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* A meta example: Creator/LucasArts rushed the game for Christmas, causing Obsidian to leave out a lot of content. But when Obsidian offered to restore it all with a patch, ''[[KickTheDog LucasArts refused to allow them to make it!]]'' The lost content includes cut dialog, the SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome that is the HK factory, a HUGE amount of the final mission, and interactions between Exile and his/her teammates. That [=LucasArts=] could so callously kick Obsidian like this...
** Fortunately, there is a happy ending to this. Pretty much all of cut content (including the entire HK factory and the entire intended ending) can be restored using the Restored Content mod (which Steam owners can easily download from the game's workshop).
** Fortunately, there is a happy ending to this. Pretty much all of cut content (including the entire HK factory and the entire intended ending) can be restored using the Restored Content mod (which Steam owners can easily download from the game's workshop).
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** Fortunately, there is a happy ending to this. Pretty much all of cut content (including the entire HK factory and the entire intended ending) can be restored using the Restored Content mod (which Steam owners can easily download from the game's workshop).
* Director Creator/ChrisAvellone stating he never got to meet Kreia's voice actress, Sara Kestelman, during the game's production.
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*Visas [[spoiler: meditating on the destruction of Katarr.]] [[spoiler: On a Dark Side playthrough, she draws power from [[ThePowerofHate the hatred and suffering she feels.]]]] On a Light side playthrough, [[spoiler: She makes peace with the destruction of her home and decides to kill Nihilus, not out of hatred, but to protect other worlds from his hunger.]]
**And on both you hear whispers of the event. [[spoiler:The DS version is the screams of those who died. The LS version is voices comforting her, saying its okay and she's forgiven. Ouch.]]
**And on both you hear whispers of the event. [[spoiler:The DS version is the screams of those who died. The LS version is voices comforting her, saying its okay and she's forgiven. Ouch.]]
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->'''Handmaiden:''' Then tell me of its absence.
->'''Kreia:''' It is standing atop of the summit of a great mountain, the winds tearing about you, and finding yourself buried alive - trapped, helpless and alone. It is knowing what you want to say and never finding the words. It is a chorus, replaced with silence. Hearing teachings without meaning. It is like having the energy of youth, and feeling the cloak of the years fall upon you, and knowing you are weak, fragile and a thing easily discarded. It is like having a beloved pupil to whom you have shared everything, sacrificed everything, and then having them turn from you... and forget all you were.
->'''Kreia:''' It is standing atop of the summit of a great mountain, the winds tearing about you, and finding yourself buried alive - trapped, helpless and alone. It is knowing what you want to say and never finding the words. It is a chorus, replaced with silence. Hearing teachings without meaning. It is like having the energy of youth, and feeling the cloak of the years fall upon you, and knowing you are weak, fragile and a thing easily discarded. It is like having a beloved pupil to whom you have shared everything, sacrificed everything, and then having them turn from you... and forget all you were.
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'''Kreia:''' It is standing atop of the summit of a great mountain, the winds tearing about you, and finding yourself buried alive - trapped, helpless and alone. It is knowing what you want to say and never finding the words. It is a chorus, replaced with silence. Hearing teachings without meaning. It is like having the energy of youth, and feeling the cloak of the years fall upon you, and knowing you are weak, fragile and a thing easily discarded. It is like having a beloved pupil to whom you have shared everything, sacrificed everything, and then having them turn from you... and forget all you were.
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->'''Handmaiden:''' If you cannot tell me of the Force; then tell me of its absence.
->'''Kreia:''' It is knowing what you want to say and never finding the words. It is a chorus, replaced with silence. Hearing teachings without meaning. It is like having a beloved pupil to whom you have shared everything, sacrificed everything, and then having them turn from you... and forget all you were.
->'''Kreia:''' It is knowing what you want to say and never finding the words. It is a chorus, replaced with silence. Hearing teachings without meaning. It is like having a beloved pupil to whom you have shared everything, sacrificed everything, and then having them turn from you... and forget all you were.
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* This exchange after the Handmaiden asks the Exile about how feels to be a Force sensitive. If the Exile answers they can only describe his absence, Kreia will describe it.
->'''Handmaiden:''' Then tell me of its absence.
