History Trivia / Pocahontas

10th Dec '17 11:03:46 AM nombretomado
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** The first pass of the story was going to be closer to the actual events (at least as close as [[ArtisticLicense a "fairy tale" version]] could get), with Pocahontas being twelve years old and speaking Powhatan for most of the film, gradually learning how to speak English. Jeff Katzenberg, desperate to earn the DisneyAnimatedCanon [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast another Academy Award nomination]], wanted the story to be sexier, both in tone and appearance, in the hopes of [[AnimationAgeGhetto appealing to the Academy Awards' standards of "maturity."]] It was his decision to age Pocahontas up and [[AdaptationalAttractiveness make John Smith more attractive]].

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** The first pass of the story was going to be closer to the actual events (at least as close as [[ArtisticLicense a "fairy tale" version]] could get), with Pocahontas being twelve years old and speaking Powhatan for most of the film, gradually learning how to speak English. Jeff Katzenberg, desperate to earn the DisneyAnimatedCanon Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast another Academy Award nomination]], wanted the story to be sexier, both in tone and appearance, in the hopes of [[AnimationAgeGhetto appealing to the Academy Awards' standards of "maturity."]] It was his decision to age Pocahontas up and [[AdaptationalAttractiveness make John Smith more attractive]].
9th Aug '17 7:54:59 AM GothicProphet
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* Native reactions to this picture varied widely and [[http://www.kstrom.net/isk/poca/pocahont.html Native researcher Paula Giese provided a detailed analysis here]].

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* Native reactions to this picture varied widely and [[http://www.kstrom.net/isk/poca/pocahont.html Native researcher Paula Giese provided a detailed analysis here]].here]].
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25th Jul '17 9:09:51 PM creader
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* InkSuitActor:
** Pocahontas was heavily modelled off the appearance of her voice actress Irene Bedard.
** Chief Powhatan was likewise inspired by his voice actor Russell Means.
** Christian Bale also said that the animators sketched him so they could model Thomas's movements off his.



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17th Jul '17 12:44:40 PM NWolfman
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** The first pass of the story was going to be closer to the actual events (at least as close as [[ArtisticLicense a "fairy tale" version]] could get), with Pocahontas being twelve years old and speaking Powhatan for most of the film, gradually learning how to speak English. Jeff Katzenberg wanted the story to be sexier, both in tone and appearance, in the hopes of [[AnimationAgeGhetto appealing to the Academy Awards' standards of "maturity."]] It was his decision to age Pocahontas up and [[AdaptationalAttractiveness make John Smith more attractive]].

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** The first pass of the story was going to be closer to the actual events (at least as close as [[ArtisticLicense a "fairy tale" version]] could get), with Pocahontas being twelve years old and speaking Powhatan for most of the film, gradually learning how to speak English. Jeff Katzenberg Katzenberg, desperate to earn the DisneyAnimatedCanon [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast another Academy Award nomination]], wanted the story to be sexier, both in tone and appearance, in the hopes of [[AnimationAgeGhetto appealing to the Academy Awards' standards of "maturity."]] It was his decision to age Pocahontas up and [[AdaptationalAttractiveness make John Smith more attractive]].
17th Jul '17 12:43:38 PM NWolfman
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen:

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: WhatCouldHaveBeen
** The first pass of the story was going to be closer to the actual events (at least as close as [[ArtisticLicense a "fairy tale" version]] could get), with Pocahontas being twelve years old and speaking Powhatan for most of the film, gradually learning how to speak English. Jeff Katzenberg wanted the story to be sexier, both in tone and appearance, in the hopes of [[AnimationAgeGhetto appealing to the Academy Awards' standards of "maturity."]] It was his decision to age Pocahontas up and [[AdaptationalAttractiveness make John Smith more attractive]].
17th Jul '17 12:26:59 PM NWolfman
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** Australian Creator/MelGibson as John Smith.

