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* AncientConspiracy: Vampires in general play this role to humanity. There is also multiple conspiracies within their own society.

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* AncientConspiracy: Vampires in general play this role to humanity. There is are also multiple conspiracies within their own society.
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** Its played pretty straight for the Tzimiszce, the Followers of Set, the Sabbat and to a lesser extent the Lasombra, all of which basically idolise this trope.

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** Its It's played pretty straight for the Tzimiszce, the Followers of Set, the Sabbat and to a lesser extent the Lasombra, all of which basically idolise this trope.
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The tabletop roleplaying game that started the TabletopGame/OldWorldOfDarkness line. Subverted many tropes of roleplaying games from that time by making monsters into the player characters (as opposed to heroes who hunt them) and installing a KarmaMeter that makes violence a dubious solution in many situations. In this game, players take the roles of vampires (aka the Kindred, aka the Damned), undead beings gifted with eternal (un)life and superhuman power, but forced to endure such drawbacks as compulsive bloodlust, poor impulse control, danger of degenerating into a mindless monster by committing too many evil acts, weakness to sunlight, and being bitches of older and more powerful vampires. The common ways to spend your unlife in this game include angsting over your condition, engaging in political intrigues and games of status within the vampire society and kicking ass with your newfound superpowers (called Disciplines).

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The tabletop roleplaying game that started the TabletopGame/OldWorldOfDarkness line. Subverted many tropes of roleplaying games from that time by making monsters into the player characters monsters (as opposed to heroes who hunt them) and installing a KarmaMeter that makes violence a dubious solution in many situations. In this game, players take the roles of vampires (aka the Kindred, aka the Damned), undead beings gifted with eternal (un)life and superhuman power, but forced to endure such drawbacks as compulsive bloodlust, poor impulse control, danger of degenerating into a mindless monster by committing too many evil acts, weakness to sunlight, and being bitches of older and more powerful vampires. The common ways to spend your unlife in this game include angsting over your condition, engaging in political intrigues and games of status within the vampire society and kicking ass with your newfound superpowers (called Disciplines).
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A tabletop roleplaying game that started TabletopGame/OldWorldOfDarkness line. Subverted many tropes of roleplaying games from that time by making monsters into the player characters (as opposed to heroes who hunt them) and installing a KarmaMeter that makes violence a dubious solution in many situations. In this game, players take the roles of vampires (aka the Kindred, aka the Damned), undead beings gifted with eternal (un)life and superhuman power, but forced to endure such drawbacks as compulsive bloodlust, poor impulse control, danger of degenerating into a mindless monster by committing too many evil acts, weakness to sunlight, and being bitches of older and more powerful vampires. The common ways to spend your unlife in this game include angsting over your condition, engaging in political intrigues and games of status within the vampire society and kicking ass with your newfound superpowers (called Disciplines).

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A The tabletop roleplaying game that started the TabletopGame/OldWorldOfDarkness line. Subverted many tropes of roleplaying games from that time by making monsters into the player characters (as opposed to heroes who hunt them) and installing a KarmaMeter that makes violence a dubious solution in many situations. In this game, players take the roles of vampires (aka the Kindred, aka the Damned), undead beings gifted with eternal (un)life and superhuman power, but forced to endure such drawbacks as compulsive bloodlust, poor impulse control, danger of degenerating into a mindless monster by committing too many evil acts, weakness to sunlight, and being bitches of older and more powerful vampires. The common ways to spend your unlife in this game include angsting over your condition, engaging in political intrigues and games of status within the vampire society and kicking ass with your newfound superpowers (called Disciplines).
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A tabletop roleplaying game that started TheWorldOfDarkness line. Subverted many tropes of roleplaying games from that time by making monsters into the player characters (as opposed to heroes who hunt them) and installing a KarmaMeter that makes violence a dubious solution in many situations. In this game, players take the roles of vampires (aka the Kindred, aka the Damned), undead beings gifted with eternal (un)life and superhuman power, but forced to endure such drawbacks as compulsive bloodlust, poor impulse control, danger of degenerating into a mindless monster by committing too many evil acts, weakness to sunlight, and being bitches of older and more powerful vampires. The common ways to spend your unlife in this game include angsting over your condition, engaging in political intrigues and games of status within the vampire society and kicking ass with your newfound superpowers (called Disciplines).

