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* Although Tau Idair initially comes across as confident to the point of arrogance, it quickly becomes clear that she's a HeartbrokenBadass, crippled with SurvivorsGuilt and thoroughly believing that her experiences and talent for battle mean that she's a great fighter but a bad Jedi, even with Gnost-Dural's [[YouAreBetterThanYouThink encouragement]].[[/folder]]

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* Although Tau Idair initially comes across as confident to the point of arrogance, it quickly becomes clear that she's a HeartbrokenBadass, crippled with SurvivorsGuilt and thoroughly believing that her experiences and talent for battle mean that she's a great fighter but a bad Jedi, even with Gnost-Dural's [[YouAreBetterThanYouThink encouragement]].[[/folder]]encouragement]].
* At one point, a reporter interviews you regarding your choice of which faction to support on Iokath. If you were a Republic character who sided with the Empire, one of your responses is to go on a ''furious'' rant about how much the Republic has screwed you over despite everything you did for them ever since ''Fallen Empire''. No matter which class it is, you can feel your characters anger and betrayal in their voice.
-->"The Republic has done nothing but blockade me at every turn! Their Supreme Chancellor tried to have me ''KILLED!''"[[/folder]]
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**** If you sided with Zash, Bioware burned the bridge of ever getting her back, as Khem will straight up tell you that he *ate* her soul. [[CuttingOffTheBranches Zash will die no matter what]] - either by your hand or by Khem's. At least there is a chance of any of the others coming back. [[KilledOffForReal No, Zash is dead.]] [[ButThouMust And you have no choice in the matter.]]
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* On a Meta level, while all the Imperial Classes will have some degree of ShootTheShaggyDog story considering the Sith Empire ''will'' fall in a millenia and a half, for a Sith Inquisitor, especially a light sided one, its far worse. A LS SI will push for reforms and can even be the kind of sith who doesn't backstab everyone and supports non-Sith Purbloods and non-humans. Reforms Acina will implement [[spoiler: when she becomes Empress]]. These reforms ''do'' take in Legends EU, giving the Sith a HopeSpot... but they still struggle with their ChronicBackstabbingDisorder, so that when the Brotherhood takes over with the intent of implementing those reforms without losing Sith identity, they get wiped out by Darth Bane. Even worse is that Bane will wipe away those very reforms like "not fucking over the military"... [[DramaticIrony using the teachings of Darth Revan.]] But hey, at least the SI as the Alliance Commander got rid of [[spoiler: Vitiate/Valkorion]], right? That put them in the history books, right? ''Maybe as a footnote,'' because [[spoiler: Vitiate]] is an inspiration to both Darth Plageius and Darth Sidious/Palpatine. Also even if you found functional Immortality in ''Shadow of Revan'', the technique was apparently lost as Plageius and Palpatine use ''Vitiate's'' research into immortality instead of yours, with Palpatine noting that only Vitiate ever got close to it. At least the Hero of Thython and the Third Barsen'thor will be remembered amongst the Jedi, and the Emperor's Hand/Sith Warrior might have inspired some combat techniques. But the Sith Inquisitor? The one who pulled themselves up from the Slave Pens onto the Dark Council? It was ultimately AllForNothing. At best they're remembered for killing [[spoiler: Valkorion]], but all the hard work, research, and soul searching? [[JerkassHasAPointGuess Harkun was right.]] As far as history was concerned, the Sith Inquisitor really was just a slave: [[DoomedByCanon a slave to the Legends Canon.]]

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* On a Meta level, while all the Imperial Classes will have some degree of ShootTheShaggyDog story considering the Sith Empire ''will'' fall in a millenia and a half, for a Sith Inquisitor, especially a light sided one, its far worse. A LS SI will push for reforms and can even be the kind of sith who doesn't backstab everyone and supports non-Sith Purbloods and non-humans. Reforms Acina will implement [[spoiler: when she becomes Empress]]. These reforms ''do'' take in Legends EU, giving the Sith a HopeSpot... but they still struggle with their ChronicBackstabbingDisorder, so that when the Brotherhood takes over with the intent of implementing those reforms without losing Sith identity, they get wiped out by Darth Bane. Even worse is that Bane will wipe away those very reforms like "not fucking over the military"... [[DramaticIrony using the teachings of Darth Revan.]] But hey, at least the SI as the Alliance Commander got rid of [[spoiler: Vitiate/Valkorion]], right? That put them in the history books, right? ''Maybe as a footnote,'' because [[spoiler: Vitiate]] is an inspiration to both Darth Plageius and Darth Sidious/Palpatine. Also even if you found functional Immortality in ''Shadow of Revan'', the technique was apparently lost as Plageius and Palpatine use ''Vitiate's'' research into immortality instead of yours, with Palpatine noting that only Vitiate ever got close to it. At least the Hero of Thython and the Third Barsen'thor will be remembered amongst the Jedi, and the Emperor's Hand/Sith Warrior might have inspired some combat techniques. But the Sith Inquisitor? The one who pulled themselves up from the Slave Pens onto the Dark Council? It was ultimately AllForNothing. At best they're remembered for killing [[spoiler: Valkorion]], but all the hard work, research, and soul searching? [[JerkassHasAPointGuess [[JerkassHasAPoint Guess Harkun was right.]] As far as history was concerned, the Sith Inquisitor really was just a slave: [[DoomedByCanon a slave to the Legends Canon.]]
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* On a Meta level, while all the Imperial Classes will have some degree of ShootTheShaggyDog story considering the Sith Empire ''will'' fall in a millenia and a half, for a Sith Inquisitor, especially a light sided one, its far worse. A LS SI will push for reforms and can even be the kind of sith who doesn't backstab everyone and supports non-Sith Purbloods and non-humans. Reforms Acina will implement [[spoiler: when she becomes Empress]]. These reforms ''do'' take in Legends EU, giving the Sith a HopeSpot... but they still struggle with their ChronicBackstabbingDisorder, so that when the Brotherhood takes over with the intent of implementing those reforms without losing Sith identity, they get wiped out by Darth Bane. Even worse is that Bane will wipe away those very reforms like "not fucking over the military"... [[DramaticIrony using the teachings of Darth Revan.]] But hey, at least the SI as the Alliance Commander got rid of [[spoiler: Vitiate/Valkorion]], right? That put them in the history books, right? ''Maybe as a footnote,'' because [[spoiler: Vitiate]] is an inspiration to both Darth Plageius and Darth Sidious/Palpatine. Also even if you found functional Immortality in ''Shadow of Revan'', the technique was apparently lost as Plageius and Palpatine use ''Vitiate's'' research into immortality instead of yours, with Palpatine noting that only Vitiate ever got close to it. At least the Hero of Thython and the Third Barsen'thor will be remembered amongst the Jedi, and the Emperor's Hand/Sith Warrior might have inspired some combat techniques. But the Sith Inquisitor? The one who pulled themselves up from the Slave Pens onto the Dark Council? It was ultimately AllForNothing. At best they're remembered for killing [[spoiler: Valkorion]], but all the hard work, research, and soul searching? [[JerkassHasAPointGuess Harkun was right.]] As far as history was concerned, the Sith Inquisitor really was just a slave: [[DoomedByCanon a slave to the Legends Canon.]]
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** There's something about Theron's letter if you flirted with him throughout Shadows of Revan. Perhaps it's because they had just the beginnings of a relationship, but it still managed to be something that he sends a letter to them just on the off chance they'd survived and that Lana could successfully rescue them.

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** There's something about Theron's letter if you flirted with him throughout Shadows of Revan. Perhaps it's because they had just the beginnings of a relationship, but it still managed to be something that he sends a letter to them just on the off chance they'd survived and that Lana could successfully rescue them. Near the end of the message, he laments that the whole galaxy seems to have gone crazy, and the fact that the Outlander is still out there is pretty much the only thing that's keeping him going.
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* On Nar Shaddaa, the player character is sent to kill a legendary assassin. After gathering info and weakening his forces, he goes for the player character's main contact, killing him and a childhood friend of Mako. This gets even worse if the player kept teasing Mako about a possible romance between the two.

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* On Nar Shaddaa, the player character is sent to kill a legendary assassin. After gathering info and weakening his forces, he goes for the player character's main contact, killing him and a Mako's childhood friend of Mako. Anuli. This gets even worse if the player kept teasing Mako about a possible romance between the two.two, and/or agreed to go along with Mako's promise to take Anuli with you when you leave Nar Shaddaa.
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** And it becomes even more of a tear jerker if you agree to his request. It's not shown onscreen, except for the last part where Jicoln says he fought a righteous battle and nothing would get him to see otherwise, but whatever Jicoln said clearly causes Torian to see his father differently, and become more reluctant to kill him. (Earlier, Torian had no qualms at all about killing his father.)

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** And it becomes even more of a tear jerker if you agree to his request. It's not shown onscreen, except for the last part where Jicoln says he fought a righteous battle and nothing would get him to see otherwise, but whatever Jicoln said clearly causes Torian to see his father differently, and become more reluctant to kill him. (Earlier, (Up to that point, Torian referred to his father only as "the traitor" and had no qualms at all about killing his father.him.)
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* Maybe this troper's just soft-hearted, but the dark-side ending to the quest "The Path of Power". When the Inquisitor arrives on Balmorra, s/he is greeted by Major Bessiker, a friendly, somewhat [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} odd]] soldier who has been assigned to assist you. Throughout the entire questline he's helpful and reasonable, and takes pretty much all the Inquisitor's [[BunnyEarsLawyer Inquisitor-ness]] in stride. Then he asks you to rescue his son, another Sith, who has been captured by rebels. Well, when you get there, the son talks about a holocron he found that leads the way to a powerful artifact. Since you ''are'' a [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Sith]], you naturally get the option to kill him, take the holocron, get the artifact, then return to base. There you are confronted by a panicking Major Bessiker, who reveals that they had an agent at the base who caught the whole thing on camera. He's visibly distraught over the death of his son, asking you why you killed him, saying he trusted you to rescue him, and calling you a monster, ultimately having a breakdown and trying to kill you. The entire scene is depressing, and the music that plays during it is just the icing on the cake.

