending to the DLC [[https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/43529 which a modder finished]] that allows the player to earn Miraak as a follower by using the bend will shout on him during the battle, causing him to become an ally as Hermaeus Mora sends multiple enemies to fight both of you. Rather than being killed after the fight, Miraak will move to his temple in Solstheim.



** Serana's voiceset includes a dying scream, despite Serana being forever flagged essential, even after full completion of the ''Dawnguard'' questline. This hints that, at some point in the game development, her death was possible.
** One loading screen mentions that users of the Lady Stone "regenerate their health and stamina much faster ''for a while''." This implies that the Lady Stone was initially planned to grant an active ability instead of a passive, permanent buff.
** The Amulet of Articulation has 7 different versions, and the fact that the stats are different suggests it was originally going to be leveled, but for whatever reason, it's instead randomized.
** For whatever reason, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx4adW20qUY most NPCs]] have the line "Oh, I don't believe those rumors, my friend. Besides, who would ever want to harm such beauty?" - while most of these suggest that someone else was supposed to take Asta's place during the Eldergleam quest at one point, or it would've been your follower who would make the comment, for whatever reason it also includes some unique [=NPCs=], such as Brynjolf and ''Malacath'', who shouldn't have any reason to comment on the tree.
** Although Nazeem and his wife Ahlam lack a house in the final game, if one pickpockets them and opens up their inventory, both are carrying a key to a non-existent house called Wintersand Manor (and both belong to a faction associated with said location[[note]]factions for housing are used so [=NPCs=] can report the player trespassing[[/note]]), suggesting that was the location both were originally going to live - while the mod Cutting Room Floor restores the mod, the location file suggests it was going to be inside Whiterun, whereas the [=CRF=] mod puts it next to Chillfurrow Farm. Strangely, Acolyte Jensen from the Temple of Kynareth ''also'' carries a key to this non-existent manor (and he would've also been a member of the custom faction as well); this, combined with Nazeem and his wife having a strained marriage, suggests that Jensen and Ahlam would've been having an ''affair''[[note]]although it's also possible - but rather unlikely - that it was ''Nazeem'' that was having the affair, given that he's AmbiguouslyBi[[/note]]. This quite possibly explains the fact that Ahlam seems to spend a lot of time at the Temple of Kynareth.
** As evidenced by how she greets the player ("It's a fine day with you around") after putting her husband's war horn at the Shrine of Talos in Whiterun Hold, at one point, the player would've been able to marry ''Elisif the Fair''. Presumably, Bethesda scrapped this idea because it would've made the Last Dragonborn High King of Skyrim if they sided with the Imperials.
*** Similarly, the fact that Ingun Black-Briar says the same line after her miscellaneous ingredient-collecting quest is completed hints that she might also have been a candidate for marriage at some point. This was likely scrapped because having Maven Black-Briar for a mother-in-law might have required entirely too much special coding and voice acting. Alternately, the fact that she has the line might simply be because Elisif and Ingun have the same voice actress, and the line may have been attached to Ingun's coding by accident.
** Game files show that Aela the Huntress has dialogue for the mission "Proving Honor", suggesting that either she was originally going to be the one who would accompany the player on said mission instead of Farkas, or it would've been random between the two.