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A tabletop roleplaying game that started TheWorldOfDarkness TabletopGame/OldWorldOfDarkness line. Subverted many tropes of roleplaying games from that time by making monsters into the player characters (as opposed to heroes who hunt them) and installing a KarmaMeter that makes violence a dubious solution in many situations. In this game, players take the roles of vampires (aka the Kindred, aka the Damned), undead beings gifted with eternal (un)life and superhuman power, but forced to endure such drawbacks as compulsive bloodlust, poor impulse control, danger of degenerating into a mindless monster by committing too many evil acts, weakness to sunlight, and being bitches of older and more powerful vampires. The common ways to spend your unlife in this game include angsting over your condition, engaging in political intrigues and games of status within the vampire society and kicking ass with your newfound superpowers (called Disciplines).



Recently, Crowd Control Productions, makers of EVEOnline, announced that their upcoming WorldOfDarkness MMO will start off centered on ''Vampire: The Masquerade,'' rather than the new WorldOfDarkness and ''Vampire: Requiem.'' White Wolf (now a CCP subsidiary) has released a "20th Anniversary Edition" of the rulebook, and will be releasing other "Classic" World of Darkness titles, though they have said they will not be updating the metaplot.

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Recently, Crowd Control Productions, makers of EVEOnline, announced that their upcoming WorldOfDarkness TabletopGame/OldWorldOfDarkness MMO will start off centered on ''Vampire: The Masquerade,'' rather than the new WorldOfDarkness TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness and ''Vampire: Requiem.'' White Wolf (now a CCP subsidiary) has released a "20th Anniversary Edition" of the rulebook, and will be releasing other "Classic" World of Darkness titles, though they have said they will not be updating the metaplot.



** Rasputin's origin was deliberately muddled for a MetaPlot that never took off - various WorldOfDarkness books describe him as a mage, werecreature, and at least three different vampires. The idea was that Rasputin was a powerful alchemist and Ventrue ghoul who mastered mystical blood magic and distilled the blood of all his vampire allies into the Blood of Caine. Ingesting it caused him to become a "clone" of Caine - with the powers and attributes of all vampires - who would show up as the BigBad of a Gehenna scenario where killing Rasputin would prevent Gehenna because the universe would be fooled into thinking Caine died. Since it was a relatively happy ending for the game ([[TrueArtIsAngsty and God forbid that]]), White Wolf rejected it and Rasputin remained in limbo.

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** Rasputin's origin was deliberately muddled for a MetaPlot that never took off - -- various WorldOfDarkness TabletopGame/OldWorldOfDarkness books describe him as a mage, werecreature, and at least three different vampires. The idea was that Rasputin was a powerful alchemist and Ventrue ghoul who mastered mystical blood magic and distilled the blood of all his vampire allies into the Blood of Caine. Ingesting it caused him to become a "clone" of Caine - with the powers and attributes of all vampires - who would show up as the BigBad of a Gehenna scenario where killing Rasputin would prevent Gehenna because the universe would be fooled into thinking Caine died. Since it was a relatively happy ending for the game ([[TrueArtIsAngsty and God forbid that]]), White Wolf rejected it and Rasputin remained in limbo.
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* WhamEpisode: The Week of Nightmares, depicted at the end of the Time of Thin Blood book. The Ravnos Antidiluvian wakes up and goes on a rampage in Bangladesh, causing the entire Ravnos clan go insane for a week, trying to kill each other and anyone else around, spitting out dangerous illusions. The three most powerful Eastern vampires try to stop him, conjuring a hurricane to block out the Sun. The hurricane prevents the [[TabletopGame/MageTheAscension Technocracy]] from using their orbital mirrors, so they launch a dual-plane (Skinland/Shadowland-affecting) nuclear weapon. It kills the Kuei-jin and hurts Ravnos. The hurricane dissipates and the Technocracy hits Ravnos with their mirrors of doom, which may not have worked if the Kuei-jin and the nuke hadn't hurt him first. In the wake an entire clan is near dead, the Antidiluvians are clearly real and other consequences reverberate [[TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse across]] [[TabletopGame/MageTheAscension all]] [[ChangelingTheDreaming the]] [[HunterTheReckoning other]] [[DemonTheFallen games]].

