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18th May '13 6:43:31 PM Cakeman

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* The Pokemon World Tournament, already quite difficult on its own, has most of the members of the Kanto Leaders Tournament that could definitely qualify for the position of That One Boss, the biggest being Lt. Surge. Specifically, his Electrode. It's unbelievably fast- barring Deoxys it's the '''third''' fastest Pokemon in the series. Which means, unless you've somehow managed to get the first strike on it by even more speed (you'd need an Accelgor or Ninjask for that), a Choice Scarf, or a Quick Claw, it's going first no matter what. And it's got a Lum Berry to rid it of whatever status effect you throw at it just once (especially paralysis, which would logically be the best choice for dampening it). It'll use Magnet Rise to take out any incoming Ground-type attacks, then Rain Dance, and then spam the guaranteed-hit Thunder until your entire team (unless you were smart enough to bring a Ground-type or somebody with an Electric-negating ability) is down. If you use a special attack against it, and wonder why you somehow managed to outspeed it... [[OhCrap say hi to]] [[HoistByHisOwnPetard Mirror Coat]]! If you're up against Lt. Surge? Good luck, as he's guaranteed to have the Electrode. (Note that if you're in the World Leader's Tournament, he still has the Electrode, but it does not know Mirror Coat, Rain Dance, or Thunder; it ''does'' know Double Team and Thunder Wave, however, which are almost as bad. Fact is, when you get to the World Leader's Tournament, almost ''every'' opponent is incredibly difficult. Juan is probably one of the hardest. And don't even get me started on the Champion's Tournament...)

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11th May '13 12:42:48 PM dancnbna

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10th May '13 6:29:30 PM tachikaze

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You can get Ice Beam in Mauville City or that shipwreck you got the ability to go to before Winona's gym.

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9th May '13 9:27:38 PM Ntroper

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2nd May '13 8:39:15 PM chicagomel

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** Likewise, Black and White 2 gives us the first Gym Leader, Cheren. All his Pokemon know Work Up, and while his Patrat isn't that big a deal, his Lillipup is. It'll probably be faster than you unless you have Snivy, and if it sets up the Work Up, there's little you can do once it uses it once or twice, and it'll probably sweep your team, unless you managed to migrate some items or rare Pokemon from the Dream Radar or something. And in Challenge Mode he has a Pidove whose only attack is Quick Attack, and paralyzing that won't do you much good. And players who got the game in the beginning and got the event Genesect quickly found out that it won't obey until you have the first badge,thus destroying any CurbStompBattle hopes. Thought catching a Riolu from Floccessy Ranch would help (something that a kid at the entrance to the Gym suggests)? Riolu doesn't learn any damaging Fighting type moves (other than Counter, which can be helpful in this fight, although it's very luck-based) until about level 16, which is very difficult to get up to this early in the game. And although some players thought they could [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomp]] Cheren with the Genesect from the wi-fi promotion, Genesect won't listen to you until you have that first badge.

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** Likewise, Black and White 2 gives us the first Gym Leader, Cheren. All his Pokemon know Work Up, and while his Patrat isn't that big a deal, his Lillipup is. It'll probably be faster than you unless you have Snivy, and if it sets up the Work Up, there's little you can do once it uses it once or twice, and it'll probably sweep your team, unless you managed to migrate some items or rare Pokemon from the Dream Radar or something. And in Challenge Mode he has a Pidove whose only attack is Quick Attack, and paralyzing that won't do you much good. And players who got the game in the beginning and got the wi-fi event Genesect quickly found out that it won't obey until you have the first badge,thus destroying any CurbStompBattle hopes. Thought catching a Riolu from Floccessy Ranch would help (something that a kid at the entrance to the Gym suggests)? Riolu doesn't learn any damaging Fighting type moves (other than Counter, which can be helpful in this fight, although it's very luck-based) until about level 16, which is very difficult to get up to this early in the game.

