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--->''It's all right, children. Life is made up of meetings and partings. That is the way of it. I'm sure we shall never forget Tiny Tim, or this first parting that there was among us.''
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--->''It's all right, children. Life is made up of meetings and partings. That is the way of it. I'm sure we shall never forget Tiny Tim, or this first parting that there was among us.''''
* When Kermit and Ms. Piggy are playing Bob Crachit and Emily Crachit respectively and the film's already refused to pull its punches, you know there's going to be ManlyTears. Knowing what's coming doesn't help with the Crachits during Christmas Present sequence either.
* When Kermit and Ms. Piggy are playing Bob Crachit and Emily Crachit respectively and the film's already refused to pull its punches, you know there's going to be ManlyTears. Knowing what's coming doesn't help with the Crachits during Christmas Present sequence either.
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* Kermit's line about never forgetting Tiny Tim's passing is especially poignant when you remember this was the first feature movie after Jim Henson's death.
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* Kermit's line about never forgetting Tiny Tim's passing is especially poignant when you remember this was the first feature movie after Jim Henson's death.death.
--->''It's all right, children. Life is made up of meetings and partings. That is the way of it. I'm sure we shall never forget Tiny Tim, or this first parting that there was among us.''
--->''It's all right, children. Life is made up of meetings and partings. That is the way of it. I'm sure we shall never forget Tiny Tim, or this first parting that there was among us.''
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** Building on the above: most adaptations of ''AChristmasCarol'' have Scrooge totally surprised by his name appearing on the lonely tombstone in the cemetery. But Scrooge's tearful speech to the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come right before he's forced to look at the grave--"These events can be changed...A life can be made right..."--coupled with the broken reaction when he sees the words "EBENEZER SCROOGE" suggest that he realized the identity of the reviled dead man early on during the Ghost's visit, and has been in deep denial about it. Seeing Scrooge confused by the events of the future is one thing; seeing him totally aware, and slowly forced to deal with the consequences, is heart-wrenching.
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** Building on the above: most adaptations of ''AChristmasCarol'' ''Literature/AChristmasCarol'' have Scrooge totally surprised by his name appearing on the lonely tombstone in the cemetery. But Scrooge's tearful speech to the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come right before he's forced to look at the grave--"These events can be changed...A life can be made right..."--coupled with the broken reaction when he sees the words "EBENEZER SCROOGE" suggest that he realized the identity of the reviled dead man early on during the Ghost's visit, and has been in deep denial about it. Seeing Scrooge confused by the events of the future is one thing; seeing him totally aware, and slowly forced to deal with the consequences, is heart-wrenching.
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** when Kermit/Bob says he arranged for Tiny Tim to be buried on his favorite hilltop, where he could see the ducks. "He always loved watching the ducks on the river."
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** when When Kermit/Bob says he arranged for Tiny Tim to be buried on his favorite hilltop, where he could see tries describing it to Miss Piggy/Emily: "It's...it's near the ducks. "He always ducks on the river. Tiny Tim..." He's too broken to finish, so Emily quietly responds, "Tiny Tim loved watching the ducks on the river."
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** Building on the above: most adaptations of ''AChristmasCarol'' have Scrooge totally surprised by his name appearing on the lonely tombstone in the cemetery. But Scrooge's tearful speech to the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come right before he's forced to look at the grave--"These events can be changed...A life can be made right..."--coupled with the broken reaction when he sees the words "EBENEZER SCROOGE" suggest that he realized the identity of the reviled dead man early on during the Ghost's visit, and has been in deep denial about it. Seeing Scrooge confused by the events of the future is one thing; seeing him totally aware, and slowly forced to deal with the consequences, is heart-wrenching.
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* "It's so quiet. Why is it so quiet, Spirit?"
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* "It's so quiet. Why is it so quiet, Spirit?"Spirit?" Remember that Scrooge was looking forward to visiting the Cratchit home, as the previous scene was so depressing that he ''needed'' the love to be found in that house. He knows that it's unnatural that this house should be quiet. But it is. There's no happiness here, and he won't get a respite from the gloom he has encountered thus far. Poor Scrooge.
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*** Not just Kermit either; Miss Piggy, ActionGirl and LovableAlphaBitch extraordinaire, is ''every bit as broken as Kermit''. Also, in this continuity, they're a HappilyMarried couple with children. Across all their various incarnations and hilarious PlayedForLaughs MasochismTango moments interchanged with sweet AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther interactions, ''we are now seeing Kermit the Frog and Miss Piggy all-too-realistically bereft at the loss of their child''. '''[[GutPunch Wow.]]'''