->'''Kreia:''' It is standing atop of the summit of a great mountain, the winds tearing about you, and finding yourself buried alive - trapped, helpless and alone. It is knowing what you want to say and never finding the words. It is a chorus, replaced with silence. Hearing teachings without meaning. It is like having the energy of youth, and feeling the cloak of the years fall upon you, and knowing you are weak, fragile and a thing easily discarded. It is like having a beloved pupil to whom you have shared everything, sacrificed everything, and then having them turn from you... and forget all you were.
->'''Handmaiden:''' Then tell me of its absence.
->'''Kreia:''' It is standing atop of the summit of a great mountain, the winds tearing about you, and finding yourself buried alive - trapped, helpless and alone. It is knowing what you want to say and never finding the words. It is a chorus, replaced with silence. Hearing teachings without meaning. It is like having the energy of youth, and feeling the cloak of the years fall upon you, and knowing you are weak, fragile and a thing easily discarded. It is like having a beloved pupil to whom you have shared everything, sacrificed everything, and then having them turn from you... and forget all you were.
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* Darth Sion's words after [[spoiler:the Exile has convinced him of letting go of the Force and of his pain, particularly so if the Exile is a female and Sion admits to love her, in his own twisted way. When you consider his entire life has been nothing but suffering, hatred and pain, his last words carry a lot of feeling:]]
--> '''Sion:''' I am glad to leave this place... at last.
--> '''Sion:''' I am glad to leave this place... at last.
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* Malachor, the final world of ''{{Knights of the Old Republic}} II'', is incredibly emotionally affecting - it feels like the last echo of the World.
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* Malachor, the final world of ''{{Knights of the Old Republic}} II'', world, is incredibly emotionally affecting - it feels like the last echo of the World.
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* A meta example: Creator/LucasArts rushed the game for Christmas, causing Obsidian to leave out a lot of content. But when Obsidian offered to restore it all with a patch, ''[[KickTheDog LucasArts refused to allow them to make it!]]'' The lost content includes cut dialog, the CrowningMomentOfAwesome that is the HK factory, a HUGE amount of the final mission, and interactions between Exile and his/her teammates. That [=LucasArts=] could so callously kick Obsidian like this...
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* A meta example: Creator/LucasArts rushed the game for Christmas, causing Obsidian to leave out a lot of content. But when Obsidian offered to restore it all with a patch, ''[[KickTheDog LucasArts refused to allow them to make it!]]'' The lost content includes cut dialog, the CrowningMomentOfAwesome SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome that is the HK factory, a HUGE amount of the final mission, and interactions between Exile and his/her teammates. That [=LucasArts=] could so callously kick Obsidian like this...
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** Fortunately, there is a happy ending to this. Pretty much all of cut content (including the entire HK factory and the entire intended ending) can be restored using the Restored Content mod (which Steam owners can easily download from the game's workshop).
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*** And the worst part? [[spoiler: Revan never came back. [[VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic]] reveals that s/he gets captured by the Sith Emperor and imprisoned for ''300 years.'' Carth spent the rest of his life waiting for the woman he loved to return to him, not knowing her horrific fate, and died without ever seeing her again.]]
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*** And the worst part? [[spoiler: Revan never came back. [[VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic]] [[VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic Star Wars: The Old Republic]] reveals that s/he gets captured by the Sith Emperor and imprisoned for ''300 years.'' Carth spent the rest of his life waiting for the woman he loved to return to him, not knowing her horrific fate, and died without ever seeing her again.]]
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*** And the worst part? [[spoiler: Revan never came back. New installments to the KOTOR-verse reveal that s/he gets captured by the Sith Emperor and imprisoned for ''300 years.'' Carth spent the rest of his life waiting for the woman he loved to return to him, not knowing her horrific fate, and died without ever seeing her again.]]
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*** And the worst part? [[spoiler: Revan never came back. New installments to the KOTOR-verse reveal [[VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic]] reveals that s/he gets captured by the Sith Emperor and imprisoned for ''300 years.'' Carth spent the rest of his life waiting for the woman he loved to return to him, not knowing her horrific fate, and died without ever seeing her again.]]]]
** If Revan was male, the game also assumes that you followed Bastila's romance. If set to Dark Side, you can come across a Sith holocron that Bastila made on Korriban, where she decided to leave the Sith movement to find her lover, however long it takes. If set to Light Side she will talk to Carth after the Exile leaves Telos, acknowledging that Revan left her behind for her protection, but still missing him and wondering why he did so.