2nd May '13 8:38:03 PM chicagomel

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2nd May '13 8:35:52 PM chicagomel

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24th Apr '13 2:34:01 PM dancnbna

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* For the Champion, [[spoiler:Iris]] is quite more difficult than the previous Champion. The ''first'' mon you're up against is... wait for it... '''''another''''' underleveled Hydreigon. It will plow through your team with STAB Dragon Pulses, Surfs and Flamethrowers, which hit everything in the ''game'' for at least neutral damage. [[note]]In the rematch teams, the Hydreigon's moveset is the exact same as Ghetsis' first Hydreigon. Yep.[[/note]] Then, once you get through that, you'll have to fight through an Archeops, which is quite fast and has stats that are just through the roof. If you don't defeat it quickly, it'll use Endeavor to bring you back down to its health, which will easily let another mon finish you off. Lapras isn't too bad, although it's got high health, some strong attacks, and knows Sing. If you're slow, Druddigon and Aggron will definitely give you trouble (plus, Aggron's sky-high defense will make it a challenge to take out with non-effective physical attacks). And then there's the Haxorus. It knows Dragon Dance to boost its high Attack ''and'' decent Speed, as well as some strong moves like Dual Chop (which hits twice), X-Scissor, and [[ThatOneAttack Earthquake]]. Oh, and you can't one-shot it from full health because of its Focus Sash. Have fun.
** And god help you if you're playing on Challenge Mode, because her team's movesets get a ''complete'' redesign. Hydreigon has Fire Blast and Focus Blast, Druddigon gets Outrage and elemental punches, Lapras gets three VHPSAs[[note]]120 power special moves, i.e. Hydro Pump, Blizzard and Fire Blast, the inaccurate versions of their counterparts like Surf and Thunderbolt[[/note]] along with Sing, Aggron has ''Head Smash'' instead of Rock Slide, and suffers no recoil thanks to Rock Head. Archeops gets Stone Edge, and Acrobatics with the Flying Gem, as well, and finally, Haxorus gets Outrage instead of Dual Chop. In fact, all her Pokémon (and those of the rest of the Elite Four for that matter) get odd held items that either boost the power of their moves or accuracy. So yeah, this is not a battle to underestimate.

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* For the Champion, [[spoiler:Iris]] is quite more difficult than the previous Champion. The first mon you're up against is... wait for it... '''''another''''' underleveled Hydreigon. It will plow through your team with STAB Dragon Pulses, Surfs and Flamethrowers, which hit everything in the ''game'' for at least neutral damage. [[note]]In the rematch teams, her Hydreigon's moveset is the exact same as Ghetsis' first Hydreigon. Yep.[[/note]] Then, once you get through that, you'll have to fight through an Archeops, which is quite fast and has offensive stats that are just through the roof. If you don't defeat it quickly, it'll use Endeavor to bring you back down to its health, which will easily let another mon finish you off. Lapras isn't too bad, although it's got high health, some strong attacks, and knows Sing. If you're slow, Druddigon and Aggron will definitely give you trouble (plus, Aggron's sky-high Defense will make it a challenge to take out with non-effective physical attacks, and Druddigon carries a Life Orb to power up its attacks even more). And then there's her Haxorus. It knows Dragon Dance to boost its very high Attack ''and'' decent Speed, as well as some strong moves like Dual Chop (which hits twice), X-Scissor, and [[ThatOneAttack Earthquake]]. It's got Mold Breaker as its Ability, so if you brought in somebody with Levitate, they're still not safe. Oh, and you can't one-shot it from full health because of its Focus Sash. Have fun.
** And Arceus help you if you're playing on Challenge Mode, because her team's movesets get a ''complete'' redesign. Hydreigon has Fire Blast and Focus Blast, Druddigon gets Outrage and Thunder/Fire Punch, Lapras gets three [=VHPSAs=][[note]]120 base-power special moves, i.e. Hydro Pump, Blizzard and Fire Blast, the inaccurate versions of their counterparts like Surf and Thunderbolt[[/note]] along with Sing, Aggron has ''Head Smash'' instead of Rock Slide, and suffers no recoil thanks to Rock Head. Archeops gets Stone Edge, and Acrobatics with the Flying Gem, as well, and finally, Haxorus gets Outrage instead of Dual Chop. And in the rematches in Challenge Mode, Druddigon is replaced by ''Salamence''. In fact, all her Pokémon (and those of the rest of the Elite Four for that matter) get odd held items that either boost the power of their moves or accuracy. So yeah, this is not a battle to underestimate.

20th Apr '13 9:23:46 PM chicagomel

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