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*** For what it's worth I saw the film with the number included when I was a kid. It didn't make me restless or anything, but it did make me feel sad. Particularly when MichaelCaine started to cry. He's such a great actor that the tears felt real.
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*** "I think (Dad)'s walked a little slower these past two evenings." That line just sets the tragedy up so mercilessly. The entire scene is near impossible not to weep at.
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*** "I think (Dad)'s [Dad]'s walked a little slower these past two evenings." That line just sets the tragedy up so mercilessly. The entire scene is near impossible not to weep at.
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** "The goose! The goose!... (coughs)"
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** "The goose! The goose!... (coughs)"[coughs]"
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*** "I think [Dad]'s walked a little slower these past two evenings." That line just sets the tragedy up so mercilessly. The entire scene is near impossible not to weep at.
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*** "I think [Dad]'s (Dad)'s walked a little slower these past two evenings." That line just sets the tragedy up so mercilessly. The entire scene is near impossible not to weep at.
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** "The goose, the goose...goose! The goose!... (coughs)"
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* The dedication to JimHenson and RichardHunt also invokes this on a meta level.
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* The dedication to JimHenson and RichardHunt Richard Hunt also invokes this on a meta level.
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**** Nor does, as mentioned below, the fact that [[HarsherInHindsight Jerry Nelson is no longer with us]].
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* "It's so quiet. Why is it so quiet, Spirit?"
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* "It's so quiet. Why is it so quiet, Spirit?"Spirit?"
* Kermit's line about never forgetting Tiny Tim's passing is especially poignant when you remember this was the first feature movie after Jim Henson's death.
* Kermit's line about never forgetting Tiny Tim's passing is especially poignant when you remember this was the first feature movie after Jim Henson's death.
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* The revelation in the Christmas Yet To Come that Scrooge is going to die. Most versions make the tombstone with his name on it a shock with a ScareChord, while others go as far as to have him being dragged to hell. Here, it's a slow, painful reveal with no frantic tone to keep him scared. It leaves more time to contemplate that the real tragedy isn't his mortality, but the fact that he won't get the chance to right all the wrongs he's seen during his journey.
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* The revelation in the Christmas Yet To Come that Scrooge is going to die. Most versions make the tombstone with his name on it a shock with a ScareChord, while others go as far as to have him being dragged to hell. Here, it's a slow, painful reveal with no frantic tone to keep him scared. It leaves more time to contemplate that the real tragedy isn't his mortality, but the fact that he won't get the chance to right all the wrongs he's seen during his journey.journey, and that no one will miss him or mourn his death.
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*** And the way Scrooge's voice breaks as he pleads "not Tiny Tim".
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*** I don't think it was so much "some people didn't like this number" as "the higher-ups were petrified that the children in the theater would grow restless and bored during this part." Not that this makes it any more valid. I wonder if they ever actually screened the song in a real theater with real kids.
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* The revelation in the Christmas Yet To Come that Scrooge is going to die. Most versions make the tombstone with his name on it a shock with a ScareChord, while others go as far as to have him being dragged to hell. Here, it's a slow, painful reveal with no frantic tone to keep him scared. It leaves more time to contemplate that the real tragedy isn't his mortality, but the fact that he won't get the chance to right all the wrongs he's seen during his journey.
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* The revelation in the Christmas Yet To Come that Scrooge is going to die. Most versions make the tombstone with his name on it a shock with a ScareChord, while others go as far as to have him being dragged to hell. Here, it's a slow, painful reveal with no frantic tone to keep him scared. It leaves more time to contemplate that the real tragedy isn't his mortality, but the fact that he won't get the chance to right all the wrongs he's seen during his journey.journey.
* "It's so quiet. Why is it so quiet, Spirit?"
* "It's so quiet. Why is it so quiet, Spirit?"
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* Right after Kermit/Bob finishes "One More Sleep Til Christmas", he scurries off camera, and the camera pans over to the homeless bunny Scrooge threw the wreath at earlier, who is spending his Christmas trying to sleep in a heap of trash. It's such a little thing, but to see that not everybody can have a marvellous Christmas...
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* Right after Kermit/Bob finishes "One More Sleep Til Christmas", he scurries off camera, and the camera pans over to poor little Bean Bunny, the homeless bunny caroler Scrooge threw the wreath at earlier, who is spending his Christmas trying to sleep Eve huddled, shivering, in a heap pile of trash. It's such a little thing, but to see that not everybody can have a marvellous Christmas...
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* The ending of "Bless Us All," especially when Tiny Tim (Robin) is singing. You can see Scrooge looking moved, before he asks the Ghost of Christmas Present if Tiny Tim will live.