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* WhamEpisode: The Week of Nightmares, depicted at the end of the Time of Thin Blood book. The Ravnos Antidiluvian wakes up and goes on a rampage in Bangladesh, causing the entire Ravnos clan go insane for a week, trying to kill each other and anyone else around, spitting out dangerous illusions. The three most powerful Eastern vampires try to stop him, conjuring a hurricane to block out the Sun. The hurricane prevents the [[TabletopGame/MageTheAscension Technocracy]] from using their orbital mirrors, so they launch a dual-plane (Skinland/Shadowland-affecting) nuclear weapon. It kills the Kuei-jin and hurts Ravnos. The hurricane dissipates and the Technocracy hits Ravnos with their mirrors of doom, which may not have worked if the Kuei-jin and the nuke hadn't hurt him first. In the wake an entire clan is near dead, the Antidiluvians are clearly real and other consequences reverberate [[TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse across]] [[TabletopGame/MageTheAscension all]] [[ChangelingTheDreaming the]] [[HunterTheReckoning other]] [[DemonTheFallen [[TabletopGame/DemonTheFallen games]].
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* RealMenWearPink: The Brujah ''antitribu'' wear purple on their clothes as a sign of clan affiliation. Mind, they are generally considered Sabbat's shock troops [[spoiler: but also actively recruit Camarilla's and Anarchs' lost youth into their sect]].

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* RealMenWearPink: The Brujah ''antitribu'' wear purple on their clothes as a sign of clan affiliation. Mind, they are generally considered Sabbat's shock troops [[spoiler: but also actively recruit Camarilla's and Anarchs' lost youth into their sect]]. Badass indeed.
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* RealMenWearPink: The Brujah ''antitribu'' wear purple on their clothes as a sign of clan affiliation. Mind, they are generally considered Sabbat's shock troops [[spoiler: but also actively recruit Camarilla's and Anarchs' lost youth into their sect]].
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***** Well, not the werewolf/vampires. They have nothing to do with sex, they are just [[WerewolfTheApocalypse Garou]] who had the misfortune to be Embraced. As for half-humans, that's a result of Thin-Bloods, who are more human in many other ways as well.
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** Also Caine himself. The Book of Nod reveals that he was offered forgiveness and release from his curse by God three times and each time refused because doing so meant submitting to another's will. There are even hints that that offer is still open, that Caine could redeem himself and all other vampires at any time but still refuses to accept forgiveness until God asks him for forgiveness first.
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**** And a a few other Antediluvians are confirmed dead in the Gehenna sourcebook as well. [[spoiler:Ventrue was murdered, probably by Lasombra, as he left the First City. Lasombra, Malkav and Set are all bodily dead but still around in various spritual ways and may or may not be able to return. Troile (the Brujah Antediluvian) was diablerised a long time ago. But the ones that are left are still quite enough to cause TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt.]]

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**** And a a few other Antediluvians are confirmed dead in the Gehenna sourcebook as well. [[spoiler:Ventrue was murdered, probably by Lasombra, as he left the First City. Lasombra, Malkav and Set are all bodily dead but still around in various spritual ways and may or may not be able to return. Troile (the Brujah Antediluvian) was diablerised a long time ago. But the ones that are left are still quite enough to cause TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt.]]

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** Make that 12. The awakening of an Antediluvian is detailed in one sourcebook. It was a fight from almost the very moment he woke up and lasted a whole week, resulting in the destruction of: 2 ancient [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Asian]] [[GameBreaker vampires]], a significant portion of the population of the Middle East, a massive corner of the lands of the dead, most werecreatures in the general global neighborhood, and the ENTIRETY of said Antediluvian's clan. Everything but the last item on that list was caused by the fight between the founder and the forces attempting to contain him, but the last was all the work of the founder himself. [[OmnicidalManiac He needed to break things, he was hungry, and his kids had a handy leash tethered to his very essence]]. Many people noticed and were affected by this event. There are rumors that some Ravnos managed to survive, but if there are, they are probably in hiding to keep the rest of the supernatural community from gutting them out of anger for what their Antediluvian did.
*** The Salubri Antediluvian is dead too, his soul was consumed by Diablerie by Tremere to found the clan of the same name... Or so he thinks, it's hinted that Saulot's soul still sleeps within his body and is biding its time.