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* Maybe this troper's just soft-hearted, but the The dark-side ending to the quest "The Path of Power". When the Inquisitor arrives on Balmorra, s/he is greeted by Major Bessiker, a friendly, somewhat [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} odd]] soldier who has been assigned to assist you. Throughout the entire questline he's helpful and reasonable, and takes pretty much all the Inquisitor's [[BunnyEarsLawyer Inquisitor-ness]] in stride. Then he asks you to rescue his son, another Sith, who has been captured by rebels. Well, when you get there, the son talks about a holocron he found that leads the way to a powerful artifact. Since you ''are'' a [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Sith]], you naturally get the option to kill him, take the holocron, get the artifact, then return to base. There you are confronted by a panicking Major Bessiker, who reveals that they had an agent at the base who caught the whole thing on camera. He's visibly distraught over the death of his son, asking you why you killed him, saying he trusted you to rescue him, and calling you a monster, ultimately having a breakdown and trying to kill you. The entire scene is depressing, and the music that plays during it is just the icing on the cake.



* If playing Light-Side, the culmination of the Alderaan arc has Nomar Organa waiting for you with an ambush, revealing that he ''never'' had any intention of leaving the Jedi to reunite with Lady Rist, the woman who had pined for him for over 20 years. Considering that the Inquisitor had conducted themselves with honour throughout the quest, his callous betrayal and HolierThanThou speech on Jedi virtues, makes it's ''very'' satisfying when you're forced to kill him.

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* If playing Light-Side, the culmination of the Alderaan arc has Nomar Organa waiting for you with an ambush, revealing that he ''never'' had any intention of leaving the Jedi to reunite with Lady Rist, the woman who had pined for him for over 20 years. Considering that the Inquisitor had conducted themselves with honour throughout the quest, his callous betrayal and HolierThanThou speech on Jedi virtues, makes it's it ''very'' satisfying when you're forced to kill him.



** Vette's letter is even worse. She can't stop playing through her head how you [[NeverFoundTheBody "died"]], and says she'd like to imagine you [[TakingYouWithMe went down swinging]], but she'll never know for sure and can't get closure. Most of all, though, she just wonders if you had time to think about her before the end. [[TearJerker ...I just have something in both my eyes, okay?]]

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** Vette's letter is even worse. She can't stop playing through her head how you [[NeverFoundTheBody "died"]], and says she'd like to imagine you [[TakingYouWithMe went down swinging]], but she'll never know for sure and can't get closure. Most of all, though, she just wonders if you had time to think about her before the end. [[TearJerker ...I just have something in both my eyes, okay?]]
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* [[spoiler:The Exile's death. After an entire life full of pain, [[UnwittingPawn manipulations, and deceit]], she gets stabbed in the back by Scourge to prevent her from saving Revan.]] Read ''Literature/{{Revan}}'' for more details.
** For those who are too lazy, [[spoiler:The Jedi Exile (or Meetra Surik) was a Jedi general who served under Revan during the Mandalorian Wars and was his former Padawan. She was responsible for [[EarthShatteringKaboom activating the Mass Shadow Generator, which destroyed Malachor Five,]] [[AMotherToHerMen and due to her Force bonds with her soldiers,]] [[DeconstructedTrope she feels the death of]] ''every soldier on Malachor Five.'' The only way she survived this was by instinctively [[BroughtDownToNormal cutting her connection to the Force.]] Then, since she was the only Jedi to return to the Council to face judgement, she was scapegoated for ''every damn thing Revan's army did and kicked out of the Order.'' Then, after wandering the galaxy for a while, she's pulled out of retirement to rebuild the Jedi Order after the Sith Triumvirate exterminated it a la Order 66. She's appears to be doing fine when one of her companions turns out to be a former member of the Triumvirate, forcing her to destroy her along with Malachor Five...''again''. [[UpToEleven It gets worse.]] Along the way, she finds out that she's a [[HumanoidAbomination "wound in the Force", meaning that she siphons the life force of her surroundings to use her Force powers.]] Despite all of this, she still rebuilds the Jedi Order, but she then goes to find her missing Master: Revan. She discovers him on Dromund Kaas, and with the help of the future Emperor's Wrath, Lord Scourge, she breaks out Revan and faces the Sith Emperor. However, he's too strong even for the three of them, so Scourge betrays them to save himself, killing Meetra in the process. [[PlayerPunch Needless to say,]] [[ShootTheShaggyDog she really, really deserves a hug.]]]]

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* [[spoiler:The The Exile's death. After an entire life full of pain, [[UnwittingPawn manipulations, and deceit]], she gets stabbed in the back by Scourge to prevent her from saving Revan.]] Read Revan.
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** For those who are too lazy, [[spoiler:The
shows the details of the event. The Jedi Exile (or Meetra Surik) was a Jedi general who served under Revan during the Mandalorian Wars and was his former Padawan. She was responsible for [[EarthShatteringKaboom activating the Mass Shadow Generator, which destroyed Malachor Five,]] [[AMotherToHerMen and due to her Force bonds with her soldiers,]] [[DeconstructedTrope she feels the death of]] ''every soldier on Malachor Five.'' The only way she survived this was by instinctively [[BroughtDownToNormal cutting her connection to the Force.]] Then, since she was the only Jedi to return to the Council to face judgement, she was scapegoated for ''every damn thing Revan's army did and kicked out of the Order.'' Then, after wandering the galaxy for a while, she's pulled out of retirement to rebuild the Jedi Order after the Sith Triumvirate exterminated it a la Order 66. She's appears to be doing fine when one of her companions turns out to be a former member of the Triumvirate, forcing her to destroy her along with Malachor Five...''again''. [[UpToEleven It gets worse.]] Along the way, she finds out that she's a [[HumanoidAbomination "wound in the Force", meaning that she siphons the life force of her surroundings to use her Force powers.]] Despite all of this, she still rebuilds the Jedi Order, but she then goes to find her missing Master: Revan. She discovers him on Dromund Kaas, and with the help of the future Emperor's Wrath, Lord Scourge, she breaks out Revan and faces the Sith Emperor. However, he's too strong even for the three of them, so Scourge betrays them to save himself, killing Meetra in the process. [[PlayerPunch Needless to say,]] [[ShootTheShaggyDog she really, really deserves a hug.]]]]]]



* The ending of the Oricon questline, Republic side. [[spoiler:Dread Master Calphayus comes stumbling out of the Dread Fortress, clutching his side in pain, and without wearing his mask. At first, he just stammers in a broken, defeated tone about how the other Dread Masters gave him strength and purpose, and questions how the player character even manages to function without 'chains to uplift' them, driving home how he - and most likely the other Dread Masters as well, to varying degrees - were as much a victim of their own MindRape powers as anyone else was, as Calphayus is quite clearly traumatized from prolonged exposure to it and then being forcibly ripped from the only thing keeping his mind even partially intact.]] And then, it get worse: [[spoiler:He mentions that he [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes used to be married]], and wonders why he wasn't afraid of his (most likely deceased) wife, indicating that he now mentally associates familial love with fear, due to how long he has been a part of the Dread Masters' HiveMind. Needless to say, it's really, really hard not to take the [[PetTheDog Light Side option]].]]

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* The ending of the Oricon questline, Republic side. [[spoiler:Dread Dread Master Calphayus comes stumbling out of the Dread Fortress, clutching his side in pain, and without wearing his mask. At first, he just stammers in a broken, defeated tone about how the other Dread Masters gave him strength and purpose, and questions how the player character even manages to function without 'chains to uplift' them, driving home how he - and most likely the other Dread Masters as well, to varying degrees - were as much a victim of their own MindRape powers as anyone else was, as Calphayus is quite clearly traumatized from prolonged exposure to it and then being forcibly ripped from the only thing keeping his mind even partially intact.]] And then, it get worse: [[spoiler:He He mentions that he [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes used to be married]], and wonders why he wasn't afraid of his (most likely deceased) wife, indicating that he now mentally associates familial love with fear, due to how long he has been a part of the Dread Masters' HiveMind. Needless to say, it's really, really hard not to take the [[PetTheDog Light Side option]].]]



* The ultimate fate of Revan in the game is both heartbreaking and rage-inducing. [[spoiler: He is rescued from his centuries-long imprisonment by Republic players only to attempt to save the galaxy by wiping out the Sith species, otherwise known as around 97% of the Imperial population. Imperial players are sent to take him down, and as he (seemingly) dies, he echoes Malak's last words on how he is beyond redemption. PlayerPunch doesn't even begin to cover how much this sucks for fans of the old games.]]
** The Foundry: Especially for the lightside players, but seeing [[spoiler: how far Revan has fallen, to his monstrous plan to kill most of the Sith Empire... an awful lot of lines are desperate attempts to persuade him that he's been corrupted, all to no avail. And then his [[IronicEcho final words.]]]]
** It gets worse: [[spoiler:only his light side half let go and died. His dark side half still survived and went even more insane. He takes personal command of his cult and begins a ritual to ''[[WhatTheHellHero give the incorporeal Emperor a body]]'' in order to ostensibly kill him once and for all]].

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* The ultimate fate of Revan in the game is both heartbreaking and rage-inducing. [[spoiler: He is rescued from his centuries-long imprisonment by Republic players only to attempt to save the galaxy by wiping out the Sith species, otherwise known as around 97% of the Imperial population. Imperial players are sent to take him down, and as he (seemingly) dies, he echoes Malak's last words on how he is beyond redemption. PlayerPunch doesn't even begin to cover how much this sucks for fans of the old games.]]
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** The Foundry: Especially for the lightside players, but seeing [[spoiler: how far Revan has fallen, to his monstrous plan to kill most of the Sith Empire... an awful lot of lines are desperate attempts to persuade him that he's been corrupted, all to no avail. And then his [[IronicEcho final words.]]]]
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** It gets worse: [[spoiler:only only his light side half let go and died. His dark side half still survived and went even more insane. He takes personal command of his cult and begins a ritual to ''[[WhatTheHellHero give the incorporeal Emperor a body]]'' in order to ostensibly kill him once and for all]].all.



** And for anyone who romanced Bastila or Carth Onasi as a Light-sided male or female Revan from KOTOR I, it's an extra gut-puncher because [[spoiler: if you play KOTOR II, they're both waiting for Revan to come back, and have no idea that they were imprisoned by the Sith Emperor. Carth and Bastila waited for their lover to come home to them, and died without seeing them again.]]
* The dark side finale of the Directive 7 story mission can be really rough on people who like droids. [[spoiler:C5-M3, who turned his back on his own kind to save every biological creature in the galaxy, rewarded by being memory-wiped to ensure he doesn't decide to rebel again. It's a toss-up as to which faction has the more depressing reaction: with the Empire he struggles and cries out he's a free being before his mind is wiped; with the Republic he's stunned, saying much the same words, but in a quiet, defeated voice.]]