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* The ending of "Bless Us All," especially when Tiny Tim (Robin) is singing.singing, and coughs after the last note. The song is cheery but that cough is a reminder that the family, while together now, may not be complete in the future, and they try to move on to the dinner to keep up their spirits. You can see Scrooge looking moved, before he asks the Ghost of Christmas Present if Tiny Tim will live.
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* Scrooge's reaction to hearing that he was the subject of Fred's mocking round of ''Yes And No''.
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* Scrooge's reaction to hearing that he was the subject of Fred's mocking round of ''Yes And No''.No''.
* The revelation in the Christmas Yet To Come that Scrooge is going to die. Most versions make the tombstone with his name on it a shock with a ScareChord, while others go as far as to have him being dragged to hell. Here, it's a slow, painful reveal with no frantic tone to keep him scared. It leaves more time to contemplate that the real tragedy isn't his mortality, but the fact that he won't get the chance to right all the wrongs he's seen during his journey.
* The revelation in the Christmas Yet To Come that Scrooge is going to die. Most versions make the tombstone with his name on it a shock with a ScareChord, while others go as far as to have him being dragged to hell. Here, it's a slow, painful reveal with no frantic tone to keep him scared. It leaves more time to contemplate that the real tragedy isn't his mortality, but the fact that he won't get the chance to right all the wrongs he's seen during his journey.
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*** This troper has never not cried when Kermit/Bob's voice breaks on his son's name as he says, "Life is made up of meetings and partings; that is the way of it. I am sure we shall never forget Tiny Tim, or this first parting that there was among us."
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*** This troper has never not cried when Kermit/Bob's voice breaks on his son's name as he says, "Life is made up of meetings and partings; that is the way of it. I am sure we shall never forget Tiny Tim, or this first parting that there was among us."" And then the score wistfully reprises "Bless Us All"...
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** [[HarsherInHindsight Does it even help that Jerry Nelson is no longer with us]]?
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* The ending of "Bless Us All," especially when Tiny Tim (Robin) is singing. You can see Scrooge looking moved, before he asks the Ghost of Christmas Present if Tiny Tim will live.
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* The ending of "Bless Us All," especially when Tiny Tim (Robin) is singing. You can see Scrooge looking moved, before he asks the Ghost of Christmas Present if Tiny Tim will live.live.
* Scrooge's reaction to hearing that he was the subject of Fred's mocking round of ''Yes And No''.
* Scrooge's reaction to hearing that he was the subject of Fred's mocking round of ''Yes And No''.
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* The dedication to JimHenson and RichardHunt also invokes this on a meta level.
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* The dedication to JimHenson and RichardHunt also invokes this on a meta level.level.
* The ending of "Bless Us All," especially when Tiny Tim (Robin) is singing. You can see Scrooge looking moved, before he asks the Ghost of Christmas Present if Tiny Tim will live.
* The ending of "Bless Us All," especially when Tiny Tim (Robin) is singing. You can see Scrooge looking moved, before he asks the Ghost of Christmas Present if Tiny Tim will live.
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By general concensus, if you do not get teary at some point during this movie, ''you have no soul.''
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* Right after Kermit/Bob finishes "One More Sleep Til Christmas", he scurries off camera, and the camera pans over to the homeless bunny Scrooge threw the wreath at earlier, who is spending his Christmas trying to sleep in a heap of trash.
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* Right after Kermit/Bob finishes "One More Sleep Til Christmas", he scurries off camera, and the camera pans over to the homeless bunny Scrooge threw the wreath at earlier, who is spending his Christmas trying to sleep in a heap of trash. It's such a little thing, but to see that not everybody can have a marvellous Christmas...
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** Also a bit of a [[TheScrappy Scrappy]], since some people didn't like this number, and the theatrical release doesn't have it. Let's just say that YourMileageMayVary on this song...
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** Also a bit of a [[TheScrappy Scrappy]], since some people didn't like this number, and the theatrical release doesn't have it. Let's just say that YourMileageMayVary on this song...
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*** It doesn't help with the RealitySubtext of Jim Henson's death.
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* Right after Kermit/Bob finishes "One More Sleep Til Christmas", he scurries off camera, and the camera pans over to the homeless bunny Scrooge threw the wreath at earlier, who is spending his Christmas trying to sleep in a heap of trash.
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*** This is the only version of A Christmas Carol where Tim's death gets to this troper. The fact that Kermit the Frog, a symbol of happiness, laughter, and all that good stuff, is so totally heartbroken is just horrible to watch.
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*** This troper has never not cried when Kermit/Bob's voice breaks on his son's name as he says, "Life is made up of meetings and partings; that is the way of it. I am sure we shall never forget Tiny Tim, or this first parting that there was among us."