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** Serana's voiceset includes a dying scream, despite Serana being forever flagged essential, even after full completion of the ''Dawnguard'' questline. This hints that, at some point in the game development, her death There was possible.
** One loading screen mentions that users of the Lady Stone "regenerate their health and stamina much faster ''for a while''." This implies that the Lady Stone was initially planned to grant an active ability instead of a passive, permanent buff.
** The Amulet of Articulation has 7 different versions, and the fact that the stats are different suggests it was originally going
to be leveled, but for whatever reason, it's instead randomized.
** For whatever reason, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx4adW20qUY most NPCs]] have the line "Oh, I don't believe those rumors, my friend. Besides, who
a small quest Nirya would ever want to harm such beauty?" - while most of these suggest that someone else was supposed to take Asta's place during give wherein the Eldergleam quest at one point, or it would've been your follower who would make the comment, for whatever reason it also includes some unique [=NPCs=], such as Brynjolf and ''Malacath'', who shouldn't have any reason to comment on the tree.
** Although Nazeem and his wife Ahlam lack a house in the final game, if one pickpockets them and opens up their inventory, both are carrying a key to a non-existent house called Wintersand Manor (and both belong to a faction associated with said location[[note]]factions for housing are used so [=NPCs=] can report the player trespassing[[/note]]), suggesting that was the location both were originally going to live - while the mod Cutting Room Floor restores the mod, the location file suggests it was going to be inside Whiterun, whereas the [=CRF=] mod puts it next to Chillfurrow Farm. Strangely, Acolyte Jensen from the Temple of Kynareth ''also'' carries a key to this non-existent manor (and he would've also been a member of the custom faction as well); this, combined with Nazeem and his wife having a strained marriage, suggests that Jensen and Ahlam would've been having an ''affair''[[note]]although it's also possible - but rather unlikely - that it was ''Nazeem'' that was having the affair, given that he's AmbiguouslyBi[[/note]]. This quite possibly explains the fact that Ahlam seems to spend a lot of time at the Temple of Kynareth.
** As evidenced by how she greets the player ("It's a fine day with you around") after putting her husband's war horn at the Shrine of Talos in Whiterun Hold, at one point, the player would've been able to marry ''Elisif the Fair''. Presumably, Bethesda scrapped this idea because it would've made the Last
Dragonborn High King of Skyrim if they sided with the Imperials.
*** Similarly, the fact that Ingun Black-Briar says the same line after her miscellaneous ingredient-collecting quest is completed hints that she might also have been a candidate
must steal Faralda's notes for marriage at some point. This was likely scrapped because having Maven Black-Briar for a mother-in-law might have required entirely too much special coding and voice acting. Alternately, gold, or the fact that she has notes could be given to Faralda. Similarly to the line might simply be because Elisif and Ingun have the same voice actress, and the line may have been attached to Ingun's coding by accident.
** Game files show that Aela the Huntress has dialogue for the mission "Proving Honor", suggesting that either she was originally going to be the one who would accompany the player on said mission instead of Farkas, or it would've been random
LoveTriangle between Camilla Valerius, Faendal, and Sven in Riverwood, this would have allowed the two.woman you helped to become marriageable.
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** Faralda was originally to be part of a quest where Nirya would want you to take Faralda's research notes. You could either complete it in Faralda or Nirya's favor for a option to marry them.
** There was to be a small quest Nirya would give wherein the Dragonborn must steal Faralda's notes for some gold, or the notes could be given to Faralda. Similarly to the LoveTriangle between Camilla Valerius, Faendal, and Sven in Riverwood, this would have allowed the woman you helped to become marriageable.
** An unused quest of Phinis involves tracking down his four missing students, all of whom got themselves killed in a ridiculous fashion because they were just that incompetent. (For example, one died from trying to use ice magic to cool his mead.) You can find their remains and figure out what happened to them, but you never get an option to inform Phinis about the discovery.
** Mjoll was originally going to be more active against the Thieves' Guild, and potentially help you destroy it, a la "Destroy The Dark Brotherhood," but the questline was removed from the game due to time constraints. (This is actually the reason she is MadeOfIron; she was to be flagged essential until the end of her questline, and you can't complete her questline because you can never start it.)
** When asked about the dangers of her job, Irileth will mention that sometimes it feels as if even the Jarl's own children are planning to murder him. This is just dark humor in the final game, but in the game files there are vestiges of a different ending to an existing quest that would have culminated in the children falling under the influence of a Daedric prince [[SelfMadeOrphan and doing just that]].
** As revealed in the "Opening Scene Overhaul" mod (which for the most part brought out many unused assets from before the game's release), Lokir had a different personality (''and'' a different voice type, having Creator/StephenRussell's "[=MaleSlyCynical=]" voice rather than Richard Epcar's "[=MaleCowardly=]" voice), [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech chewing out Ulfric and Ralof for being the reason they all are set for execution]] and is much sturdier with his composure at first. However, this composure breaks when he is incorrectly accused of being a Stormcloak, and attempts to run while shouting that all he did was steal a horse, only to be killed. His personality was changed greatly for the final game, among other things, to avoid confusing a new player.
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* KillerApp: Despite being released on a bevy of platforms during and after launch, it sold the best on UsefulNotes/Xbox360, only being rivaled by PC sales. The Xbox 360 version was even bundled with consoles during the holiday season of 2012, and during launch week, it made up for 59% of the game's overall sales.
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** The idea that the Champion of Cyrodiil is Sheogorath in ''Skyrim'' has been {{Jossed}} by Michael Kirkbride in a Reddit [[https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/2ya7et/did_the_champion_of_cyrodiil_become_sheogorath/cp8c2ld/ post]]. However, Kirkbride said so based on the design documents of ''Oblivion'', and stopped working for Bethesda after that game, so he didn't know if it still held true by the time of ''Skyrim'' and encouraged players to make up their own conclusions.