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** And for anyone who romanced Bastila or Carth Onasi as a Light-sided male or female Revan from KOTOR I, it's an extra gut-puncher because [[spoiler: if you play KOTOR II, they're both waiting for Revan to come back, and have no idea that they were imprisoned by the Sith Emperor. Carth and Bastila waited for their lover to come home to them, and died without seeing them again.]]
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* The dark side finale of the Directive 7 story mission can be really rough on people who like droids. [[spoiler:C5-M3, C5-M3, who turned his back on his own kind to save every biological creature in the galaxy, rewarded by being memory-wiped to ensure he doesn't decide to rebel again. It's a toss-up as to which faction has the more depressing reaction: with the Empire he struggles and cries out he's a free being before his mind is wiped; with the Republic he's stunned, saying much the same words, but in a quiet, defeated voice.]]



* If you don't romance Lana or Theron yourself, there's a certain amount of tension between them, and not all the kind you'd expect. You might even start pulling for a miracle for those two crazy kids. [[spoiler:Then Lana has to go be a Sith and stab Theron in the back, if for the greater good, and he can't trust her anymore.]]
* Romancing Theron Shan as an Imperial character is also bittersweet. [[spoiler: "Soon as we rejoin the fleet and make the jump to lightspeed, that's it. No more truce. You and I, we probably won't exchange another word ever again." His voice even sounds like it's cracking a bit near the end.]]
* In the new Rise of the Emperor content, [[spoiler:every class gets to experience the stab of failure that the Jedi Knight got to back at the end of chapter 1, when Ziost, which all eight classes had fought so hard to save, has every ounce of life on it apparently consumed by the Emperor. Yay?]]

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* If you don't romance Lana or Theron yourself, there's a certain amount of tension between them, and not all the kind you'd expect. You might even start pulling for a miracle for those two crazy kids. [[spoiler:Then Then Lana has to go be a Sith and stab Theron in the back, if for the greater good, and he can't trust her anymore.]]
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* Romancing Theron Shan as an Imperial character is also bittersweet. [[spoiler: "Soon as we rejoin the fleet and make the jump to lightspeed, that's it. No more truce. You and I, we probably won't exchange another word ever again." His voice even sounds like it's cracking a bit near the end.]]
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* In the new Rise of the Emperor content, [[spoiler:every every class gets to experience the stab of failure that the Jedi Knight got to back at the end of chapter 1, when Ziost, which all eight classes had fought so hard to save, has every ounce of life on it apparently consumed by the Emperor. Yay?]]Yay?



* On board of the Foundry, after you've destroyed HK47, [[spoiler: Revan]] comments: "That droid waited loyally for me for 300 years. I can rebuild him, but it won't be the same." Considering HK47's attitude toward ''meatbags'', it really brings home how much the original crew of the Ebon Hawk meant to each other, and how it has all been lost.

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* On board of the Foundry, after you've destroyed HK47, [[spoiler: Revan]] Revan comments: "That droid waited loyally for me for 300 years. I can rebuild him, but it won't be the same." Considering HK47's attitude toward ''meatbags'', it really brings home how much the original crew of the Ebon Hawk meant to each other, and how it has all been lost.



* On Alderaan, [[spoiler: seeing Orgus Din get killed by Darth Angral in a holorecording, after just finally having cornered his last apprentice.]] What makes it worse is that [[spoiler: it was initially thought that he was killed in a Sith attack, but fortunately managed to turn up and reunite with the Jedi Knight for one last time.]]
* Uphrades. Occasionally the knight acknowledges how much this affected them. The mail you get after the fact doesn't really lessen the gut-punch. [[spoiler: Millions of people living on a pleasant agricultural world, and Darth Angral decides to turn the entire planet into a fireball with his Devastator weapon. Then you're told that only a hundred or so survived.]]
** And at Level 60, we get [[spoiler:the events at Ziost. Now granted, these events happen to all classes, but to anyone playing a Knight, losing ''two'' planets can be a particularly hard PlayerPunch to take.]]
* Lord Scourge, in a way. [[spoiler:He reveals to you that his immortality came at the price of his ability to see color, his senses of taste and smell and touch, and the ability to feel emotion. He can't even really feel sad for his loss, though he does distantly remember what his favorite foods were and the color of his first love's eyes, and wants the ability to feel them back.]]
* The other classes' Shadow of Revan quests are all about tying up loose ends or moving on to the future. The Jedi Knight [[spoiler:just helps people. Just be a Jedi and help out around town, in ways most of them won't even remember. Of course, Master Orgus--and his return, with the implication it will be the last time, is rough too--wasn't telling you the whole truth. He thinks you need to heal, because the mental wounds left by the Emperor's domination are scabbed over, but not healing. You need to face them, he believes...and let go of the shame of what you did while you were in his thrall.]]

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* On Alderaan, [[spoiler: seeing Orgus Din get killed by Darth Angral in a holorecording, after just finally having cornered his last apprentice.]] apprentice. What makes it worse is that [[spoiler: it was initially thought that he was killed in a Sith attack, but fortunately managed to turn up and reunite with the Jedi Knight for one last time.]]
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* Uphrades. Occasionally the knight acknowledges how much this affected them. The mail you get after the fact doesn't really lessen the gut-punch. [[spoiler: Millions of people living on a pleasant agricultural world, and Darth Angral decides to turn the entire planet into a fireball with his Devastator weapon. Then you're told that only a hundred or so survived.]]
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** And at Level 60, we get [[spoiler:the the events at Ziost. Now granted, these events happen to all classes, but to anyone playing a Knight, losing ''two'' planets can be a particularly hard PlayerPunch to take.]]
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* Lord Scourge, in a way. [[spoiler:He He reveals to you that his immortality came at the price of his ability to see color, his senses of taste and smell and touch, and the ability to feel emotion. He can't even really feel sad for his loss, though he does distantly remember what his favorite foods were and the color of his first love's eyes, and wants the ability to feel them back.]]
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* The other classes' Shadow of Revan quests are all about tying up loose ends or moving on to the future. The Jedi Knight [[spoiler:just just helps people. Just be a Jedi and help out around town, in ways most of them won't even remember. Of course, Master Orgus--and his return, with the implication it will be the last time, is rough too--wasn't telling you the whole truth. He thinks you need to heal, because the mental wounds left by the Emperor's domination are scabbed over, but not healing. You need to face them, he believes...and let go of the shame of what you did while you were in his thrall.]]



* Senator Grell is captured from your ship at the end of Belsavis. You pull out all the stops; Tharan and Holiday do an epic job of hacking the kidnapper's systems, your crew moves to intercept. You and Nadia storm aboard as lightsaber-packing BigDamnHeroes...and [[spoiler: [[YouAreTooLate it's just barely too late to save the Senator]]. Worse, the guy who tortured Grell to death is a [[AlasPoorVillain Sith so badly screwed up]] he can't recall his own ''name,'' much less who hired him. The Sith's lying broken and babbling on the floor, having [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness expended his use]]. Nadia is giving it everything she has with her uncontrolled Force abilities in a futile attempt to revive her dad, and there's ''nothing'' you can salvage from it. ]]
* TheReveal about the First Son ''can'' be played this way, especially if you have Tharan in the party at the time. Remember, Tharan ''openly'' distrusts Force-based mysticism. [[spoiler: But he did consider Master Syo as his ''friend.'']] So when he sees his friend taken hostage by something he cannot fight with science, logic, or reason, it turns into one of these, especially if the Consular picks the options that share in his dismay.
* When you are constructing your holocron on Riishi, you get to hear snippets of the future via the Force. But one of them really hits [[spoiler: doubly so if you're a female Consular]]:
-->[[spoiler:'''Felix Iresso''']]: You were the best I ever knew. Goodbye, Jedi.
* Adding another blow to the above? [[spoiler: while recording your holocron, Master O'a gives a few hints--Nadia might take your holocron to her homeworld of Sar'kai after your death, and he implies that Felix's possible death is at the hands of a Sith--whose great-grandson may also find your holocron]].
* A Consular Outlander gets the opportunity to find Felix Iresso. The man himself is alive and reasonably sane, which is quite the surprise considering what he had been through. [[spoiler: He pursued a lead to find the Consular, only to fall into a trap set up by the Knights of Zakuul, Upon finding out about the holocron in his head, they turned him over to be tortured by a MadScientist; the same lunatic who twisted Vaylin into being completely insane.]] He learns that, while captured, the Republic [[spoiler: wrote him off as MIA and washed their hands of him.]] Needless to say, he's got a very big case of BrokenPedestal and is a changed and broken man [[spoiler: Doubly so if the Counselor turns him away.]]

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* Senator Grell is captured from your ship at the end of Belsavis. You pull out all the stops; Tharan and Holiday do an epic job of hacking the kidnapper's systems, your crew moves to intercept. You and Nadia storm aboard as lightsaber-packing BigDamnHeroes...and [[spoiler: [[YouAreTooLate it's just barely too late to save the Senator]]. Worse, the guy who tortured Grell to death is a [[AlasPoorVillain Sith so badly screwed up]] he can't recall his own ''name,'' much less who hired him. The Sith's lying broken and babbling on the floor, having [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness expended his use]]. Nadia is giving it everything she has with her uncontrolled Force abilities in a futile attempt to revive her dad, and there's ''nothing'' you can salvage from it. ]]
it.
* TheReveal about the First Son ''can'' be played this way, especially if you have Tharan in the party at the time. Remember, Tharan ''openly'' distrusts Force-based mysticism. [[spoiler: But he did consider Master Syo as his ''friend.'']] '' So when he sees his friend taken hostage by something he cannot fight with science, logic, or reason, it turns into one of these, especially if the Consular picks the options that share in his dismay.
* When you are constructing your holocron on Riishi, you get to hear snippets of the future via the Force. But one of them really hits [[spoiler: doubly so if you're a female Consular]]:
-->[[spoiler:'''Felix Iresso''']]:
Consular:
-->'''Felix Iresso''':
You were the best I ever knew. Goodbye, Jedi.
* Adding another blow to the above? [[spoiler: above; while recording your holocron, Master O'a gives a few hints--Nadia might take your holocron to her homeworld of Sar'kai after your death, and he implies that Felix's possible death is at the hands of a Sith--whose great-grandson may also find your holocron]].
holocron.
* A Consular Outlander gets the opportunity to find Felix Iresso. The man himself is alive and reasonably sane, which is quite the surprise considering what he had been through. [[spoiler: He pursued a lead to find the Consular, only to fall into a trap set up by the Knights of Zakuul, Upon finding out about the holocron in his head, they turned him over to be tortured by a MadScientist; the same lunatic who twisted Vaylin into being completely insane.]] insane. He learns that, while captured, the Republic [[spoiler: wrote him off as MIA and washed their hands of him.]] him. Needless to say, he's got a very big case of BrokenPedestal and is a changed and broken man [[spoiler: man. Doubly so if the Counselor turns him away.]]