** If Revan was male, the game also assumes that you followed Bastila's romance. If set to Dark Side, you can come across a Sith holocron that Bastila made on Korriban, where she decided to leave the Sith movement to find her lover, however long it takes. If set to Light Side she will talk to Carth after the Exile leaves Telos, acknowledging that Revan left her behind for her protection, but still missing him and wondering why he did so.
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*** If you have the Restored Content mod installed, try to reach this moment as a female Exile. [[spoiler: Atton will tell the Exile in his dying moments that he's been in love with her since they met on Peragus. It's the ''only'' time in the game that he ever admits his feelings for her.]]
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* Handmaiden has suffered from years of emotional as well as physical abuse at the hands of her sisters. Openly calling her weak and berating her, both in sparring sessions and outside. When Atris realizes that she has begun training as a Jedi and tells her sisters she is a traitor almost all of them immeadiatly believe it. Being completely hostile to her when she returns and attacking her.
** In the Restored Content mod this comes to head where [[spoiler:she has the option to kill them during the confrontation instead of just incapacitating them. Whether this is in self defense or revenge is up to interpretation.]]
** In the Restored Content mod this comes to head where [[spoiler:she has the option to kill them during the confrontation instead of just incapacitating them. Whether this is in self defense or revenge is up to interpretation.]]
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* A meta example: LucasArts Creator/LucasArts rushed the game for Christmas, causing Obsidian to leave out a lot of content. But when Obsidian offered to restore it all with a patch, ''[[KickTheDog LucasArts refused to allow them to make it!]]'' The lost content includes cut dialog, the CrowningMomentOfAwesome that is the HK factory, a HUGE amount of the final mission, and interactions between Exile and his/her teammates. That LucasArts [=LucasArts=] could so callously kick Obsidian like this...
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** The meeting with Carth if Revan was played as female is rough to watch. He tells the Exile that he's been waiting for her to come back for ''four years'', and that the reason she left him behind was because she couldn't bring 'those she loved' to wherever she was going. Carth's heartache, loneliness and resolve in his final line is palpable.
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->'''Brianna:''' If you cannot tell me of the Force; then tell me of its absence.
->'''Kreia:''' It is knowing what you want to say and never finding the words. It is a chorus, replaced with silence. Hearing teachings without meaning. It is like having a beloved pupil to whom you have shared everything, sacrificed everything, and then having them turn from you... and forget all you were.
->'''Kreia:''' It is knowing what you want to say and never finding the words. It is a chorus, replaced with silence. Hearing teachings without meaning. It is like having a beloved pupil to whom you have shared everything, sacrificed everything, and then having them turn from you... and forget all you were.
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--> '''Moza''': Forgive me, Chodo, but the human - I could feel his/her suffering. I did not feel it until he stood before us, but then it filled my senses. Have you ever felt such an intensity before.\\
'''Chodo Habat:''' Only once. The day I came to Telos and strode upon its ashen surface.\\
'''Chodo Habat:''' Only once. The day I came to Telos and strode upon its ashen surface.\\
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--> '''Moza''': Forgive me, Chodo, but the human - I could feel his/her suffering. I did not feel it until he he/she stood before us, but then it filled my senses. Have you ever felt such an intensity before.\\
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'''Chodo Habat:''' It is because he he/she has no choice.
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--> '''Mira''' (almost sobbing) I don't want to keep running, and looking, and never feel like I'm finding what I'm looking for. I'm tired of being hunted!
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--> '''Mira''' (almost sobbing) I don't want to keep running, and looking, and never feel like I'm finding what I'm looking for. I'm tired of being hunted!
--> '''Mira''' (almost sobbing) I don't want to keep running, and looking, and never feel like I'm finding what I'm looking for. I'm tired of being hunted!
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* If Revan is set to have been light side, then there is a brief conversation with Carth Onasi after the Battle of Telos. If Revan was male, he will tell you that, if you happen to find Revan, "simply tell him Admiral Onasi is following orders." And then there's if Revan was set to female. The game assumes you followed the love story. What you're told this time? "Tell her Carth Onasi is waiting for her."