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** Australian Creator/MelGibson as Zig-zagged with Creator/MelGibson: American-born and raised in Australia, here playing the British John Smith.


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* GenreKiller: ''Pocahontas'' was the product of a very brief trend in the early '90s which began with ''Film/DancesWithWolves'' of sympathetic depictions of the plight of Indigenous Americans through the lens of a Caucasian protagonist, and it's critical failure also made it the last.
6th Mar '17 11:50:03 AM NWolfman
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* DuelingMovies: With ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'', a movie that Disney just happened to be distributing at the time. It blew this movie out of the water and this particular duel spelled the beginning of the end of hand-drawn animation being the predominant form in feature films.
28th Jan '17 11:05:24 AM CumbersomeTercel
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** Creator/BrianCox, Rupert Everett, Creator/StephenFry, and Creator/PatrickStewart were considered for Governor Ratcliffe.

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** Creator/BrianBlessed, Creator/BrianCox, Rupert Everett, Creator/StephenFry, and Creator/PatrickStewart were considered for Governor Ratcliffe.
28th Jan '17 10:58:39 AM CumbersomeTercel
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** Ben was written as another English settler. However Billy Connolly struggled to do an English accent and they just made him Scottish instead.

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** Ben was written as another English settler. However Billy Connolly However, Creator/BillyConnolly struggled to do an English accent and they just made him Scottish instead.



* TheCastShowOff: Creator/MelGibson did his own singing.



** Australian Mel Gibson as John Smith.

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** Australian Mel Gibson Creator/MelGibson as John Smith.



** Borderline example with Christian Bale, who is Welsh, but had an English accent already. He uses his natural voice for Thomas. Ironically Bale says that Thomas was originally envisioned as Irish or Scottish.

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** Borderline example with Christian Bale, Creator/ChristianBale, who is Welsh, but had an English accent already. He uses his natural voice for Thomas. Ironically Bale says that Thomas was originally envisioned as Irish or Scottish.



* SoMyKidsCanWatch: Mel Gibson signed on to voice John Smith for this reason.

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* SoMyKidsCanWatch: Mel Gibson Creator/MelGibson signed on to voice John Smith for this reason.



** Grandmother Willow was originally conceived as a character called Old Man River, who was to be voiced by Gregory Peck. When he read the treatment, Peck insisted that Pocahontas needed a maternal figure to turn to - and thus the character became female.

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** Grandmother Willow was originally conceived as a character called Old Man River, who was to be voiced by Gregory Peck. Creator/GregoryPeck. When he read the treatment, Peck insisted that Pocahontas needed a maternal figure to turn to - and thus the character became female.female.
** Creator/JohnCandy had provided a large amount of voice work into a character named "Redfeather", a turkey as Pocahontas's sidekick. However, after Candy's death in 1994, the concept was scrapped.



** Richard E Grant was going to voice Percy until the decision was made to mute the animals.

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** Richard E Grant Creator/BrianCox, Rupert Everett, Creator/StephenFry, and Creator/PatrickStewart were considered for Governor Ratcliffe.
** Creator/RichardEGrant
was going to voice Percy until the decision was made to mute the animals.



** Sean Bean nearly was chosen to voice John Smith, but Disney opted to try to find a star that was well-known in American - and Mel Gibson was cast instead.

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** Sean Bean Creator/SeanBean nearly was chosen to voice John Smith, but Disney opted to try to find a star that was well-known in American - and Mel Gibson Creator/MelGibson was cast instead.
4th Oct '16 7:01:13 AM dsneybuf
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* CutSong: "If I Never Knew You", later animated and restored for the 10th anniversary DVD. However, the 2-Movie Collection Blu-ray and DVD cut it out again.

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* CutSong: "If I Never Knew You", later animated and restored for the 10th anniversary Anniversary DVD. However, the 2-Movie Collection Blu-ray and DVD cut it out again.
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