* [[spoiler: The original Havoc Squad's defection. It really comes off as a sharp and painful kick to the balls if you didn't see it coming. These seasoned war veterans, the best the Republic has to offer, who are legends and heroes that have won countless battles for the Republic, all throw in the towel and join the Sith. What's worse is that you get the feeling that there's some justified reason for their defection, as they were abandoned by the Senate in a mission to Ando Prime and they cite that as their reason for betrayal. There's just something depressing about heroes of the Republic turning traitor against it, especially from the POV of a light side trooper who up to that point has seen them as ideal heroes and superiors. (in contrast to the grumpy Lieutenant Jorgan) To top off this bad news sundae, numerous Special Forces units follow Havoc Squad's lead and defect to the Empire too. Not to mention that Commander Harron Tavus, the Havoc Squad leader, was one of the heroes that many fans followed in the comics, and once had a fling going with Satele Shan, the current head of the Jedi Order. How do you think she would feel if word leaked out and she found out about this?]]
** [[spoiler: What's even worse is their fate. Aside from their Special Forces comrades getting killed by the player, the former Havoc members either get gunned down by the player, or most of them die with a few getting captured, set to spend the rest of their lives as a disgrace, despite all they've done for the Republic. One can really feel the depression from Commander Tavus' voice when he says "They agreed with me.....they followed me....they all died because of me....." Especially since everyone (or almost everyone) who followed him died for it. "And for what? We accomplished nothing....nothing....." Cap it off with a portion of the "Anakin's Betrayal" theme when the Trooper takes the Dark-Side option to kill Tavus. Even though they betrayed the Republic, the player just killed a group of men and women who have saved Republic lives over and over again. There's just no way not to see it as depressing, aside from viewing the end as having catharsis at the death of a traitor.]]
-->[[spoiler: "No mercy for traitors."]]
*** [[spoiler: Also, imagine the look on Satele Shan's face when she not only hears that Tavus went bad, but also got killed for it. Good thing she never finds that out about the trooper player character, eh? Although one can see Satele getting pleased with a trooper character who managed to capture Tavus and bring him in alive.]]
* The Trooper's class quest on Tatooine culminates in a SadisticChoice: let the Imperials escape with state-of-the-art new bomb designs that they plan to test on civilians on some other frontier world, or let [[spoiler: your former teammate - the man who gave you the warning about what the Imperials were doing and gave you the chance to stop them in the first place]] - die when the base self-destructs. There's not enough time to stop the explosion and still catch the Imperials, and he begs you to leave him behind and go after them; if you do, the game shows him in his cell as the base blows, sadly resigned to his fate. The email you get from General Garza afterwards just twists the knife:
--> Lieutenant Fasser managed to recover [[spoiler:Fuse's]] remains from the rubble on Tatooine.\\

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* [[spoiler: The original Havoc Squad's defection. It really comes off as a sharp and painful kick to the balls if you didn't see it coming. These seasoned war veterans, the best the Republic has to offer, who are legends and heroes that have won countless battles for the Republic, all throw in the towel and join the Sith. What's worse is that you get the feeling that there's some justified reason for their defection, as they were abandoned by the Senate in a mission to Ando Prime and they cite that as their reason for betrayal. There's just something depressing about heroes of the Republic turning traitor against it, especially from the POV of a light side trooper who up to that point has seen them as ideal heroes and superiors. (in contrast to the grumpy Lieutenant Jorgan) To top off this bad news sundae, numerous Special Forces units follow Havoc Squad's lead and defect to the Empire too. Not to mention that Commander Harron Tavus, the Havoc Squad leader, was one of the heroes that many fans followed in the comics, and once had a fling going with Satele Shan, the current head of the Jedi Order. How do you think she would feel if word leaked out and she found out about this?]]
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** [[spoiler: What's even worse is their fate. Aside from their Special Forces comrades getting killed by the player, the former Havoc members either get gunned down by the player, or most of them die with a few getting captured, set to spend the rest of their lives as a disgrace, despite all they've done for the Republic. One can really feel the depression from Commander Tavus' voice when he says "They agreed with me.....they followed me....they all died because of me....." Especially since everyone (or almost everyone) who followed him died for it. "And for what? We accomplished nothing....nothing....." Cap it off with a portion of the "Anakin's Betrayal" theme when the Trooper takes the Dark-Side option to kill Tavus. Even though they betrayed the Republic, the player just killed a group of men and women who have saved Republic lives over and over again. There's just no way not to see it as depressing, aside from viewing the end as having catharsis at the death of a traitor.]]
-->[[spoiler: "No
traitor.
-->"No
mercy for traitors."]]
"
*** [[spoiler: Also, imagine the look on Satele Shan's face when she not only hears that Tavus went bad, but also got killed for it. Good thing she never finds that out about the trooper player character, eh? Although one can see Satele getting pleased with a trooper character who managed to capture Tavus and bring him in alive.]]
alive.
* The Trooper's class quest on Tatooine culminates in a SadisticChoice: let the Imperials escape with state-of-the-art new bomb designs that they plan to test on civilians on some other frontier world, or let [[spoiler: your former teammate - the man who gave you the warning about what the Imperials were doing and gave you the chance to stop them in the first place]] place - die when the base self-destructs. There's not enough time to stop the explosion and still catch the Imperials, and he begs you to leave him behind and go after them; if you do, the game shows him in his cell as the base blows, sadly resigned to his fate. The email you get from General Garza afterwards just twists the knife:
--> Lieutenant Fasser managed to recover [[spoiler:Fuse's]] Fuse's remains from the rubble on Tatooine.\\



* Late game you are forced into another such choice regarding the fate of [[spoiler: Sgt. Jaxo. Jaxo]] is a [[spoiler: cute Republic Special Forces agent who worked with the trooper earlier on in his storyline, and if you were a male, was a minor romance option (and well liked by the player base).]] Eventually, you have to decide between condemning her to die by {{Explosive Decompression}} (with her begging and pleading for you to let her live), or sacrificing 300 Republic citizens being held prisoner by Imperials. The sheer number of otherwise Light Side trooper players who made the Dark Side choice to save [[spoiler: Jaxo]] rather than the 300 prisoners is telling.
** Worse still is if she's saved. [[spoiler: Once she finds out that literally 300 people died to save her, she's hit with a massive bout of SurvivorGuilt and refuses to even see the Trooper again. The letter that she sends only punctuate the enormity of that fact. Having presumably heeded advice to check herself into therapy in order to help herself cope, the fact that her typing/writing is pretty much all in lower case, missing most of its punctuation and is riddled with despondence shows the player just how much her survival broke her down.]]

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* Late game you are forced into another such choice regarding the fate of [[spoiler: Sgt. Jaxo. Jaxo]] Jaxo is a [[spoiler: cute Republic Special Forces agent who worked with the trooper earlier on in his storyline, and if you were a male, was a minor romance option (and well liked by the player base).]] base). Eventually, you have to decide between condemning her to die by {{Explosive Decompression}} (with her begging and pleading for you to let her live), or sacrificing 300 Republic citizens being held prisoner by Imperials. The sheer number of otherwise Light Side trooper players who made the Dark Side choice to save [[spoiler: Jaxo]] Jaxo rather than the 300 prisoners is telling.
** Worse still is if she's saved. [[spoiler: Once she finds out that literally 300 people died to save her, she's hit with a massive bout of SurvivorGuilt and refuses to even see the Trooper again. The letter that she sends only punctuate the enormity of that fact. Having presumably heeded advice to check herself into therapy in order to help herself cope, the fact that her typing/writing is pretty much all in lower case, missing most of its punctuation and is riddled with despondence shows the player just how much her survival broke her down.]]



** And just to twist the knife, if [[spoiler: Jaxo]] died, you will receive a message from one of her friends/colleagues (?), who is tasked with sorting through her personal belongings. As [[spoiler: Jaxo]] turns out to have no living relatives, that person just sends some of her stuff to you with a message that reads rather businesslike and unemotional... except the final line: "I miss her so much."
* The fate of [[spoiler:Eclipse Squad]] in Shadow of Revan. [[spoiler:Patriots and good soldiers all--well, except for Tap--who thought Garza was using the Infinite Army augmentation process to turn them into better soldiers. And she did. For a while. They're very a dark mirror of Havoc Squad--not unlike the traitor Havocs were, but in a more tragic way--and combined with Garza anticipating being dismissed from her post if not the service and the hinted restructuring of Special Forces, it feels like the end of an era.]]

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** And just to twist the knife, if [[spoiler: Jaxo]] Jaxo died, you will receive a message from one of her friends/colleagues (?), who is tasked with sorting through her personal belongings. As [[spoiler: Jaxo]] Jaxo turns out to have no living relatives, that person just sends some of her stuff to you with a message that reads rather businesslike and unemotional... except the final line: "I miss her so much."
* The fate of [[spoiler:Eclipse Squad]] Eclipse Squad in Shadow of Revan. [[spoiler:Patriots Patriots and good soldiers all--well, except for Tap--who thought Garza was using the Infinite Army augmentation process to turn them into better soldiers. And she did. For a while. They're very a dark mirror of Havoc Squad--not unlike the traitor Havocs were, but in a more tragic way--and combined with Garza anticipating being dismissed from her post if not the service and the hinted restructuring of Special Forces, it feels like the end of an era.]]




* The Trooper often shows up to try and save someone, but is too late, and they die right in front of them (An entire village on Balmorra, [[spoiler: Agent Kellor]] on Voss). [[CombatMedic Elara]] tries to heal them, but all she can do is ease their pain.

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\n* The Trooper often shows up to try and save someone, but is too late, and they die right in front of them (An entire village on Balmorra, [[spoiler: Agent Kellor]] Kellor on Voss). [[CombatMedic Elara]] tries to heal them, but all she can do is ease their pain.