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** Make that 12. The awakening of an Antediluvian is detailed in one sourcebook. It was a fight from almost the very moment he woke up and lasted a whole week, resulting in the destruction of: 2 ancient [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Asian]] [[GameBreaker vampires]], a significant portion of the population of the Middle East, a massive corner of the lands of the dead, most werecreatures in the general global neighborhood, and the ENTIRETY of said Antediluvian's clan. Everything but the last item on that list was caused by the fight between the founder and the forces attempting to contain him, but the last was all the work of the founder himself. [[OmnicidalManiac He needed to break things, he was hungry, and his kids had a handy leash tethered to his very essence]]. Many people noticed and were affected by this event. There are rumors that some Some 100 or so Ravnos managed to survive, survive but if there are, they are probably often in hiding to keep the rest of the supernatural community from gutting them out of anger for what their Antediluvian did.
*** The Salubri Antediluvian is dead too, his soul was consumed by Diablerie by Tremere to found the clan of the same name... Or so he thinks, it's hinted that Saulot's soul still sleeps within his body and is biding its time. time.
**** And a a few other Antediluvians are confirmed dead in the Gehenna sourcebook as well. [[spoiler:Ventrue was murdered, probably by Lasombra, as he left the First City. Lasombra, Malkav and Set are all bodily dead but still around in various spritual ways and may or may not be able to return. Troile (the Brujah Antediluvian) was diablerised a long time ago. But the ones that are left are still quite enough to cause TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt.]]
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The anarchs in charge tend to be far less organized than the Camarilla, so they are not so similar to what they are opposing in the end. But they are far from as much better than the Camarilla as they claim, hence this trope.


* The Anarchs: Formally a Camarilla sub-sect, this sect is home to a great amount of younger vampires who reject the rule of elders that the main Camarilla body supports, and wish to see an equal vampire society where all vampires are equal or at least judged by merit rather than age. They tend to be composed mainly of younger vampires from all clans who don't like being treated like dirt by their elders. [[MeetTheNewBoss They're not very good at practicing what they preach.]]

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* The Anarchs: Formally a Camarilla sub-sect, this sect is home to a great amount of younger vampires who reject the rule of elders that the main Camarilla body supports, and wish to see an equal vampire society where all vampires are equal or at least judged by merit rather than age. They tend to be composed mainly of younger vampires from all clans who don't like being treated like dirt by their elders. [[MeetTheNewBoss [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized They're not very good at practicing what they preach.]]
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** Unless they have the Eat Food merit, which does allow them to taste the food in addition to not having the food turn to ash in their mouth.

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* SocietyMarchesOn: The entire setting ended in 2004, one year before {{YouTube}} came alive. In the Caramilla sourcebook it stated that the Masquerade was becoming more and more difficult to uphold (a real concern for the elders and the creation of a more draconian watch force) because our society was a vouyerist with internation instantaneous devices at the hand of the humans... know think about this and compare with the day today where is weird not have a cell with internet, iphone, amateur video pages and reality shows. Or hell, 2008 to get the idea how long it would have lasted.

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* SocietyMarchesOn: The entire setting ended in 2004, one year before {{YouTube}} came alive. In the Caramilla sourcebook it stated that the Masquerade was becoming more and more difficult to uphold (a real concern for the elders and the creation of a more draconian watch force) because our society was a vouyerist with internation instantaneous devices at the hand of the humans... know think about this and compare with the day today where is weird not have a cell with internet, iphone, amateur video pages and reality shows. Or hell, 2008 to get the idea how long it would have lasted.lasted.
** The 20th Anniversary edition updates the setting to the 2010s, with all the potential that implies. The artwork vampire in the Giovanni section even has a smartphone in hand.