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** The idea that the Champion of Cyrodiil is Sheogorath in ''Skyrim'' has been {{Jossed}} disproved by Michael Kirkbride in a Reddit [[https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/2ya7et/did_the_champion_of_cyrodiil_become_sheogorath/cp8c2ld/ post]]. However, Kirkbride said so based on the design documents of ''Oblivion'', and stopped working for Bethesda after that game, so he didn't know if it still held true by the time of ''Skyrim'' and encouraged players to make up their own conclusions.
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** "Paarthy", "Paarth", and "Partysnax" for Paarthurnax.

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** "Paarthy", "Paarth", and "Partysnax" and "[[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Mario]]" for Paarthurnax.

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** Although Nazeem and his wife Ahlam lack a house in the final game, if one pickpockets them and opens up their inventory, both are carrying a key to a non-existent house called Wintersand Manor (and both belong to a faction associated with said location[[note]]factions for housing are used so NPCs can report the player trespassing[[/note]]), suggesting that was the location both were originally going to live - while the mod Cutting Room Floor restores the mod, the location file suggests it was going to be inside Whiterun, whereas the [=CRF=] mod puts it next to Chillfurrow Farm. Strangely, Acolyte Jensen ''also'' carries a key to this non-existent manor (and he would've also been a member of the custom faction as well), and this, combined with Nazeem and his wife having a strained marriage, suggests that Jensen and Ahlam would've been having an ''affair''[[note]]although it's also possible - but rather unlikely - that it was ''Nazeem'' that was having the affair, given that he's AmbiguouslyBi[[/note]].
** As evident by how she greets the player after putting her husband's war horn at the Shrine of Talos in Whiterun Hold, at one point, the player would've been able to marry ''Elisif the Fair''. Presumably, Bethesda scrapped this idea because it would've made the Last Dragonborn High King of Skyrim if they sided with the Imperials.

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** Although Nazeem and his wife Ahlam lack a house in the final game, if one pickpockets them and opens up their inventory, both are carrying a key to a non-existent house called Wintersand Manor (and both belong to a faction associated with said location[[note]]factions for housing are used so NPCs [=NPCs=] can report the player trespassing[[/note]]), suggesting that was the location both were originally going to live - while the mod Cutting Room Floor restores the mod, the location file suggests it was going to be inside Whiterun, whereas the [=CRF=] mod puts it next to Chillfurrow Farm. Strangely, Acolyte Jensen from the Temple of Kynareth ''also'' carries a key to this non-existent manor (and he would've also been a member of the custom faction as well), and well); this, combined with Nazeem and his wife having a strained marriage, suggests that Jensen and Ahlam would've been having an ''affair''[[note]]although it's also possible - but rather unlikely - that it was ''Nazeem'' that was having the affair, given that he's AmbiguouslyBi[[/note]].
AmbiguouslyBi[[/note]]. This quite possibly explains the fact that Ahlam seems to spend a lot of time at the Temple of Kynareth.
** As evident evidenced by how she greets the player ("It's a fine day with you around") after putting her husband's war horn at the Shrine of Talos in Whiterun Hold, at one point, the player would've been able to marry ''Elisif the Fair''. Presumably, Bethesda scrapped this idea because it would've made the Last Dragonborn High King of Skyrim if they sided with the Imperials.
*** Similarly, the fact that Ingun Black-Briar says the same line after her miscellaneous ingredient-collecting quest is completed hints that she might also have been a candidate for marriage at some point. This was likely scrapped because having Maven Black-Briar for a mother-in-law might have required entirely too much special coding and voice acting. Alternately, the fact that she has the line might simply be because Elisif and Ingun have the same voice actress, and the line may have been attached to Ingun's coding by accident.



** Wes Johnson voices both the ghost of Lucien Lachance and Emperor Titus Mede II. This is really the only case where TalkingToHimself potentially occurs, since [[spoiler:you can summon his ghost to assassinate the Emperor in the Dark Brotherhood questline]].