** Finding [[spoiler: her dead mother]] is even worse, especially if you're playing Light Side. There you are, fresh from freeing Vette from slavery, reuniting her with her old gang, helping her get her own back on Cada Bliss and claim the Star of Kala'uun and freeing her sister from Nar Shaddaa, you head to Tattooine, confident that you can reunite her family by freeing her mother. [[spoiler: [[YouAreTooLate But you arrive days late, and can only help bury her.]] ]]

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** Finding [[spoiler: her dead mother]] mother is even worse, especially if you're playing Light Side. There you are, fresh from freeing Vette from slavery, reuniting her with her old gang, helping her get her own back on Cada Bliss and claim the Star of Kala'uun and freeing her sister from Nar Shaddaa, you head to Tattooine, confident that you can reunite her family by freeing her mother. [[spoiler: [[YouAreTooLate But you arrive days late, and can only help bury her.]] ]]



* If playing Light-Side, the culmination of the Alderaan arc has [[spoiler:Nomar Organa waiting for you with an ambush, revealing that he ''never'' had any intention of leaving the Jedi to reunite with Lady Rist, the woman who had pined for him for over 20 years. Considering that the Inquisitor had conducted themselves with honour throughout the quest, his callous betrayal and HolierThanThou speech on Jedi virtues, makes it's ''very'' satisfying when you're forced to kill him.]]

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* If playing Light-Side, the culmination of the Alderaan arc has [[spoiler:Nomar Nomar Organa waiting for you with an ambush, revealing that he ''never'' had any intention of leaving the Jedi to reunite with Lady Rist, the woman who had pined for him for over 20 years. Considering that the Inquisitor had conducted themselves with honour throughout the quest, his callous betrayal and HolierThanThou speech on Jedi virtues, makes it's ''very'' satisfying when you're forced to kill him.]]



* When you go up against the Jedi Master at the end of Act One, but take the light side option [[spoiler: and spare his Padawan after telling her to alert the rest of the ship of your plan to destroy it so the crew can evacuate]], she sends you a letter saying that she feels sorry for you. Even after what happened, she figures that you're probably not evil, but ''very'' misguided. If you're playing a Light-sided Bounty Hunter, it's difficult not to conclude that she's probably right. [[spoiler: Worse, is that she comes after you on Quesh. You don't get a chance to spare her that time, even if you might just [[LeaveYourQuestTest want to]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone at that point]].]] It does make the eventual death of [[spoiler: Jun Seros]] very satisfying. He basically sent a child after the Bounty Hunter, a child that had already proven to be incapable of beating them.

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* When you go up against the Jedi Master at the end of Act One, but take the light side option [[spoiler: and spare his Padawan after telling her to alert the rest of the ship of your plan to destroy it so the crew can evacuate]], evacuate, she sends you a letter saying that she feels sorry for you. Even after what happened, she figures that you're probably not evil, but ''very'' misguided. If you're playing a Light-sided Bounty Hunter, it's difficult not to conclude that she's probably right. [[spoiler: Worse, is that she comes after you on Quesh. You don't get a chance to spare her that time, even if you might just [[LeaveYourQuestTest want to]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone at that point]].]] It does make the eventual death of [[spoiler: Jun Seros]] Seros very satisfying. He basically sent a child after the Bounty Hunter, a child that had already proven to be incapable of beating them.



* On a meta level, Jicoln and the Preservers are a heavy blow to ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' players. Your character probably just made it through The Foundry flashpoint [[spoiler: where you dispatch the crazed Revan like a rabid mutt]], and Jicoln's faction are a splinter group who follow Canderous's teachings, believing the Mandalorians deserve better than to be Sith hired guns. Add this to destroying everything the Republic side tried to accomplish on Taris. In the space of a few levels, story-wise, the Hunter has taken the legacies of [=KOTOR's=] finest, smashed it to atoms, and gets hailed as an Imperial hero for it.
* The new ''Shadow of Revan'' Bounty Hunter story mission [[spoiler:springs Crysta Markon's death defending her daughter on you. You get to have a nice RoaringRampageOfRevenge, though.]]

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* On a meta level, Jicoln and the Preservers are a heavy blow to ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' players. Your character probably just made it through The Foundry flashpoint [[spoiler: where you dispatch the crazed Revan like a rabid mutt]], mutt, and Jicoln's faction are a splinter group who follow Canderous's teachings, believing the Mandalorians deserve better than to be Sith hired guns. Add this to destroying everything the Republic side tried to accomplish on Taris. In the space of a few levels, story-wise, the Hunter has taken the legacies of [=KOTOR's=] finest, smashed it to atoms, and gets hailed as an Imperial hero for it.
* The new ''Shadow of Revan'' Bounty Hunter story mission [[spoiler:springs springs Crysta Markon's death defending her daughter on you. You get to have a nice RoaringRampageOfRevenge, though.]]



* Similar to the Inquisitor's "Not a slave" quote above, the IA may get a similar moment in the chapter two finale. When [[spoiler:Watcher X asks you what you want to do now that you essentially mind-control yourself]], one possible reply is: "No more codewords. No more control." The Agent may not have been a slave who became Sith but they know just as well how little their freedom meant to the people they trusted the hard way, and the utterly serious way they deliver that line, without a trace of their usual suaveness, shows how deeply [[spoiler:being tugged along on a string has affected them]]. Culminates in a mini-SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome when it's revealed that (for story purposes anyway) [[spoiler:as a result, the agent is completely immune to mind control, or at least tech-based mind control, including kinds they've never encountered before]].
* The endgame of Chapter 3 is bleakly depressing, in a way. [[spoiler: After chasing the Star Cabal for a chapter and a half, you finally get your confrontation with Hunter. What you're faced with is someone who never really had a chance; someone so utterly screwed up by life that the Agent is the closest thing she has to a friend. And once it's all over, it's likely no one will ever remember her, save for the Agent and their crew.]] The scene is heartbreaking, as is one of the Agent's potential goodbyes (the [=VAs=] manage to make the unlikeliest of lines sound comforting):
-->[[spoiler:You were the best enemy I could have wished for.]]

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* Similar to the Inquisitor's "Not a slave" quote above, the IA may get a similar moment in the chapter two finale. When [[spoiler:Watcher Watcher X asks you what you want to do now that you essentially mind-control yourself]], yourself, one possible reply is: "No more codewords. No more control." The Agent may not have been a slave who became Sith but they know just as well how little their freedom meant to the people they trusted the hard way, and the utterly serious way they deliver that line, without a trace of their usual suaveness, shows how deeply [[spoiler:being being tugged along on a string has affected them]]. them. Culminates in a mini-SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome when it's revealed that (for story purposes anyway) [[spoiler:as as a result, the agent is completely immune to mind control, or at least tech-based mind control, including kinds they've never encountered before]].
before.
* The endgame of Chapter 3 is bleakly depressing, in a way. [[spoiler: After chasing the Star Cabal for a chapter and a half, you finally get your confrontation with Hunter. What you're faced with is someone who never really had a chance; someone so utterly screwed up by life that the Agent is the closest thing she has to a friend. And once it's all over, it's likely no one will ever remember her, save for the Agent and their crew.]] The scene is heartbreaking, as is one of the Agent's potential goodbyes (the [=VAs=] manage to make the unlikeliest of lines sound comforting):
-->[[spoiler:You -->You were the best enemy I could have wished for.]]



* As an Empire player, seeing Darth Marr being blasted by Valkorion and him just laying there, not getting up. [[spoiler: And in Chapter 5, he comes back as a Force Ghost while talking to Satele, which means him being dead is now practically a guarantee. After everything you've been through to see him go down like that is just depressing. The Empire has lost one of its greatest heroes.]]
* Everything about Senya's revelation that [[spoiler:she's the mother of Arcann and Vaylin]]. There's just so much sorrow and regret in her voice as she talks about [[spoiler:how she loved them so much and tried to save them from Valkorian, but they spurned her in favor of the father who spurned them.]]
* [[spoiler:HK-55's death. He notices the Outlander is outmatched against Arkann and jumps in front of them to protect them from a fatal blow.]] Making things worse is how [[spoiler:SCORPIO coldly dismisses him as "inferior" and "fated for scrap anyway" afterwards, and how there's no time to recover his data core. He's really dead forever.]]
** [[spoiler: Although he does get rebuilt, however he is only accessible if the player was subscribed to the game for a brief moment of time]]

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* As an Empire player, seeing Darth Marr being blasted by Valkorion and him just laying there, not getting up. [[spoiler: And in Chapter 5, he comes back as a Force Ghost while talking to Satele, which means him being dead is now practically a guarantee. After everything you've been through to see him go down like that is just depressing. The Empire has lost one of its greatest heroes.]]
heroes.
* Everything about Senya's revelation that [[spoiler:she's she's the mother of Arcann and Vaylin]]. Vaylin. There's just so much sorrow and regret in her voice as she talks about [[spoiler:how how she loved them so much and tried to save them from Valkorian, but they spurned her in favor of the father who spurned them.]]
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* [[spoiler:HK-55's HK-55's death. He notices the Outlander is outmatched against Arkann and jumps in front of them to protect them from a fatal blow.]] Making things worse is how [[spoiler:SCORPIO SCORPIO coldly dismisses him as "inferior" and "fated for scrap anyway" afterwards, and how there's no time to recover his data core. He's really dead forever.]]
forever.
** [[spoiler: Although he does get rebuilt, however he is only accessible if the player was subscribed to the game for a brief moment of time]]time.



*** Inquisitors can reunite with Xalek, Talos, Andronikos and Ashara; but Khem Val (or Zash depending on your choices over who gets his body) has essentially vanished [[spoiler:and whoever was denied control of Khem's body turns against you and later dies in "The Nathema Conspiracy"]].

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*** Inquisitors can reunite with Xalek, Talos, Andronikos and Ashara; but Khem Val (or Zash depending on your choices over who gets his body) has essentially vanished [[spoiler:and and whoever was denied control of Khem's body turns against you and later dies in "The Nathema Conspiracy"]].Conspiracy".



*** Not to mention that Jorgan's letter mentions that he sent it after your character was gone for two months, refusing to believe you were dead, but mentioning how hard it is to fight without you by his side. [[spoiler: By the time you've awakened, you've been gone for 5 years.]] How much has Jorgan had to go through in that gap?

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*** Not to mention that Jorgan's letter mentions that he sent it after your character was gone for two months, refusing to believe you were dead, but mentioning how hard it is to fight without you by his side. [[spoiler: By the time you've awakened, you've been gone for 5 years.]] years. How much has Jorgan had to go through in that gap?