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** It should be noted, that the first edition didn't really hold this viewpoint. Example Malkavian from the first setting book published, Chicago By Night, mostly were dangerous psychopaths. This troper heavily suspects that "wacky Malk" stereotype (with various degrees of wackiness, of course) got so prominent, despite appearing mostly in their original clanbook, because it is more fun in actual play that a realistic portrayal of a mentally ill person.
*** Every once in a while you do get someone who plays a wacky Malk and then proceeds to explore the more serious consequences of things like lack of inhibition/impulse control... but don't hold your breath.

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** It should be noted, that the first edition didn't really hold this viewpoint. Example Malkavian from the first setting book published, Chicago By Night, mostly were dangerous psychopaths. This troper heavily suspects that "wacky Malk" stereotype (with various degrees of wackiness, of course) got so prominent, despite appearing mostly in their original clanbook, because it is more fun in actual play that a realistic portrayal of a mentally ill person.
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Every once in a while you do get someone who plays a wacky Malk and then proceeds to explore the more serious consequences of things like lack of inhibition/impulse control... but don't hold your breath.
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*** The Salubri Antidulvian is dead too, his soul was consumed by Dialberie by Tremere to found the clan of the same name...Or so he thinks, its hinted that Saluot's soul still sleeps within his body and is biding its time.

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*** The Salubri Antidulvian Antediluvian is dead too, his soul was consumed by Dialberie Diablerie by Tremere to found the clan of the same name...name... Or so he thinks, its it's hinted that Saluot's Saulot's soul still sleeps within his body and is biding its time.
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* VampireMonarch: Caine, though he's not particularly interesting in ruling his vampiric descendants. That task falls to the Antediluvians

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* VampireMonarch: Caine, though he's not particularly interesting in ruling his vampiric descendants. That task falls to the Antediluvians
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* True Black Hand: Another sub-sect to the Sabbat and the ones who essentially bring it order and structure from within, while primarily concerning themselves with the return of the Antediluveans.
* The Anarchs: Formally a Camarilla sub-sect, this sect is home to a great amount of younger vampires who reject the rule of elders that the main Camarilla body supports, and wish to see an equal vampire society where all vampires are equal or at least judged by merit rather than age. They tend to be composed mainly of younger vampires from all clans who don't like being treated like dirt by their elders.

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* True Black Hand: Another sub-sect to the Sabbat and the ones who essentially bring it order and structure from within, while primarily concerning themselves with the return of the Antediluveans.
Antediluveans. More or less wiped out during the Revised Edition changes to the metaplot (in order to cancel out some particularly stupid plot revelations in Second Edition).
* The Anarchs: Formally a Camarilla sub-sect, this sect is home to a great amount of younger vampires who reject the rule of elders that the main Camarilla body supports, and wish to see an equal vampire society where all vampires are equal or at least judged by merit rather than age. They tend to be composed mainly of younger vampires from all clans who don't like being treated like dirt by their elders. [[MeetTheNewBoss They're not very good at practicing what they preach.]]



*** The Saluot Antidulvian is dead too, his soul was consumed by Dialberie by Tremere to found the clan of the same name...Or so he thinks, its hinted that Saluot's soul still sleeps within his body and is biding its time.

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*** The Saluot Salubri Antidulvian is dead too, his soul was consumed by Dialberie by Tremere to found the clan of the same name...Or so he thinks, its hinted that Saluot's soul still sleeps within his body and is biding its time.
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Jeanette is from the computer game; this page\'s about the tabletop game.


* DangerouslyShortSkirt: Jeanette Voerman, but she isn't an ActionGirl.
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**** Oddly enough, it's mentioned that half-human/half-vampires and even vampire/werewolf hybrids ''are'' possible in the games, so that just makes it ''more'' confusing.
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* BewareTheNiceOnes: Tremere (the clan founder, not the clan) decided to gain the power of an Antediluvian and establish his followers as a full-fledged clan by [[spoiler:consuming the soul of Saulot, founder of the most pacifist vampires in the setting]]. Maybe he should have kept researching and noted that [[spoiler:Saulot also founded the uber-evil Baali]].
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* DangerouslyShortSkirt: Jeanette Voerman.