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* A meta example: LucasArts rushed the game for Christmas, causing Obsidian to leave out a lot of content. But when Obsidian offered to restore it all with a patch, ''[[KickTheDog LucasArts refused to allow them to make it!]]'' The lost content includes cut dialog, the CrowningMomentOfAwesome that is the HK factory, a HUGE amount of the final mission, and interactions between Exile and his/her teammates. That LucasArts could so callously kick Obsidian like this makes me feel really down...this...
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** Consider that Telos was ''completely annihilated'' by the Sith during the original game, all life being extinguished and the surface becoming a barren wasteland. The Exile is suffering ''just as much pain''. Even if the Exile is a Dark Sider, he/she has been through ''[[UnderStatement a lot]]'' (like [[spoiler: having to cut his/her Force connection because he/she felt ''the deaths of everyone'' in Malachor V and then being unjustly exiled by the Jedi Order]]). [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation It does put a different light on their descent to darkness]].
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** Consider that Telos was ''completely annihilated'' by the Sith during the original game, all life being extinguished and the surface becoming a barren wasteland. The Exile is suffering ''just as much pain''. Even if If the Exile is a Dark Sider, he/she has been through ''[[UnderStatement a lot]]'' ''so much'' (like [[spoiler: having to cut his/her Force connection because he/she felt ''the deaths of everyone'' in Malachor V and then being unjustly exiled by the Jedi Order]]). Order]]) that it's hard not to see [[BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil their descent to darkness]] [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation It does put with a different light on their descent to darkness]].whole new light]].
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* The entire story of [[TheWoobie the Jedi Exile]], especially if you play the canonical Light Side path for them.
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* The entire story of [[TheWoobie the Jedi Exile]], especially if you play the canonical Light Side path for them. Best summed up by the Ithorians on Telos:
--> '''Moza''': Forgive me, Chodo, but the human - I could feel his/her suffering. I did not feel it until he stood before us, but then it filled my senses. Have you ever felt such an intensity before.\\
'''Chodo Habat:''' Only once. The day I came to Telos and strode upon its ashen surface.\\
'''Moza:''' It's a planet's worth of pain. I don't know how he/she endures.\\
'''Chodo Habat:''' It is because he has no choice.
** Consider that Telos was ''completely annihilated'' by the Sith during the original game, all life being extinguished and the surface becoming a barren wasteland. The Exile is suffering ''just as much pain''. Even if the Exile is a Dark Sider, he/she has been through ''[[UnderStatement a lot]]'' (like [[spoiler: having to cut his/her Force connection because he/she felt ''the deaths of everyone'' in Malachor V and then being unjustly exiled by the Jedi Order]]). [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation It does put a different light on their descent to darkness]].
--> '''Moza''': Forgive me, Chodo, but the human - I could feel his/her suffering. I did not feel it until he stood before us, but then it filled my senses. Have you ever felt such an intensity before.\\
'''Chodo Habat:''' Only once. The day I came to Telos and strode upon its ashen surface.\\
'''Moza:''' It's a planet's worth of pain. I don't know how he/she endures.\\
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* Malachor, the final world of ''{{Knights of the Old Republic}} II'', is incredibly emotionally affecting - it feels like the last echo of the World.
** Kreia stating that in the Exile's memories, they can no longer picture the beautiful world Malachor was before they dropped the superweapon on it, instead, it's always the desolate landscape that they caused.
* The possible HeroicSacrifice of [[spoiler:Visas Marr]] would count as a TearJerker. If it wasn't the player's choice to do so. [[YouBastard You monster]].
** The intended version would have been much, much worse, with the Exile's companions confronting [[spoiler:Kreia]] on their own only to be beaten down and imprisoned in order to force the Exile to choose between freeing them and making the final boss fight harder, or allowing them to die for an easier boss fight. Meanwhile, Atton manages to escape capture only to sacrifice himself in a one-on-one battle with Darth Sion - and if he loses, Sion tortures him and leaves him, broken and dying, for the Exile to find. The audio file for Atton's death exists in the game's files, and it is ''heart-rending.''
---> '''Atton:''' Hurts... when I laugh...
*** Considering Atton's back story as a [[spoiler:former Sith assassin]], dying for fighting a Sith Lord could also be interpreted as a RedemptionEqualsDeath moment, especially if he has been turned to the Light Side via the Exile's influence.