* The end of Chapter 13, regardless of your choices up to that point, is rough. To wit, [[spoiler:almost the entirety of the reformed Havoc Squad died on the mission to the Hyperwave Relay, regardless of who you had do what. Only Jorgan, Kaliyo, and ''maybe'' one other Havoc member survive (there are six members in Jorgan's Havoc, but only four coffins). Jorgan, having lost Havoc Squad ''yet again'', takes his frustrations out on Kaliyo, who has such little understanding of Jorgan's pain that she treats it as a ''very'' personal attack. Your character, whether Sith Lord, Jedi Master, or random Smuggler or bounty hunter, can blame themselves for not being there when the decisions were hardest. The whole thing is very somber and humbling, especially after having just pulled a heist that would make [[Film/OceansEleven Ocean]] blush.]]
** You can alternately [[spoiler:chew them both out for failing, then ''shoot and kill'' one to [[YouHaveFailedMe make an example]]. '''Even if they're your spouse''', and if they ARE, the shock and betrayal in their voice as their husband/wife murders them for one failure, along with the Outlander's complete coldness at killing their loved one, is both shockingly sad and horrifying.]]
* In chapter 16 [[spoiler: Senya finds Arcann seemingly dead on the collapsing ship and her reaction is gut-wrenching.]]
--->'''Senya'''[[spoiler: I wanted to save you]]
** [[spoiler: Senya unsuccessfully trying to convince Vaylin to come back to her.]]
--->'''Senya'''[[spoiler: What happened to Thexan...to Arcann...I should've stayed.]]
--->'''Vaylin'''[[spoiler: You were weak. You left us. ''You left me.'']]

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* The end of Chapter 13, regardless of your choices up to that point, is rough. To wit, [[spoiler:almost almost the entirety of the reformed Havoc Squad died on the mission to the Hyperwave Relay, regardless of who you had do what. Only Jorgan, Kaliyo, and ''maybe'' one other Havoc member survive (there are six members in Jorgan's Havoc, but only four coffins). Jorgan, having lost Havoc Squad ''yet again'', takes his frustrations out on Kaliyo, who has such little understanding of Jorgan's pain that she treats it as a ''very'' personal attack. Your character, whether Sith Lord, Jedi Master, or random Smuggler or bounty hunter, can blame themselves for not being there when the decisions were hardest. The whole thing is very somber and humbling, especially after having just pulled a heist that would make [[Film/OceansEleven Ocean]] blush.]]
blush.
** You can alternately [[spoiler:chew chew them both out for failing, then ''shoot and kill'' one to [[YouHaveFailedMe make an example]]. '''Even if they're your spouse''', and if they ARE, the shock and betrayal in their voice as their husband/wife murders them for one failure, along with the Outlander's complete coldness at killing their loved one, is both shockingly sad and horrifying.]]
horrifying.
* In chapter 16 [[spoiler: Senya finds Arcann seemingly dead on the collapsing ship and her reaction is gut-wrenching.]]
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** Vaylin gets in some much-needed characterization showing that she wasn't exactly the DaddysLittleVillain everyone assumed her to be. Instead, [[spoiler: she was sequestered on a planet that was basically ''dead'' to the Force in an effort to keep her abilities under control while she was desensitized to suffering and deliberately brainwashed so her father could keep her on a short leash, fearing that she'd do to him [[{{Patricide}} what he'd done]] to ''his'' father.]]
* The SadisticChoice Valkorian puts on the Outlander late in the expansion: [[spoiler: Torian and Vette are companions that most ''everyone'' likes, whereas most of the other former companions that could be killed off before this were base breaking in some form or another. Both are fairly nice, likeable people who have helped both the Outlander and the player out quite a bit. And ''you have to choose which one dies''. Vette's heartbreaking wail if you choose to sacrifice her is gut-wrenching, and [[NegatedMomentOfAwesome watching Torian being captured before being killed by Vaylin]] (instead of [[TakingYouWithMe going down swinging]] [[LastStand like you'd expect from a]] ''[[YouShallNotPass Mando'ad]]'') is just as bad. Unlike previous instances of previous companions being killable, there is no happy ending where both survive no matter how much you may want and try to save both of them. It's even more heartbreaking if the Outlander romanced the companion being sacrificed, and just like Chapter 13 of ''Fallen Empire'', there is specific dialogue for if this happens.]]
** What's even worse is that [[spoiler:Vaylin deliberately gives you a HopeSpot that you can maybe save them. Whichever one you didn't save, she captures alive and says she'll be bringing with her to negotiations. Once there, she kicks them around for a bit, then throws them across the room at the Outlander, as if she's returning them. You watch the Outlander rush over to see if they're alright...and as soon as the Outlander reaches them, Vaylin uses the Force to [[NeckSnap snap their neck]].]] [[PlayerPunch Ouch.]]

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** Vaylin gets in some much-needed characterization showing that she wasn't exactly the DaddysLittleVillain everyone assumed her to be. Instead, [[spoiler: she was sequestered on a planet that was basically ''dead'' to the Force in an effort to keep her abilities under control while she was desensitized to suffering and deliberately brainwashed so her father could keep her on a short leash, fearing that she'd do to him [[{{Patricide}} what he'd done]] to ''his'' father.]]
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* The SadisticChoice Valkorian puts on the Outlander late in the expansion: [[spoiler: Torian and Vette are companions that most ''everyone'' likes, whereas most of the other former companions that could be killed off before this were base breaking in some form or another. Both are fairly nice, likeable people who have helped both the Outlander and the player out quite a bit. And ''you have to choose which one dies''. Vette's heartbreaking wail if you choose to sacrifice her is gut-wrenching, and [[NegatedMomentOfAwesome watching Torian being captured before being killed by Vaylin]] (instead of [[TakingYouWithMe going down swinging]] [[LastStand like you'd expect from a]] ''[[YouShallNotPass Mando'ad]]'') is just as bad. Unlike previous instances of previous companions being killable, there is no happy ending where both survive no matter how much you may want and try to save both of them. It's even more heartbreaking if the Outlander romanced the companion being sacrificed, and just like Chapter 13 of ''Fallen Empire'', there is specific dialogue for if this happens.]]
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** What's even worse is that [[spoiler:Vaylin Vaylin deliberately gives you a HopeSpot that you can maybe save them. Whichever one you didn't save, she captures alive and says she'll be bringing with her to negotiations. Once there, she kicks them around for a bit, then throws them across the room at the Outlander, as if she's returning them. You watch the Outlander rush over to see if they're alright...and as soon as the Outlander reaches them, Vaylin uses the Force to [[NeckSnap snap their neck]].]] [[PlayerPunch Ouch.]]



* If you chose to side with the Empire during the Iokath storyline as a Trooper romancing Elara Dorne,[[spoiler:[[WhatTheHellHero she will call you out on your decision]] and break up with you. If you made too many Dark-Sided choices in the past, she will do the same thing.]]
--> '''Elara Dorne:''' [[spoiler:You've made your choice. I spent so many years searching for you, trying to bring you back...And now...after all of this time.....''I wish you'd stayed dead.'']]
** [[spoiler: Siding with the empire as a Trooper in general is heartbreaking if you think about it, you spend the entirety of act 1 hunting the old havoc squad, fought countless battles against the empire, only to throw that all away and join the empire, making Elara hate your guts and General Garza gunning for you in the Nathema flashpoint, what makes you any different from Harron Tavus now?]]

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* If you chose to side with the Empire during the Iokath storyline as a Trooper romancing Elara Dorne,[[spoiler:[[WhatTheHellHero Dorne, [[WhatTheHellHero she will call you out on your decision]] and break up with you. If you made too many Dark-Sided choices in the past, she will do the same thing.]]
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--> '''Elara Dorne:''' [[spoiler:You've You've made your choice. I spent so many years searching for you, trying to bring you back...And now...after all of this time.....''I wish you'd stayed dead.'']]
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** [[spoiler: Siding with the empire as a Trooper in general is heartbreaking if you think about it, you spend the entirety of act 1 hunting the old havoc squad, fought countless battles against the empire, only to throw that all away and join the empire, making Elara hate your guts and General Garza gunning for you in the Nathema flashpoint, what makes you any different from Harron Tavus now?]]now?



* Theron's reaction to [[spoiler: Jace Malcom's death.]]
* Whatever one might think of Quinn, [[spoiler:his death can be heartbreaking.]] He was devoted to finding the Wrath and even spent time in imperial prison when he refused to stop the search. It is even more tragic if he was romanced.

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* Theron's reaction to [[spoiler: Jace Malcom's death.]]
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* Whatever one might think of Quinn, [[spoiler:his his death can be heartbreaking.]] heartbreaking. He was devoted to finding the Wrath and even spent time in imperial prison when he refused to stop the search. It is even more tragic if he was romanced.



* Theron's quiet despair if you were on good terms with him [[spoiler:when he defects in "Crisis on Umbara"]]. It gets a revisit in "A Traitor Among The Chiss", when [[spoiler:as Valss jumps from the shuttle to hold back the Outlander, Theron tells him "You can't win!" Valss knows this, but engages anyway. Consider that Valss is already willing to die for Theron, it's likely they're friendly, so Theron knows that one of his friends is about to kill another.]]
** The entire thing is even worse [[spoiler:if you ''romanced'' him. He makes it very clear that he does love you, but he just can't side with you anymore; now in "Traitor Among the Chiss", he has to watch his friend and his lover try to kill each other.]]
** After [[spoiler:the revelation in "The Nathema Conspiracy", it becomes even worse. Theron was undercover the whole time, which adds a whole new layer to why he tries to stop Valss. Valss is willing to die believing in Theron, but Theron ''was never on his side at all''. Worse, his death actually helps the cause he ''hated''. So not only did Theron watch one friend sacrifice himself against another/his lover, he did so knowing he'd betrayed that friend on multiple levels.]]

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* Theron's quiet despair if you were on good terms with him [[spoiler:when when he defects in "Crisis on Umbara"]]. Umbara". It gets a revisit in "A Traitor Among The Chiss", when [[spoiler:as as Valss jumps from the shuttle to hold back the Outlander, Theron tells him "You can't win!" Valss knows this, but engages anyway. Consider that Valss is already willing to die for Theron, it's likely they're friendly, so Theron knows that one of his friends is about to kill another.]]
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** The entire thing is even worse [[spoiler:if if you ''romanced'' him. He makes it very clear that he does love you, but he just can't side with you anymore; now in "Traitor Among the Chiss", he has to watch his friend and his lover try to kill each other.]]
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** After [[spoiler:the the revelation in "The Nathema Conspiracy", it becomes even worse. Theron was undercover the whole time, which adds a whole new layer to why he tries to stop Valss. Valss is willing to die believing in Theron, but Theron ''was never on his side at all''. Worse, his death actually helps the cause he ''hated''. So not only did Theron watch one friend sacrifice himself against another/his lover, he did so knowing he'd betrayed that friend on multiple levels.]]