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* PowerParasite: Diablerie, which involves [[CannibalismSuperpower eating the soul of someone]] if you want to get their powers. It's a ''serious'' crime, even for vampires of this setting.

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* BeethovenWasAnAlienSpy: And Cain was the first vampire (spelled Caine when referring to him as a vampire). Many modern-day vampires think that this is a myth. They are wrong. Many other people from history and mythology were/are vampires too, from Helen of Troy to Rasputin.

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* BeethovenWasAnAlienSpy: And Cain was [[MonsterProgenitor the first vampire vampire]] (spelled Caine when referring to him as a vampire). Many modern-day vampires think that this is a myth. They are wrong. Many other people from history and mythology were/are vampires too, from Helen of Troy to Rasputin.


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* MonsterProgenitor: Cain is the first Vampire.
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*** The Cappidocian Antidulvian is dead too, killed by Mages using a powerful ritual to convert themselves into Vampires which gave birth to Clan Tremere (The Cappidocians are still alive if you play in the middle ages though). It took a LOT of effort and magical power to pull off, and it only was possible because the guy was torpored at the time.

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*** The Cappidocian Saluot Antidulvian is dead too, killed his soul was consumed by Mages using a powerful ritual to convert themselves into Vampires which gave birth to Clan Dialberie by Tremere (The Cappidocians are to found the clan of the same name...Or so he thinks, its hinted that Saluot's soul still alive if you play in the middle ages though). It took a LOT of effort sleeps within his body and magical power to pull off, and it only was possible because the guy was torpored at the is biding its time.

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** Make that 12. The awakening of an Antediluvian is detailed in one sourcebook. It was a fight from almost the very moment he woke up and lasted a whole week, resulting in the destruction of: 2 ancient [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Asian]] [[GameBreaker vampires]], a significant portion of the population of the Middle East, a massive corner of the lands of the dead, most werecreatures in the general global neighborhood, and the ENTIRETY of said Antediluvian's clan. Everything but the last item on that list was caused by the fight between the founder and the forces attempting to contain him, but the last was all the work of the founder himself. [[OmnicidalManiac He needed to break things, he was hungry, and his kids had a handy leash tethered to his very essence]]. Many people noticed and were affected by this event.

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** Make that 12. The awakening of an Antediluvian is detailed in one sourcebook. It was a fight from almost the very moment he woke up and lasted a whole week, resulting in the destruction of: 2 ancient [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Asian]] [[GameBreaker vampires]], a significant portion of the population of the Middle East, a massive corner of the lands of the dead, most werecreatures in the general global neighborhood, and the ENTIRETY of said Antediluvian's clan. Everything but the last item on that list was caused by the fight between the founder and the forces attempting to contain him, but the last was all the work of the founder himself. [[OmnicidalManiac He needed to break things, he was hungry, and his kids had a handy leash tethered to his very essence]]. Many people noticed and were affected by this event. There are rumors that some Ravnos managed to survive, but if there are, they are probably in hiding to keep the rest of the supernatural community from gutting them out of anger for what their Antediluvian did.
*** The Cappidocian Antidulvian is dead too, killed by Mages using a powerful ritual to convert themselves into Vampires which gave birth to Clan Tremere (The Cappidocians are still alive if you play in the middle ages though). It took a LOT of effort and magical power to pull off, and it only was possible because the guy was torpored at the time.
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** Just to clarify, the 13 Antediluvians are going to bring about the end of the world. It took the entire Technocracy, a tactical nuclear strike, 3 of the most powerful Eastern Vampires (Kuei-Jin) EVER, and a Desperation Move of calling down the light of three suns to kill one of these...ONE. It took all 13 to kill the 3 members of the second generation...Caine, has the first vampire, is stronger then all of those combined. Plus if you smack him one, freaking GOD hits you seven times. And yet, there are STILL people who think he can be slain. The Antidiluvians have lost members over time, so its REMOTELY possible to kill them and avert Gehanna (Which the Sabbat are trying to do, albeit usually pretty ineffectively, and if you follow the fluff, they fail utterly and the world still ends), but Caine is about the closest thing you get to God without being face to face with the big man himself. [[VampireTheMasqueradeBloodlines Just be grateful the guy sicks to driving around in a taxi most of the time]]

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