** Seeing [[spoiler:Remote being destroyed.]] It's so sad to see [[spoiler:Bao-Dur losing his best friend.]] It's even worse since it has been confirmed that Droids have no afterlife.
*** Although it ''is'' possible that [[spoiler: Remote doesn't die.]] Nonetheless it's still crushing that [[spoiler: Bao-Dur's future is never revealed. Made even worse given that Kreia embellishes on the future of everyone else.]]
* [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnD95TDIsAc The music in the Jedi Enclave.]] And the visuals of what happened to the place sure didn't help.
** There's also Kreia, moving to the benches. She has, from Peragus, projected the image of a cold and aloof mentor figure. She hid all of her pain from losing her hand on the Harbinger. Even discounting GameplayAndStorySegregation, she has fought alongside the Exile without protest and with the capabilities of the younger and more able-bodied crew. And then suddenly, she is unequivocally presented as bone-weary and old - you can feel every year she has and then some as she makes to sit down. It doubles when you remember that, after her hand was cut off, Atton tells the Exile that she seemed to not want to display any sign of weakness around the Exile, and then allows them to see this...
* A meta example: LucasArts rushed the game for Christmas, causing Obsidian to leave out a lot of content. But when Obsidian offered to restore it all with a patch, ''[[KickTheDog LucasArts refused to allow them to make it!]]'' The lost content includes cut dialog, the CrowningMomentOfAwesome that is the HK factory, a HUGE amount of the final mission, and interactions between Exile and his/her teammates. That LucasArts could so callously kick Obsidian like this makes me feel really down...
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** Kreia stating that in the Exile's memories, they can no longer picture the beautiful world Malachor was before they dropped the superweapon on it, instead, it's always the desolate landscape that they caused.
* The possible HeroicSacrifice of [[spoiler:Visas Marr]] would count as a TearJerker. If it wasn't the player's choice to do so. [[YouBastard You monster]].
** The intended version would have been much, much worse, with the Exile's companions confronting [[spoiler:Kreia]] on their own only to be beaten down and imprisoned in order to force the Exile to choose between freeing them and making the final boss fight harder, or allowing them to die for an easier boss fight. Meanwhile, Atton manages to escape capture only to sacrifice himself in a one-on-one battle with Darth Sion - and if he loses, Sion tortures him and leaves him, broken and dying, for the Exile to find. The audio file for Atton's death exists in the game's files, and it is ''heart-rending.''
---> '''Atton:''' Hurts... when I laugh...
*** Considering Atton's back story as a [[spoiler:former Sith assassin]], dying for fighting a Sith Lord could also be interpreted as a RedemptionEqualsDeath moment, especially if he has been turned to the Light Side via the Exile's influence.
** Seeing [[spoiler:Remote being destroyed.]] It's so sad to see [[spoiler:Bao-Dur losing his best friend.]] It's even worse since it has been confirmed that Droids have no afterlife.
*** Although it ''is'' possible that [[spoiler: Remote doesn't die.]] Nonetheless it's still crushing that [[spoiler: Bao-Dur's future is never revealed. Made even worse given that Kreia embellishes on the future of everyone else.]]
* [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnD95TDIsAc The music in the Jedi Enclave.]] And the visuals of what happened to the place sure didn't help.
** There's also Kreia, moving to the benches. She has, from Peragus, projected the image of a cold and aloof mentor figure. She hid all of her pain from losing her hand on the Harbinger. Even discounting GameplayAndStorySegregation, she has fought alongside the Exile without protest and with the capabilities of the younger and more able-bodied crew. And then suddenly, she is unequivocally presented as bone-weary and old - you can feel every year she has and then some as she makes to sit down. It doubles when you remember that, after her hand was cut off, Atton tells the Exile that she seemed to not want to display any sign of weakness around the Exile, and then allows them to see this...
* A meta example: LucasArts rushed the game for Christmas, causing Obsidian to leave out a lot of content. But when Obsidian offered to restore it all with a patch, ''[[KickTheDog LucasArts refused to allow them to make it!]]'' The lost content includes cut dialog, the CrowningMomentOfAwesome that is the HK factory, a HUGE amount of the final mission, and interactions between Exile and his/her teammates. That LucasArts could so callously kick Obsidian like this makes me feel really down...
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