** For a Jedi Knight who turned to the Dark Side, it's [[spoiler:Bela Kiwiiks, Kira's old mentor]].
** A Dark Sided Consular has to face [[spoiler: Gaden-Ko, the young Voss Mystic who you helped on his initiation quest and journeyed on your ship through the Corellia arc]]. He expresses a great deal of dismay over what the Consular has become and feels this is the only way to protect others from you.
** For an Imperial Agent who became a Republic double agent, it's [[spoiler:Shara Jenn (Watcher Two/Keeper)]].
** For a Sith Inquisitor, it's [[spoiler:whichever of Zash and Khem Val you chose to turn against at the end of their story]].
** For the Trooper it's [[spoiler:General Garza if you sided with the empire on Iokath]]
** For a Smuggler that [[spoiler:turned the underworld into his/her own private fleet and failed to help the Republic]], it's [[spoiler:Risha's old friend and your old ally, the friendly and irreverent Jedi Master Sumalee]].
* At the end of "The Nathema Conspiracy," you can [[spoiler:choose to leave Theron to die when he's critically injured. Well, you can if you can stand to hear what a voice actor of TroyBaker's caliber is capable of doing in a situation like that and not back out to take the other option.]]
** Alternatively, when you return to base, you can [[spoiler:refuse to take him back. He's clearly hurt by it, but without a word of complaint goes and gets his things and leaves. The tear jerker comes when you ''don't'' throw him out--if you let him stay, he says, "''I didn't know what I was going to do if you said no.''" So if you do refuse him, you set him adrift in the galaxy with a bag of possessions and maybe one person in the galaxy who might take him in.]]
** For [[SarcasmMode extra fun]], [[spoiler:do any of this after you've romanced him. Or try to, that is. TroyBaker really earns his paycheck.]]
** And if you can make it through leaving [[spoiler:Theron]] to die, afterwards you're treated to one last gutpunch in the form of a letter from [[spoiler:Satele]] informing you that she sensed [[spoiler:her son]]'s death through the Force - DyingAlone, "reaching out to a friend who wasn't there." [[spoiler:After acknowledging Theron's mistakes and saying that she intends to see him honored as a hero regardless, she closes by saying that Theron was a good man and she's always been proud of him... and that she wishes she had told him that]].

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** For a Jedi Knight who turned to the Dark Side, it's [[spoiler:Bela Bela Kiwiiks, Kira's old mentor]].
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** A Dark Sided Consular has to face [[spoiler: Gaden-Ko, the young Voss Mystic who you helped on his initiation quest and journeyed on your ship through the Corellia arc]].arc. He expresses a great deal of dismay over what the Consular has become and feels this is the only way to protect others from you.
** For an Imperial Agent who became a Republic double agent, it's [[spoiler:Shara Shara Jenn (Watcher Two/Keeper)]].
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** For a Sith Inquisitor, it's [[spoiler:whichever whichever of Zash and Khem Val you chose to turn against at the end of their story]].
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** For the Trooper it's [[spoiler:General General Garza if you sided with the empire on Iokath]]
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** For a Smuggler that [[spoiler:turned turned the underworld into his/her own private fleet and failed to help the Republic]], Republic, it's [[spoiler:Risha's Risha's old friend and your old ally, the friendly and irreverent Jedi Master Sumalee]].
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* At the end of "The Nathema Conspiracy," you can [[spoiler:choose choose to leave Theron to die when he's critically injured. Well, you can if you can stand to hear what a voice actor of TroyBaker's caliber is capable of doing in a situation like that and not back out to take the other option.]]
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** Alternatively, when you return to base, you can [[spoiler:refuse refuse to take him back. He's clearly hurt by it, but without a word of complaint goes and gets his things and leaves. The tear jerker comes when you ''don't'' throw him out--if you let him stay, he says, "''I didn't know what I was going to do if you said no.''" So if you do refuse him, you set him adrift in the galaxy with a bag of possessions and maybe one person in the galaxy who might take him in.]]
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** For [[SarcasmMode extra fun]], [[spoiler:do do any of this after you've romanced him. Or try to, that is. TroyBaker really earns his paycheck.]]
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** And if you can make it through leaving [[spoiler:Theron]] Theron to die, afterwards you're treated to one last gutpunch in the form of a letter from [[spoiler:Satele]] Satele informing you that she sensed [[spoiler:her son]]'s her son's death through the Force - DyingAlone, "reaching out to a friend who wasn't there." [[spoiler:After After acknowledging Theron's mistakes and saying that she intends to see him honored as a hero regardless, she closes by saying that Theron was a good man and she's always been proud of him... and that she wishes she had told him that]].that.
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* At the end of Crisis on Nathema, you can [[spoiler:choose to leave Theron to die when he's critically injured. Well, you can if you can stand to hear what a voice actor of TroyBaker's caliber is capable of doing in a situation like that and not back out to take the other option.]]

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* At the end of Crisis on Nathema, "The Nathema Conspiracy," you can [[spoiler:choose to leave Theron to die when he's critically injured. Well, you can if you can stand to hear what a voice actor of TroyBaker's caliber is capable of doing in a situation like that and not back out to take the other option.]]
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** And if you can make it through leaving [[spoiler:Theron]] to die, afterwards you're treated to one last gutpunch in the form of a letter from [[spoiler:Satele]] informing you that she sensed [[spoiler:her son]]'s death through the Force - DyingAlone, "reaching for a friend who wasn't there." [[spoiler:After acknowledging Theron's mistakes and saying that she intends to see him honored regardless, she closes by saying that she's always been proud of him... and that she wishes she had told him that]].

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** And if you can make it through leaving [[spoiler:Theron]] to die, afterwards you're treated to one last gutpunch in the form of a letter from [[spoiler:Satele]] informing you that she sensed [[spoiler:her son]]'s death through the Force - DyingAlone, "reaching for out to a friend who wasn't there." [[spoiler:After acknowledging Theron's mistakes and saying that she intends to see him honored as a hero regardless, she closes by saying that Theron was a good man and she's always been proud of him... and that she wishes she had told him that]].
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** And if you can make it through leaving [[spoiler:Theron]] to die, afterwards you're treated to one last gutpunch in the form of a letter from [[spoiler:Satele]] informing the you that she sensed [[spoiler:her son]]'s death through the Force - DyingAlone, "reaching for a friend who wasn't there." [[spoiler:After acknowledging Theron's mistakes and saying that she intends to see him honored regardless, she closes by saying that she's always been proud of him... and that she wishes she had told him that]].

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** And if you can make it through leaving [[spoiler:Theron]] to die, afterwards you're treated to one last gutpunch in the form of a letter from [[spoiler:Satele]] informing the you that she sensed [[spoiler:her son]]'s death through the Force - DyingAlone, "reaching for a friend who wasn't there." [[spoiler:After acknowledging Theron's mistakes and saying that she intends to see him honored regardless, she closes by saying that she's always been proud of him... and that she wishes she had told him that]].
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** Meanwhile, for Bounty Hunters who married Mako... your apparent death finally managed to BreakTheCutie. Citing Bradon, Crysta, and now you, she asserts that all the bounty hunter business has done is take away the people she cares about. Combine that with her "[[IWarnedYou I told you so]]" comment and the whole thing screams NeverBeHurtAgain.

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*** The subject of Torian's letter is another Mandalorian phrase, this one used to refer to fallen friends - the literal translation is "not gone, just marching far away." Akaavi, after running through the litany of all the things she wishes she'd said to the Smuggler before they parted, closes her letter with another which (after snarking a little at the Smuggler for their failure to learn ''Mando'a'') she translates herself: "I am alive, but you are dead. I remember you, so you are eternal."
** Meanwhile, for Bounty Hunters who married Mako... your apparent death finally managed to BreakTheCutie. Citing Bradon, Braden, Crysta, and now you, she asserts that all the bounty hunter business has done is take away the people she cares about. Combine that with her "[[IWarnedYou I told you so]]" comment and the whole thing screams NeverBeHurtAgain.
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* When you go up against the Jedi Master at the end of Act One, but take the light side option [[spoiler: and spare his Padawan after telling her to alert the rest of the ship of your plan to destroy it so the crew can evacuate]], she sends you a letter saying that she feels sorry for you. Even after what happened, she figures that you're probably not evil, but ''very'' misguided. If you're playing a Light-sided Bounty Hunter, it's difficult not to conclude that she's probably right. [[spoiler: Worse, is that she comes after you on Quesh. You don't get a chance to spare her that time, even if you might just [[LeaveYourQuestTest want to]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone at that point]].]]

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* When you go up against the Jedi Master at the end of Act One, but take the light side option [[spoiler: and spare his Padawan after telling her to alert the rest of the ship of your plan to destroy it so the crew can evacuate]], she sends you a letter saying that she feels sorry for you. Even after what happened, she figures that you're probably not evil, but ''very'' misguided. If you're playing a Light-sided Bounty Hunter, it's difficult not to conclude that she's probably right. [[spoiler: Worse, is that she comes after you on Quesh. You don't get a chance to spare her that time, even if you might just [[LeaveYourQuestTest want to]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone at that point]].]]]] It does make the eventual death of [[spoiler: Jun Seros]] very satisfying. He basically sent a child after the Bounty Hunter, a child that had already proven to be incapable of beating them.
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* On board of the Foundry, after you've destroyed HK47, [[spoiler: Revan]] comments: "That droid waited loyally for me for 300 years. I can rebuild him, but it won't be the same." Considering HK47's attitude toward ''meatbags'', it really brings home how much the original crew of the Ebon Hawk meant to each other, and how it has all been lost.
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--> I’m sending you this because I’m not ready to talk about my daughter’s death in person. Sometimes it’s easier this way. Speaking the words makes it more real. More painful.\\


--> I know Vaylin was damaged. I blame Valkorion for that. I blame myself. I know she left you no other option, and I don’t blame you for her death. But she had to be stopped. We did the right thing. But she was still my daughter, and it still hurts.\\


--> Sometimes, I remember her as a little girl. She was everything to me back then. But I lost her. And no matter how hard I tried, I never got her back. Yet some part of me still hoped for a miracle. Some part of me hoped she would come back to me as the daughter I once knew.\\


--> Now that she’s truly gone, I know that will never happen. It’s a terrible thing for a mother to face, but I’ve accepted it. I don’t have any choice. We still have work to do. I promise you I will be ready.\\

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I know Vaylin was damaged. I blame Valkorion for that. I blame myself. I know she left you no other option, and I don’t blame you for her death. But she had to be stopped. We did the right thing. But she was still my daughter, and it still hurts.\\


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Sometimes, I remember her as a little girl. She was everything to me back then. But I lost her. And no matter how hard I tried, I never got her back. Yet some part of me still hoped for a miracle. Some part of me hoped she would come back to me as the daughter I once knew.\\


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Now that she’s truly gone, I know that will never happen. It’s a terrible thing for a mother to face, but I’ve accepted it. I don’t have any choice. We still have work to do. I promise you I will be ready.\\
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* Despite what you might think of Quinn, [[spoiler:his death can be heartbreaking.]] He was devoted to finding the Wrath and even spent time in imperial prison when he refused to stop the search. It is even more tragic if he was romanced.