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** Wes Johnson voices both the ghost of Lucien Lachance and Emperor Titus Mede II. This is really the only case of this trope where TalkingToHimself potentially occurs, since [[spoiler:you can summon his ghost to assassinate the Emperor in the Dark Brotherhood questline]].



** Creator/LaniMinella is Nocturnal and the Night Mother. Talk about an evil resume - and this is on top of her providing the low, husky voice for female dark elves.
** Popeye Vogelsang voices Farkas of the Companions, the Riften blacksmith Balimund, the Markarth housecarl Argis the Bulwark, Yngvar the Singer, Stenvar the mercenary in Windhelm, and a handful of other [=NPCs=].

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** Creator/LaniMinella is the Daedric Prince Nocturnal and the Night Mother. Talk about an evil resume - and this is on top of her providing the low, husky voice for female dark elves.
** Popeye Vogelsang voices Farkas of the Companions, the Riften blacksmith Balimund, the Markarth housecarl Argis the Bulwark, Yngvar the Singer, Stenvar the mercenary in Windhelm, Maul, and a handful of other [=NPCs=].[=NPCs=].
** Michael Gough voices Vilkas of the Companions, Jarl Balgruuf, Brunwulf Free-Winter, Talsgar the Wanderer, and several other characters.



** Jean Gilpin voices Elenwen and the Daedric Princes Meridia and Boethiah.



*** Additionally, Mercer and Enthir share a voice actor (Stephen Russell). It's jarring to say the least during Thieves' Guild questline, given that Mercer [[spoiler: serves as the main antagonist]], while Enthir plays a critical role in taking him down.

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*** Additionally, Mercer and Enthir share a voice actor (Stephen Russell). It's jarring to say the least during the Thieves' Guild questline, given that Mercer [[spoiler: serves as the main antagonist]], while Enthir plays a critical role in taking him down.

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* PlayingAgainstType: As noted elsewhere, Paarthurnax is voiced by Creator/CharlesMartinet. Yes, [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros MARIO.]]

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* PlayingAgainstType: As noted elsewhere, Paarthurnax [[TokenHeroicOrc Paarthurnax]] is voiced by Creator/CharlesMartinet. Yes, [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros MARIO.]]]]
* PortOverdosed: Was initially ported to most sixth generation consoles. It later got an UpdatedRerelease dubbed ''The Elder's Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition'' which is just the base game remastered using the updated version of Creation Engine that was used for ''VideoGame/Fallout4''. The Special Edition was later used as a basis for the ''UsefulNotes/NintendoSwitch'' edition and the VR edition, the former allows you to place the [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaBreathOfTheWild Link amiibo from BoTW]], where you can obtain an exclusive item that gives you Link's attire for that game and the Master Sword alongside the Hylian Shield.
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** Mjoll the Lioness was going to have a lengthy questline in which the Dragonborn helped her take down the ThievesGuild, along the lines of "Destroy the Dark Brotherhood," but this was scrapped for time. This is probably the reason that Mjoll has an essential flag - like many quest-giving [=NPCs=], she was to remain unkillable until after the completion of her quest, and you ''can't'' complete her quest because you can't ever begin it.

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** Mjoll the Lioness was going to have a lengthy questline in which the Dragonborn helped her take down the ThievesGuild, along the lines of "Destroy the Dark Brotherhood," but this was scrapped for time. This is probably the reason that Mjoll has an essential flag - like many quest-giving [=NPCs=], she was to remain unkillable until after the completion of her quest, and you ''can't'' complete her quest because you can't ever begin it. As with a lot of unfinished content [[https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/28880 modders also worked to implement this into the game]] though the final result is slightly buggy.
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*** In fact there exists unused, unimplemented code in the game for an alternate ending to the DLC [[https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/43529 which a modder finished]] that allows the player to earn Miraak as a follower by using the bend will shout on him during the battle, causing him to become an ally as Hermaeus Mora sends multiple enemies to fight both of you. Rather than being killed after the fight, Miraak will move to his temple in Solstheim.
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** Game files show that Aela the Huntress has dialogue for the mission "Proving Honor", suggesting that either she was originally going to be the one who would accompany the player on said mission instead of Farkas, or it would've been random between the two.

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