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** The entire thing is even worse [[spoiler:if you ''romanced'' him. He makes it very clear that he does love you, but he just can't side with you anymore; now in "Traitor Among the Chiss", he has to watch his friend and lover try to kill each other.]]

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** The entire thing is even worse [[spoiler:if you ''romanced'' him. He makes it very clear that he does love you, but he just can't side with you anymore; now in "Traitor Among the Chiss", he has to watch his friend and his lover try to kill each other.]]



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* On Dromund Kaas, Valkorian will casually dismiss the Sith Empire as a failed experiment. A Sith Outlander can call him out on this, with one line in particular letting on just how hurtful his disregard can be, even after everything that's already happened between them.
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* The pure ''anguish'' in Light!Jaesa's confession to the Sith Warrior at the end of the Jedi Under Siege expansion. She pours her heart out to the warrior, talking about how she lost her center when they vanished, and how she had to turn off her power all this time or else she'd run off to find them. Gains an extra punch if playing as a female Sith Warrior in a [[MassEffect M!Shep/Kaiden sort of way]] because she's been holding onto these feelings for god knows how long, and has to spend ''years'' cut off from her power thinking that the Sith Warrior was the one that got away.
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* A Consular Outlander gets the opportunity to find Felix Iresso. The man himself is alive and reasonably sane, which is quite the surprise considering what he had been through. [[spoiler: He pursued a lead to find the Consular, only to fall into a trap set up by the Knights of Zakuul, Upon finding out about the holocron in his head, they turned him over to be tortured by a MadScientist; the same lunatic who twisted Vaylin into being completely insane. He learns that, while captured, the Republic [[spoiler: wrote him off as MIA and washed their hands of him.]] Needless to say, he's got a very big case of BrokenPedestal and is a changed and broken man [[spoiler: Doubly so if the Counselor turns him away.]]

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* A Consular Outlander gets the opportunity to find Felix Iresso. The man himself is alive and reasonably sane, which is quite the surprise considering what he had been through. [[spoiler: He pursued a lead to find the Consular, only to fall into a trap set up by the Knights of Zakuul, Upon finding out about the holocron in his head, they turned him over to be tortured by a MadScientist; the same lunatic who twisted Vaylin into being completely insane. ]] He learns that, while captured, the Republic [[spoiler: wrote him off as MIA and washed their hands of him.]] Needless to say, he's got a very big case of BrokenPedestal and is a changed and broken man [[spoiler: Doubly so if the Counselor turns him away.]]
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* A Consular Outlander gets the opportunity to find Felix Iresso. The man himself is alive and reasonably sane, which is quite the surprise considering what he had been through. [[spoiler: He pursued a lead to find the Consular, only to fall into a trap set up by the Knights of Zakuul, Upon finding out about the holocron in his head, they turned him over to be tortured by a MadScientist. [[note]] The same lunatic who twisted Vaylin into being completely insane [[/note]] He learns that, while captured, the Republic wrote him off as MIA and washed their hands of him.]] Needless to say, he's got a very big case of BrokenPedestal and is a changed and broken man [[spoiler: Doubly so if the Counselor turns him away.]]

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* A Consular Outlander gets the opportunity to find Felix Iresso. The man himself is alive and reasonably sane, which is quite the surprise considering what he had been through. [[spoiler: He pursued a lead to find the Consular, only to fall into a trap set up by the Knights of Zakuul, Upon finding out about the holocron in his head, they turned him over to be tortured by a MadScientist. [[note]] The MadScientist; the same lunatic who twisted Vaylin into being completely insane [[/note]] insane. He learns that, while captured, the Republic [[spoiler: wrote him off as MIA and washed their hands of him.]] Needless to say, he's got a very big case of BrokenPedestal and is a changed and broken man [[spoiler: Doubly so if the Counselor turns him away.]]
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* If you are set on killing Arcann over on Voss, Senya will [[MamaBear try and fail to stop you in a valiant effort]] to prevent you from killing her only surviving son. Twisting the dagger even more is that her LastRequest is to speak with Valkorian one last time. He obliges, appearing to her in shost form, and the two sing a sad duet of a Zakuul folk song as she dies. Even more of a tear jerker is that Valky was all for killing Arcann and had no real issue with his ex wife being collateral damage. Senya loses everything to a monster who may never have given a womp rat's ass about her.

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* If you are set on killing Arcann over on Voss, Senya will [[MamaBear try and fail to stop you in a valiant effort]] to prevent you from killing her only surviving son. Twisting the dagger even more is that her LastRequest is to speak with Valkorian one last time. He obliges, appearing to her in shost ghost form, and the two sing a sad duet of a Zakuul folk song as she dies. Even more of a tear jerker is that Valky was all for killing Arcann and had no real issue with his ex wife being collateral damage. Senya loses everything to a monster who may never have given a womp rat's ass about her.

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** And to drive the nail''even goddamn further,'' the theme playing in the background isn't anything sounding Jedi-like, but instead sounding much closer to a Sith.

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** And to drive the nail''even goddamn further,'' the theme playing in the background isn't anything sounding Jedi-like, but instead sounding much closer to a Sith. It's a stripped down DarkReprise of the character creation screen from the first game.



* A Consular Outlander gets the opportunity to find Felix Iresso. The man himself is alive and reasonably sane, which is quite the surprise considering what he had been through. [[spoiler: He pursued a lead to find the Consular, only to fall into a trap set up by the Knights of Zakuul, Upon finding out about the holocron in his head, they turned him over to be tortured by a MadScientist. He learns that, while captured, the Republic wrote him off as MIA and washed their hands of him.]] Needless to say, he's got a very big case of BrokenPedestal and is a changed and broken man [[spoiler: Doubly so if the Counselor turns him away.]]

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* A Consular Outlander gets the opportunity to find Felix Iresso. The man himself is alive and reasonably sane, which is quite the surprise considering what he had been through. [[spoiler: He pursued a lead to find the Consular, only to fall into a trap set up by the Knights of Zakuul, Upon finding out about the holocron in his head, they turned him over to be tortured by a MadScientist. [[note]] The same lunatic who twisted Vaylin into being completely insane [[/note]] He learns that, while captured, the Republic wrote him off as MIA and washed their hands of him.]] Needless to say, he's got a very big case of BrokenPedestal and is a changed and broken man [[spoiler: Doubly so if the Counselor turns him away.]]



*** Consulars had it rough for some time. Until the end of the Eternal Empire storyline, they could only meet Qyzen again. They are able to reunite with Felix and Nadia after that, but so far no word on Tharan and Zenith.

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*** Consulars had it rough for some time. Until the end of the Eternal Empire storyline, they could only meet Qyzen again. At least he was doing quite well for himself. They are able to reunite with Felix and Nadia after that, that (and what happened to Felix is a cross of TearJerker and NightmareFuel), but so far no word on Tharan Tharan, Holiday, and Zenith.



** There's something about Theron's letter if you flirted with him throughout Shadows of Revan. Perhaps it's becuase they had just the beginnings of a relationship, but it still managed to be something that he sends a letter to them just on the off chance they'd survived and that Lana could successfully rescue them.

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** There's something about Theron's letter if you flirted with him throughout Shadows of Revan. Perhaps it's becuase because they had just the beginnings of a relationship, but it still managed to be something that he sends a letter to them just on the off chance they'd survived and that Lana could successfully rescue them.


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* If you are set on killing Arcann over on Voss, Senya will [[MamaBear try and fail to stop you in a valiant effort]] to prevent you from killing her only surviving son. Twisting the dagger even more is that her LastRequest is to speak with Valkorian one last time. He obliges, appearing to her in shost form, and the two sing a sad duet of a Zakuul folk song as she dies. Even more of a tear jerker is that Valky was all for killing Arcann and had no real issue with his ex wife being collateral damage. Senya loses everything to a monster who may never have given a womp rat's ass about her.
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* * In a way, the decision on who to side with on Iokath is one. For the last two story arcs, the Outlander has been TakeAThirdOption incarnate, gathering the best from the Republic and the Empire under the Alliance banner. For the last '''''FIVE''''' story arcs (Hutt Cartel, Dread Masters, Shadow of Revan, Fallen Empire, Eternal Throne), all of the antagonists are threatening both factions and it took both of them going EnemyMine in order to stop the bigger threat. Now, both of them are bloodied and damaged to the point of self-destruction and they ''still'' insist on trying to kill one another with no way for the Outlander to argue for a cease fire or diplomatic option. A Republic-origin character who was friendly to Acina is going to have an even harder decision, as you're betraying a friend either way.

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* * In a way, the decision on who to side with on Iokath is one. For the last two story arcs, the Outlander has been TakeAThirdOption incarnate, gathering the best from the Republic and the Empire under the Alliance banner. For the last '''''FIVE''''' story arcs (Hutt Cartel, Dread Masters, Shadow of Revan, Fallen Empire, Eternal Throne), all of the antagonists are were threatening both factions and it took both of them going EnemyMine in order to stop the bigger threat. Now, both of them Republic and Empire are bloodied and damaged to the point of self-destruction and they ''still'' insist on trying to kill one another with no way for the Outlander to argue for a cease fire or diplomatic option.option. Worse, with Zakuul no longer a threat, the Alliance is splintering apart . A Republic-origin character who was friendly to Acina is going to have an even harder decision, as you're betraying a friend either way.
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* * In a way, the decision on who to side with on Iokath is one. For the last two story arcs, the Outlander has been TakeAThirdOption incarnate, gathering the best from the Republic and the Empire under the Alliance banner. For the last '''''FIVE''''' story arcs (Hutt Cartel, Dread Masters, Shadow of Revan, Fallen Empire, Eternal Throne), all of the antagonists are threatening both factions and it took both of them going EnemyMine in order to stop the bigger threat. Now, both of them are bloodied and damaged to the point of self-destruction and they ''still'' insist on trying to kill one another with no way for the Outlander to argue for a cease fire or diplomatic option. A Republic-origin character who was friendly to Acina is going to have an even harder decision, as you're betraying a friend either way.


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